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618660 Posts in 24935 Topics by 3548 Members - Latest Member: leafy October 18, 2017, 12:23:54 AM
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 on: October 17, 2017, 10:07:05 AM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by LostArt
Probyn is playing a strat 12 string.. fender doesnt make a strat 12 string to my knowledge. so who made it i do not know. 

Fender did make a 12 string Stratocaster for a few years ('85 to '96 and reissued from '05 to '09)

They also made a 12 string Telecaster for a short time.

 on: October 17, 2017, 09:52:46 AM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by KDS
I've suggested this before, but how about a Christmas tour?

A short trek through the US from Nov 2018 - early Jan 2019 which sees Brian, Al, Blondie, and the band do a set heavy with tracks from both the BB & BW Christmas albums.   

Sadly, in my neck of the woods, Christmastime is really the only time you hear BB music on a regular basis on the radio.   

Granted, it doesn't have the ticket selling power of Pet Sounds (what in the BB universe really does?), but it's something a little out of the box. 

 on: October 17, 2017, 09:38:22 AM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by HeyJude
Artists of Brian's era and stature often if not usually tie together and album and tour. But tours don't really support/push/sell albums much like they did in the olden days. If anything, it's the other way around for a lot of artists. The album is just a background promotional tool for a tour.

TV appearances can help push an album, and other promotional tools.

But by the time an actual tour gets going, the album attached to it has dropped off the charts (in cases where the album is out before or at the time of the tour's opening), and the tour is its own (and usually *the main*) revenue stream. Brian makes more off touring and VIP packages than he does off album sales for his solo stuff.

Doing a Vegas residency (which I think is relatively different from doing those "Oldies" cruises) would have been perfect for the BB reunion lineup, and it perhaps could work for Brian as well.

I think Brian might just be at another slight career crossroads. No BB reunion in sight. Other than a refurbished "Smile" tour, there isn't much of any touring "concept" to wrap a tour around that will sell a lot of extra tickets. He can still sell a core number of tickets, so some level of touring is always an option. So what does Brian do? Just another album/tour cycle? I'd prefer an album of new stuff to oldies R&R covers, but either way I would imagine he'll sing the stuff on any given album just fine, and then if he tours behind it he'll only do 2-4 songs from any new album.

I think it would be cool to see more concentrated, niche projects see realization. A boxed set of Brian's famous/infamous stuff, call it "The Bedroom Tapes" even if the moniker isn't terribly accurate, is where I think Brian could build up a lot of heavy interest. A boxed set of demos and curios, and wrapping a tour around *that* concept in some general sense, could be cool.

2018 ideally would perhaps see:

-Opening up of the BB archives (studio and live)
-A "Bedroom Tapes" boxed set to beef up interest in *Brian* on the indie scene again
-Separately or together with the "Bedroom Tapes" in some sort larger Brian boxed set, a full release of all the Paley stuff
-If Brian also wants to get an oldies R&R album out of his system, let him do that too. But get someone in there (Was, Thomas, someone) to finally get it done and out.
-A shorter, one-shot tour, perhaps in the fall, working in some new album stuff and more deep cuts, getting Al, Matt, and Blondie (if he's there) even more involved.

 on: October 17, 2017, 08:27:30 AM 
Started by Add Some - Last post by KDS
I was able to convert my wife to much of the music I like, The Beach Boys included.  Granted, she doesn't delve as deep into the catalog as I have, but we danced to GOK at our wedding, and have attended four BW and two M&B (one w/ David Marks) from 2015-6.

 on: October 17, 2017, 08:24:21 AM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by Add Some
I would prefer that Brian NOT tour in 2018.  That said...I just don't see how he can release a new album and not go out to support it.  LOTS of artists these days go to spend a week or 10 days at a resort or onboard a cruise ship and people/fans come to see them at/on THAT chosen locale.  It's being done.  I assume it's successful because it continues to be done.  I just think that there are certain artists who can pull this off at more destinations  than merely Vegas alone.  But perhaps the turnover there, in Nevada specifically, helps to make it work?  I dunno.

What I do know is that Brian will have to be 'on' and in key for the new album tour to make a real impact.  If he can't sing lead on the new songs then there isn't much of a point in doing it.  I doubt he'll be cut the same break this time around.   Why screw with his image and legacy?

 on: October 17, 2017, 08:15:52 AM 
Started by Add Some - Last post by acedecade75
 When I met my future wife, she only knew a handful of the "greatest hits" Beach Boys songs.  I played her "Cuddle Up" and she wanted to hear more.  Now she's as much of a fan as I am.  The music has a power of it's own.

 on: October 17, 2017, 08:09:38 AM 
Started by Add Some - Last post by Add Some
I feel ya Mr. Lonely.  When I began my sojourn of love with the current Mrs. M. she liked a few Beach Boys/Brian songs a little...but not many and not a lot.  When I took her to see the initial N. American tour of SMiLE she enjoyed it but didn't really  know enough of the story to truly appreciate it.  But she's been to a number of shows now and Only With You and God Only Knows were 2 of our 4 wedding songs when we finally officially tied the knot almost 6 years ago.  [Paul Stookey-The Wedding Song and Bob Marley-Turn Your Lights Down Low were the other 2.  She loved the Pet Sounds concert last month in Kitchener.

It takes time but you've got a ton of excellent ammunition to help win the day...and win HER over.  Just let Brian and the Boys dole out the magic... ... ...and PRESTO!!!

 on: October 17, 2017, 07:48:15 AM 
Started by MrRobinsonsFather - Last post by Mike Garneau
According to Tony Iommi in his book Iron Man/My Journey Through Heaven And Hell With Black Sabbath...on page 103....

The Beach Boys came to see us one night and I didn't know what they looked like. I was coming out of the dressing room and somebody walked up to me and said: 'Can I come in and see the rest of the guys?' 'No, no, there's nobody allowed in the dressing room.' It was a little embarrassing afterwards, when I found out he was a Beach Boy.

 on: October 17, 2017, 07:41:27 AM 
Started by Watamushi(Polly Poller) - Last post by Mike Garneau


It's a great track! Carl sounds a bit strained though.

 on: October 17, 2017, 06:33:32 AM 
Started by HeyJude - Last post by HeyJude
If the idea is to use the same basic touring model, but do blocks of three shows at one venue/city instead of three shows at three different venues/cities, then I suppose they *could* do that in select markets.

But I'm not sure how many markets, especially without the sales hook of a "Pet Sounds" show, could sustain a three-night stand in the same market.

Then there is also the issue, on the fan side of things, of how easy it would be to catch a Brian show if he narrows the markets he hits. To be clear, I'm not one of the "Mike's tour is awesome because he hits every fair and festival and cook-off within a five mile radius of where I live" sort of advocates. Part of being into a more prestige artist like Brian is that *sometimes* you've got to haul your carcass into "the city" to see him. But if you look at recent Brian schedules, he has done a pretty good amount of Midwest/south, etc. sort of "secondary markets." That's not happening in the "three night stand in large markets" model.

On the other hand, if the idea is instead to do whatever shows in whatever town, but then put in large (e.g. 10 day) breaks between runs of three cities/shows, then we're back to whether logistically that could work.

56 shows per year is *much cheaper* and easier to plan/schedule/rehearse/contract musicians if they do a straight 56-show tour over the span of three months or so, rather than spreading it out over eight months.

I don't want to downplay how rest can help most any artist, and certainly Brian. When I've caught shows after a day or two break rather than catching the third show in three nights, I do think the energy level is up usually. But I also think that Brian's clear antipathy in continuing to perform the entirety of "Pet Sounds" has been far more noticeable than his general dip in energy in previous years when he's had to do three or even four nights in a row. In other words, his third night in a row singing "Dance Dance Dance" has often still had more energy and enthusiasm than his performance of "You Still Believe In Me" after several days rest.

I honestly think it's quite possible that 2018 will be a very light year of touring (perhaps no actual full-on "tour" at all) due to, among other reasons, that he has saturated the market pretty well in the last two years. Frankly, I'm fine if he dials it back. One of the main reasons I did seeing him tour more rigorously is that it gives us a chance to see and hear Al who, for whatever reason, lost interest after "Beach Boys Family & Friends" was shot down in 1999 in every launching any significant number of his own live dates. Even with only a handful of leads per night, seeing Al (and Matt) with Brian's band has been more exciting than Al's random one-off gigs with Dean Torrence and the "Surf City All Stars." (No offence to those outfits; I would have seen Al and Dave and Dean if they had *ever* played a gig anywhere near me, and/or with any decent amount of publicity). 

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