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[danger of being revamped]

nothing to do with the size/cost/marketability/content of this set is the reason for the hold up.

Howie and Jon's last posts beg to differ

What Howie is communicating is that the set which has been meticulously curated by the right people is in danger of being revamped by what are potentially the "wrong people" (my words not his), and the Dennis Wilson material is a great example of what could be lost should this revamp occur. By sharing that the DW "solo" material is indeed included in the submitted version of the set he's revealing how truly comprehensive it would be if left as is. The alarm is that it may not be left as is.

If someone thinks the set needs to be "revamped" then that means the dispute is over content... And most likely the size of it, as Jon also implied that it's not about any specific content in particular

I would think that it's conceivable that the reason that the set is being sidelined - and the fact that maybe the set could still come out in some butchered, mutilated form - are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

The FF set could be equated by someone in the band as "a general direction for the band to be hyped up as, that they personally don't want to be the focus of what people/media/music mags think of as The BBs".

The uncut, lavish set as we know it to exist could be completely sidelined due to some sort of branding desire for the totality of the band/brand (or for some other crap reason)... and separate from that, possibly a minimal digital dump might be made purely as a contractual thing for copyright reasons on some material. That would be less a content issue and more an overall branding issue that could be killing the set, yet a "revamp" might just be a lame consolation prize done purely for legal reasons.

EDIT: HeyJude just explained some of the same thoughts that I clunkily tried to express here, in better form, a few posts down

[danger of being revamped]

nothing to do with the size/cost/marketability/content of this set is the reason for the hold up.

Howie and Jon's last posts beg to differ

What Howie is communicating is that the set which has been meticulously curated by the right people is in danger of being revamped by what are potentially the "wrong people" (my words not his), and the Dennis Wilson material is a great example of what could be lost should this revamp occur. By sharing that the DW "solo" material is indeed included in the submitted version of the set he's revealing how truly comprehensive it would be if left as is. The alarm is that it may not be left as is.

If someone thinks the set needs to be "revamped" then that means the dispute is over content... And most likely the size of it, as Jon also implied that it's not about any specific content in particular

Maybe it's a marketing dispute. Maybe the camp believes that a lavish 5-CD set will appear more "important" than a a ~100-track digital release, but the other camp thinks that the gluttony of material defeats the purpose of such a package.

No, none of this is accurate.

As I've said a million times in this thread, nothing to do with the size/cost/marketability/content of this set is the reason for the hold up.

And I'm tired of explaining why, if this set can't make it out and they are *forced* to do a digital-only release, that portends a potential series of things that will undercut the set.

Let's get back to planet earth, everyone. By now it's clear that the issue is one of "less is more". It's nothing to do with some unbelievable accusation like "Mike is jealous of the Dennis songs". This board gets so ridiculous.

Just think about it - if the goal is to gain the band some recognition from people who aren't ALREADY recognizing them, then 5 CDs is probably not an easy sell. Can you imagine going up to someone who isn't a big fan of Pet Sounds or Smile and saying, "Look, I know you don't care for those records but really, the Beach Boys are a great band, just listen to this 6.5-hour-long collection of unreleased songs and sessions highlights!" Remember that almost every professional critic who reviewed The Smile Sessions box set groaned and moaned about how excessive it was. (I have also read similar criticisms leveled against Sunshine Tomorrow and Wake the World, inexplicably.)

For the record, I think everything should get released and that anyone who'd complain about "too much content" is a fool.

It's fascinating that once every ten pages or so someone new to the conversation seems to pop up out of nowhere, pronounce the "ridiculous" nature of elements of the discussion, and sit back and fold their arms like they have it all figured out.

If you think this set is about throwing a 5-CD box at the head of someone with no interest in the band at all, you're missing the point.

For the MILLIONTH time, *everybody* involved with this set has a good idea about how many copies it can sell.

The *recognition* issue is about getting Rolling Stone and other print and online media to cover a RENEWED look at this amazing material. Some casual music fans and casual BB fans will learn more about it, and they'll have a MILLION ways to delve into the material further. This includes buying a 5-CD set, but it also involves just buying "Sunflower" or "Surf's Up", or sampling tracks to purchase or stream.

The second time I met Brian was at Tower Sunset. He was out of it. Carolyn was with him. He was slowly making his way through the store, his eyes fixed on the promotional mobiles hanging from the ceiling. I walked up to them and reintroduced myself to him. He did not look down, he did not say anything, he just held out his hand. Sad day.

Any chance this comes from you?


http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,9198.msg664766.html#msg664766

Nope. Wasn't me.

Funny how both of those pics of Brian with Phil Spector (the only photos of the 2 of them together that exist, at least in that era, as far as I know) always have 1 of the 2 of them looking off; either Phil is out of focus looking like a demon, or Brian was awkwardly captured mid-blink in the 1 pic where Phil looks good  

Just for fun, let me add these (not all from the actual sessions as was mentioned):

The second time I met Brian was at Tower Sunset. He was out of it. Carolyn was with him. He was slowly making his way through the store, his eyes fixed on the promotional mobiles hanging from the ceiling. I walked up to them and reintroduced myself to him. He did not look down, he did not say anything, he just held out his hand. Sad day.

Any chance this comes from you?


http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,9198.msg664766.html#msg664766

The second time I met Brian was at Tower Sunset. He was out of it. Carolyn was with him. He was slowly making his way through the store, his eyes fixed on the promotional mobiles hanging from the ceiling. I walked up to them and reintroduced myself to him. He did not look down, he did not say anything, he just held out his hand. Sad day.

Produced by desper and he has tried to get it released in the past

Here a few screenshots of her commenting on Brian's Twitter account. For someone who was treated so shabbily by the BB/management/land, Carolyn still holds Brian in high esteem. That's the main theme of the BB; the humanity of Brian can reach anyone and everyone. Everyone loves Brian; as Al said about Love You, it should be The Beach Boys Love Brian.