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581123 Posts in 19226 Topics by 3365 Members - Latest Member: Kid Presentable July 24, 2016, 09:30:49 AM
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 on: Today at 09:20:36 AM 
Started by runnersdialzero - Last post by Kid Presentable
Just throwing in my 2 cents.... dunno how you can have a "beach boys starter pack" and not include anything pre-pet sounds... that's as odd to me as oh, making someone a Metallica mixtape and deciding to exclude the Cliff Burton years, or making a Nirvana mixtape and excluding anything on Sub Pop.  It is an incomplete picture of their trajectory and development and that's not what I'd want in a starter pack.

If it were me I would pick 4 albums.  The first would be a solid pre-PS record like Surfer Girl or Summer Days!, then Pet Sounds, then a post-PS Brian-era album like Sunflower or maybe Wild Honey, then your favorite of the 3 Carl-era records.

On the other hand, if what you're interested in is actually a "Brian Wilson starter pack" then that is different, and a good 4 would be Today!, Pet Sounds, Friends, and Love You.  (Then again, I really, really love Today!)

Interested listeners could likely find major differences between each of the 4 records, and dive in from there and further explore the era surrounding their preferred LP.

 on: Today at 08:44:47 AM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by ArchStanton
Looks like the Indiana show got a full-length setlist (39 including "River Deep"), then they did an extremely short setlist at Pitchfork, perhaps the shortest setlist of the tour, and then in Iowa they did a longer but still truncated setlist (assuming it's correct on

Sometimes (though less so than the olden days), casino shows are required to be shorter. Since both the Indiana and Iowa shows were "Horseshoe Casino" shows, it's a bummer they did such a shortened show in Iowa. Perhaps if you get the band on the third or fourth night in a row, you sometimes get a shorter setlist. The festival gigs being shorter makes sense, but it's a bummer when two nearly-identical venues two days apart get drastically different length shows.

I was at the Iowa show (first time seeing Brian!). It was hotter than hell, the show was outside, and the band was right in the sun, so that may have been part of the shorter set. Bluntly, Brian really didn't do too well, and I was legitimately worried about him, so it's good to hear that he sounds better elsewhere. He sounded fine on the faster songs, but on a lot of the Pet Sounds tracks, he was missing a lot of lines and just kind of spitting others out here and there.

But the weather was brutal. I'm just glad I finally was able to see him!

We would've loved hearing "Do You Wanna Dance?" though, as it's my wife's favorite. Smiley

 on: Today at 08:44:16 AM 
Started by Moon Dawg - Last post by Chocolate Shake Man
The most recent emails are mainly from late May, after the primaries were a foregone conclusion and Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Sanders were pretty much open enemies.
I'm not particularly defending DWS, but I don't think it's evidence of the "coronation" of which people speak.
Also, I wonder CSM, who you mean by "the Dems" when you say that Clinton "perfectly represents their ideals."
Do you mean the DNC? Or registered Democrats at large? Or the elected Democrats at the federal level? Or the elected Democrats across the board? Or some other segment?

I'm not sure of the coronation of which people speak but it's another example of what I consider to be the rather shameful way that Sanders was treated, by and large, particularly in comparison to the other two candidates in this run-up.

By the Dems, I suppose I'm referring to the DNC as well as elected mainstream Democrats.

I 100% agree, and just a reminder of why I'm going to vote independent again like in the last 2 elections. IMHO a vote for the 'lesser of two evils' is still a vote for evil.  Some may scoff and say I'm 'wasting my vote'. No, I'm just going in with a clear conscience.

Understandable. But in my view voting for Clinton could very well be the most ethical decision in some cases. Chomsky, I think, makes the most persuasive point on this issue:

 on: Today at 07:51:41 AM 
Started by punkinhead - Last post by RangeRoverA1
The Four Seasons' "Lucky Ladybug" > Billy & Lillie's
They also covered their "La Dee Dah" but imo it's very annoyingly silly song they shouldn't bother. "Lucky Ladybug" is fun & joyful.

 on: Today at 07:40:43 AM 
Started by Mr Bones - Last post by c-man
The more I delve into this subject with my ongoing research, the more I discover that there is no one answer: some 1964 tracks were recorded with Brian on piano, Al on bass, Carl on rhythm guitar, and Dennis on drums, with Carl then overdubbing the lead guitar - pretty simple. On others, Al is playing both rhythm guitar and bass (by virtue of an overdub), or doubling the bass (again on an overdub), Brian sometimes played piano and bass (overdub again), the drums were doubled (overdub), etc. Vocally, by this point, they were often doing the first vocal track on the third track of a 3-track tape which already housed the basic track and an instrumental overdub on the other two tracks, then there was a dubdown to a 2nd-generation 3-track, during which the vocals were simultaneously doubled on the same track of the new tape, while the two instrumental tracks were kept discrete. This contrasts to other times, where the two instrumental tracks were combined to mono on the dubdown, and the two vocal tracks were discrete.

Short answer is - it varies!

As for the piano - David Marks told me it was always an upright while he was there - after he left, I think it was sometimes an upright and sometimes a grand.

 on: Today at 07:21:00 AM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by wbarnes4393
Saw the show last night in Bossier City, LA (Horseshoe Casino - Riverdome). Really small room, so it was great seeing the band up close. Al Jardine was with the group after all. Not Darian though (Billy Hinsche was there). Brian was in pretty good form. There was no intermission, so I am guessing it was a shorter show.  This was the setlist for last night :

Our Prayer
Heroes and Villains
California Girls (with some new intro)
Dance Dance Dance
Do You wanna dance
I Get Around
Surfer Girl
Don't Worry baby
California Saga: California
Wild Honey
Sail on sailor
(pet sounds in order)
Good Vibrations
Help Me Rhonda
Barbara Ann
Surfin USA
Fun Fun Fun
Love and Mercy

 on: Today at 07:15:22 AM 
Started by hypehat - Last post by john k
Not so much obsessing, more like delving deeply----into the music of k.d. lang. With thanks to SteveMC for pointing the way...

 on: Today at 06:48:10 AM 
Started by The Old Master Painter - Last post by Bicyclerider
In your opinion.  Others (Alan Boyd among them) think otherwise.

 on: Today at 06:44:48 AM 
Started by rasmus skotte - Last post by rasmus skotte
Was Brian Wilson really inspired by Beatles-album REVOLVER when he did SMiLE - or by something else? ...thorgil has asked (haiku-palindrome by thorgil:)


Brian?' "Na, I: R*b- ['REV]-

lover! [ IT UP]"<

 on: Today at 05:30:15 AM 
Started by Charles LePage @ ComicList - Last post by Rick5150
I wish people would not apply today's standards of music and knowledge of the Beach Boys that was unavailable back then to judge Concert. The song selections were goofy but fun and the energy was fantastic. I love the album for what it is and the boys sounded like they were having a blast.

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