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 on: Today at 05:24:37 AM 
Started by Awesoman - Last post by JK
I was confronted with this for the first time today. Tapatalk is more power-crazed than I thought:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/beachboysforum/ucp.php?mode=login

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 on: Today at 04:22:29 AM 
Started by Watamushi(Polly Poller) - Last post by JK
Today's song is Santa's Beard.

I listened to the entire 1964 album yesterday and loved everything I heard, so I've no reason not to give it a five.  Grin

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 on: Today at 12:57:10 AM 
Started by Watamushi(Polly Poller) - Last post by Watamushi(Polly Poller)
Today's song is Santa's Beard.

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 on: Today at 12:56:31 AM 
Started by Watamushi(Polly Poller) - Last post by Watamushi(Polly Poller)
Your ratings for The Man with All the Toys:
1...0 vote
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3...1 vote
4...1 vote
5...2 votes

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 on: Today at 12:14:33 AM 
Started by 13thBB - Last post by Jay
It seems as though right now YouTube is indeed the best place to get a good scope of what's out there. All the old blogs seem to be gone/dead. But man,  the early 2000's were a great time for a fan new to bootlegs like I was. Those blogs were a God send.

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 on: Yesterday at 11:23:42 PM 
Started by GoogaMooga - Last post by GoogaMooga
I am not trying to exonerate Mike, but I wouldn't bash him either. The man makes an effort, but has his shortcomings. I've tried to explain how he truly feels about his family, and some of that pain has come across in a negative way in the interviews. Don't forget he and Brian were very close in the early years, as was that whole family, dysfunctional or not. About the lawsuits, I don't recall them all, but I do know he was screwed out of songwriter credits and royalties, consciously or not, by either Murry or that whole BRI set-up. I think guitarfool's analysis is quite balanced, but I also feel Mike Love does not get enough credit for his significant contribution to The Beach Boys through more than 50 years. If nothing else, he wrote the "California myth" with those song lyrics. Let us give credit where credit is due.  Smiley

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 on: Yesterday at 10:02:41 PM 
Started by GoogaMooga - Last post by Lonely Summer
I think Brian is a guy who, in his inspired musical moments, has reached towards the heavens, sometimes he's gotten there, other times he has come very close. But he also has an agitated side to him - agitation, I am guessing, born out of the inability to sustain those occasional heavenly moments.

There is a very potent element to this notion. Maybe it is as much a pressure to repeat those moments as it is an inability to sustain them, as in having the burden of expectation and anticipation that such "divine inspiration" to use a heavy term can just be called on demand and applied to whatever is the next project being undertaken. It's a burden which a lot of musical artists have fallen victim to and which has led to some devastating results when the pursuit of such inspiration combined with the pressure to replicate them as if they're ordering fast food from a menu becomes a hurdle that cannot be leapt over.

Brian is the guy who - 40 years after the fact - said to the effect of "how do you top Good Vibrations? You don't." Yet look at how many wanted him and expected him to do just that. Even in that 1976 TV special, McCartney is there at Brian's birthday celebration saying "Brian, when are you going to give us another Pet Sounds?"...then in the mid-90's you had a label asking for Pet Sounds part 2...and the whole nature of divine inspiration (or just everyday run-of-the-mill sparks of creative juice and inspiration) is that you can try methods to facilitate it, but the very nature of inspiration is random and filled with chance. You cannot order it off a menu.

And sometimes that inspiration creates something so personal, so unique, and so definitive and strong that being asked to replicate it on demand can be taken as an insult, and the expectations that such inspiring works will flow in succession can cause that agitation that can lead to either a radical shift in scope and design (as with Smiley Smile and Wild Honey, perhaps?) or a complete creative shut-down as has happened with any number of artists, authors, musicians, and the like.

This may be one reason why for me as a fan, I would selfishly love to see something else presented around "Smile", but when BWPS did come out it was done at exactly the right moment with the right people and it had the effect which was enough to say Ok, it's been done, let's move on to something else...and not try to recreate what was a truly unique experience in time.

Trying to recreate divine inspiration is a fool's errand, and expecting someone to recreate it is as destructive as it is naive.

And keep in mind this is the same Brian Wilson who has often said "Music is God's voice" and who considers music and the creation of music as a spiritual element and experience. The highest forms of that inspiration cannot be recreated on demand.
You nailed it, guitarfool.  I couldn't have put it together in words as well as you did, but you just said what I've been feeling for a long time (as a songwriter and singer myself).

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 on: Yesterday at 09:36:10 PM 
Started by feelintheflows - Last post by guitarfool2002
The Beatles were effectively over when they started working on "Get Back/Let It Be" in an old airplane hangar of a film set in the dead of winter. The fact they pulled it together for the rooftop speaks more to their professionalism as performers and musicians as it does the notions of the band. And the way they also pulled it together for Abbey Road, which they knew would be the last hurrah when they were making it, speaks to the same ideals.

They ended it when it had to end, and it just happened to coincide with the end of the 60's idealistically. The Apple rooftop final concert became an iconic image as well as a fitting send-off. There would never be and can never be the sad spectacle of McCartney or Ringo touring as "The Beatles" decades later with either remaining member fronting a band of backing musicians and "still tourin'" for whatever reasons they'd give.

There was no need for a touring license with The Beatles because it ended when it had to. They have that one over the Beach Boys by light years.

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 on: Yesterday at 09:27:09 PM 
Started by GoogaMooga - Last post by guitarfool2002
I will also add too, and knowing some will consider this "Mike bashing" even though it's a straight-up, honest opinion being offered - For all Mike says and does regarding his TM practices and meditation, he does not seem like a man at peace with himself or with his situation despite nearly 50 years of meditating and practicing TM. Someone at peace with the world, and in touch with their spirituality, is generally not going to be estranged and cut off from his own blood brothers, is *not* going to launch into diatribes against friends and family, will not make ridiculous and hurtful comments about those same people in public, and hold grudges for decades even though in several prominent cases he came out the winner. And someone with spiritual awareness and holding inner peace through meditation, religion, or whatever means is generally not the person who will have the reputation of being a jerk to former friends and family members, being known for filing lawsuits and acting as Mike's reputation suggests he does.

I hope he finds peace, inner peace as I hope in general. But to speak so much and so publicly about having found inner peace and being in touch with spirituality through TM and meditation, Mike's words and actions as recent as this year do not seem to reflect that, and I have to ask why is that the case. I don't know the exact tenets of TM as a religion or spiritual quest, but I'd think forgiveness, humility, and letting go of spiteful thoughts and actions against others should be somewhere in the TM guidebook especially for the more advanced devotees.

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 on: Yesterday at 09:14:18 PM 
Started by GoogaMooga - Last post by guitarfool2002
It strikes me too whenever there are comments made about how Brian Wilson handles interviews, or interviewers - There has been so much already said about what makes him tick, and so much of that is the notion that he speaks through the music he makes. That's what he's communicating to his fans who are willing to listen. If there is something he has wanted to say or convey, there are so many instances of him saying it through the music, and we can all hear it loud and clear if we listen. It does surprise me sometimes to read the reactions to some random interview with BW where he gave short answers or whatever the other gripes may be, especially when you consider where he's coming from. He communicates through music, maybe it's really as simple as that.

And the music to him is spiritual. I know it sounds like hyperbole or some might say "fanboy BS", but there is something to it. I think listening to the incredible music reveals his spiritual side in the sounds of those songs and arrangements, as well as his fun side or the side which is feeling down at any given time.

But I come back to the phrase "I believe music is God's voice". There is no wiggle room on a statement like that, there is no way to parse it or explain it away because it is a very direct statement that reveals a lot about the man, and this is a man who unlike other bandmates is not one to be overtly "religious" or trying to be preachy or pious in any way. He shares and reveals a lot in his music, and I'd suggest he always has from the earliest BB efforts.

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