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 21 
 on: Yesterday at 11:59:22 AM 
Started by Giggens - Last post by Lonely Summer
If we're going to suppress certain Beach Boys albums because they're not very good, then let's toss out 15 Big Ones, The Beach Boys Love You, MIU Album, and Keepin' the Summer Alive.
In an earlier time, some might have added Carl and the Passions to that list. Or even Smiley Smile.

 22 
 on: Yesterday at 11:51:49 AM 
Started by Giggens - Last post by positivemusic
While the material on Summer In Paradise is definitely not up to Brian's standards, the actual contents of the songs is in keeping with their earliest subject matters and does fit in thematically with what casual fans associate the band with. Most casual fans don't care about Pet Sounds, Friends, Sunflower, etc.

I'm also not a fan of revisionism. If the group is to be celebrated, they should be wholly celebrated, warts and all.

While I think the various "Sounds of Summer" discussions online have delved perhaps *too* deeply into the topic of getting young/casual fans to listen to the deeper cuts, etc., I think the point here is that there is a concerted effort (e.g. FEEL FLOWS) to get people to change their "perception" of the band.

Also, "Pet Sounds" is pretty mainstream these days. It's not like some curio for hardcore fans. It never was. It has several of their most popular songs on it.

The new "Sounds of Summer" revamp is the perfect way to sort of temper the casual fan from the "surf/summer, etc." stuff into deeper stuff.

Doing an actual PUSH for "Summer in Paradise" right now would be ridiculous. I feel weird even having to explain that. It's not the subject matter even. It's not good music. Yes, I've typed a million times some variation of "Well, 'Lahaina Aloha' and 'Strange Things Happen' aren't that bad." But it's their worst album, by leaps and bounds. If you only ever wanted to simply reinforce the stereotypes casual listeners feel about the Beach Boys, I'd just stick to the early stuff then. "Summer in Paradise" is a poorly recorded, poorly mixed, poorly produced presentation of mostly bad and occasionally okay music.

I can't speak to whether letting something go out of print is "revisionism", but as I've said, I wouldn't oppose keeping all the albums in print, or even just quietly dropping expanded versions, etc. But again, the idea of doing an active promotional push for "deluxe" versions of these albums is so beyond *missing the point* of what's happening right now with the catalog and the team working on stuff. It's like stopping Brian's "Smile" live show from 2004 in the middle, and playing everybody a few tracks off of "Looking Back With Love."

I mean, as much as I enjoy the early stuff, I would argue that Surfin' Safari, Surfin' U.S.A., and a good chunk of Shut Down, Vol. 2 could be classified, while fun, as "not good," relative to not only the strong tracks on those albums, but certainly what we know comes after.

And, it kind of defeats the purpose of saying "look how multifaceted these guys are" when you literally hide any of their work.

Pet Sounds is a special case in their discography, though. As Bruce once put it, it is "one complete thought." I don't consider it being "mainstream" by casual fans being familiar with three songs from it. Its certainly not unknown, but its more widely known and appreciated by music aficionados than the fandom in general.

I'm not sure that letting something go out of print is revisionism, per se, but acting as if it never existed, officially, as was the case through C50, certainly is. I liken it to the constant requels that now dominate, especially the Halloween franchise, which as been reimagined once to remove the Cult of Thorn storyline, and more recently, to remove the entire brother/sister angle established in the original second movie. I take both, ignoring Still Cruisin' and Summer In Paradise and the Halloween reset to be extremely disingenuous to longtime fans, and a missed opportunity to easily educate new fans on the full history behind each.

Yes, I believe all of Still Cruisin' and Summer In Paradise are available in full in some way on Youtube, but that can't be relied on when they're constantly taking down copyrighted material.

I'm not for a MASSIVE push for these albums, as I'm a bigger fan of the albums currently getting attention, but quietly releasing or just putting them up on streaming services wouldn't really disrupt the current plans.

 23 
 on: Yesterday at 11:01:29 AM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by rab2591
To me, Brian’s solo career is similar to the late era/most recent era of Paul’s solo career in that there are always some great things on the albums, but the days of front-to-back stunning albums are long gone. (I think Brian’s “Smile” is kind of its own thing, but certainly if we count that as just his “next album” in 2004, it’s by far his strongest front to back).

It's a shame that this is the case. I would argue that the Gershwin album is a front-to-back stunner (every song on there is a polished gem if you ask me)....but it's not really pure Brian solo material either.

 24 
 on: Yesterday at 10:54:25 AM 
Started by rab2591 - Last post by JK
I think you'd need to see I dolci inganni (Sweet Deceptions, 1960) before the OST made any sense. I watched it a few days ago and was enchanted:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ndU3453cedY17jgFbXcGz0kIyx75MfwW8

https://thecarbonfreeze.com/2021/02/27/i-dolci-inganni-1960-aka-sweet-deceptions-is-a-forgotten-masterpiece/

 25 
 on: Yesterday at 10:47:52 AM 
Started by Giggens - Last post by HeyJude
While the material on Summer In Paradise is definitely not up to Brian's standards, the actual contents of the songs is in keeping with their earliest subject matters and does fit in thematically with what casual fans associate the band with. Most casual fans don't care about Pet Sounds, Friends, Sunflower, etc.

I'm also not a fan of revisionism. If the group is to be celebrated, they should be wholly celebrated, warts and all.

While I think the various "Sounds of Summer" discussions online have delved perhaps *too* deeply into the topic of getting young/casual fans to listen to the deeper cuts, etc., I think the point here is that there is a concerted effort (e.g. FEEL FLOWS) to get people to change their "perception" of the band.

Also, "Pet Sounds" is pretty mainstream these days. It's not like some curio for hardcore fans. It never was. It has several of their most popular songs on it.

The new "Sounds of Summer" revamp is the perfect way to sort of temper the casual fan from the "surf/summer, etc." stuff into deeper stuff.

Doing an actual PUSH for "Summer in Paradise" right now would be ridiculous. I feel weird even having to explain that. It's not the subject matter even. It's not good music. Yes, I've typed a million times some variation of "Well, 'Lahaina Aloha' and 'Strange Things Happen' aren't that bad." But it's their worst album, by leaps and bounds. If you only ever wanted to simply reinforce the stereotypes casual listeners feel about the Beach Boys, I'd just stick to the early stuff then. "Summer in Paradise" is a poorly recorded, poorly mixed, poorly produced presentation of mostly bad and occasionally okay music.

I can't speak to whether letting something go out of print is "revisionism", but as I've said, I wouldn't oppose keeping all the albums in print, or even just quietly dropping expanded versions, etc. But again, the idea of doing an active promotional push for "deluxe" versions of these albums is so beyond *missing the point* of what's happening right now with the catalog and the team working on stuff. It's like stopping Brian's "Smile" live show from 2004 in the middle, and playing everybody a few tracks off of "Looking Back With Love."

 26 
 on: Yesterday at 10:38:36 AM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by HeyJude
One area where this often gets hung up is that I think you can like “Thing A” more than “Thing B”, but also say from a sort of objective/critical point of view, “Thing B” is stronger/better/more consistent, whatever.

I’ve run into a lot of Brian fans (and I’m not saying anybody here necessarily falls into this category) who have, let’s say, a pretty narrow, insular bubble of music they listen to. And it has to be pretty narrow for *me* to feel that way, because I’ve never considered myself someone with an epically wide-ranging taste in music.

Like the person a few years back that liked Brian’s take on “Wanderlust”, but refused to even listen to or make room for the *possibility* that McCartney’s original was good, let alone better (and of course it is, but Brian’s take is good and one of the only good tracks on that awful tribute album).

To me, Brian’s solo career is similar to the late era/most recent era of Paul’s solo career in that there are always some great things on the albums, but the days of front-to-back stunning albums are long gone. (I think Brian’s “Smile” is kind of its own thing, but certainly if we count that as just his “next album” in 2004, it’s by far his strongest front to back).

 27 
 on: Yesterday at 10:03:21 AM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by rab2591
Awesoman, somebody prefers apples, somebody (like me) prefers oranges.
I could not care LESS about who has the more success. If success were my guiding light, I'd be a fan of Justin Bieber and C.
And no, I don't think preferring Brian makes me a music illiterate. Quite the contrary.

Yeah, I don't think an artists' success and one's personal preference in music have anything to do with one another. I think the Beatles are the greatest band to ever come into this universe, however if left on a desert island I would 100% no doubt take The Beach Boys catalogue over the Beatles any day. Likewise, Paul has clearly had a better solo run than Brian (it's really not even a close comparison). However I'd listen to Imagination or the Disney album any day over anything McCartney has done. It's not a knock at McCartney, I just prefer Brian's music.

 28 
 on: Yesterday at 09:48:04 AM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by Robbie Mac
This was really lovely. They improved on Mark’s 2004 mix.

Paul’s solo output as a whole is better than Brian’s, but I would put 88 and TLOS up there with Paul’s best post-Beatles work.

 29 
 on: Yesterday at 09:23:26 AM 
Started by Giggens - Last post by positivemusic
While the material on Summer In Paradise is definitely not up to Brian's standards, the actual contents of the songs is in keeping with their earliest subject matters and does fit in thematically with what casual fans associate the band with. Most casual fans don't care about Pet Sounds, Friends, Sunflower, etc.

I'm also not a fan of revisionism. If the group is to be celebrated, they should be wholly celebrated, warts and all.

 30 
 on: Yesterday at 08:50:32 AM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by positivemusic
O.K. I'll admit it. As much as I completely disliked the remixes on the new Sounds of Summer, I really enjoyed this version. Although, I've always been one of the outlier fans of Gettin' In Over My Head.

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