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 on: Today at 02:08:03 PM 
Started by Andrew G. Doe - Last post by HeyJude
I understand that if sources wonít talk, there are going to be huge limitations. But I would hope the story could be fleshed out by a myriad of BB scholars and fans and insiders. For instance, it wouldnít take talking to Carlís family to find posts on this board such as Ray Lawlorís post describing the letter Mike wrote and sent to BRI in 1997 demanding Carl step down due to his health issues, otherwise he (Mike) was going to quit. Iím not picking on Mike here or even trying to dredge that discussion up again, but all that stuff is pertinent to admittedly sketchy period in 1997/98, so Iím just trying to cite an example of something that isnít in a bunch of other biographies on the band, but can be found online and/or via talks with fans and scholars. Obviously, I donít know if the book goes into that stuff; maybe it does. But itís sounding like itís already light on the last couple of decades. For both fans of the group and Carl, some clarity or at least additional information about that late era would be indispensable. Right now, our best source for that time period is probably, ironically, a David Marks biography, where Dave was able to add some insights since he was dragged into that situation in late 1997.

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 on: Today at 02:03:43 PM 
Started by king of anglia - Last post by Rocky Raccoon
I don't know who he is either way but clearly it's the same guy who runs this Twitter. https://twitter.com/iainlee

He has 42,000 followers and it's a verified account so he must be famous (not trying to be mean, he's just not well-known in the US at all).

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 on: Today at 01:55:49 PM 
Started by TMinthePM - Last post by HeyJude
Not trying to be a smartass, but finding the UK/US album differences isnít a huge research chore:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_in_Paradise

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 on: Today at 01:53:58 PM 
Started by king of anglia - Last post by Rob Dean
Yes I believe it's the actual Iain Lee himself - British Comedian/Radio Presenter etc......

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 on: Today at 01:52:28 PM 
Started by shadownoze - Last post by HeyJude
I bought tickets, because, beyond all the obvious reasons, itís still rare relative to Brianís touring career as a whole to see Al and Blondie there, and also because regardless of when or if Brian retires, Iím probably not going to get 10 or even 5 more chances to see Brian in the Bay Area.

But theyíre doing themselves no favors with the pricing on this show. I know the market is one of the more expensive markets in the country as far as ticket prices (the June Saratoga show was on the high end of prices for the tour as well), but the price breakdown for the SF show is: $175/135/100/75/50, and pretty much everything on the floor is $135 or higher (there might be some outskirt sections on the floor at cheaper prices). This is just for tickets. I donít think theyíre even offering VIP packages for this show.

I paid more for this show than the C50 tour. Iím not saying the show isnít worth it. I probably would have found some way to stretch things and buy tickets even if it was a little more expensive. But this kind of pricing leads to more casual fans skipping it. Too expensive. He also is doing this show less than three months after playing in the same market, at a show that was nearly but not quite a full sellout. I think Davies Symphony Hall actually seats at least 500 more than the Mountain Winery in Saratoga (around 2700 versus 2200, all approximate of course).

A similar thing happened in 2008 at the Paramount Theatre in Oakland, which was poorly attended in part due to Brian having done two shows (with Al, who wasnít on the 2008 tour) in the Bay Area in 2007. That 2008 gig had other problems, including going on sale *very late* compared to most shows.

Iím not trying to be naysayer. Iím beyond stoked to get a second chance to see Brian, Al, and Blondie, less than three months after seeing them in June. If they do the same setlist, even that will be amazing. But objectively, Iím not surprised it isnít selling out. Brian *can* do it; when I saw Brian at this same venue, Davies Symphony Hall, in 2004 on the ďSmileĒ tour, it seemed like a hugely hot ticket with numerous people out in front of the venue trying to *buy* tickets, not sell them!

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 on: Today at 01:50:11 PM 
Started by Andrew G. Doe - Last post by The 4th Wilson Bro.
Yeah, let's have a full blown documentary on Carl's lung and brain cancer episodes complete with a  step by step breakdown of how he rapidly declined during his last days on earth. Inquiring minds want to know for sure. Roll Eyes How about doctor visits and MRI's? How about his bouts with chemo therapy-we need to know all about that and his increasing need for oxygen. And why not a section on how his family dealt with the crisis-maybe some interviews and some good old pictures. My God, do we need to go there? Really?  Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh

It would have been nice, no, expected, for the author to mention the last time he saw his brother, or how he began to look noticeably ill some two years before the "official" announcement, but a source I trust implicitly tells me it doesn't. Said source agrees with Ian that the first half of the book is mostly a BB biography and adds that there are some unforgivable errors which indicate either poor research, poor proofing or both. Jon handled Dennis' decline and death with great sensitivity and insight. This book seems to offer little more than "he was diagnosed, toured a bit then died". I'll be interested to see the whole thing, but my hopes aren't high.

Sorry to hear, ADG, that there's apparently little written about Carl's last years (Of course, I'm not referring to the ignorant drivel that was OSD's post).

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 on: Today at 01:20:01 PM 
Started by king of anglia - Last post by king of anglia
The actual Iain lee??

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 on: Today at 01:16:41 PM 
Started by runnersdialzero - Last post by hideyotsuburaya
"The BBs are pretty much the unofficial soundtrack to Disney's California Adventure"

yeah I took my daughter there in May and CALIFORNIA GIRLS or SURFIN' USA never ceased to be blaring away

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 on: Today at 01:11:12 PM 
Started by shadownoze - Last post by chaki
yikes speaking of, it doesn't look like many tickets have been sold for the sf show.. still tons of seats available.

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 on: Today at 01:09:17 PM 
Started by BJL - Last post by Rocky Raccoon
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1. What is the difference between the Made in California mix of the 1967 Surfs Up demo and the Smile Sessions mix?

It sounds like some tape glitches were patched up.  Other than that, I don't think there are any  differences.

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2. Where else has the single version of California Saga been released? I'm trying to figure out if I have the single version already in itunes. Is the single version very different from the album version?

The single version is on the Greatest Hits Vol. 3: Best of the Brother Years CD.  Brian's vocals are more prominent in the single version, he sings "On my way" after the verses throughout.  I think the version on MIC is actually the album version.

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3. Is the Lonely Sea version on this boxset different besides having the longer fade?

No, I don't think so.

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5. From the Smile Sessions, the vegetables and wind chimes stereo mixes were on the LP in the box set, but not the CDs, right? Heroes Parts 1 and 2 were also only the 7 inch vinyl? And Our Prayer wasn't released on the box set in stereo? Are these the only Smile cuts on the box that weren't previously released on CD/digital?

Heroes and Villains, Parts 1 and 2 were also on the 2CD version of The Smile Sessions.  Otherwise, I think you have it covered.

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8. What makes this Break Away mix different, and is it vintage? I don't have Hawthorne California, so it's new to me.

Brian sings lead, Carl sings on the single version.  There's also a longer tag on this version with additional lyrics.

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