What "commemorative releases" should we expect for the 50th anniversary?

[PhilCohen]

But, if consumer interest in these projects quiets down to near total silence, does that really benefit Capitol's interests? At this point, there really nothing to discuss without some vague description of what these projects are.

Capitol, surely, doesn't care and doesn't have to. Consumer interest can be created if need be. The consumer ultimately doesn't matter - profits are where it's at.

Unless consumers know about the product and purchase it, there are no profits.

[SMiLE Brian]

Oh well, there's a number of other artists releasing expanded archival CD's over the next 4 months, and these artists, groups or surviving group members are already revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's. I'll turn my attention towards those artists' releases. At least for those releases, there is something for those artists' fans to discuss.

Good for you, maybe you would like to run along onto these 'other artists' message boards?

That is, if those artists had message boards.

Why come here?, You don't like The Beach Boys or anybody here on this board...

[Jim V.]

Phil, you are aware of the release The SMiLE Sessions, correct? Well, they just f*cking released it a few months ago. I think it is ok if they wait a little bit to announce some new stuff, especially if that stuff isn't gonna be released for a little while. Just chill out.

Plus, you say that hardly have anything good left to put out anyways? So what do you care? You shouldn't be excited about any upcoming releases anyways.

But when Mark Linett was asked(on the Icon Fetch interviews) if there was any more unreleased 1960's Beach Boys material, he mentioned the possibility of doing some stereo remixes of previously mono songs. He didn't say that there is any further unreleased material from the 1960's.

Well. I wasn't aware their career ended in 1969. I was pretty sure they had some pretty freakin' good unreleased material all the way up to 1995.

[PhilCohen]

Phil, you are aware of the release The SMiLE Sessions, correct? Well, they just f*cking released it a few months ago. I think it is ok if they wait a little bit to announce some new stuff, especially if that stuff isn't gonna be released for a little while. Just chill out.

Plus, you say that hardly have anything good left to put out anyways? So what do you care? You shouldn't be excited about any upcoming releases anyways.

But when Mark Linett was asked(on the Icon Fetch interviews) if there was any more unreleased 1960's Beach Boys material, he mentioned the possibility of doing some stereo remixes of previously mono songs. He didn't say that there is any further unreleased material from the 1960's.

Well. I wasn't aware their career ended in 1969. I was pretty sure they had some pretty freakin' good unreleased material all the way up to 1995.

But, it was during the 1960's when the involvement of the very brilliant Brian Wilson was at its peak; the era that produced the group's most popular and beloved songs. Those songs are the basis of the group's career to this day. There were some(occasional) good songs after that period, but only when Brian decided to participate.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Oh well, there's a number of other artists releasing expanded archival CD's over the next 4 months, and these artists, groups or surviving group members are already revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's. I'll turn my attention towards those artists' releases. At least for those releases, there is something for those artists' fans to discuss.

Again, you fundamentally have no idea how big business works. You act as if you, as a consumer, are rewarding companies because they are pleasing you in some way, by "revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's." The fact is, no big business is interested in pleasing you whatsoever. They couldn't care less about you. If a company purposefully reveals information, they are doing because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long term. If a company does not waste time, manpower, attention, etc. in doing that, it's also because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long run. The company is not particularly interested in whether somebody decides for whatever reason not to buy the product. They care only about maximum profits.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

But, if consumer interest in these projects quiets down to near total silence, does that really benefit Capitol's interests? At this point, there really nothing to discuss without some vague description of what these projects are.

Capitol, surely, doesn't care and doesn't have to. Consumer interest can be created if need be. The consumer ultimately doesn't matter - profits are where it's at.

Unless consumers know about the product and purchase it, there are no profits.

There is a tour coming up where there will inevitably be a place to buy the CD. The CD will inevitably be promoted by the tour itself both from what is said at the live concerts as well as the attention that the band will get from all sorts of media sources. Furthermore, because The Beach Boys are fairly high profile, the CD will most likely occupy a fairly prominent place in the music store when it is released. Barring that, like I said, if a company is making profits elsewhere, it can just put something out there (like, say, a fairly cheap to make compilation CD) that functions not for people to buy it, but to keep the brand name in the public consciousness.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Phil, you are aware of the release The SMiLE Sessions, correct? Well, they just f*cking released it a few months ago. I think it is ok if they wait a little bit to announce some new stuff, especially if that stuff isn't gonna be released for a little while. Just chill out.

Plus, you say that hardly have anything good left to put out anyways? So what do you care? You shouldn't be excited about any upcoming releases anyways.

But when Mark Linett was asked(on the Icon Fetch interviews) if there was any more unreleased 1960's Beach Boys material, he mentioned the possibility of doing some stereo remixes of previously mono songs. He didn't say that there is any further unreleased material from the 1960's.

Well. I wasn't aware their career ended in 1969. I was pretty sure they had some pretty freakin' good unreleased material all the way up to 1995.

But, it was during the 1960's when the involvement of the very brilliant Brian Wilson was at its peak; the era that produced the group's most popular and beloved songs. Those songs are the basis of the group's career to this day. There were some(occasional) good songs after that period, but only when Brian decided to participate.

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I have to disagree with this statement completely. I'd say there were several "Brian-less" high points post 1969.

Trader
Feel Flows
California Saga
Only With You
Big Sur
Steamboat
Full Sail
Goin South
Keepin The Summer Alive
Kokomo
Somwhere Near Japan
Love Surrounds Me
Sumahama
Lookin At Tomorrow
Long Promised Road
I Can Hear Music
Leaving This Town
All This Is That
Lady Lynda
Baby Blue
Slip On Through
Forever
Cuddle Up
Disney Girls
Getcha Back

To name a few.......

[PhilCohen]

Oh well, there's a number of other artists releasing expanded archival CD's over the next 4 months, and these artists, groups or surviving group members are already revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's. I'll turn my attention towards those artists' releases. At least for those releases, there is something for those artists' fans to discuss.

Again, you fundamentally have no idea how big business works. You act as if you, as a consumer, are rewarding companies because they are pleasing you in some way, by "revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's." The fact is, no big business is interested in pleasing you whatsoever. They couldn't care less about you. If a company purposefully reveals information, they are doing because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long term. If a company does not waste time, manpower, attention, etc. in doing that, it's also because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long run. The company is not particularly interested in whether somebody decides for whatever reason not to buy the product. They care only about maximum profits.

If nobody buys the disc, what profits are there for Capitol?

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Oh well, there's a number of other artists releasing expanded archival CD's over the next 4 months, and these artists, groups or surviving group members are already revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's. I'll turn my attention towards those artists' releases. At least for those releases, there is something for those artists' fans to discuss.

Again, you fundamentally have no idea how big business works. You act as if you, as a consumer, are rewarding companies because they are pleasing you in some way, by "revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's." The fact is, no big business is interested in pleasing you whatsoever. They couldn't care less about you. If a company purposefully reveals information, they are doing because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long term. If a company does not waste time, manpower, attention, etc. in doing that, it's also because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long run. The company is not particularly interested in whether somebody decides for whatever reason not to buy the product. They care only about maximum profits.

If nobody buys the disc, what profits are there for Capitol?

Sometimes releasing an album is as much as an investment as, say, promotion or, in fact, releasing an album is in and of itself promotion. You have to understand, though, how branding works, what its purpose is, etc.

[Paulos]

Oh well, there's a number of other artists releasing expanded archival CD's over the next 4 months, and these artists, groups or surviving group members are already revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's. I'll turn my attention towards those artists' releases. At least for those releases, there is something for those artists' fans to discuss.

Again, you fundamentally have no idea how big business works. You act as if you, as a consumer, are rewarding companies because they are pleasing you in some way, by "revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's." The fact is, no big business is interested in pleasing you whatsoever. They couldn't care less about you. If a company purposefully reveals information, they are doing because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long term. If a company does not waste time, manpower, attention, etc. in doing that, it's also because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long run. The company is not particularly interested in whether somebody decides for whatever reason not to buy the product. They care only about maximum profits.

If nobody buys the disc, what profits are there for Capitol?

What the....? This is incredible, are you actually suggesting that absolutely no-one would buy a new Beach Boys CD, compilation or otherwise? Your latest posts are just a continuation of your pitiful whining in the build up to the Smile Sessions release and your ceaseless negativity is just plain bizzarre, you seriously need help sir, you are operating in a fantasy world.

[PhilCohen]

Oh well, there's a number of other artists releasing expanded archival CD's over the next 4 months, and these artists, groups or surviving group members are already revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's. I'll turn my attention towards those artists' releases. At least for those releases, there is something for those artists' fans to discuss.

Again, you fundamentally have no idea how big business works. You act as if you, as a consumer, are rewarding companies because they are pleasing you in some way, by "revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's." The fact is, no big business is interested in pleasing you whatsoever. They couldn't care less about you. If a company purposefully reveals information, they are doing because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long term. If a company does not waste time, manpower, attention, etc. in doing that, it's also because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long run. The company is not particularly interested in whether somebody decides for whatever reason not to buy the product. They care only about maximum profits.

If nobody buys the disc, what profits are there for Capitol?

What the....? This is incredible, are you actually suggesting that absolutely no-one would buy a new Beach Boys CD, compilation or otherwise? Your latest posts are just a continuation of your pitiful whining in the build up to the Smile Sessions release and your ceaseless negativity is just plain bizzarre, you seriously need help sir, you are operating in a fantasy world.

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, that if no one knows that a new CD is about to be released(whether it's a hits compilation, a new studio recording or an archival rarities collection), then how will consumers know there's a CD to seek out, whether from a local store or online dealer. Of course people will buy a Beach Boys CD....if they know that such a CD exists, if the record company wants to build some advance "buzz", if they want the public to know that such a CD is being released.  If Capitol is going to release a CD or CD's, I assume that they DO want people to buy them. They're in business to sell stuff, after all. I don't "get" the strategy of "anti-promotion".

[Paulos]

Oh well, there's a number of other artists releasing expanded archival CD's over the next 4 months, and these artists, groups or surviving group members are already revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's. I'll turn my attention towards those artists' releases. At least for those releases, there is something for those artists' fans to discuss.

Again, you fundamentally have no idea how big business works. You act as if you, as a consumer, are rewarding companies because they are pleasing you in some way, by "revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's." The fact is, no big business is interested in pleasing you whatsoever. They couldn't care less about you. If a company purposefully reveals information, they are doing because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long term. If a company does not waste time, manpower, attention, etc. in doing that, it's also because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long run. The company is not particularly interested in whether somebody decides for whatever reason not to buy the product. They care only about maximum profits.

If nobody buys the disc, what profits are there for Capitol?

What the....? This is incredible, are you actually suggesting that absolutely no-one would buy a new Beach Boys CD, compilation or otherwise? Your latest posts are just a continuation of your pitiful whining in the build up to the Smile Sessions release and your ceaseless negativity is just plain bizzarre, you seriously need help sir, you are operating in a fantasy world.

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, that if no one knows that a new CD is about to be released(whether it's a hits compilation, a new studio recording or an archival rarities collection), then how will consumers know there's a CD to seek out, whether from a local store or online dealer. Of course people will buy a Beach Boys CD....if they know that such a CD exists, if the record company wants to build some advance "buzz", if they want the public to know that such a CD is being released.  If Capitol is going to release a CD or CD's, I assume that they DO want people to buy them. They're in business to sell stuff, after all. I don't "get" the strategy of "anti-promotion".

Wow, now you seem to be suggesting that Capitol are going to go to the trouble and expense of compiling a new CD release...and then not tell anyone about it, incredible.

Clearly, in the Beach Boys 50th Anniverary year, there are going to be new releases of some kind, they even said so in the initial announcement, and when they have formalized these releases they will let us know, simple as that!

You seem to still be (wrongly) upset with Capitol over The Smile Sessions because they didn't provide daily updates as to when the set would come out and what it would contain and you are carrying this on now, please stop, you are just embarrasing yourself again. 

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Hey, I understand the point Phil is trying to make, and I more than understand what Rocknroll and Paulos are saying. But let's not act like record companies haven't ever F#*ked up before! It's a valid thing to wonder why no product has been announced with a reunion imminent!

However The Beach Boys are what I can imagine Capital would consider a "long term investment" and one (or a few) particular CD collections/whatever not selling very well initially (or at all) would mean little in the long run.

[Andrew G. Doe]

They're in business to sell stuff, after all. I don't "get" the strategy of "anti-promotion".

Worked a treat with TSS: announce it's going to happen, say nothing for a few months, release the track list, say nothing for a bit more, set up interviews, podcasts and features, release it and watch it chart at #27 to glowing reviews.

Oh, sorry, forgot "keep an eye on the fan forums". 

TSS was never about mega sales: as with TPSS, it was also about prestige.

[PhilCohen]

This thing is not really of interest to me any more. Have fun, guys. As I've said, I could burn a 50-song/2-disc  hits set on my own computer, or if I'm too lazy to do that, I see that Amazon.com is offering no less than FIVE 2-CD or 3-CD Beach Boys hits collections. I'll take a look at this board again in six months and see if any of the archival product materializes.

[shelter]

Phil is a troll who just wants to annoy everybody.

Yeah, isn't that pretty obvious?

[SMiLE Brian]

Phil is a troll who just wants to annoy everybody.

Yeah, isn't that pretty obvious?

Just have to remind people that if they try to reason with him.

[shelter]

Phil is a troll who just wants to annoy everybody.

Yeah, isn't that pretty obvious?

Just have to remind people that if they try to reason with him.

Indeed. I don't see why they even bother.

[Shady]

This thing is not really of interest to me any more. Have fun, guys. As I've said, I could burn a 50-song/2-disc  hits set on my own computer, or if I'm too lazy to do that, I see that Amazon.com is offering no less than FIVE 2-CD or 3-CD Beach Boys hits collections. I'll take a look at this board again in six months and see if any of the archival product materializes.

Or you could just come back in one month and see what amazing career spanning box set were getting

[Jim V.]

This thing is not really of interest to me any more. Have fun, guys. As I've said, I could burn a 50-song/2-disc  hits set on my own computer, or if I'm too lazy to do that, I see that Amazon.com is offering no less than FIVE 2-CD or 3-CD Beach Boys hits collections. I'll take a look at this board again in six months and see if any of the archival product materializes.

Phil, you are an idiot. You really are. They announced a box set, which I'm assuming will come out, probably this fall. Considering they just put one out, I can't blame them for waiting for a bit. And why are you so concerned about a new "best of" album? Assuming you are a fan, as you say, wouldn't you already have enough copies of those songs?

Also, your reasoning about the post 1960's material being not as good shows a lack of knowledge about The Beach Boys. I would reason to say that you could probably make 2 to 3 really good albums of the material that is in the vaults still. And yes, that would include a lot of Brian material, even though, according to you, he hasn't been functional since around 1968.

[The Shift]

Phil's deliberately arguing himself into a corner, with the exit hatch being "I'm not going to talk to your for six months".

On past experience, if Capitol issued artwork, tracklist and a release date for anything, his new tack would be "Yes, Capitol might say  that but they won't release it."

Or he'd moan that because they hadn't listed the individual track times, or song writing credits, and that must mean they didn't really intend to release it.

This is the guy who proposed a boycott of Beach Boys product because they didn't tell him anything about the contents of the SMiLE box until, erm, they released the SMiLE box.

This is the guy who hears the phrase "Black is Black" and assumes that, because someone's saying it is, it cannot be the truth.

I wish we could ignore him but he's the ultimate troll – it's impossible to resist having a go.

I'm no longer convinced this is the same Phil Cohen who has some association with BigO; the guy who posts here is a twerp with nothing better to do than while away his days posting denying everything.

[Mike's Beard]

This thing is not really of interest to me any more. Have fun, guys. As I've said, I could burn a 50-song/2-disc  hits set on my own computer, or if I'm too lazy to do that, I see that Amazon.com is offering no less than FIVE 2-CD or 3-CD Beach Boys hits collections. I'll take a look at this board again in six months and see if any of the archival product materializes.

Oh noooooooo! Pleeeease staaaaay!!   

[Mr. Wilson]

GOODBYE PHIL..! Thanks to Eric H for printing a list of songs for Phil.!.. Thanks to AGD for his list also..So i dont have to do it. One thing i"d like to point out on AGD"S list.. In USA we have  another chart called Adult Contemporary Music...Many of those BB singles charted much higher on that chart. Heck BW song IMAGINATION charted much better on AC than top 100 chart . I still hear that song 14 yrs later on a semi regular basis..And Phil stating  after 69 BB output wasnt  much unless BW was involved..! HUH..!.??... That demeans the talents of the rest of the group..Also back in the day {60"s 70"s 80"s} music was considered ART.. It isnt that way anymore sadly. Sunflower Surfs Up CATP Holland were more artistic statements . Phil is obviously To young + immature  to understand this..Carl Wilson is responsible for anything SMILE being released from 69-93.. He is the one that pulled out the tapes along with Steve Desper.
But to Phil CW is a minor talent..!!..JEEZ..!

[Mike's Beard]

Also apparently that Dennis Wilson character was a no talent hack who couldn't write a decent song without the help of his older brother.

[b00ts]

It is obvious that whatever clamoring there was for the possible 2012 CD product, was largely confined to forums such as this one, and even this clamoring has mostly quieted down. Certainly, this clamoring was never in any way equivalent to the intense interest which was generated in the months & seasons preceding the release of the "Smile Sessions" product. This now very quiet situation should send a telling message to Capitol.

If Capitol wants to keep consumer interest (in these forthcoming products) alive, then the ball is in Capitol's court.

I'm still clamoring for a possible 2012 CD product and a lot of other BB fans are clamoring for it too, if more people were clamoring and got on board with the clamoring for a possible 2012 CD product then Capitol execs might consider our clamoring and say 'Hey, there are lots of Beach Boys fans clamoring for a possible 2012 CD product on the world renowned Smiley Smile message board which is famous for it's clamoring, maybe the general public are also clamoring for a possible CD product too, we should respect their clamoring!'. Clearly, clamoring for a possible 2012 CD product is the way foward people.

It's funny... I doubt Phil has ever clamored in his life. I'm sure AGD has before, but he no longer finds any need to clamor. Clam clam clamor stammor jammor clamor.

Belvront. That is all.