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 91 
 on: June 27, 2017, 05:22:52 AM 
Started by Watamushi (Polly Poller) - Last post by NOLA BB Fan
Brian's penultimate "anyhow" is worth at least five points in itself. One of the defining moments on All Summer Long.

Absolutely.
Another beautiful ballad by Brian.
5

 92 
 on: June 27, 2017, 04:52:22 AM 
Started by Watamushi (Polly Poller) - Last post by JK
Brian's penultimate "anyhow" is worth at least five points in itself. One of the defining moments on All Summer Long.

 93 
 on: June 27, 2017, 04:46:09 AM 
Started by Watamushi (Polly Poller) - Last post by Watamushi (Polly Poller)
Today's song is We'll Run Away.

 94 
 on: June 27, 2017, 04:45:50 AM 
Started by Watamushi (Polly Poller) - Last post by Watamushi (Polly Poller)
Your ratings for Little Honda:
1...0 vote
2...0 vote
3...1 vote
4...1 vote
5...6 votes

 95 
 on: June 27, 2017, 04:13:56 AM 
Started by pixletwin - Last post by bringahorseinhere?
I'm really surprised 'she's leaving home' made it to the end, in my mind,
'kite' and 'wahfmf' are way 'better'.  There ya go eh?
Even 'Sgt. Pepper' opening has the intense new energy that I thought
would push it through closer to the final's.
There ya go AGAIN eh?

 96 
 on: June 27, 2017, 04:01:46 AM 
Started by EgoHanger1966 - Last post by JK
Is it me and my cruddy browser, john, or are there no preview files on that Amazon page? I can't see any...

Not that, you know, I'm going to listen to any 30-second previews, or anything... [cue the sound of Matt's will to resist creaking under the strain]

Haha. I don't see them either, not here or on the US Amazon page...

 97 
 on: June 27, 2017, 03:58:32 AM 
Started by jackjachman - Last post by JK
UNLESS, of course... there's a technical reason. And there might be. Could be that the separate tracks available to create that intro when the mono mix was made are no longer available in 2017. That might mean that dropping out the guitar would have also dropped out, say, the horn. And I seem to recall that Aren't You Glad IS one of the tracks for which the original multitrack is no longer around, or at least not accessible...

It could also be that the instruments are still on separate tracks, but that a 'deconstructed' intro like the one created during the mix for the original mono record just doesn't sound so good in stereo. Sometimes when you do that, it sounds OK in mono and you get away with it, but muting the tracks in stereo sounds too obviously like... you muted the tracks to create that intro. You can sometimes hear that you've muted a track more obviously in stereo. So perhaps they changed it for the stereo mix and left everything playing for that reason...?

It's highly plausible that it was done for one of these two reasons. Time will tell. Thanks for a great post!

 98 
 on: June 27, 2017, 03:52:59 AM 
Started by pixletwin - Last post by 1-1-wonderful
A Day in the Life

 99 
 on: June 27, 2017, 03:51:39 AM 
Started by pixletwin - Last post by KDS
A Day in the Life

Easy pick here. In fact, I dont recall it getting a single cast off vote

 100 
 on: June 27, 2017, 03:16:25 AM 
Started by jackjachman - Last post by Matt Bielewicz
I agree absolutely, and you're right that we still have the mono whatever happens, so it sort of doesn't matter... but at the same time, it bugs me slightly that there are tiny differences like this between the mono and stereo mixes. I mean, if you're GOING for a different sounding mix in 2017, it doesn't matter, but according to Howie Edelson, they were trying for something that was as close as possible to the mono mix (like Giles Martin and the 2017 Sgt. Pepper mix, right?)

That mixing touch in the original mono, of dropping out most of the instruments just before the verse kicks in, leaving just the horn, bass drum and the organ playing, is a great flourish that leads beautifully into the verse. If the alleged aim was to reproduce the mono mix as closely as possible, why doesn't the stereo mix do that too?

It's a nice touch created by Brian (I would guess) solely at the mixing stage. Clearly, the intro wasn't recorded like that on the tape; as we can hear on the stereo mix, the guitar actually kept playing... but at the mono mixdown, it was dropped out for four beats to lead into the verse with more of a dynamic contrast. It's an example of arrangement or REarrangement at the mixing stage, which is commonplace today... but Brian was really leading the pack with this sort of stuff in the mid-to-late 60s. Wind Chimes on Smiley Smile is another great example, as is the SMiLE version of Vega-Tables. Probably the best-known example is the 'accapella section' in Sloop John B. The backing track instruments actually continued playing through that part on the original tape, and the Boys just carried on singing over that section as they did on the rest of the track... but Brian took the mixing decision to highlight just how great their singing was at that time, and on that section, by dropping out the instrumental backing during mixing to create the accapella section. So the mix shapes and becomes part of the arrangement. It was groundbreaking stuff in its day, absolutely part of that whole 'the studio is an instrument' thing that Brian helped to pioneer.

Now, of course, it sounds like I'm nit-picking and whining. I'm not. I will be at the door of my local record store when it opens on Friday to buy this when it comes out (I have to be, because they're only stocking one copy!). I will be buying extra copies for friends. I am FANTASTICALLY grateful that the powers that be are mining the BB catalogue like this and getting a stereo mix of this album out there. It doesn't have to happen, and if no-one was pushing, it wouldn't.

But my point here remains a valid one. The example of this kind of technical approach to arrangement by mixing on the intro of Aren't You Glad is much more subtle, and much less of a big deal than on the accapella section of Sloop John B. But you wouldn't make a stereo mix of Sloop John B and leave the backing playing through the accapella section when it's such a feature of the song in the original mono mix (and indeed, they *didn't* do that for the 1996 stereo mix). So why treat Aren't You Glad differently? Why make a stereo mix where the idea is to mimic the mono as closely as possible... and then not reproduce the mono as closely as possible, deft little flourishes like this and all?

UNLESS, of course... there's a technical reason. And there might be. Could be that the separate tracks available to create that intro when the mono mix was made are no longer available in 2017. That might mean that dropping out the guitar would have also dropped out, say, the horn. And I seem to recall that Aren't You Glad IS one of the tracks for which the original multitrack is no longer around, or at least not accessible...

It could also be that the instruments are still on separate tracks, but that a 'deconstructed' intro like the one created during the mix for the original mono record just doesn't sound so good in stereo. Sometimes when you do that, it sounds OK in mono and you get away with it, but muting the tracks in stereo sounds too obviously like... you muted the tracks to create that intro. You can sometimes hear that you've muted a track more obviously in stereo. So perhaps they changed it for the stereo mix and left everything playing for that reason...?

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