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 31 
 on: Yesterday at 03:05:51 PM 
Started by Tricycle Rider - Last post by CenturyDeprived
I don't think a band ever has to answer for what they do.

You might think it's not fair, not right or whatever, and I agree, but it's their decision, not ours.



But what if Brian and Al are for the set, and someone is trying to block it against their wishes? That's OK? And what if petty vindictiveness and narcissism is fueling that?  That's an absolute horror show in my book.  

What if Mike could have legally finagled a way in 1998 to have the rights to go into the vault and destroy all of the master tapes for unreleased Mike-less BW material, against the wishes of BW?  I feel what we have here is perhaps only a few steps removed from that. This is part of why fans are so riled up and will not let this just fade away. A situation may have unfolded where someone who has no business speaking for the dead's wishes is somehow in power to do so, and is doing things for self-serving reasons, and that disgusts me.  

It's not just "not right or whatever", it's disgusting.

This situation may perhaps be a decades-later tragic aftereffect of DW's shares in the band being sold after his death to pay off his debts. That, to me, nullifies the argument of it being "their" decision. Dennis was part of "they" when it comes to this band. Only his tragic premature death and the tragic situation of his shares no longer being in the hands of his heirs have enabled someone to *exploit that situation for their own ego and gain*.

That thought is absolutely, positively sickening, and anybody with a heart would probably feel the same way if they really sat and thought about it for a moment.  The situation is more akin to watching a boxing fight, and someone is cheating with brass knuckles. Because they can.

If caring and passionate fans weren't being watchdogs for the legacy, there's a LOT of things historically that would have unfolded differently and with far worse results.

To picture of Mike in C50 standing around the piano with everyone in 2012 singing "add some music to your day", from an album that had a vibe of band unity to it, and to reconcile that with the probable fact that he is likely the cause of trying to screw over everyone else in the band, including his late cousins, for some petty, egomaniacal reasons makes me think lower of the man that I ever thought possible.


 32 
 on: Yesterday at 02:57:09 PM 
Started by Tricycle Rider - Last post by thetojo
I don't think a band ever has to answer for what they do.

You might think it's not fair, not right or whatever, and I agree, but it's their decision, not ours.



 33 
 on: Yesterday at 02:48:37 PM 
Started by Tricycle Rider - Last post by thetojo

... Jesus, first I *am* Howie, now I don't know what he's talking about? ...


Hey Jude, please help me out here. Are you saying you are actually Howie? Or that someone mistook you as Howie?



He's saying the latter. That particular allegation was made a few pages back.

 34 
 on: Yesterday at 02:47:59 PM 
Started by Tricycle Rider - Last post by CenturyDeprived

Yeah, the track listing could really bring some attention to this, but it might not blow it wide open.

By their nature unheard songs aren't going to be instantly recognized as unrealized masterpieces (which we all know some of them will be).

That may be true, but it's an incredibly tantalizing discussion for any rock music press to want to discuss why someone would want to screw over the legacy of the unheralded (but gaining much fame/respect especially since the 2008 POB reissue) 2nd genius of the band, DW. Why would someone want to squander an entire album's worth of material by this guy, who isn't around to advocate for himself anymore, after the set has ALREADY been assembled and previously deemed worthy enough of putting together?

Once again, this doesn't even get into the other great material that is clearly on this set, including (I'm sure) alternate versions of more famous songs, and why that material would be desired to be squandered.

Why would a band want to shortchange themselves? That's the real question, and a minefield that certain parties do not want to answer, but those parties will be put into a very awkward position to concoct answers to, and might hopefully just relent their ridiculous, misguided cause and simply allow the full set to be released.

I feel sure it has something at least partially to do with Mike Love's unending erection for the band/brand to be known primarily as his grosso Stamosified vision of it. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think anyone in the know has outright denied that some party's warped vision for OVERALL BRANDING being incompatible with FF is a complete non-issue regarding the block of FF.

 35 
 on: Yesterday at 02:45:33 PM 
Started by Tricycle Rider - Last post by Custom Machine

... Jesus, first I *am* Howie, now I don't know what he's talking about? ...


Hey Jude, please help me out here. Are you saying you are actually Howie? Or that someone mistook you as Howie?


 36 
 on: Yesterday at 02:40:43 PM 
Started by Tricycle Rider - Last post by CenturyDeprived

It's fascinating that once every ten pages or so someone new to the conversation seems to pop up out of nowhere, pronounce the "ridiculous" nature of elements of the discussion, and sit back and fold their arms like they have it all figured out.

If you think this set is about throwing a 5-CD box at the head of someone with no interest in the band at all, you're missing the point.

For the MILLIONTH time, *everybody* involved with this set has a good idea about how many copies it can sell.

The *recognition* issue is about getting Rolling Stone and other print and online media to cover a RENEWED look at this amazing material. Some casual music fans and casual BB fans will learn more about it, and they'll have a MILLION ways to delve into the material further. This includes buying a 5-CD set, but it also involves just buying "Sunflower" or "Surf's Up", or sampling tracks to purchase or stream.

That is the issue, absolutely. And that is why a track listing for FEEL FLOWS needs to at least be leaked to the media (though I'm sure everyone who's posted in this thread, for better or worse, would like to see it). I feel for Howie in so many ways--what an impossibly frustrating position to be put into--but he or someone with that info really needs to get it into the hands of those who can give it the type of coverage that will blow the lid off things. He's taken a step in that direction here, but someone needs to walk all the way down the stairs and out the door into the full light of day on this.

This is so INCREDIBLY true. If such a tracklisting got to the press, then someone from the band would - however reluctantly - HAVE to eventually answer to why the material is in jeopardy.

I cannot believe that every member of the band, their families, friends, every single person did a NXIVM style cattle branding into their chests vowing to never talk about the set, and that a leaked tracklisting wouldn't put pressure to get the set and its FULL contents addressed, and hopefully, released.

This would literally be the biggest Watergate or Wikileaks in the history of the classic rock world.

SMiLE Part II. Why is the band's greatest material consistently being squandered? Helluva headline.

 37 
 on: Yesterday at 02:39:06 PM 
Started by Tricycle Rider - Last post by thetojo

It's fascinating that once every ten pages or so someone new to the conversation seems to pop up out of nowhere, pronounce the "ridiculous" nature of elements of the discussion, and sit back and fold their arms like they have it all figured out.

If you think this set is about throwing a 5-CD box at the head of someone with no interest in the band at all, you're missing the point.

For the MILLIONTH time, *everybody* involved with this set has a good idea about how many copies it can sell.

The *recognition* issue is about getting Rolling Stone and other print and online media to cover a RENEWED look at this amazing material. Some casual music fans and casual BB fans will learn more about it, and they'll have a MILLION ways to delve into the material further. This includes buying a 5-CD set, but it also involves just buying "Sunflower" or "Surf's Up", or sampling tracks to purchase or stream.

That is the issue, absolutely. And that is why a track listing for FEEL FLOWS needs to at least be leaked to the media (though I'm sure everyone who's posted in this thread, for better or worse, would like to see it). I feel for Howie in so many ways--what an impossibly frustrating position to be put into--but he or someone with that info really needs to get it into the hands of those who can give it the type of coverage that will blow the lid off things. He's taken a step in that direction here, but someone needs to walk all the way down the stairs and out the door into the full light of day on this.

Yeah, the track listing could really bring some attention to this, but it might not blow it wide open.

By their nature unheard songs aren't going to be instantly recognized as unrealized masterpieces (which we all know some of them will be).

 38 
 on: Yesterday at 02:34:57 PM 
Started by Tricycle Rider - Last post by BeachBoysCovers
I saw Mike Love at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him about the Feel Flows set or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.


WTF?!

I know, I always had Mike down as a Snickers man myself.

 39 
 on: Yesterday at 02:31:47 PM 
Started by Tricycle Rider - Last post by thetojo
I saw Mike Love at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him about the Feel Flows set or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.


Are you sure that was Mike Love? maybe it was some other tool wearing a baseball hat and being a jerk for no good reason.

 40 
 on: Yesterday at 02:28:24 PM 
Started by Tricycle Rider - Last post by Don Malcolm

It's fascinating that once every ten pages or so someone new to the conversation seems to pop up out of nowhere, pronounce the "ridiculous" nature of elements of the discussion, and sit back and fold their arms like they have it all figured out.

If you think this set is about throwing a 5-CD box at the head of someone with no interest in the band at all, you're missing the point.

For the MILLIONTH time, *everybody* involved with this set has a good idea about how many copies it can sell.

The *recognition* issue is about getting Rolling Stone and other print and online media to cover a RENEWED look at this amazing material. Some casual music fans and casual BB fans will learn more about it, and they'll have a MILLION ways to delve into the material further. This includes buying a 5-CD set, but it also involves just buying "Sunflower" or "Surf's Up", or sampling tracks to purchase or stream.

That is the issue, absolutely. And that is why a track listing for FEEL FLOWS needs to at least be leaked to the media (though I'm sure everyone who's posted in this thread, for better or worse, would like to see it). I feel for Howie in so many ways--what an impossibly frustrating position to be put into--but he or someone with that info really needs to get it into the hands of those who can give it the type of coverage that will blow the lid off things. He's taken a step in that direction here, but someone needs to walk all the way down the stairs and out the door into the full light of day on this.

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