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 on: Today at 01:28:25 PM 
Started by GhostyTMRS - Last post by GhostyTMRS
ESQ's David Beard joined me for the first part of a multi-part discussion about SMiLE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxTqJ7X__BY

Good interview. Thanks for sharing. Can't wait for part 2!

Thanks so much! 

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 on: Today at 01:11:28 PM 
Started by Silken - Last post by the captain
Hi, Silken, glad to see you over here.

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 on: Today at 12:53:21 PM 
Started by Rick5150 - Last post by urbanite
For Mike to be successful as a songwriter these days, he would need a partner that would be blunt with him and push him to write at a higher level.  Brian Wilson is not that person.  At his age and in light of his prior statements, I doubt Mike is motivated to spend the time necessary to craft a song that works on a creative level. 

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 on: Today at 12:13:21 PM 
Started by Silken - Last post by ♩♬☮ Bugs The Bunny ♯♫♩☮
Welcome to the board!

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 on: Today at 11:28:58 AM 
Started by Silken - Last post by Silken
Hi everyone!
I tried to register here several times and I finally made it! I'm a new fan and in the last year or so that I spent lurking I learned A LOT (and I've also had some fun) so thanks for that. I hope to spend a good time here  Smiley
Bye for now!

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 on: Today at 11:15:53 AM 
Started by Jason - Last post by ♩♬☮ Bugs The Bunny ♯♫♩☮
Saw it...approved.

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 on: Today at 09:50:40 AM 
Started by Rick5150 - Last post by Rick5150
Quote from: rab2591
But for these guys to pretend they're surfin in their 70s is ridiculous...which half the fans don't buy anyways, even if it does fit the band's image.

Yeah, even if they sing the surfing songs about someone else rather than themselves, it tends to fall flat (Still Surfin'). I feel for these guys though. As we get older, we are expected to act our age otherwise we look ridiculous. I went to college when I was 49-52 years old - and talk about standing out! I would be talking to a much younger classmate as we walked through the halls and I would not think twice about it, until I caught my reflection in a vending machine glass and it put things into perspective. Damn, even if we feel young on the inside and are young at heart we are judged by appearance. Now, I am 55 years old this year and I still act like a 7-year-old.  But it is way more fun than sitting at a table with people my age acting like geezers discussing their medical problems.  Cheesy

I think that in some ways, the advent of the music video hurt bands like The Beach Boys. Keeping in mind that they never looked particularly comfortable in music videos. Likewise, I can remember watching a Cars concert before Benjamin Orr died, and hearing him sing Let's Go and it sounded fine, but was creepy with the visual. This old dude singing about a 17 year old girl who doesn't wear her shoes. It is true what you say, but it is too bad it has to be like that. If the music is good, it should stand alone without the image of the band/person singing it muddying up everything.

Alas, everything is visual nowadays. I cannot look at the news on my computer without a video popping up. If I wanted to watch the news, I have a huge television for that. I just want to read - but I am afraid that will soon meet the fate that schools gave when they started dropping cursive writing. But I digress...

Quote from: rab2591
Mike would have to be open to all of Brian's quirky ideas.
Don't you think Mike would have learned by now, that is what makes Brian so endearing.  Grin Many of his quirky ideas are successful. I don't expect Brian and Mike to be a hit machine nowadays, but I think that they may be capable of writing some interesting stuff. Like you alluded to, the deep, honest music appeals to the hardcore fans and if they have some catchy tunes, people buying the album for that style will be introduced to what real heartfelt, introspective music sounds like. There is room for both. Oh, and more Al vocals too.

Quote from: rab2591
(Mike actually made an appearance in a music video of a female singer who did a nostalgic Beach Boys-esque song, I don't think it went too far.
Probably because everyone was thinking, this is a great video, except for that old "Uncle Mike" dude. Geez, that song does owe a lot to the Beach Boys from the You're So Good To Me riff, to the song references to California Girls, Good Vibrations, Don't Worry Baby and God Only Knows...

Quote from: rab2591
This post is all over the place and I apologize haha. Thanks for your well thought out response to my post and I'll be back later for more discussion. I really do hope these guys regain prolific status in their latter years, they deserve it, and I know they have it in them to stand on top one more time.
Intelligent posts and discussions like this are what keep me here. Thanks for that.

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 on: Today at 08:43:03 AM 
Started by Rick5150 - Last post by rab2591
Yeah, that album is weak for certain. The singing all around does not sound terribly ambitious to me, although there are a few pleasant moments. It came off as a lazy contribution. Forever and Surfin' did not have to be remade at all. With that said, I am not certain that an album with the 'fun in the sun' theme would not work. Just not the selections that were on 'Summer In Paradise'. The idea I posed was to have other outside writers (or even a contest where other people) write Beach Boys style songs and Mike's band did all the work. Mike would only have to co-write and sing. It is basically what Brian did for the band anyways.

TWGMTR had somewhat (if not mostly) a "fun-in-the-sun" theme and it made it to #3 on Billboard...which is a huge accomplishment. I concede that fun-in-the-sun does work for success, but I guess my point is that the life-suite is the part that will be best remembered (edit, to clarify I mean out of all their modern day work the life suite will be remembered best. Their early stuff will always be what people will hear first). I heard the title song from TWGMTR on my local rock station a couple times, but what stands out are those final 3 songs (and I no longer hear the title song on the radio anymore). That Life Suite will be a Pet Sounds moment for casual fans who delve into the catalog years down the road. The fun-in-the-sun nature of TWGMTR doesn't have the potential of making these guys prolific in the longterm - but the heartfelt songs at the end do have that potential.

I can see how fun-in-the-sun would work if Mike were to write a song about a day at the beach in his old age, sitting on a blanket watching the waves crash and the wind breeze by while he thinks about the beauty of the world....could work well with your S Crow 'Soak up the Sun' idea. But for these guys to pretend they're surfin in their 70s is ridiculous...which half the fans don't buy anyways, even if it does fit the band's image.

I guess to better clarify my point regarding your initially posted question: in order for Mike to be a modern prolific writer (as I think he has solidified his status as an integral part of being a successful writer for the band in the early days), he (and the rest of the actual band) need to follow the Johnny Cash route. And, just my opinion but he could not do this without Brian Wilson or the Beach Boys name. And I don't think he could do this with his current band, or to sound less offensive: to achieve prolific status again these guys need to get down to the bare bones of honesty when it comes to writing and to the instrumentals they make....which means they need to drop the lyric cliches and stereotypical backing tracks.

Honestly at this point in their lives I don't think such a thing is possible. Brian, deep down, is obsessed with moog and rock (and you can hear this in his soundchecks from time to time when he's really into it), and that honesty is what his fans clamor for. Deep down I know Mike has it in him to write some amazing lyrics, but I wonder if he'd be open to Brian recording with a fuckin moog at full blast. But this is where an amazing producer comes in: A producer with the balls to step between these guys and the management and just find a way to pull that magic out of the hat again.

The absolute only way I see Mike gaining modern day prolific status is if a damn good producer were to bring (whats left of) the original Beach Boys together. A producer that would walk the tight-rope between feuding band-mates, feuding ideas, feuding managers, etc, and walk across with a beautiful album in-tact. Mike would have to understand that his genuine songwriting from the Sunflower era would need to be restored. The work in "the room" would have to somehow be made possible. Mike would have to be open to all of Brian's quirky ideas.

On a side note. I think your idea about Mike working with modern day songwriters in is a good idea. Brian kinda did this during his promotional campaign surrounding NPP: he did a lot of work with indie bands for Capitol, and all of it is damn good - Mini Mansions "Any Emotion" is a perfect example of a member of the Beach Boys working with a young band. It's somewhat along the lines of your idea, though with Mike more involved from a writing aspect I can see any project turning out well as long the subject didn't get bogged down with sunny nostalgia (Mike actually made an appearance in a music video of a female singer who did a nostalgic Beach Boys-esque song, I don't think it went too far. But I don't think his involvement went further than making an appearance in a video).

This post is all over the place and I apologize haha. Thanks for your well thought out response to my post and I'll be back later for more discussion. I really do hope these guys regain prolific status in their latter years, they deserve it, and I know they have it in them to stand on top one more time.

Forgot to answer your last question: Had it been solely Brian's name on TWGMTR, it would've charted high, but not as high as with the Beach Boys name (I'd guess, since TLOS hit 21 I think, that TWGMTR would've hit around 10-15?). That Beach Boys name still carries with it a ton of momentum.

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 on: Today at 08:38:30 AM 
Started by GhostyTMRS - Last post by zosobird
ESQ's David Beard joined me for the first part of a multi-part discussion about SMiLE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxTqJ7X__BY

Good interview. Thanks for sharing. Can't wait for part 2!

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 on: Today at 08:05:57 AM 
Started by Rocky Raccoon - Last post by Steve Latshaw

<<Why not use a beautiful Ed Roach photo for the package?
Seems to be a no brainer.>>

Because they are using beautiful Dean Torrence photos for the package.  Dean did the album design for this new release, just as he did for Pacific Ocean Blue, back in the day, and I can't wait to see it.
 

 
   
 

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