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Snap! Between this and The Beach Boys, we’re 60s tragics obviously. 👍

Right?! What I'd give to be laying on a Florida beach listening to 'I Get Around' on the radio watching a Saturn V take off

I can't imagine this *isn't* pertaining to that Jones Beach gig. The only thing that gives me pause is that it's 9 (and now 10) years after the fact. But we're also not privy to what has happened prior to this as far as legal action. I find it hard to believe they have been unsuccessfully trying to serve Al for a decade. He's been out in public on many tours, etc. So it would still seem this is a relatively recent court action, which is odd.

Unless there really is some sort of unknown more recent gig where a guy tried to book Al into a Mike show. But that seems unlikely.

As I mentioned, I suspect it's not as clear cut as Al signing a deal and bailing. That's not what I was hearing back then, including some elements that were not publicized. If I had to guess, "tentative" agreements are being construed (by the plaintiff it would seem) as full "in writing" agreements.

I also have to say, again, that where the thing could potentially also fall apart is how the guy would prove that having Al's name on the advertising would have resulted in a ton more sales/money, and what costs he incurred *because and only because* of having Al on the billing. Even the ads with Al's name were ads that presumably would have been taken out even if he hadn't done the gig.

I also believe, based on my recollection from the time, that the show had already been booked prior to approaching Al. It's not like the whole gig was devised as a semi-Beach Boys reunion. The impression I got was that a larger-scale show than the average show size for Mike had been booked by whomever, with other acts on the bill, and ticket sales were sagging, and somebody came up with the idea to ask Al (and Dave) to appear, to essentially try to sell it as a "Beach Boys Reunion."

I can picture some mid-level concert promoter thinking, after the debacle that was the end of the 50th reunion in 2012, thinking he could reconstitute that lineup for one gig, only to find it wasn't so easy.

I don't know if "Get Back" is something worth holding up to any potential BB doc.

What I do think is that a great BB doc could *absolutely* be as emotionally affecting, and perhaps more so, than "Get Back." The story is such a huge, sprawling, epic thing.

And I don't even think it would need like 8 parts or anything.

I think three or four 90-120 minute parts, so something in the 5-6 hour range, would effectively tell the story and allow everything to be covered and for the film to have both scope and an epic nature and emotion.

As I've been saying in a few threads, without going into too much detail, I would just say fans should not set their expectations too high for this new doc. And I think the trailer kind of lines up with what I've been hearing and saying. It's not going to have the scope I think people would want, and I guess it remains to be seen how moving/emotional it might be. I think parts of the story are *unavoidably* emotional, and I think the Paradise Cove reunion will be emotional even if it's also awkward or weird.

Keep in mind that while the film is of course done with BRI/Iconic, the team making the doc is a different team from the folks who have been putting together the top-notch archival releases of the last 7-10 years (and beyond including "Smile Sessions", etc.). While the music/audio side of things has finally reached "what we've been asking for for decades" status, I think this film was done by a different group with a different prompt. I have no reason to doubt that *any* attempt at a documentary on the BBs, or *any* project for that matter, is not an easy undertaking. But I also think, at the end of the day, we might find some cool things in this new doc but also be going back to "Endless Harmony" to scratch the doc itch.

Was this the last opportunity to do a "Beatles Anthology" level doc on the band? I don't know. Maybe. I mean, there's enough banked interview footage that they could do an "Anthology" kind of thing even if all the guys were gone. I guess we'll have to see.

But, it's true that getting a Beach Boys *thing* on the front splash page of a streaming app like Disney+ with a hundred million subscribers (or whatever it is) will result in some good in turning people on to the music.

I'm a big space nerd…

Snap! Between this and The Beach Boys, we’re 60s tragics obviously. 👍

Was quite a story on this board at the time.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17563.0.html

Al bailed first post on page 8. He even had it on his site that he would be there. Further in the thread it is indicated Al was put out that the invitation to perform had come from Live Nation, not Mike, so he cancelled.

Could get messy.

Of course Jones Beach might be totally unrelated to this case.

Whoops, missed the article link. I see it now.

I do agree that they are "two different beasts" - but I feel like it can't be impossible to create something on a 'Get Back' level, at least in regards to the narrative of the documentary. I guess I liken it to how 'Love & Mercy' could've been another 'Walk the Line' but instead it was done in a style that made it stand out so beautifully from other biopics. I would love to see that attention to narrative in a documentary about The Beach Boys.

I'm a big space nerd, so I watch a lot of documentaries on the Apollo program. Two documentaries from two different eras come to mind; 'For All Mankind' (from 1989), and the recent 'Apollo 11'. 'Apollo 11' is like the 'Get Back' of space films because the creators unearthed vintage IMAX-level quality film of the Apollo 11 launch. But 'For All Mankind' uses grainy/shaky footage and is almost just as impactful because it was created in a way that shows it as art and not an extended 60 minutes informative piece (which this Beach Boys documentary seems to be).

Anywho, sorry for the rambling haha. I do agree that we need to wait and see. We could be pleasantly surprised.

I know what you mean but let’s wait and see-this could be great.  Obviously-it can’t be Get Back because that was a crazy revelatory experience using hours of footage no one suspected would ever surface….the equivalent would only occur in Beach Boys land if 12 unseen hours of the Boys working on Smile surfaced! So obviously you have to lower your expectations

If I felt like there was not enough actual Brian/Beach Boys material to listen to, I dunno, maybe I'd entertain the fake stuff. But geez, I find it hard to believe that all the people breathlessly waiting for the next fake Brian vocal have actually exhausted all of the *real* material out there.

Like, go listen to the Tampa '74 show, or Nassau '79, or "Stevie", or whatever.

I think one of my main issues with the AI stuff is that, in BB "fandom", there are already 87 things that end up being a big clusterf**k of divisive arguing, where some people just "don't get it." Remixes vs original. Autotune arguments. BB politics. The list goes on and on. I'm just over adding another thing to that list.

I feel like the people making this AI stuff don't "get it"; I acknowledge others disagree. And yes, when it's done with very specific purpose in trying to recreate something that could have or should have actually existed (BBs singing on "Look", or whatever) versus "fanfic" music (1965 Brian sings "Orange Crate Art", etc.), I guess that's less egregious on some level.

But there's a point where it's less about the actual new AI thing being created, and more just kind of a weird sense of disappointment that more fans don't "get" why, well, it's kinda missing the point to generate and listen to HOURS of FAKE MUSIC. I don't know how else to say it.

It's like having a loving family and cheating on them with a holographic one. Like, why are you doing it? And, more importantly, what could possibly give you the same enjoyment or feeling as the real thing?

I assume people aren't turning to fake AI music because they've "fallen out of love" with the real stuff. Right?

Yes, some people see it as an interesting little experimental curio. But I think people breathlessly searching out the entire catalog of someone's fake AI stuff in high-rez to catalog it thoroughly certainly seem to be taking it far more seriously than just an interesting quick curio.

Dae Lims says periodically on his live streams that his AI tracks exist as lossless and are "out there."

I would like to know where "out there" is. If somebody knows, I'd appreciated a DM.

https://archive.org/details/dae-lims-archive

Excuse my naivete, but these appear to be lossless versions of his YT videos, not necessarily lossless versions of the actual tracks he produced. Are those not "out there"?