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I have to laugh. We accuse and call band members all kinds of stuff without them being here to defend themselves, but boy, have someone do the same against board members and wow, does the fur stand on end.

What the..? I'd frown on band members being called "sociopaths" as much as I do when such terms are applied to board members. Who wouldn't? Do you read that stuff before you post it?

We need to take what we dish out.

Exactly. But I didn't call anyone a *sigh* sociopath. Neither do the majority of people who post here. That argument just collapsed in itself.

I have to laugh. We accuse and call band members all kinds of stuff without them being here to defend themselves, but boy, have someone do the same against board members and wow, does the fur stand on end. We need to take what we dish out.

You said it. The internet is serious business.

The Stamos hatred is centered around a bunch of sociopaths in the pro-Brian camp who think Stamos is little more than a cheerleader. However, unlike many of the myriad guests who randomly show up on both Beach Boys and Brian solo recordings, Stamos actually IS a fan of the group and a huge one at that. I'll take him over the Johnny-come-lately poseurs.

Separate the fans who may have issues with Stamos from those you call "sociopaths" and even the word "hatred". Whatever baggage you have against certain fans shouldn't be used to write everyone off as sociopaths who didn't agree with having him onstage at a 50th concert or anything else. My issue was the TV movie, plain and simple. Whatever he did or does with the Beach Boys after that I really don't care.

And nice dig at Brian where it doesn't even apply. Stamos is a true fan, OK. What does that have to do with the myriad guests who I assume you think aren't as big fans as Stamos "randomly" showing up on Brian's recordings?

That wasn't a dig at Brian and I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

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I have to laugh. We accuse and call band members all kinds of stuff without them being here to defend themselves, but boy, have someone do the same against board members and wow, does the fur stand on end. We need to take what we dish out.

The Stamos hatred is centered around a bunch of sociopaths in the pro-Brian camp who think Stamos is little more than a cheerleader. However, unlike many of the myriad guests who randomly show up on both Beach Boys and Brian solo recordings, Stamos actually IS a fan of the group and a huge one at that. I'll take him over the Johnny-come-lately poseurs.

I can speak only for myself, but "hatred" is hardly the right term. Calling fellow fans "sociopaths" ain't the gentlemanliest way to do business, either. WTF...

Maybe not the most gentlemanly way to do business, but as the good Doctor said, what's eight pages of bitching about it going to change? None of us were there except those who were in the audience at said show.

I sometimes think the anti-Stamos people would be livid if Stamos was banned from future concerts - only because they'd have nothing to bitch ad nauseam about on the internet.

The Stamos hatred is centered around a bunch of sociopaths in the pro-Brian camp who think Stamos is little more than a cheerleader. However, unlike many of the myriad guests who randomly show up on both Beach Boys and Brian solo recordings, Stamos actually IS a fan of the group and a huge one at that. I'll take him over the Johnny-come-lately poseurs.

Separate the fans who may have issues with Stamos from those you call "sociopaths" and even the word "hatred". Whatever baggage you have against certain fans shouldn't be used to write everyone off as sociopaths who didn't agree with having him onstage at a 50th concert or anything else. My issue was the TV movie, plain and simple. Whatever he did or does with the Beach Boys after that I really don't care.

And nice dig at Brian where it doesn't even apply. Stamos is a true fan, OK. What does that have to do with the myriad guests who I assume you think aren't as big fans as Stamos "randomly" showing up on Brian's recordings?

It was a malfunction of technology. Whether some band members may not care when this happens, others may care a lot. Whether considered tacky or not, someone (Mike, Bruce, whoever) thought it best to have John come out and finish the song. Man, talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Eight pages of discussion isn't going to change what happened.  Two plus years of talking about it hasn't brought us any further along as to exactly what happened and who made the call to have Stamos come out. I'll bet many in the band still don't know. Even Nelson in his apology says it was only his opinion, not fact.

The Stamos hatred is centered around a bunch of sociopaths in the pro-Brian camp who think Stamos is little more than a cheerleader. However, unlike many of the myriad guests who randomly show up on both Beach Boys and Brian solo recordings, Stamos actually IS a fan of the group and a huge one at that. I'll take him over the Johnny-come-lately poseurs.

I can speak only for myself, but "hatred" is hardly the right term. Calling fellow fans "sociopaths" ain't the gentlemanliest way to do business, either. WTF...

Bruce was gangsta before the fans ever knew it.