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 91 
 on: Yesterday at 02:47:09 PM 
Started by the captain - Last post by Buckethead
I hear you, RRA1. I was keenly aware of peer pressure beginning in, maybe second grade. Even then, I found it the degree to which kids would go to to be part of the crowd, to be "in" to be annoying. I learned what I had to do and how to present myself in order to avoid bullies (and get along in the workplace), but other than that, I made no effort to conform. If it appeared that I was, for example, in fashion, it was only because I liked it or it was a clear professional expectation. I wore my hair very short when EVERY girl wore it at least shoulder length; this filtered out guys who wanted a girlfriend who conformed to their peers' ideal female, the one that is found in centerfolds. There were plenty of males left over who commented that they liked my hair because it showed my face better. I went to few parties because they were just excuses to for kids to drink and do drugs, and just never bought into the fixation teenage girls had with talking on the phone for hours and hours. I had friends, pretty much other kids who were comfortable being themselves. It is true, though, that some people have a greater need than others to fit in with the "cool people" for no other reason than to do it. I'm nice to everyone, but feel a bit less respect for them, would not seek them out personally or socially. 

 92 
 on: Yesterday at 02:41:41 PM 
Started by Doobidoo - Last post by CenturyDeprived
I was more interested in who sings in the tag the complete "Until I Dieeeee". Listening to it yesterday on Serius, I too was wondering if it was Jack Reiley, as it sounds a bit like him and a bit unlike Brian or Dennis, the only 2 Boys it could possibly be.

If it's the line I'm thinking of, I discussed this once with Alan Boyd, and we believe it's Carl. It sounds a bit different than he would normally sound, but we think it's him. I don't believe Dennis is on this one - it was recorded while he was away filming "Two Lane Blacktop". Not that he couldn't have added a part when he returned, but I don't think he did.

c-man, this is very interesting.

Do you have a rough list of some other songs that are vocally missing one or more BB members? (Not referring to "solo" vocal songs like Caroline, No, but songs where there's a vocal blend, and where avid BB listeners might have assumed for years that all the group was singing, and it would be a surprise, like with 'Til I Die, that someone is missing from the blend.)


Well...Mike's absent from a few Friends songs like "Little Bird", "Friends", "When A Man Needs A Woman", and "Be Here In The Mornin'" (his spot on the latter was filled by Murry). And on the Sunflower album, all of the vocals on "Forever" were reportedly sung by the Wilson brothers initially (then Mike was added in a few spots for the final mix), while on "Our Sweet Love", I just hear Brian, Carl, and Al.  


Interesting. And all of those Friends songs without Mike's vocals are due to his India trip with The Beatles, right?
I wonder if Murry would have come into the studio to sing had Mike not gone to India.

A recent auction lot revealed a letter which Brian Wilson wrote to the Maharishi explaining how Mike was needed to come back to the states to work on the album. If I can find the actual letter or text of that letter, I'll post it.

But yeah, Mike was MIA studying meditation when the album was being worked on in the states and a letter exists asking the Maharishi to allow him to come back.

Not sure if that lines up with tracks where Mike is not involved, but it wouldn't be surprising if that was the reason he's not on those tracks.

I'm wondering if any of the following approximates what happened:

-Brian really wanted (and felt the real need for) Mike to be present so that the vocal blend would sound normal the way Brian always was used to it sounding

-Brian felt he needed Mike's input in a songwriting or "bouncing ideas off Mike" capacity

-Brian feared Mike's potential wrath if a bunch of songs were finished up without Mike present, and then having Mike complain about stuff Mike didn't like after songs were already near completion upon Mike's return

-all of the above

(while I wish I didn't have to add this note, I'll add it anyway: none of this is intended as "bashing", but are all legit questions I'm pondering)

 93 
 on: Yesterday at 01:21:45 PM 
Started by Juice Brohnston - Last post by Juice Brohnston
The band will play Fleet Week in CA.  Sept 1st in front of USS IOWA, 250 S Harbor Blvd., San Pedro.

 94 
 on: Yesterday at 12:15:33 PM 
Started by c-man - Last post by guitarfool2002
Hmm...I was just reading today about the "baroque violin" - violins from the 17th century were set up differently than modern day violins, to the point where a "baroque violin" is considered an instrument unto itself...I wonder if the same is true of 17th century cellos?

It is--but many of the finest extant instruments from the "early music" eras have been altered to suit the needs of the modern performer.  Most existing Stradavarii and the instruments by similarly sought-after makers have been disassembled and put back together to accommodate modern strings and more vigorous playing.  Horoshevsky's cello would similarly been dismantled and adapted for modern use.  Interestingly, Celli were just starting to become commonplace in the 17th century, replacing earlier bass instruments from the related viol family.  Some have argued that the cello started life as an instrument played "da spalla", ie, on the shoulder, like a violin, and that it was that instrument that Bach wrote his cello suites for.

COMMENT:  Question for aeijtzsche. Would the older cello be more like a viola size? I can't imagine anything larger used da spalla. And by the way, I misspoke about Igor's cello. It was made in the 1700s, which would make it an 18th century instrument. Still had a beautiful bloom. ~swd







Also, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD4kNY34AoE

And here's a Brandenburg played with Celli da Spalla:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEbkxYfk0Go

Surprised that no one in the world of overly theatrical prog-rock and metal has tried to mount a pickup on that instrument and plug it into a massive rack and a Marshall stack just for the visual impact alone.  LOL

Or surprised that Nigel Tufnel didn't strap one of those on at some point...

 95 
 on: Yesterday at 12:11:59 PM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by guitarfool2002
Brian has been touring on his own for 20 years at this point and is playing shows on the road as of this week, I'm pretty confident in saying anyone who still might try to push the "the poor man is too ill to tour" nonsense is either an idiot or a puppet.

 96 
 on: Yesterday at 12:09:08 PM 
Started by Doobidoo - Last post by guitarfool2002
I was more interested in who sings in the tag the complete "Until I Dieeeee". Listening to it yesterday on Serius, I too was wondering if it was Jack Reiley, as it sounds a bit like him and a bit unlike Brian or Dennis, the only 2 Boys it could possibly be.

If it's the line I'm thinking of, I discussed this once with Alan Boyd, and we believe it's Carl. It sounds a bit different than he would normally sound, but we think it's him. I don't believe Dennis is on this one - it was recorded while he was away filming "Two Lane Blacktop". Not that he couldn't have added a part when he returned, but I don't think he did.

c-man, this is very interesting.

Do you have a rough list of some other songs that are vocally missing one or more BB members? (Not referring to "solo" vocal songs like Caroline, No, but songs where there's a vocal blend, and where avid BB listeners might have assumed for years that all the group was singing, and it would be a surprise, like with 'Til I Die, that someone is missing from the blend.)


Well...Mike's absent from a few Friends songs like "Little Bird", "Friends", "When A Man Needs A Woman", and "Be Here In The Mornin'" (his spot on the latter was filled by Murry). And on the Sunflower album, all of the vocals on "Forever" were reportedly sung by the Wilson brothers initially (then Mike was added in a few spots for the final mix), while on "Our Sweet Love", I just hear Brian, Carl, and Al. 


Interesting. And all of those Friends songs without Mike's vocals are due to his India trip with The Beatles, right?
I wonder if Murry would have come into the studio to sing had Mike not gone to India.

A recent auction lot revealed a letter which Brian Wilson wrote to the Maharishi explaining how Mike was needed to come back to the states to work on the album. If I can find the actual letter or text of that letter, I'll post it.

But yeah, Mike was MIA studying meditation when the album was being worked on in the states and a letter exists asking the Maharishi to allow him to come back.

Not sure if that lines up with tracks where Mike is not involved, but it wouldn't be surprising if that was the reason he's not on those tracks.

 97 
 on: Yesterday at 12:05:06 PM 
Started by the captain - Last post by ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮
Alright. We'll agree to disagree as I still don't see why people can't do what *they* would like to do, why they're scared that they wouldn't be accepted into group etc. Talking about countries with freedom, I didn't talk about places where people get seriously punished if they dress differently etc. But when you live in place with freefom, it doesn't make sense people would get easily influenced. F.ex. everybody's got mobile phone. I bought it too but everybody buys the coolest phone, I buy it as mean to talk. Everybody buys fridge - is it peer pressure too? Or just realization that this is convenient, in fact single way to store food & prevent it being stale?

monolithic aka Nicko1234 is simply the worst poster in the BBs board history. He acts like this really fair & balanced, reasonable person, best kinda fan when in fact he's just fanboy, as well as subtle potshot taker & passive-aggressive commentator.

Monolithic is a female poster and is not Nicko1234 unless there is something Iím not aware of

 98 
 on: Yesterday at 11:41:35 AM 
Started by Stephen W. Desper - Last post by Emdeeh
I got a message saying the audio files are missing.

 99 
 on: Yesterday at 11:27:46 AM 
Started by Stephen W. Desper - Last post by DC310
Fun! Thank you for all of your work on these!!!

 100 
 on: Yesterday at 11:20:51 AM 
Started by CenturyDeprived - Last post by CenturyDeprived
What about cases where the actual members singing the song didn't understand the references? (And I'm not talking about Mike and VDP on "Smile", etc.)

I've always wondered if it's more an apocryphal story, but it's amusing to imagine Al Jardine recording "Somewhere Near Japan" and only *later* when tasked with singing it live did he become aware of the song's drug references and then allegedly refuse to sing it live.

This requires a few questionable suppositions, namely that Al didn't understand some of the song's potential lyrical meaning, and also that he would refuse to sing a song with a not-particularly-blatant drug reference. I mean, "Sloop John B" refers to a "trip" that some people like to reinterpret as a drug reference. "Kokomo" has a "tropical contact high" reference that was scrubbed from the eventual Muppets remake.

There was one instance I wondered about reading Philip Lambertís book: Please Let Me Wonder. He says Brian wrote that song about stopping the touring so he could write really special music for the Beach Boys. I wouldnít be surprised if they didnít realize it was a song to them.

I built all my goals around you
That some day my love would surround you
You'll never know what we've been through
For so long I thought about it
And now I just can't live without it
This beautiful image I have of you


Not quite sure I understand what Lambert means by these lyrics possibly being about Brian stopping touring.
Would the "you" in the 1st line be interpreted as "the band"?

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