What "commemorative releases" should we expect for the 50th anniversary?

[Ron]

And... my "status" ?  My "stature" ?  You really believe that sh*t, don't you ?

What is not to believe, Lord?

I'm not the Lord, I'm a very naughty boy.

Just my opinion.  AGD can be a complete jerk sometimes, and incredibly annoying, but it's easy to see he does what he does out of passion, not out of hate.  He loves the band, loves the members of the band, loves their music, and loves the fans.  Sometimes he's abrasive as hell, though.  So weigh it all in all, and maybe he's human like the rest of us, lol.

Phil on the other hand is just a dick for the sake of being a dick.  If there's a negative way to look at something, he'll take that view of it.  That gets old really quick.  I'd take 1000 AGD "I told you so's" or "I know a secret you don't know!" 's before I'd take 1 of Phils Eeyore moments. 

[John Manning]

Even during those years(mid-1965-mid-1975) when Brian was (almost always) absent from the live shows, and then again from the mid-1990's to date, The Beach Boys onstage (even without Brian Wilson) have largely been a vehicle for the music of Brian Wilson. Who amongst you would deny that? Do you think that the touring boys would be a viable concert attraction if they had to go onstage and perform no Brian Wilson music?

As for all the arguing that's been going on here about a possible "Greatest Hits" release(and the secrecy around it, this ain't "Smile" ya' know.), it's absurd, and certainly not worth arguing over. We've got all of the songs, and, as I've said, if you look on Amazon.com, Capitol has five 2-CD or 3-CD hits collections on the market already. The only other group that I can think of who has as many(if not more) hits compilation CD's is The Doors. Enough said?

And your point is, caller?

[PhilCohen]

This thing is not really of interest to me any more. Have fun, guys. As I've said, I could burn a 50-song/2-disc  hits set on my own computer, or if I'm too lazy to do that, I see that Amazon.com is offering no less than FIVE 2-CD or 3-CD Beach Boys hits collections. I'll take a look at this board again in six months and see if any of the archival product materializes.

Why do you even come to boards like this?  You're not a fan, comments like "they were only good when Brian participated" and comments about burning your own greatest hits set in place of the official Capitol Release prove it. 

You have succeeded in provoking me to briefly return. Let me give you a quote from Dennis Wilson. He was speaking about the touring Beach Boys members. He said "Brian Wilson IS The Beach Boys. We're his messengers."

And as for those who wonder why I keep my cool and I hold my ground without responding to Mr.Doe by being nasty or mean, that's not my style. And besides, Mr.Doe's stature(as operator of a Beach Boys statistics website) entitles him to engage in types of behavior which would get any of us banished. Mr.Doe's stature is the reason why I was banished from the IMWAN forum, but he wasn't.

Phil, the reason you don't enjoy a lot of the music is because you have a broken place in your soul.  You're too negative for the Beach Boys.  You're not going to find a f*cking OUNCE of negativity, in ANY of their music, much less any of the stuff Brian wrote that you claim to enjoy.  Even when he's singing about dying there's optimism in it. 

Everything you post is full of cynicism, dread, and negativity.  How you claim to be a fan of one of the most positive, upbeat, beautiful, inspired by God bands that ever existed blows my mind.

In short: Get with the program. 

There's plenty that's positive in The Beach Boys' music, but behind the Beach Boys' public personas, the reality is that there's been lots of negativity(and lawsuits) between the various members, and this has an undeniable effect on the lengthy process of bringing Beach Boys archival product to the market.   

 

[Ron]

Yeah! And in your sick twisted world, lets dwell on that, shall we?  Forget anything positive in the music, lets pay attention to the lawsuits, and lawsuits that might happen, and things that might not come out, and blah blah blah. 

Don't you have an umbrella to go stand under somewhere? 

[PhilCohen]

Even during those years(mid-1965-mid-1975) when Brian was (almost always) absent from the live shows, and then again from the mid-1990's to date, The Beach Boys onstage (even without Brian Wilson) have largely been a vehicle for the music of Brian Wilson. Who amongst you would deny that? Do you think that the touring boys would be a viable concert attraction if they had to go onstage and perform no Brian Wilson music?

As for all the arguing that's been going on here about a possible "Greatest Hits" release(and the secrecy around it, this ain't "Smile" ya' know.), it's absurd, and certainly not worth arguing over. We've got all of the songs, and, as I've said, if you look on Amazon.com, Capitol has five 2-CD or 3-CD hits collections on the market already. The only other group that I can think of who has as many(if not more) hits compilation CD's is The Doors. Enough said?

And your point is, caller?

And....

Point number one:Brian Wilson is the most talented Beach Boy. The others were superb singers and performers, but Brian was the composer, producer, arranger and creator of The Beach Boys sound.

Point number two: a freakin' "Greatest Hits" collection is not worth anyone here getting agitated over.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Dennis' actual words - from 1976 -  were "Brian Wilson is the Beach Boys. He is the band. We're his f*cking messengers. He is all of it. Period. We're nothing. He's everything."

As you'll note, when the whole quote is presented, the meaning changes completely. 

And... my "status" ?  My "stature" ?  You really believe that sh*t, don't you ?

Yeah.

Then you're a far, far bigger fool than anyone here already assumed you were.

[Ron]

Phil: Did anybody say Brian wasn't the most talented?  We're just saying only a deaf man would think that there were no good songs after Brian checked out.  OUR POINT is you're not a fan, any fan knows better!  You sound like a 15 year old that just figured out Brian recorded SMiLE.  

[Andrew G. Doe]

Yeah! And in your sick twisted world, lets dwell on that, shall we?  Forget anything positive in the music, lets pay attention to the lawsuits, and lawsuits that might happen, and things that might not come out, and blah blah blah. 

Don't you have an umbrella to go stand under somewhere? 

Ron, remember the rule - don't feed the troll.

[John Manning]

Yeah! And in your sick twisted world, lets dwell on that, shall we?  Forget anything positive in the music, lets pay attention to the lawsuits, and lawsuits that might happen, and things that might not come out, and blah blah blah. 

Don't you have an umbrella to go stand under somewhere? 

Ron, remember the rule - don't feed the troll.

His isn't feeding a troll. We're all giving a needy person the attention he craves. It's care in the community. We're all playing a part. It's beautiful. Soon, Phil will be well and we'll be able to return him to the wild.

[PhilCohen]

Dennis' actual words - from 1976 -  were "Brian Wilson is the Beach Boys. He is the band. We're his f*cking messengers. He is all of it. Period. We're nothing. He's everything."

As you'll note, when the whole quote is presented, the meaning changes completely. 

And... my "status" ?  My "stature" ?  You really believe that sh*t, don't you ?

Yeah.

Then you're a far, far bigger fool than anyone here already assumed you were.

But your stature as a Beach Boys historian apparently exempts you from any normal rules of conduct on this forum and others. You can hurl aggression, insults and belittlement at others and get away with it. If any of the other people on this forum(or at IMWAN) behaved in that way(not that I would want to behave that way), the moderators would never tolerate it. But the rules are different for you, the esteemed historian.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Yeah! And in your sick twisted world, lets dwell on that, shall we?  Forget anything positive in the music, lets pay attention to the lawsuits, and lawsuits that might happen, and things that might not come out, and blah blah blah. 

Don't you have an umbrella to go stand under somewhere? 

Ron, remember the rule - don't feed the troll.

His isn't feeding a troll. We're all giving a needy person the attention he craves. It's care in the community. We're all playing a part. It's beautiful. Soon, Phil will be well and we'll be able to return him to the wild.

As mad as a box of very mad frogs. 

[Ron]

Dennis' actual words - from 1976 -  were "Brian Wilson is the Beach Boys. He is the band. We're his f*cking messengers. He is all of it. Period. We're nothing. He's everything."

As you'll note, when the whole quote is presented, the meaning changes completely. 

And... my "status" ?  My "stature" ?  You really believe that sh*t, don't you ?

Yeah.

Then you're a far, far bigger fool than anyone here already assumed you were.

But your stature as a Beach Boys historian apparently exempts you from any normal rules of conduct on this forum and others. You can hurl aggression, insults and belittlement at others and get away with it. If any of the other people on this forum(or at IMWAN) behaved in that way(not that I would want to behave that way), the moderators would never tolerate it. But the rules are different for you, the esteemed historian.

I gotta call BS on this one.  I snap at people all the time, I've never been banned.  Andrew says things, and sometimes people smart off back to him, none of them get banned either. 

[Ron]

Yeah! And in your sick twisted world, lets dwell on that, shall we?  Forget anything positive in the music, lets pay attention to the lawsuits, and lawsuits that might happen, and things that might not come out, and blah blah blah. 

Don't you have an umbrella to go stand under somewhere? 

Ron, remember the rule - don't feed the troll.

Yeah.  You've known him longer than I have, maybe you already know he's hopeless.  I hate ignoring cancer, though. 

[PhilCohen]

Phil: Did anybody say Brian wasn't the most talented?  We're just saying only a deaf man would think that there were no good songs after Brian checked out.  OUR POINT is you're not a fan, any fan knows better!  You sound like a 15 year old that just figured out Brian recorded SMiLE.  

Yes, there were occasional good songs after Brian withdrew from full-time studio participation, but their commercial heyday ended. My theory is this:you might recall that during the build-up to the aborted 1960's release of "Smile", there was a cartoonist's caricature of The Beach Boys(apparently in a British music newspaper) showing Brian as a puppeteer, and the other Beach Boys as Brian's puppets. I would think that this only increased the insecurities of the others, and that the others then wanted to prove that they too could write songs, and indeed that they could write hits. But, alas this was not a band of equal talents. Dennis & Carl later did develop into competent songwriters by any normal standards, but they didn't have Brian's flair for creating top 40 hits.

The other Beach Boys members should have been happy to have Brian Wilson's leadership and songs, and not tried to rebel against him. It's like, Tom Fogerty, Stu Cook & Doug Clifford should have accepted the idea that their purpose(in Creedence Clearwater Revival) was to be a vehicle for John Fogerty songs.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Dennis' actual words - from 1976 -  were "Brian Wilson is the Beach Boys. He is the band. We're his f*cking messengers. He is all of it. Period. We're nothing. He's everything."

As you'll note, when the whole quote is presented, the meaning changes completely. 

And... my "status" ?  My "stature" ?  You really believe that sh*t, don't you ?

Yeah.

Then you're a far, far bigger fool than anyone here already assumed you were.

But your stature as a Beach Boys historian apparently exempts you from any normal rules of conduct on this forum and others. You can hurl aggression, insults and belittlement at others and get away with it. If any of the other people on this forum(or at IMWAN) behaved in that way(not that I would want to behave that way), the moderators would never tolerate it. But the rules are different for you, the esteemed historian.

Then you know about as much about me as you do about The Beach Boys: I've been suspended from here, The Record Room and requested not to post on the Bloo for a year or so. My alleged "stature" (which you seem to resent deeply) exempts me from nothing. You were banned from IMWAN for cross posting messages I'd made on The Hoff with the intent of stirring it. Why you were banned from the Hoff is public knowledge.

Eh, sorry Ron - breaking my own diktat. Apologies. Won't happen again, and I agree with every word you've said.

[Mike's Beard]

Phil: Did anybody say Brian wasn't the most talented?  We're just saying only a deaf man would think that there were no good songs after Brian checked out.  OUR POINT is you're not a fan, any fan knows better!  You sound like a 15 year old that just figured out Brian recorded SMiLE. 

The other Beach Boys members should have been happy to have Brian Wilson's leadership and songs, and not tried to rebel against him. It's like, Tom Fogerty, Stu Cook & Doug Clifford should have accepted the idea that their purpose(in Creedence Clearwater Revival) was to be a vehicle for John Fogerty songs.

Yes damn those bloody Beach Boys, what were they thinking, carrying on without Brian's full time participation! Everyone knows they should have called it a day back in 1969, retired from showbiz and gone off to to find regular jobs. Then they wouldn't have to suffer the embarrassment today of having blots on their legacy such as 20/20, Sunflower and Holland.

Phil I think you have lost track of what you are arguing about here. I agree with you on your initial point. Personally I have no need for another 'hits' comp and won't be buying it myself either. However as it has been strongly indicated that several other projects are in the works, maybe you could try mustering up a bit of enthusiasm for these instead of your usual bitching?

[18thofMay]

Phil if you have someone in your corner please get them to throw in the towell.

[PhilCohen]

Phil: Did anybody say Brian wasn't the most talented?  We're just saying only a deaf man would think that there were no good songs after Brian checked out.  OUR POINT is you're not a fan, any fan knows better!  You sound like a 15 year old that just figured out Brian recorded SMiLE. 

The other Beach Boys members should have been happy to have Brian Wilson's leadership and songs, and not tried to rebel against him. It's like, Tom Fogerty, Stu Cook & Doug Clifford should have accepted the idea that their purpose(in Creedence Clearwater Revival) was to be a vehicle for John Fogerty songs.

However as it has been strongly indicated that several other projects are in the works, maybe you could try mustering up a bit of enthusiasm for these instead of your usual bitching?

Maybe if we had something more than the vague descriptions "Commemorative releases" & "Career spanning box set" then there would be reason for enthusiasm, and something for us discuss. For now, the information vacuum has been filled by people using me as a scapegoat for their frustrations.

[hypehat]

Yeah, we're all really taking out our frustration with Capitol out on you. You got us, pal.

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

The fun of an announcement like this is hypothesizing about what the set will include.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Maybe if we had something more than the vague descriptions "Commemorative releases" & "Career spanning box set" then there would be reason for enthusiasm, and something for us discuss. For now, the information vacuum has been filled by people using me as a scapegoat for their frustrations.

No, Phil, you rate yourself much too highly: firstly, we have a go at you not out of frustration with Capitol - check back on these threads - but because 1) you're very, very boring in your constant prognostications of doom, and 2) we've been here before, last year with the big Smile box, and we all recall what a complete disaster that was. As with the big box, there's only one person displaying any frustration with the situation, and that's you. The entirely understandable irritation we do feel is not towards Capitol, but towards you, for constantly bringing everyone down whenever you appear wailing the same old threadbare plaint that no-one's saying anything and that's because the whole project is collapsing. It's not. So please, go away and be boring somewhere else. Anywhere else. See, if you don't like being used as a scapegoat, stay out of sight.

[18thofMay]

Phil: Did anybody say Brian wasn't the most talented?  We're just saying only a deaf man would think that there were no good songs after Brian checked out.  OUR POINT is you're not a fan, any fan knows better!  You sound like a 15 year old that just figured out Brian recorded SMiLE. 

The other Beach Boys members should have been happy to have Brian Wilson's leadership and songs, and not tried to rebel against him. It's like, Tom Fogerty, Stu Cook & Doug Clifford should have accepted the idea that their purpose(in Creedence Clearwater Revival) was to be a vehicle for John Fogerty songs.

However as it has been strongly indicated that several other projects are in the works, maybe you could try mustering up a bit of enthusiasm for these instead of your usual bitching?

Maybe if we had something more than the vague descriptions "Commemorative releases" & "Career spanning box set" then there would be reason for enthusiasm, and something for us discuss. For now, the information vacuum has been filled by people using me as a scapegoat for their frustrations.

What a joke

[Mike's Beard]

Phil: Did anybody say Brian wasn't the most talented?  We're just saying only a deaf man would think that there were no good songs after Brian checked out.  OUR POINT is you're not a fan, any fan knows better!  You sound like a 15 year old that just figured out Brian recorded SMiLE. 

The other Beach Boys members should have been happy to have Brian Wilson's leadership and songs, and not tried to rebel against him. It's like, Tom Fogerty, Stu Cook & Doug Clifford should have accepted the idea that their purpose(in Creedence Clearwater Revival) was to be a vehicle for John Fogerty songs.

However as it has been strongly indicated that several other projects are in the works, maybe you could try mustering up a bit of enthusiasm for these instead of your usual bitching?

Maybe if we had something more than the vague descriptions "Commemorative releases" & "Career spanning box set" then there would be reason for enthusiasm, and something for us discuss. For now, the information vacuum has been filled by people using me as a scapegoat for their frustrations.

The only one showing frustration is you Phil. Over what exactly, none of us can quite fantom. A Smile sessions box is announced - you bitch. Multiple commemorative releases for the 50th are announced - you bitch. A new reunion album is announced - you bitch. Are you  actually a fan of this band?

[PhilCohen]

I'm not saying, claiming or predicting that Capitol isn't going release a 2-CD hits collection, a commemorative box set or possiblly other archival releases. But what i am saying, is if we had something more than that vague description of that product, we'd have something genuinely worth discussing here.

[drbeachboy]

Phil, you need to acquire some patience. All in good time, all in good time.