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Forget the reunion album--I'm far more excited about the 50th anniversary releases that Capitol is expected to put out.  Supposedly a "career-spanning" box set is in the works, as is another greatest hits compilation.  Can we expect any deluxe editions of any of their albums (hopefully *not* Pet Sounds, although it is inevitable).  There was talk of a stereo version of "Wild Honey" being released; not sure if it's just the song or the album of the same name.  What else should we expect?

I'm far, far from the most knowledgeable member of this board, but my recollection is that the talk of a stereo wild honey was not actually reflective of any planned release.  What Mark and Alan were talking about was how they found the 67 version of Surf's Up, and they were saying was that they had been generally going through the entire catalogue to figure out what they had to work with, in terms of future releases and particularly future stereo remixes, and the reason Wild Honey in specific was mentioned was because they found Smile stuff on those tapes, not because Wild Honey in particular was planned for anything.

The new album is the biggest thing in my mind at this point. But for catalogue releases I more than once mentioned that I'd love to have the '65 Chicago concert. That's on top of my list. I also would like to see a CD (or two) with all the single mixes that were different to the album mixes and aren't available. California saga, It's ok, Here comes the night '78 and Rock and roll music appeared on the Best Of The Brother Years.

I want the complete box set of their entire catalog in mini-LP reproduction packaging. 

1. Live box set, spanning 50 years (including Chicago '65, Michigan '66, Hawaii and New York '67, Paris '68, Carnegie '72, Red Barn Unplugged '93, etc.).
2. Wild Honey (and Smiley Smile) in stereo with boner tracks.
3. Scrape the barrel and release another Endless Harmony/Hawthorne set (emphasizing the Brother years).
4. Greatest Hits comp with more titles in stereo that haven't been released and "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again".

Been dreaming about that live box....

Think of the tackiest thing you can imagine and then add a surf board ;)

Seriously, I'm expecting the usual stuff, tee shirts with the reunion logo on them, re-issued albums, all with a prominent reunion sticker on all the front of the cases (stuff like the SMiLE sessions will have the sticker added on them too). How I would do it would be release Two albums a week (priced reasonably, not £15 like the Beatles reissues) starting ASAP, that's 14 weeks, and on the 15th week after loads of hype and coverage of the tour they release the new album.

OR they could do what Sparks done with their reissues, perform a song or two from each album in concert and after the tour re-release the albums with these new live versions added as a couple of the bonus tracks.

Wouldn't be surprised if they added the sticker on all the Full House DVD sets too.

Been dreamin' bout them boner tracks  :lol

I'd prefer another Endless Harmony or Hawthorne set over  rereleasing all the individual albums with a couple bonus tracks.

I really hope we get a few live releases from the vaults.

I'm happy to pay the going rate if it's done right. Good packaging, good bonus tracks, top mastering, remixing where called for…  If the Beatles packages had been remixed (I'm talking proper stereo), they'd've been worth even more than we paid for them.

A live 70's box would be my dream. They recorded many shows from 1972-1973 not to mention the Beachago shows from 1975. Or maybe the Complete Mike Love & Adrian Baker Sessions Box Set. Nah.....

Adult Child?



 ;D

Dreaming and boner tracks kinda go hand in hand, John.  :P

I think a DVD with their TV appearances would be great

How 'bout Luxemborg. As in Radio Luxemborg?  Both New Jersey and Bumfuct, North Dakota were other good live ones from '74.

You know, I use to be all for the Beachago shows. Still am. One of the best Beach Boys concerts I ever saw. But since this new Chicago live release just came out (with the Chicago/Beach boys recorded in 1975 but the Beach Boys cut out) I just wonder if that's the only thing close to a Beachago concert that's going to come out. Not sure why the Beach Boys were edited out of the mix (contractual issues?) but anyway I think the way to go is to include Beachago tracks in the Beach Boys live box, with just the highlights - the best stuff with the Chicago horn section and "Wishing You Were Here" and "Saturday In The Park" and "Darlin'" and stuff like that with both bands on stage. That's all that's needed, not necessarily an entire Beachago concert. But since this new Chicago live release came out with no Beach Boys vocals heard on it, I wonder if we would be able to get both bands recorded live together. Maybe not.

I wondered if they were holding back on the BBs set for a 50th anniversary release.

Also, I assume the 1975 Wembley gig was recorded from the soundboard, as the Elton John segment has already been released as part of the Captain Fantastic & the Brown Dirt Cowboy deluxe edition.   That show has such a fantastic reputation; would love to hear whether it's justified.

Update: according to an eye-witness customer review on Amazon.uk, the gig was filmed as well…  Fingers crossed!

Isn't that this show? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRbBPhodF4Q

Pretty sure that clip's from an earlier show as Blondie and Ricky had left the band by '75.

Eric's excellent gig archive:
http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/6-21-75.html

The clip is more likely June 3, 1972, Crystal Palace Bowl, London, the line-up of which also featured Elton John, among others. (as reported at AGD's Bellagio site; to quote: "Broadcast on June 28th by NBC TV as 'Good Vibrations from London', with four songs from the BB. Elton John guested on the encore.").

So there's another potential anniversary release!

What's struck me while looking the gigs up is the set list from the Wembley gig. This was the set list supposedly full of hits that blew Elton, the Eagles etc off stage.

Yes, it has hits included, but also Sail On Sailor, The Trader, Surf´s Up, California Saga/California & You Are So Beautiful (then a pretty new song).

Among the hits played are Wouldn´t It Be Nice, I Can Hear Music, Heroes & Villains, Don´t Worry Baby, & Darlin´.

Then there's the staples  - Sloop John B, California Girls & Good Vibes – and the encore guarantees – I Get Around, Surfin´ USA, Barbara Ann, Fun, Fun, Fun.

I'd be happy to hear them play that set list this year.

Ah, '75. Missed that....  I'm getting slow in my old age.

That would be great. Yet it would be complicated to acquire the rights for publishing from the various holders of rights (TV stations or whatever). Don't think that's gonna happen.

Some of that, probably.

Regarding the studio LPs I guess they will just reissue the old 2fers with a reunion sticker on the front (like GuyOnTheBeach said). I don't see a new WILD HONEY mix happening... same goes for SMILEY SMILE.

I'd say I prefer all the albums to be remastered, and have each be released separately instead of in two-fers. I think the two-fer approach kinda undervalues the great work on some of those albums.

I'd assume that since a lot of the albums are so short, they would put bonus tracks on them. Although I would imagine the new box set will have a nice helping of unreleased material.

However, I wouldn't mind a compilation focusing on just unreleased material. Maybe just one disc. Hopefully like 20 to 25 songs. That would be fine with me.

A complete studio albums box set released in stereo is what I'm dreaming about..

If it ends up just being 2 new compilation albums and the new album I'll be devastated  :-\

They should start a bootleg series (a la Bob Dylan) that collects classic concert recordings and rare demos.

I'm of the opinion that they should go as far as to release "three-fers" if they're remastering the albums. I'd squeeze the first three albums, the second set of three albums and Smiley Smile-Wild Honey-Friends all on onc cd each. Today-Summer Nights would be the fourth remaster and the fifth would be 20/20 with all of the bonus tracks from the aforementioned 14 albums (since 20/20 is a catchall LP, anyway).

Those five CDs along with the already released 40th Anniversary of Pet Sounds, the Smile sessions (the two disc) and the Ultimate Christmas CD could all be packaged into one boxed set.


There would then be a 1970's boxed set that mimics the original LP layout with one CD for each album. Each CD would include bonus tracks, so there'd be nine discs, one for each album (including one for Mount Vernon and Fairway) along with a tenth disc of extra material.

Me neither. I can state my preferences though, and that's all I'm doing. I'm also a realist, though. The live box is probably very doable. Not sure about the demand for a Wild Honey album in stereo, other than us hardcores. It's been talked about. Even a legit downloadable would be nice, but probably not gonna happen unfortunately. A Greatest Hits comp is most likely - just asking if they hafta do it, give us some incentive to buy another one by giving us more stereo tracks and and unreleased song or two. As far as re-releasing single Beach Boys albums, I don't see that happening either - if anything 2-fers coming out again would be the way to go for economic reasons. Sure wouldn't mind seeing an 'Obi' Japan release of the individual albums in paper sleeves - that's been successful for other artists. I say release those or the Pastmasters series in the USA. I know, just dreaming about that last part.... 

I think I'm going to have to go with the general consensus here and say career spanning Live Box Set (4 CD's with a bonus DVD included). I would be willing to spend big bucks on it.

See, I don't think a 4CD & DVD box would cover 50 years of live performances. Needs more. For political reasons you can't exclude the Mike & Bruce era, as they've flown the flag for more than a decade as The Beach Boys. I'd be happy with a 50CD series, with one live gig for each year but I doubt that's going to happen. There is, however, an awful lot of recorded shows (and a lot of recorded awful shows) that ought to se the light of day eventually - this might as well be the year, while there's still a market for tangible product.

I think I'm going to have to go with the general consensus here and say career spanning Live Box Set ( 5 CDs with a bonus DVD included). I would be willing to spend bigger bucks on it.
 ;D

Sounds of Summer with a 50th anniversary celebration t shirt according to Amazon.

I'll settle for a series of good T-shirts - cover of Surfin' Safari, SMiLE, Surf's Up - that sort of thing.  And a Brian Wilson bath robe. And a hot girl called Rhonda. Or Caroline. Or Wendy.

And a rarities/outtakes set covering 69-79, of course.

I would like all their albums to be released as single discs with stereo/mono mixes/singles and if room unreleased songs ,new stereo mixes if old ones don't exist or if they can't do ANY stereo mix do "fake stereo" JUST for the songs that can't be remixed into stereo (like they did with the Beatles "capitol records" cd sets),and of course the latter years only stereo,a two or three disc set of all unreleased/rarities from the 60's til the 90's including ALL the songs from various soundtracks,tribute albums,duets etc (Excluding those that are on "Still Cruising" cd re-issue,read below) and a box set with all their songs in chronlogical order (Mono and stereo) without unreleased songs on it.."Still Cruisin" should be re-issued WITHOUT the older tracks and it should have the songs from the 80's and 90's that are out of print.."Sip" should have both american and uk mixes and if room rare songs that are out of print (Like Still Cruisin) but wihtout repeating anything from the 2 or 3 disc box set..there should be NO double dipping with the unreleased songs,all the songs from the first two-fers should be excluded so they can put other unreleased songs and not douple dipping..

You obviously have money to burn.

no I just want to have a choice ,I don't think it would be fair to have JUST a boxset and not the sinlge discs and JUST have the unreleased songs on the expensive box set,so I can pick and choose which single discs I want wihtout having to buy an expensive box set..

The ultimate would be a mono box set and a stereo box set for all of the Beach Beach Boys albums. Just like Capitol did for the Beatles. Too bad it isn't going to happen.

Ill put my expectations + hopes on a live box set and some live DVD releases + A Rarities//Unreleased series..

I'd honestly settle for the twofers being kept in print/remastered (if so, pre-65 in mono, please) and a big rarities collection being released.

Are you sure...? I'm REALLY hoping for this too...and I just...can't accept that it just isn't going to happen.  :-\

Yeah, I'm sure. They could do a mono box, no problem. But to do a stereo box, they need the multi-track tapes. Some of those are missing for albums such as Little Deuce Coupe and Shut Down II.

Just because they're missing some of the multitracks doesn't invalidate the stereo mixes Chuck Britz created in 1963/64.  About the only tracks from those two albums I can think of that can't be released in stereo: A Young Man Is Gone and 409.  Shut Down Vol. 2 can be released in stereo now (the tapes for Denny's Drums and Pom Pom Playgirl were found in 2008), though some tracks would still be "lop-sided".

Yeah, well, now we also have "Don't Worry Baby" and "Why Do Fools Fall In Love" in stereo because the tapes were found recently. But not all of the tapes are around to make a complete stereo album. Sure, suedo stereo mixes can be made of some of them, but it's not like having the multi's to do true stereo releases.

Listening to some of those SOT discs, you can get a feel what some of the tracks might sound like in suedo stereo. I'd like stereo releases of everything of course, but being realistic, it's hit or miss for nice sounding stereo tracks.

Think ill stay over here..No one is arguing about Mike Love.!

I'm not really sure what you mean by "Pseudo" stereo.  The '64 stereo mixes for Don't Worry Baby, Warmth Of The Sun and Keep and Eye On Summer aren't ideally mixed, but they're still in stereo...and they're all we have.  To me, a mono/stereo box would ideally include the BW mono mixes, the Chuck Britz stereo mixes and any modern remixes that can be made using the multitracks as bonus tracks.

Your goal for "a consistent complete album" is frankly unrealistic when accounting for missing tapes and the way BW mixed/recorded many songs.  Just because a stereo mix isn't possible for every song, that shouldn't prevent them from releasing a stereo catalog "where available".

Any tracks that can't be mixed in stereo whatsoever should just use the mono mix instead.  This is exactly the way stereo albums like Little Deuce Coupe and All Summer Long were released back then.  I also think that songs they have the multitrack for but are missing overdubs (like Help Me, Rhonda) should receive "incomplete/alternate" stereo mixes.

If they really get the go-ahead from Capitol to release multi-disc releases of every album why shouldn't they release everything and the kitchen sink?

Nah, I wouldn't want that.

Vintage Stereo Beach Boys albums that did exactly that:

Little Deuce Coupe (409, A Young Man Is Gone)
Shut Down Vol. 2 (Why Do Fools Fall In Love, Denny's Drums)
All Summer Long (I Get Around, All Summer Long, Our Favorite Recording Sessions)
20/20 (Do It Again)

This all or nothing mentality when it comes to archival releases that people are starving for really baffles me.  It makes me glad that they had all the tapes for Pet Sounds and they were willing to release the songs missing overdubs.

Doesn't baffle me at all.  In fact, I have my own stereo comp of all of the remixed songs in stereo.  Sounds great!

Go back to what I proposed earlier in the thread.  A mono box and a stereo box like they did for the Beatles. What would people think if a lot of those tracks in the stereo box were in mono? Would they feel a little ripped off? I would.

That would be a great plan if you really, really wanted to insult the Beach Boys' legacy.

My reply was saying are you sure it's not possible for EITHER of those two. I would gladly accept a mono box set.

Sure, of course I would.  But if I want to listen to the monos, I'll just pull out my Capitol 2-fers and PastMasters and box sets. If they were to remaster all of the albums (with the correct mixes!) in mono, that would give me an incentive to buy all of them again, confirming first that they're the best versions available audio wise.

I have both the mono and stereo Beatles boxes but all I listen to these days are the stereo discs. Pretty much the same way with The Stones, Kinks, and Who albums.

all I'm saying is if there aren't any stereo mixes of certain songs and it can't be done and it's a complete album mono/stereo release than what kind of stereo can they put on the stereo part of the cd or would you just simply leave those songs off the stereo part of the cd and then it wouldn't a complete stereo album?

Erm, those two have received genuine new stereo mixes.

If a complete true stereo album can't be done, I wouldn't try to do it.

And I wouldn't release or re-release anything later than early '81.

There are some songs from the wilderness years that deserve to be stuck on a box set somewhere. eg. It's a Beautiful Day, East Meets West, Chasin' the Sky, Rock and Roll to the Rescue, Make it Big (movie version), Somewhere Near Japan (single mix), Summer in Paradise (U.K. version) etc.

"Warmth Of The Sun" hasn't.

Something like this would be nice:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkqsCCivX-Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkqsCCivX-Y)

Yes!!  And more yes!!  That's the ticket!

Still Cruisin probably deserves a two disc deluxe edition reissue. That album has gone up in standing for a lot of fans over the years and I think we can all admit that tracks 8-10 are definitely three of the best songs they did in their later years....hell, they practically rival the stuff they did in the 60's!

How about Greatest Hits, Volume 4: The Tanner Years (1987-2012)?

Stars and Stripes: Volume II - Mike's Tea Party Demonstration Time?

Welcome back, ghost - we'll soon be rid of you again, I'm thinking.  ::)

I'm not this ghost person and I'm just having a laugh. I'm not a troll.

Rule #1 for trolls - don't feed them.

Rule #2 - if they deny they're a troll, they are.  ;D

S'OK, I'm just having a laugh.

By the way, next month, there's going to be a reissue of "Sounds of Summer" with an added T-shirt. Is that the "commemorative" product Capitol spoke of? What a letdown. But as I have said, if the archival products that many hoped for(or even the 50-song hits compilation that Mr.Doe hinted at) don't materialize, I won't be broken hearted. At least we did get "Smile".

If I want a 50-song 2-disc Beach Boys hits set, I could create one from my own CD collection. Perhaps Mr.Doe could propose a tracklisting similar(or identical) to what Capitol would have released. This would spare Capitol the effort of actually releasing the 50-song collection that Mr.Doe spoke of.

Round 2 between Phil and AGD begins.... :pirate

I don't think this'll be the one, Phil, honestly. This is a little opportunism ahead of the big push, I'm sure.  This is too soon ahead of the tour publicity to cash-in properly, for starters, let alone too far ahead of the summer market.

Bear in mind the growth of download sales, and the fact that this release doesn't exactly lend itself to that medium. They'd be daft to miss out on that market with the new hits package, and there'll be little appetite for an iTunes download version of this Sounds of Summer Merchandise Kit – after all, how the hell is anyone going to be able to download a T-shirt?

Daft. 

I think a new hits album isn't needed. Sounds [And Sights] Of Summer is a very good one. They should get that out again (like it seems they are doing with the T-shirt edition) and promote it. Why should a new hits package sell more ? It's probably the same material after all. The only exception would be new stereo mixes of course but I don't think they would move more records with a new best of otherwise. They should sell Sounds Of Summer (and maybe the new album ?) at the concerts

I absolutely agree. But barely a year has gone by when there hasn't been a new greatest hits package, needed or not.  I think it'll happen.

No, not really. If Capitol proposed a track listing for a 50-track 2-CD hits package, then changed their minds and decided not to issue it, then there would be no harm in Mr.Doe telling us what the track listing would have been. Then we could re-create the set on our own CD burners. Even if Mr.Doe decides not to tell us, we could each easily select our 50 favorite Beach Boys tracks and make a 2-disc set anyhow. It's not a big deal. There's no shortage of Beach Boys hits compilations on the market.

Utterly bizarre...  I'm sure if Andrew knew the track list he, like anyone else here, would have passed comment by now... Especially if it included his favourite Barbara Ann! ;D

Not really. I don't engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed adversary.

And to prove my point to perfection...


The words "confidence" and "trustworthy" just aren't in your dictionary, are they ? Suppose, for the sake of argument, that I was privvy to a proposed track-listing for a 50-song/2CD set (which comment, btw, was entirely off the cuff, not that you'll believe me) via someone involved in the project who'd asked me to keep it to myself, and that said notion was subsequently abandoned, or morphed into something else (just as 40 Top 40s did back in 2003). According to Cohen, that the project will now not come to fruition is all the justification and excuse I'd need to break the confidence shown in my ability to keep something to myself. Of course, as any sentient being would appreciate, what would actually happen is that said source would dry up at warp speed and take several more with it. And that, my friends, is why some folk have these sources, and Phil Cohen doesn't. That's it. No more on this topic. Been there, done that, won the battle.

35 posts in 5 days is pretty much the same thing we had from ghost, though to be fair you haven't yet started trying to convince everyone that Brian is better off on hard drugs or that everything Brian ever did is psychedelic.  :)

Well put AGD 8)
http://www.examiner.com/beach-boys-in-national/sounds-of-summer-the-very-best-of-the-beach-boys

At $20 for a CD and a tshirt (and a nifty box), that's a steal !

(http://www.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/ba/f3/Sounds%20Of%20Summer%20CD%20%26%20T-shirt%20box%20-%20product%20shot_0.JPG)

Sorry folks but that package is pure opportunism - going by that artwork, it's not even a 50th anniversary T ... Probably some left over stock from 2003 when that set was first put out. Great set, but I don't need either a fourth copy or a lame T.

Some 'fan' you are !  :-D

I might have sprung for it had the tee shirt been the 50th Anniversary logo, but not for this shirt. I already have Sounds Of Summer and Sights And Sounds Of Summer. This fan is passing on this first round offering.

But this time, we're not talking about unreleased material. With or without your cooperation, any of us computer owners with a CD burner and a thorough collection of Beach Boys CD's could create a 50-song collection of Beach Boys hits. You're not exactly dealing from a position of power this time. And I have no doubt that if I look on Amazon.com, that Capitol or one of their licensees, somewhere in the world have already released one or more 2-CD or 3-CD Beach Boys collections. I tend not to hold onto Beach Boys compilations unless they have previously unreleased outtakes or remixes, but I used to have a 2-CD Beach Boys hits collection from Toshiba/EMI called "Twin Best 40". After better sounding CD releases of those songs became available, there was no reason to keep that 2-CD set in my collection.

The 50-song set(even if it ends up being released) will have nothing to interest the avid collector. Its reasons for existence are commercial, not artistic. In short, it's "product", and not worth another jousting match with you.

And really, what difference does it make(to Beach Boys CD collectors) whether they release this hits package or not? With the release of the 2-CD & 5-CD "Smile" boxes,  Mr.Doe has become obsolete.

... Brief moment of silence before the cantina crowd return to their drinks...

Leave the poor bastard alone. All he wants to do is talk about The Beach Boys and you guys are calling him out on something he has absolutely no idea about. I thought this place was friendlier.

Whoa their Hypehat, my post wasn't unfriendly! I wasn't accusing him of being the latest incarnation of nobody/so cold i go burr/ghost, I was just saying he has posted quite a lot in a short period since joining which was similar to ghost and then went on to say that he hadn't been posting like ghost - my post even had a smiley on the end to show I was being nice!

In fact reading your post YOU are the one being unfriendly - you called him a poor bastard!  :) :-D ;D (Smileys added to show that this post is lighthearted and merely the result of a misunderstanding).

And to get back on topic I'm sure the Sounds Of Summer + T-Shirt box is merely intended to get the ball rolling for the Celebration and we can expect more stuff to be released around summertime.

I've passed on 'Sounds of...' up until now - I cannot resist a "nifty" box; the t-shirt is just the melted cheese on the toast  :o

Unquestionably the funniest piece of sh*t I've read on this board for months ! You keep thinkin' Butch, that's what you're good at.  ;D

Hey Mr Doe, you've already forgotten that you're not dealing from a position of power. Embrace your obsolescence, accept it humbly and let Mr Cohen's ascensdency achieve its pinnacle. Anyone with a CD burner and access to an Iron-on T-shirt transfer can be a Beach Boys Historian now, and you'd be as well to remember that.

Edit: almost forgot:  ;D. ;D

They should put some uncirculating songs on the new box. I read a while back that Brian had done a recording of himself at the piano singing "In the back of my mind" in 1975. This box could be the only chance we have to finally hear it. Alan Boyd is a very cool dude, he gets to hear it whenever he wants. 8)

Good god that's an ugly tshirt

I'll stick to my black flag one

Boyd is indeed a cool dude – as evidenced by all his good acts to date – and will, I'm sure, do his best to enable us to hear as much (of the best stuff that's not yet circulating, please sir!) as possible

Everyone's assuming Alan will be centrally involved in the C50 reissue program: I sincerely hope this is so, but maybe he got TSS'd out last year and is taking a break (and I wouldn't blame him).

I'm guessing though that no-one knows the vaults like him (and Mark L). I propose that all shore leave be cancelled until the party's over…  ;D

I was a particularly humourless drunk last night, so this probably explains it.  :)

No worries dude, all is as it should be.  :angel:

ehm, yeah, I might even buy that one....

But I'm in a good mood today, just having found that reissue boot of the Carnegie 1972 concert.  ;D (plus a few other goodies I never thought I would find in one day... me loves those small record fairs....)

What I'd like:
2 CD reissues of every album, containing stereo mixes & a contemporary live concert and lots of rarities.

What I wouldn't like:
- An expensive career spanning box set sprinkled with a few previously unreleased tracks
- Another best of!

It is obvious that whatever clamoring there was for the possible 2012 CD product, was largely confined to forums such as this one, and even this clamoring has mostly quieted down. Certainly, this clamoring was never in any way equivalent to the intense interest which was generated in the months & seasons preceding the release of the "Smile Sessions" product. This now very quiet situation should send a telling message to Capitol.

If Capitol wants to keep consumer interest (in these forthcoming products) alive, then the ball is in Capitol's court.

I have to admit this SOS Tee Shirt box is a pretty anemic way to start off a 50th Anniversary Celebration. Leave it to Capitol and The Beach Boys to f*** up a perfect opportunity to kick off such an important historical musical moment.

Hmmm, how to take "business as usual" and turn it into "Honey, I need to spend some time alone for a while..."!

This post is just begging for an AGD reply.

I'm still clamoring for a possible 2012 CD product and a lot of other BB fans are clamoring for it too, if more people were clamoring and got on board with the clamoring for a possible 2012 CD product then Capitol execs might consider our clamoring and say 'Hey, there are lots of Beach Boys fans clamoring for a possible 2012 CD product on the world renowned Smiley Smile message board which is famous for it's clamoring, maybe the general public are also clamoring for a possible CD product too, we should respect their clamoring!'. Clearly, clamoring for a possible 2012 CD product is the way foward people.




















Clamoring.

No point. We all know what the outcome was re: the last major project.  :)

As for the SOS repromotion, I'm pretty sure it's got more to do with getting a triple platinum certification before the C50 project takes off than the 50th anniversary shenanigans: note the tshirt doesn't have the Celebration logo.

Also, someone who doesn't grasp why the anticipation for TSS - the news of which came out of the blue (as planned for the beginning of the project) - would inevitably far outstrip that for a 50th anniversary in both the BB cosmos and the larger rock world probably shouldn't be out in the community, for their own good.

honestly, I don't give a damn what they do. it's not like other bands I like have had 50th anniversaries that I can compare this one to.

Well said. :)

This post is just begging clamoring for an AGD reply.

Phil has bought into one of the biggest myths of capitalist culture which suggests that profit maximization and utility maximization are basically the same thing when in fact, utility maximization is pretty much the opposite of profit maximization.

I get the feeling that's the least of Phil's problems.

But, if consumer interest in these projects quiets down to near total silence, does that really benefit Capitol's interests? At this point, there really nothing to discuss without some vague description of what these projects are.

Capitol, surely, doesn't care and doesn't have to. Consumer interest can be created if need be. The consumer ultimately doesn't matter - profits are where it's at.

But publicity is designed to create public awareness and interest, leading to people buying the product. Capitol seems to not really give a damn this time. Maybe it's because the 5-CD "Smile Sessions" box didn't sell well. Or maybe because EMI & Capitol are in limbo awaiting European & American government approval for the takeover by Universal Music.

I get the sneaky feeling that even if (this time) Mr.Doe told us what he knows of Capitol's plans(if he does know anything), we wouldn't be very excited. We'd be yawning.

Eventually, I will sit down with pencil and paper and create a 2-CD Beach Boys compilation, perhaps with even more than 50 songs. I will focus mainly on the 1960's songs, because there were only a handful of post-1960's hits(at least in the U.S.A.). Don't worry: I won't overlook "Sail on Sailor", "Rock n'Roll Music", "Come Go With Me", "Good Timin' " & "Kokomo"

I think, perhaps, the most reasonable explanation is that they don't have to. Some things require much more publicity than others. Publicity in itself can be costly - how one goes about publicizing is part of a profit-making strategy.

Plus if they are making enough profit in other areas, they could be releasing things just to keep the brand name within the public consciousness.

Did I miss something?  I thought I read (on this board in fact) that TSS did quite well, so much so that a second pressing had to be ordered up.  Sure it wasn't going to sell a million units in January - nothing does anymore - but the word was that Capitol's expectations were happily exceeded, and the sales were far from disappointing.  Is that now considered wrong?   The TSS group of releases is a giganto stinkburger? 

True, assuming big success for TSS doesn't foreshadow a similar monster box set in 2012, nevertheless - big record labels are masters at failing to read the tea leaves, have been for fifteen years now, since Da Intranetz came along.

The total sales of TSS exceeded Capitol's expectations, as did the reviews. They're very happy with the outcome.

You really don't know anything about The Beach Boys, do you ? Post-60s USA Top 100 hits:

2/70     Add Some Music To Your Day  64
10/71    Long Promised Road  89
2/73     Sail On, Sailor  79
5/73     California (On My Way To Sunny Californ-i-a)  84
7/74     Surfin' USA 36 [R]   
3/75     Sail on, Sailor  49 [R]   
5/76     Rock And Roll Music  5
8/76     It's OK  29
8/78     Peggy Sue 59
2/79     Here Comes the Night 44
4/79     Good Timin'/Love Surrounds Me  40
3/80     Goin' On  83
7/81     The Beach Boys Medley 12
11/81   Come Go With Me 18
5/85     Getcha Back 26
8/85     It's Gettin' Late 82
7/86     Rock And Roll To The Rescue  68
8/86     California Dreamin' 57
7/87     Wipe Out (w/Fat Boys) 12
7/88     Kokomo 1
7/89     Still Cruisin'  93

19 Hot 100 hits (excluding the two reissues)... 8 top 40... 4 top 20... and a #1. Quite a handful.  More than most bands manage in a whole career, never mind past their commercial & artistic peak.

You're right on one aspect Phil – I'm yawning!   :lol

What an awesome and hilarious list (c'mon, going from a # 1 directly to a # 93: with an arguably better song! THAT'S what you call a roller coaster of a career)!

It's also amazing to look at that list which is, according to legend, in the horse latitudes/doldrums of the Band's career, and realize just how many current bands/new artists would be backslapping themselves in a frenzy over scoring any one of those chart positions ever in their careers.

Speaking of commemorative releases...  A couple of nights ago I dreamed I saw a handwritten memo similar to the original Wild Honey liner notes that said the proposed Star Line [!] stereo CD of the Wild Honey album was vetoed by Capitol.  I was very bummed, then woke up relieved it was just a dream.  I need to spend less time on this board...

Jeez, Mr Cohen you really are a negative nancy aren't you? Do you need a hug?  :grouphug

Oh well, there's a number of other artists releasing expanded archival CD's over the next 4 months, and these artists, groups or surviving group members are already revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's. I'll turn my attention towards those artists' releases. At least for those releases, there is something for those artists' fans to discuss.

Phil, you are aware of the release The SMiLE Sessions, correct? Well, they just fucking released it a few months ago. I think it is ok if they wait a little bit to announce some new stuff, especially if that stuff isn't gonna be released for a little while. Just chill out.

Plus, you say that hardly have anything good left to put out anyways? So what do you care? You shouldn't be excited about any upcoming releases anyways.

Phil is a troll who just wants to annoy everybody.

Good for you, maybe you would like to run along onto these 'other artists' message boards?

amen.

But when Mark Linett was asked(on the Icon Fetch interviews) if there was any more unreleased 1960's Beach Boys material, he mentioned the possibility of doing some stereo remixes of previously mono songs. He didn't say that there is any further unreleased material from the 1960's.

That is, if those artists had message boards.

Unless consumers know about the product and purchase it, there are no profits.

Why come here?, You don't like The Beach Boys or anybody here on this board...

Well. I wasn't aware their career ended in 1969. I was pretty sure they had some pretty freakin' good unreleased material all the way up to 1995.

But, it was during the 1960's when the involvement of the very brilliant Brian Wilson was at its peak; the era that produced the group's most popular and beloved songs. Those songs are the basis of the group's career to this day. There were some(occasional) good songs after that period, but only when Brian decided to participate.

Again, you fundamentally have no idea how big business works. You act as if you, as a consumer, are rewarding companies because they are pleasing you in some way, by "revealing at least some information about what will be included in these CD's." The fact is, no big business is interested in pleasing you whatsoever. They couldn't care less about you. If a company purposefully reveals information, they are doing because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long term. If a company does not waste time, manpower, attention, etc. in doing that, it's also because they believe that will yield the most profits in the long run. The company is not particularly interested in whether somebody decides for whatever reason not to buy the product. They care only about maximum profits.

There is a tour coming up where there will inevitably be a place to buy the CD. The CD will inevitably be promoted by the tour itself both from what is said at the live concerts as well as the attention that the band will get from all sorts of media sources. Furthermore, because The Beach Boys are fairly high profile, the CD will most likely occupy a fairly prominent place in the music store when it is released. Barring that, like I said, if a company is making profits elsewhere, it can just put something out there (like, say, a fairly cheap to make compilation CD) that functions not for people to buy it, but to keep the brand name in the public consciousness.

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I have to disagree with this statement completely. I'd say there were several "Brian-less" high points post 1969.

Trader
Feel Flows
California Saga
Only With You
Big Sur
Steamboat
Full Sail
Goin South
Keepin The Summer Alive
Kokomo
Somwhere Near Japan
Love Surrounds Me
Sumahama
Lookin At Tomorrow
Long Promised Road
I Can Hear Music
Leaving This Town
All This Is That
Lady Lynda
Baby Blue
Slip On Through
Forever
Cuddle Up
Disney Girls
Getcha Back

To name a few.......

If nobody buys the disc, what profits are there for Capitol?

Sometimes releasing an album is as much as an investment as, say, promotion or, in fact, releasing an album is in and of itself promotion. You have to understand, though, how branding works, what its purpose is, etc.

What the....? This is incredible, are you actually suggesting that absolutely no-one would buy a new Beach Boys CD, compilation or otherwise? Your latest posts are just a continuation of your pitiful whining in the build up to the Smile Sessions release and your ceaseless negativity is just plain bizzarre, you seriously need help sir, you are operating in a fantasy world.

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, that if no one knows that a new CD is about to be released(whether it's a hits compilation, a new studio recording or an archival rarities collection), then how will consumers know there's a CD to seek out, whether from a local store or online dealer. Of course people will buy a Beach Boys CD....if they know that such a CD exists, if the record company wants to build some advance "buzz", if they want the public to know that such a CD is being released.  If Capitol is going to release a CD or CD's, I assume that they DO want people to buy them. They're in business to sell stuff, after all. I don't "get" the strategy of "anti-promotion".

Wow, now you seem to be suggesting that Capitol are going to go to the trouble and expense of compiling a new CD release...and then not tell anyone about it, incredible. :wall

Clearly, in the Beach Boys 50th Anniverary year, there are going to be new releases of some kind, they even said so in the initial announcement, and when they have formalized these releases they will let us know, simple as that!

You seem to still be (wrongly) upset with Capitol over The Smile Sessions because they didn't provide daily updates as to when the set would come out and what it would contain and you are carrying this on now, please stop, you are just embarrasing yourself again. 

:deadhorse

Hey, I understand the point Phil is trying to make, and I more than understand what Rocknroll and Paulos are saying. But let's not act like record companies haven't ever F#*ked up before! It's a valid thing to wonder why no product has been announced with a reunion imminent!

However The Beach Boys are what I can imagine Capital would consider a "long term investment" and one (or a few) particular CD collections/whatever not selling very well initially (or at all) would mean little in the long run.

Worked a treat with TSS: announce it's going to happen, say nothing for a few months, release the track list, say nothing for a bit more, set up interviews, podcasts and features, release it and watch it chart at #27 to glowing reviews.

Oh, sorry, forgot "keep an eye on the fan forums".  ;)

TSS was never about mega sales: as with TPSS, it was also about prestige.

This thing is not really of interest to me any more. Have fun, guys. As I've said, I could burn a 50-song/2-disc  hits set on my own computer, or if I'm too lazy to do that, I see that Amazon.com is offering no less than FIVE 2-CD or 3-CD Beach Boys hits collections. I'll take a look at this board again in six months and see if any of the archival product materializes.

Yeah, isn't that pretty obvious?

Just have to remind people that if they try to reason with him.

Indeed. I don't see why they even bother.

Or you could just come back in one month and see what amazing career spanning box set were getting

Phil, you are an idiot. You really are. They announced a box set, which I'm assuming will come out, probably this fall. Considering they just put one out, I can't blame them for waiting for a bit. And why are you so concerned about a new "best of" album? Assuming you are a fan, as you say, wouldn't you already have enough copies of those songs?

Also, your reasoning about the post 1960's material being not as good shows a lack of knowledge about The Beach Boys. I would reason to say that you could probably make 2 to 3 really good albums of the material that is in the vaults still. And yes, that would include a lot of Brian material, even though, according to you, he hasn't been functional since around 1968.

Phil's deliberately arguing himself into a corner, with the exit hatch being "I'm not going to talk to your for six months".

On past experience, if Capitol issued artwork, tracklist and a release date for anything, his new tack would be "Yes, Capitol might say  that but they won't release it."

Or he'd moan that because they hadn't listed the individual track times, or song writing credits, and that must mean they didn't really intend to release it.

This is the guy who proposed a boycott of Beach Boys product because they didn't tell him anything about the contents of the SMiLE box until, erm, they released the SMiLE box.

This is the guy who hears the phrase "Black is Black" and assumes that, because someone's saying it is, it cannot be the truth.

I wish we could ignore him but he's the ultimate troll – it's impossible to resist having a go.

I'm no longer convinced this is the same Phil Cohen who has some association with BigO; the guy who posts here is a twerp with nothing better to do than while away his days posting denying everything.

Oh noooooooo! Pleeeease staaaaay!!   :'( :'(

GOODBYE PHIL..! Thanks to Eric H for printing a list of songs for Phil.!.. Thanks to AGD for his list also..So i dont have to do it. One thing i"d like to point out on AGD"S list.. In USA we have  another chart called Adult Contemporary Music...Many of those BB singles charted much higher on that chart. Heck BW song IMAGINATION charted much better on AC than top 100 chart . I still hear that song 14 yrs later on a semi regular basis..And Phil stating  after 69 BB output wasnt  much unless BW was involved..! HUH..!.??... That demeans the talents of the rest of the group..Also back in the day {60"s 70"s 80"s} music was considered ART.. It isnt that way anymore sadly. Sunflower Surfs Up CATP Holland were more artistic statements . Phil is obviously To young + immature  to understand this..Carl Wilson is responsible for anything SMILE being released from 69-93.. He is the one that pulled out the tapes along with Steve Desper.
But to Phil CW is a minor talent..!!..JEEZ..!

Also apparently that Dennis Wilson character was a no talent hack who couldn't write a decent song without the help of his older brother.

It's funny... I doubt Phil has ever clamored in his life. I'm sure AGD has before, but he no longer finds any need to clamor. Clam clam clamor stammor jammor clamor.

Belvront. That is all.

Phil,, :angry   :jedi

Phil's a real ball breaker

I missed out on abusing Phil!!
You abuse yourself Phil with your comments on this board, it is very sad.

Why he posts here, I'll never understand.  He really knows very little about The Beach Boys...

It's a bit like self-harm, or suicide by cop. Deliberately making stupid statements in the knowledge that you'll get an online kicking. Phil doesn't need responses to his posts so much as he needs studying.

Let's be honest. The guy either has serious mental/emotional issues, or is just having quite a laugh at all of our expense. I hardly believe that there is somebody that is this worked up over the things he complains about. He's a troll.

One thing that makes him a hilarious troll indeed is that he takes everyone's abuse without lashing out, and simply repests his statements. If he got angry once in a while and told AGD to bugger off, it would be more satisfying, but  he simply repeats his arguments or finds new arguments and keeps his cool.

I am convinced that he is a deliberate troll, playing a character to wind up this board, which has been very easy as late. If he had been saying this stuff years ago, there would be a basis for it, but he waited for the SMiLe sessions and now the reunion. Pure brilliance. Of course, I love to have a go at Phil too, it is fun...

Anyway, God Bless You Phil for providing me with hours of entertainment, but those are hours that I'll never get back so I guess the joke is on me.

Andy Kaufman style humour

Phil is a DUMB ass,, In 12 years of posting ive used 3  names,.. Mr Wilson.. Surf bum.. Paul Dash..SERIOUS.. !! Thats why my NUMBERS are LOW..!!  The ONLY time i ever went off on somebody was.. 2000 2001.. BBB board.. There was some guy that kept  asking questions + answering his own questions.. Many off us answered his questions + AGD answered his questions + he was thrown off the board..   :angry :wall  HE questioned AGD + OTHER insiders..I told him  point blank,,Shut T F Up..!!Since then BBB board is very picky..Doya remember AGD..? I know it was along time ago ..BUT..When somebody tells U the truth..SHUT UP + LISTEN..!! Some people just dont get it..BTW .. Can i have a password to post on BBB..Please!..Spaceman is a DICK also..Go buy some books + do some RESEARCH.. ..!! IM TIRED of the bitchin on this board..I allways wonder WHAT im gonna find..The OLD SMILE SHOP board used to ARGUE..But NOT like this..!! ..NO FUN ANY MORE.. Its OK to disagree.BUT.!!.When somebody posts facts as FACT....SHUT UP..!!...I DONT know AGD personally butt he is aware + on top of things!!..So listen ! Maybe i have advantage..I own at least 25books BB/BW.. I have collected BB/BW up to 2004.EVERYTHING up to that time..After that i got ripped off..NUMEROUS times..Including BB/BW insiders..If ya dont believe me..! LOOK  IT UP..Bicycle Rider..Parks Asher.. Mikie ..Texus.. Cammot..Les Chan.. Manning.... MiKIE is a good DUDE..! TED DUGAN..  RICH EP..!..TOPGAZZA..MOON DAWG..RON.. Among others..  life is short.. Its only R+R..ENJOY...Paul Dash

The people i mentioned NEVER  ripped me off..I posted their names cause I RESPECT their thoughts..REALLY..! The only guy im gonna mention is one guy that is STILL  ALIVE.. The Guy That wrote SURFS UP..!! I STAND BY that statement..YOU OWE ME DUDE..!! You dont remember my real name.. Im sure of that. BUT thats OK.. RIP GREG LARSON.. I still  wear that TSHIRT ..Thanks for the smile..I wear it With PRIDE..!! GOD Bless..RIP.Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't see why anybody would expect the Beach Boys to announce anniversary related releases before the big reunion at the Grammies which will certainly be the start to the promtion. I'd guess we'll get a few infos at the Grammies and the days afterwards and then have to wait some weeks for more. Like AGD said, just like they did with TSS

Sorry for the anger in my last post..Im just tired of the arguing here and i had a BAD day yesterday..Im a sinking ship with no job. The last time i went thru this job stuff was 25 years ago..I dont like goin backwards in my life..I do come here to escape my plight + learn things + enjoy the company here.I expect debates here but needless arguing + name calling is uncool..  my last couple of posts i entered the fray and i was trying to avoid it..I apologize for being uncool..  I do enjoy a good debate.!

Haven't been here much lately, glad to see beach boys fans are still as petty and angry as ever.

What product are you talking about?  They're still working on it.  Everybody on this board will buy it, and they'll promote it the way record companies promote records.  You think Capitol doesn't know how to sell records but you do?  What have you ever sold?

Why do you even come to boards like this?  You're not a fan, comments like "they were only good when Brian participated" and comments about burning your own greatest hits set in place of the official Capitol Release prove it. 

You have succeeded in provoking me to briefly return. Let me give you a quote from Dennis Wilson. He was speaking about the touring Beach Boys members. He said "Brian Wilson IS The Beach Boys. We're his messengers."

And as for those who wonder why I keep my cool and I hold my ground without responding to Mr.Doe by being nasty or mean, that's not my style. And besides, Mr.Doe's stature(as operator of a Beach Boys statistics website) entitles him to engage in types of behavior which would get any of us banished. Mr.Doe's stature is the reason why I was banished from the IMWAN forum, but he wasn't.

Dennis' actual words - from 1976 -  were "Brian Wilson is the Beach Boys. He is the band. We're his fucking messengers. He is all of it. Period. We're nothing. He's everything."

As you'll note, when the whole quote is presented, the meaning changes completely.  ;D

And... my "status" ?  My "stature" ?  You really believe that sh*t, don't you ? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

What is not to believe, Lord?

Am I a minion or acolyte now?

I'm not the Lord, I'm a very naughty boy.

Depends - do you believe without thinking ?

Guess  I am an acolyte because I learn and think from information you post on this board. 8)

Even during those years(mid-1965-mid-1975) when Brian was (almost always) absent from the live shows, and then again from the mid-1990's to date, The Beach Boys onstage (even without Brian Wilson) have largely been a vehicle for the music of Brian Wilson. Who amongst you would deny that? Do you think that the touring boys would be a viable concert attraction if they had to go onstage and perform no Brian Wilson music?

As for all the arguing that's been going on here about a possible "Greatest Hits" release(and the secrecy around it, this ain't "Smile" ya' know.), it's absurd, and certainly not worth arguing over. We've got all of the songs, and, as I've said, if you look on Amazon.com, Capitol has five 2-CD or 3-CD hits collections on the market already. The only other group that I can think of who has as many(if not more) hits compilation CD's is The Doors. Enough said?

Yeah.

Phil, the reason you don't enjoy a lot of the music is because you have a broken place in your soul.  You're too negative for the Beach Boys.  You're not going to find a fucking OUNCE of negativity, in ANY of their music, much less any of the stuff Brian wrote that you claim to enjoy.  Even when he's singing about dying there's optimism in it. 

Everything you post is full of cynicism, dread, and negativity.  How you claim to be a fan of one of the most positive, upbeat, beautiful, inspired by God bands that ever existed blows my mind.

In short: Get with the program. 

Just my opinion.  AGD can be a complete jerk sometimes, and incredibly annoying, but it's easy to see he does what he does out of passion, not out of hate.  He loves the band, loves the members of the band, loves their music, and loves the fans.  Sometimes he's abrasive as hell, though.  So weigh it all in all, and maybe he's human like the rest of us, lol.

Phil on the other hand is just a dick for the sake of being a dick.  If there's a negative way to look at something, he'll take that view of it.  That gets old really quick.  I'd take 1000 AGD "I told you so's" or "I know a secret you don't know!" 's before I'd take 1 of Phils Eeyore moments. 

And your point is, caller?

There's plenty that's positive in The Beach Boys' music, but behind the Beach Boys' public personas, the reality is that there's been lots of negativity(and lawsuits) between the various members, and this has an undeniable effect on the lengthy process of bringing Beach Boys archival product to the market.   

 

Yeah! And in your sick twisted world, lets dwell on that, shall we?  Forget anything positive in the music, lets pay attention to the lawsuits, and lawsuits that might happen, and things that might not come out, and blah blah blah. 

Don't you have an umbrella to go stand under somewhere? 

Then you're a far, far bigger fool than anyone here already assumed you were.

Phil: Did anybody say Brian wasn't the most talented?  We're just saying only a deaf man would think that there were no good songs after Brian checked out.  OUR POINT is you're not a fan, any fan knows better!  You sound like a 15 year old that just figured out Brian recorded SMiLE.  

Ron, remember the rule - don't feed the troll.

His isn't feeding a troll. We're all giving a needy person the attention he craves. It's care in the community. We're all playing a part. It's beautiful. Soon, Phil will be well and we'll be able to return him to the wild.

But your stature as a Beach Boys historian apparently exempts you from any normal rules of conduct on this forum and others. You can hurl aggression, insults and belittlement at others and get away with it. If any of the other people on this forum(or at IMWAN) behaved in that way(not that I would want to behave that way), the moderators would never tolerate it. But the rules are different for you, the esteemed historian.

As mad as a box of very mad frogs.  ;D

I gotta call BS on this one.  I snap at people all the time, I've never been banned.  Andrew says things, and sometimes people smart off back to him, none of them get banned either. 

Yeah.  You've known him longer than I have, maybe you already know he's hopeless.  I hate ignoring cancer, though. 

Yes, there were occasional good songs after Brian withdrew from full-time studio participation, but their commercial heyday ended. My theory is this:you might recall that during the build-up to the aborted 1960's release of "Smile", there was a cartoonist's caricature of The Beach Boys(apparently in a British music newspaper) showing Brian as a puppeteer, and the other Beach Boys as Brian's puppets. I would think that this only increased the insecurities of the others, and that the others then wanted to prove that they too could write songs, and indeed that they could write hits. But, alas this was not a band of equal talents. Dennis & Carl later did develop into competent songwriters by any normal standards, but they didn't have Brian's flair for creating top 40 hits.

The other Beach Boys members should have been happy to have Brian Wilson's leadership and songs, and not tried to rebel against him. It's like, Tom Fogerty, Stu Cook & Doug Clifford should have accepted the idea that their purpose(in Creedence Clearwater Revival) was to be a vehicle for John Fogerty songs.

Then you know about as much about me as you do about The Beach Boys: I've been suspended from here, The Record Room and requested not to post on the Bloo for a year or so. My alleged "stature" (which you seem to resent deeply) exempts me from nothing. You were banned from IMWAN for cross posting messages I'd made on The Hoff with the intent of stirring it. Why you were banned from the Hoff is public knowledge.

Eh, sorry Ron - breaking my own diktat. Apologies. Won't happen again, and I agree with every word you've said.

Yes damn those bloody Beach Boys, what were they thinking, carrying on without Brian's full time participation! Everyone knows they should have called it a day back in 1969, retired from showbiz and gone off to to find regular jobs. Then they wouldn't have to suffer the embarrassment today of having blots on their legacy such as 20/20, Sunflower and Holland.

Phil I think you have lost track of what you are arguing about here. I agree with you on your initial point. Personally I have no need for another 'hits' comp and won't be buying it myself either. However as it has been strongly indicated that several other projects are in the works, maybe you could try mustering up a bit of enthusiasm for these instead of your usual bitching?

Phil if you have someone in your corner please get them to throw in the towell.

Maybe if we had something more than the vague descriptions "Commemorative releases" & "Career spanning box set" then there would be reason for enthusiasm, and something for us discuss. For now, the information vacuum has been filled by people using me as a scapegoat for their frustrations.

Yeah, we're all really taking out our frustration with Capitol out on you. You got us, pal.

The fun of an announcement like this is hypothesizing about what the set will include.

No, Phil, you rate yourself much too highly: firstly, we have a go at you not out of frustration with Capitol - check back on these threads - but because 1) you're very, very boring in your constant prognostications of doom, and 2) we've been here before, last year with the big Smile box, and we all recall what a complete disaster that was. As with the big box, there's only one person displaying any frustration with the situation, and that's you. The entirely understandable irritation we do feel is not towards Capitol, but towards you, for constantly bringing everyone down whenever you appear wailing the same old threadbare plaint that no-one's saying anything and that's because the whole project is collapsing. It's not. So please, go away and be boring somewhere else. Anywhere else. See, if you don't like being used as a scapegoat, stay out of sight.

What a joke

The only one showing frustration is you Phil. Over what exactly, none of us can quite fantom. A Smile sessions box is announced - you bitch. Multiple commemorative releases for the 50th are announced - you bitch. A new reunion album is announced - you bitch. Are you  actually a fan of this band?

I'm not saying, claiming or predicting that Capitol isn't going release a 2-CD hits collection, a commemorative box set or possiblly other archival releases. But what i am saying, is if we had something more than that vague description of that product, we'd have something genuinely worth discussing here.

Phil, you need to acquire some patience. All in good time, all in good time.

It just occurred to me, that even if Capitol did reveal the track listing for these projects, that people might be disappointed before hearing the actual product. Take a look at the widespread criticism and consumer cancellation of preorders which has resulted from the revealing of the track listings for Universal Music's May 2012 UK expanded multi disc reissues of the British Decca & Immediate albums by the group "Small Faces". The sets may(or may not) bring substantial improvements in tape sources and sound quality(things which can't be evaluated merely by seeing the track listings). Many of that group's fans were obviously hoping for the discovery of multi tracks and unreleased songs, but the track listings make it obvious that is not to be. 3 of the expanded sets do have unreleased tracks, but they are alternate mixes, backing tracks or rehearsals. But one criticism of those sets(merely by seeing the track listings) is legitimate: when the compiler ran out of good stuff to include of 2-CD expanded editions of the two Decca albums, he(the compiler) resorted to filler:using "Electronically Reprocessed Stereo"(I.E. Duophonic) versions of Decca recordings for which no stereo mixes or multi tracks exist. Most of would agree:Fake stereo(where no true stereo version exists or can be created) is a bad thing.

Fixed that for you.

Ah, finally, something to get my head round.  OK, so you're frustrated that, because we don't have anything more than vague descriptions (although to me, in my innocence, "career-spanning box set" seems pretty specific), we can't have anything genuinely worth discussing. I can dig that, I see where you're standing and I feel your pain. I've given considerable thought about how to ease that pain and I think... I think I've got the answer. It's this:

Don't read this thread. Go away and apply your energies to something else (say, the next "Small Faces" archive reissue) which you do have better info about. Then come back here in six months (like you promised last time you flounced off), and you can bitch about that, and we can have some more fun with you. You get to anguish over something you have no control over, and we don't have our nuts bored off by your whining. It's a win-win situation !  ;D

Mr. Doe has a statue now?!?

 :afro

Somewhere, Earcandy is hard at work  :lol

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh..........f***.  ;D

Can't wait for this one... :lol

Something for the front garden! Erection time!

I'm uncomfortable now.

A typographical error. Of course, I meant Stature.

You're not the only one

...anyway...

Just curious if anyone knows when these "anniversary" projects will be announced.  After the GRAMMYs?

I miss Ghost. :'(

I will be erecting the statue!!

huh huh you said 'erect'

Nothing like a typographical error. Typography is to do with print. More likely a subliminal indication of some subconscious desire to deify Mr Doe.

Take your pick! Is the discussion not:

A) rambling enough for you?
B) homophobic enough for you?
C) utilising the colour text feature enough for you?
D) filled with enough faux-smart, 'cosmic', 'ah, I remember my first joint' philosophy for your tastes?

:lol hypehat you just made my day

Yeah, he had his flaws, but he did have some good posts.

Faux smart.. love it..

Well when you put it that way.  :o ;D

Still, I always thought he had more interesting things to say then Phil Cohen, I only mentioned Ghost because he didn't bore me to death! :lol

Ah,the concise summary of those wacky days of ghost, a walking Public Service Announcement on why not to use drugs.... 

Actually, it's me adjusting to a very different keyboard(versus the one with my previous computer) on a new computer that I've owned for 3 weeks.

Really ? Your new computer doesn't have a QWERTY keyboard ?  You do talk some pish, Phil.  ;D

Maybe his computer doesn't have a QWERTY keyboard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard

Actually, that would be entirely in character, giving him one more thing to bitch about for no good reason.

Seriously, have you ever seen one of those ? Me neither.

He probably means it's got a Dell, Compaq, Apple, Acer or other brand keyboard…

Ho hum…

Back on topic!


When will we know (i'm serious) if this 'new' album is going to be as good as we expect it to be?  I mean, I know Brian and everybody will be hyping it up, and I love all the stuff pretty much any of them have put out over the last 10 years, but what LEVEL of hype will let us know that the album is going to be great?  If Brian says it sounds great, to me, that means it'll be kind of mediocre.  I'm going to need him to hype to the level of "Sounds better than Pet Sounds!" before I'm going to trust or know that the album is great, lol. 

Lets take bets or start a  pool on how high the praise will go.  I actually do think Brian is at one point going to say that the new album sounds better than Pet Sounds.

Anybody agree?  Disagree?

Actually, both the new and old keyboards are QWERTY, but the new one has very shallow keys, which are tricky for someone who is not a trained typist(I poke at the keys with my index finger)

No. If we don't get our hopes up and not hype it up and have high expectations, then it can only meet or exceed our expectations when it's released.

I would say that if there's no hits compilation, reunion album or other CD release announcement by the time of the first shows of the tour, then perhaps Capitol Records and/or The Beach Boys have changed their minds about the hits compilation, "commemorative" CD's and/or box set. Oh well, maybe they concluded that there weren't enough people out here who actually cared about these products. Some of the people on this forum (and other similar forums) DID care, but did the general public care? Perhaps not.

Are you fucking serious mate? You have issues!

So there is no reunion album Phil? There are in the studio recording right now because they want to shelve it? They've been posting pictures just to tease us?

It's not funny buddy. You're a fraud. You're just some moron that decided to play a joke on a message board, and it's really old. And I feel stupid for even buying into the fact that you may have been a real person.

And I'm sure we'll get the box set. The other "commemorative" CD's, well, we'll find out! I'm sure there is something.

ban this fucking troll!

Again

This time for good.

You're trying too hard

You're a very mean-spirited individual. Whenever I express any view that you disagree with, then the attacks on me start anew.

Maybe Capitol will release it incomplete, 40 years after it was recorded(just like "Smile") after 4 decades to build up mystique about "The Great Lost Beach Boys Reunion Album").....just joking.

And, if I didn't tell you that i was joking, the attack dogs on this forum(humorless as they are) would  take this with deadly seriousness, and have another go at me.

Well it's hard to be nice when your full of sh*t 24/7.

Exactly, during the SMiLE debacle I kinda felt bad for Phil because in a weird way to had a reason to be cynical (in a very weird way)

But to be skeptical about this, when they shot the album cover just the other day  :lol

It's so stupid

They shot the album cover the other day? I've been away from this forum for a few weeks, so that's news to me. But, while that increases the chances of the album being released, I should note that album covers were also shot and designed for "Bob Dylan in Concert"(1963), "Buffalo Springfield-Stampede"(1967) & "Crosby, Stills,Nash & Young-Human Highway"(1974).

Well this one is coming..

Enjoy the wait then enjoy the album  ^-^

That's news to you!! That is funny Phil, usually* people look at facts before formulating opinion!

*with the exception of Phil Cohen.

No, it's whenever you start talking accelerated bollocks. Again.

Phil, I'm going to be polite about this one: you don't know what you're talking about. You're trying to argue from a position of complete ignorance as regards studio work and the overall gameplan for the C50 project and, as usual, are making a fool of yourself (and admitting you've not read anything here for the last few (blissful) weeks is just digging that hole even deeper). Again, for emphasis - you don't know what you're talking about. That's fine, but you're POing everyone else here. I can't believe you are in fact that stupid (although the increasing weight of evidence allows that possibility) so I have to assume that you're doing it for effect, or as we here call it, trolling:

"posting inflammatory messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

You missed one off the list Phil - Smile.   :lol

But 'fess up - this time around you're rabbiting complete and utter tripe to either make people laugh (utterly failed) or piss people off (100% success).

Suicide by board moderator, anyone?

Good luck. I don't care anymore.

Can we have a notarised statement of that, please... 'cause you know as well as we do, you'll be back in a few weeks, playing the same old cracked record. Or after the new studio album is released, bitching about something else you have absolutely no knowledge or comprehension of... because trolls can't stay away.

Is Phil Cohen even a Beach Boys fan?

Two things:

@ PhilCohen: we know your point of view by now. But you also know that your constant negative approach of everything that is being announced on the BB – by now – automatically provokes a lot of harsh responses. I simply can’t imagine that you are surprised by receiving them. Or better said: I can’t help but concluding that you are deliberately trying to provoke other members here. I’m not talking on this specific reply, but on the sum of all replies from the last couple of months. A fair point of criticism is just fine (that’s where messageboards are for: a good discussion based on different points of view). Repeated negative criticism is only tearing others down and IMO is indeed in conflict with board rule nr. 2 (“Lift each other up, don't tear each other down…” + “…and not be an embarrassment to the good name of Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys”).
I recommend you to take my advise seriously when I say to stop with this.

@ SMiLE-Brian: while we’re talking on board rules, may I point out that there are also rules regarding foul language. I understand your feelings towards Phil’s constant negativity (you’re not alone in that), and that lately more members are not really bothered to avoid name-calling. But try to use other words, because this is also not the way to keep the spirits positive here. And it certainly won’t influence the moderators to quicken our decisions or change our minds. Just ignore and/or report the mods.

click here for board rules (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,122.0.html)

To end with a positive note:
Everything hints towards 2012 being a unique year for all of us fans. Who would have thought a reunion like this would be possible just a few years ago? We got this little SMilE Sessions box as a starter (!!). I mean, they could have done worse than that? (I wonder if they could have done better than that).
Let us be happy that the Boys are approaching this reunion seriously. All information we got so far is way more than we could ever have dreamt of. Let alone that Grammy performance: regardless of how it went, I’m so glad to have watched those films and pictures of 5 Beach Boys smiling & performing together. And to think a lot more is announced or to be expected. Even if only 50% of it is realizable, it’s way more than we could have expected. Let’s enjoy this while it lasts, as I’m sure this will be a once in a life time experience.

Can we say "The Beach Boys are the best f*cking band in the universe"?  ???
Use it in a good way?

SMiLE-Holland, I think you're being exceptionally generous.  There was a time when I believed that Phil believed what he was posting; no longer the case. It's sheer incitement for the sake of mischief.

Fair point, and it's good that you point that out. Although I don't find it necessary to use foul language at all to emphasize my opinion (but that's a matter of opinion), I should have made clear that in this case I specifically meant the foul language with regard to the name-calling.

(I think that we all can clearly read the difference in approach when one writes "they are the best  f*cking" band", or "you're a f*cking troll")

I know, I hear that more often ... and so you can savely assume it's going really downhill on this topic, if even I respond on matters like this.

Smile holland, I understand your points and avoid the bad language and taunting in the future.

I don't know what I find more amusing: Phil's rants or those whom feel particularly threatened by them.  Lighten up, guys. 

I must admit I'm one of the ones who freaked out at Phil because he is so freakin' annoying...

But I have do have a complaint to voice to BRI...

It would be nice to know exactly what the "commemorative releases" are going to be. I'd say, certainly, that we're getting a brand new studio album, a career spanning box set, and another hits album. However, what else? I'm not gonna be like Phil and say we need track lists and release dates right now, but it would be interesting to know if, say, they are reissuing the original albums, or if we are gonna get deluxe versions of Sunflower and Surf's Up. Or neither. I think that would be just a little nugget that they could be willing to give us, without giving it all away to us yet.

There's something like two months between now and the first C50 show. The 'silence' over the Smile project between original announcement and first hard news was a lot longer than that.

Patience.

The waiting is the hardest part - Tom Petty

I'm starting to hear rumors that Capitol is preparing a Stack-O-Tracks Sessions set. It will be a boxed set that divides the backing tracks released on that album into their smaller parts. Trust me when I say you haven't lived until you've heard "Darlin' (Drums Track)"!

Ah, a primo example of alternative humor. That's as in "alternative to being funny".

Speaking as a fan since the 1990's, it is simply awesome that we got SMile last year, and are now expecting a reunion project this year.  Just awesome!

I would actually love to hear something like that.

If they do reissues, I'd like to see hi-res versions made available.

I was going to say, that wouldn't be the first time I've heard a call for multi-tracks.

I wouldn´t mind a box set like this either. :P

I need the multitracks.

Excellent post. BBs aficionado(e)s often come across as kids in a candy store. Unaccompanied by their Moms.

Andrew, I know you cannot get into specifics, but do the Boys' and Capitol know what is going to be released this year besides the new album? Have things been firmed up?

By now, I would damn well hope so. The overall merchandising plan is going to go to hell in a hand-basket otherwise.

Personally I'd like to see something all-embracing in some really neat packaging: TSS really raised the bar.

One thing we should all bear in mind - if Capitol released a box set of every BB album ever released, complete with stereo remixes, bonus tracks, nine DVDs with every single piece of TV and movie footage ever shot and a 500-page book of liner notes, in a solid gold briefcase complete with diamond encrusted locks and priced it at $4.99, Phil Cohen would bitch that it was too heavy, it clashed with his decor and he needed to keep polishing it.

The 50th Anniversary shirt sucks! Hopefully they'll come up with something better than that when the gigs get going.

obviously, the big things are the tour and album....anything else would be a great bonus

Would anybody be surprised if some things were pushed into 2013? I wouldn't. The first "anniversary" box set came out in 1993, after all.

The term "Brian's Back" was a well known saying in 1976, but with this tour it may mean something different. If his back doesn't hold up, as it hasn't seemed to recently, you may not see him engaged all the time, much less be on stage for an entire concert(s). Hate to be a downer, but after reading recent interviews, his bad back is mentioned. It completely side-lined him for a recent recording session. It ain't a good sign, people. 50 + concerts we're talkin' here.....

I think it might be possible to make too much of that. Brian sits down almost all the time anyway, so I'm not sure how much the back would hamper him. Plus, it's not like you develop a bad back overnight at age 69. He must have had some issues before, and those don't seem to have affected his touring schedule.

Here he is talking about his chiropractor two years ago ... and it sounds like someone he'd been visiting for years at that point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAWVbj0YUyE

Well........that video was two years ago and the interview I just read the other day was conducted recently. I hope the problem is not getting progressively worse. What's he going to do, take the Chiro on the road with him this Summer? I doubt it. And I just realized that at a recent Smile record signing in S.F., he was shifting in his chair quite a bit. Not sure if he was uncomfortable because of the back or just sitting in the chair for a long period caused him discomfort (as it would a lot of people). I'm hoping for the best! Gotta see him on that stage this year!

Actually, I'd almost guarantee it's getting worse. But given that he seems to have kept up a relatively busy performance and recording schedule over the last 15 years or so, I don't think we need to worry about Brian just yet. But we'll see. (Isn't everyone secretly hoping for just  a bit -- a teensy bit -- of drama on this tour? I know I shouldn't, but I kind of am. Imagine the awful things that could happen!  >:D)

Mike's had a dodgy back for a few years now. Funny, he can still do close to 100 shows a year, and not sitting down, either.

Mike will still be performing at 100 in a wheelchair, hooked up to an iv drip, mark my words.

Has Brian any concerts before the first Beach Boys show ? If not, there's a lot of time for his back to get better

Reminds me of that quote from Dennis many years ago - something about "we'll still be on stage in our wheel chairs", or something like that.

I'm a bit out of the loop with all this 50th anniversary stuff, my thirst for BB discussion temporarily sated by the Smile box release  8)

However I feel the inevitable twitching of curiosity, the inexorable pull of the Smiley board ....

I haven't had a chance to read all these pages so am just wondering what the current expectations/rumours are about archival releases or are we still in the dark? Stereo Wild Honey perhaps .... Live In Carnegie Hall .... ?!!

It is now obvious that neither the reunion album or the 50-song hits collection(that Mr.Doe spoke of) will be ready for release to coincide with the start of the tour. A reunion album may (possibly) be released this summer, but what is the fate of the "commemorative" releases?

My guess, is that in the absence of any new product to sell(in conjunction with the tour) that Capitol will press more copies of "Sounds of Summer", "Endless Summer" or "Good Vibrations:30 Years of The Beach Boys" and re-promote those products, but for the avid fans looking for new Beach Boys CD product to buy, they are(indefinitely) out of luck. But, to be realistic, the re-promoting of those existing products will be quite satisfactory to the general public, and make plenty of money for Capitol.

And, I should note, that without the feud between Myself & Mr.Doe to keep this thread alive(or at least my presence, to enable people to use me as a scapegoat), this thread quietly came to a halt more than a month ago. I was correct in saying, that with Capitol continuing to stonewall it with the wall of secrecy, that, with respect to archival CD product, there is really nothing more to discuss.

This is kind of sad and disappointing.

In 2009 Summer Love Songs was announced on April 6th and was released on May 19th.  Just because they've been quiet doesn't mean a 50th release isn't being worked on.  Look at what happened with the Smile Sessions.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

A release date of June 5th is rumored for the reunion album. Nothing is more or less clear than before about the archival releases you pronounce dead. Have a little faith.

Your guess is, as usual, entirely wrong. The new album will be released on June 5th, coincidentally (or possibly not) two days before the 90-minute "Summer's Gone" PBS TV special. The gameplan never was to have it readied for the start of the tour. Sounds Of Summer has been selling quite nicely since 2003 and needs no repromotion, while the 1993 box set is still in print. As for avid fans looking for new BB CD product, may I direct them towards The Smile Sessions.  Come summer, there will be more BB product. :)

drool.............. slobber........ Sign Me Up!

 :afro

And will leak a week before that  :lol

Phil, well, first of all, you sent me an email telling me you were leaving Smiley Smile....apparently not my friend! But anyways, first off, The Beach Boys just released The SMiLE Sessions in November and they are also releasing a brand new album in June. So that would basically make it 2 new albums in around 7-8 months. Sounds pretty good to me, regardless of the band. Then, the band also says that within the year we will also receive a new best-of and a career-spanning boxset.

First off, I don't understand the obsession with the new best-of. Who cares? Why do you care if their 38th best-of comes out? Do you need to hear "Little Deuce Coupe" in another collection that badly?

Then, the boxset. It's coming. They said it is. It would probably make sense not to release it the same day as their new album. I'm assuming we'll probably see it near the end of the year. And that's fine. We'll probably get more details after the new album is out. Is that so bad? It's not like there is millions of people hanging on worrying about the new Beach Boys archival material. When it comes out, we'll listen if there is enough interesting stuff included. They will release what they want, when the want to. These are ultimately the works of The Beach Boys, and whatever material they want to come out will come out whenever they want it to come out.

I agree that we hardly need another 2-CD greatest hits collection(since Capitol already has several of them on the market)but Mr.Doe has hinted that such a project is in the works. But if Capitol includes a few new remixes, it would give completists a reason to buy it. For the past few decades, the way that the music industry has operated, is that a singer or group tours to promote its latest album, and the tour & album release are closely coordinated. Why does that concept suddenly seem so strange to you guys?

As for The Beach Boys not having to release anything if they don't want to, that is undoubtedly correct. My view(now that we've gotten the most eagerly sought Beach Boys material: Smile), is this: If they want to release more CD's(whether newly recorded material or archival material), then they will(and I'll buy them), and if they don't want to release such product, then they won't. I will leave you with a quote from the booklet from the "Good Vibrations:30 Years of The Beach Boys" box set: "Maybe one day, The Beach Boys will make one last extraordinary record.  Maybe they won't. Certainly, as you'll hear on this collection, they've given us a lifetime supply of sublime sound."

Maybe they'll release all these rumored CD projects, or maybe they won't, but we'd all prefer that they do release them, and we're here to make it known that there ARE people out here who would buy these CD's.

True dat!

Sorry you got bored Phil but can you take your feud with AGD elsewhere please?

We're not feuding at the moment. With no information about the "50th Anniversary" product, there's nothing to keep this thread going.

Haven't you learned to trust AGD yet?

What has he ever been wrong about besides my ability to operate or not operate a CD player??? (actually, he was right about that too)

Oh ok then!

The person who decided to restart this thread after a month with no new information must be a right tool then huh?

no idea why i'm engaging, but here goes...

first, this tour is celebrating the Beach Boys 50th anniversary, not their new album.

secondly, the commemorative releases are not "rumored" ...they were confirmed in official press release.

and finally... THERE IS NO WALL OF SECRECY. Try saying that aloud, Phil. Repeat it a few times. Write it on an index card and keep it in your pocket. Take it out and look at it from time to time. I hope this helps.  ;)

No information ?

Newly recorded album released on June 5th, including tracks entitled "Why God Made The Radio"and "Beaches In Mind"... 90-minute PBS TV special with previously unseen live footage... 'career-spanning' box set (i.e. it goes beyond 1988 unlike the 1993 release)... new best of (and why not - they sell)... other archival releases.

Oh, and a 60 date tour.  :)

And that's just the information that's been made public. I'm confident there are surprises up sleeves.

Like an Oceania Leg of the tour?

Music doesn't sell like it used to so most bands are touring even when they don't have a new album or a popular single because it is the only way for them to make money.

"The way the music industry has operated" has completely changed in the past decade.

You could have spent the time learning how to use the "quote" function properly for starters.

Thread popularity goes up and down all the time. Have  a look at how many other threads have come and gone since this one was last at its peak.  Just cos no-one's talking about something doesn't mean it won't be revived. After all, you've revived it, even though you've nothing constructive to offer, just the usual pessimism about the sky falling down and the end of the world being nigh.

By the way, I think I've found the unconventional, non-qwerty keyboard you were struggling with a while back:

(http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/vt/vtech-dora-the-explorer-laptop.jpg)

If you need technical advice, my daughter's home from playgroup after 12.

Are you the real Phil Cohen?

Phil is a bit of an old misery guts, isn't he?  Sorry, Phil, but...

I definitely think we can expect some surprises along this journey and not abandon all hope etc. etc.

back to Life...but with one eye on the big Beach Ball...

Not sure this is the same Phil who first showed up here…

Occasionally, due to a malfunction in the website's system, despite my posting my response properly, my response  appears as part of the quote, rather than appearing separately.

Again, this is such wonderful news.  Truly, 2011 and 2012 are the best years ever, Ever, for Beach Boys fans!

How soon will the track lists be made public?

Thats it then. This sites days are numbered! :thud

Why can't Phil be banned the hell off this board, he is just troll with a "feud" with AGD at this point.

We don't have any feud at the moment. Our recent exchanges have been comparatively polite. Read them.

Don't pretend your not mad at AGD, your still pissed at him proving your smile box doom predictions incorrect. You just want to see him be incorrect about a new boxset, hence why you are ignoring the BBs new tour and album.

In retrospect, there may have been legitimate reasons for the 5 months of silence during the creation of the "Smile" box. Capitol & the box set's compilers were walking on eggshells, dealing with the permission givers over recordings whose creation(in the 1960's) left still-raw emotional wounds and interpersonal resentments amongst the surviving Beach Boys. If any of the permission givers had gotten offended during the compiling process, the box set project could have easily derailed(if any one of the permission givers had withdrawn their permission). It may be that the 5 month silence reduced the chance of that happening.

By contrast, in this year's vaguely promised projects, we are talking about less sensitive, less controversial materials, that are unlikely to rock the boat with any of the surviving members: a reunion album, a 2-CD hits set, an updated box set, and (perhaps) a CD/DVD set of early 1970's concert recordings, and (perhaps) stereo remixes of several (previously) mono-only albums. There is nothing in any of those projects that is likely to cause any conflict amongst the surviving Beach Boys. Then, is there really a need for extreme secretiveness this time?

By the way, the CD/DVD set of early 1970's concert recordings could very well happen. Mark Linett publicly stated that he was working on such a project at the same time that he stated that he was doing research and tape cataloging on "Smile" tapes(this was 2 to 3 years before the "Smile" box was announced)

Wrong. I'm happy that the "Smile Sessions" box was released. Capitol & the group did cause many fans needless worry during the 5 months of silence. All we know concerning the reunion album is that a "TBD"(to be determined, yet to be titled) Beach Boys album has a tentative June release, on the forthcoming release lists of EMI affiliates in several European countries. We assume that this album is the reunion album. I hope so.

I'm excited for when five months after the release of the new stuff, you justify what you call silence thereby rendering all your complaints invalid again.

Planning and releasing product takes time, companies don't have any obligation for constant updates to the fans. All they can say is if the product is coming out or not. Capitol said the box would be released in 2011, and it was November 1, 2011.

If there weren't such an extreme silence concerning the 2012 product, then we'd be discussing that product on this forum now, and we'd be getting excited and overjoyed about what we would (soon?) be getting. Would that positive advance "buzz" be such a bad thing? it's called promotion, and other labels and artists do create advance buzz.

Funnily enough, I don't recall anyone worrying and only one very vocal Chicken Little. Sounds oddly familiar this time around too.

Even when I'm trying to be more conciliatory, you guys keep bashing me.

The same. Most here looked at things in a positive way. More material had been found, better final product, waiting on the ok for the original artwork. That kind of thing.

I look forward to surprises on my birthday and Christmas. Not all of us want to know in advance. Perhaps the secretiveness this time is a result of some fans seeing the negative each time a delay in the boxset occured.

I wasn't worried one bit, even after two or three release dates were rescheduled. Didn't bother me because I knew the delays were due to the fact that they needed more time to get a good high quality product out.  And they did.

This x a ridiculously high number.

Once again, you demonstrate that you've neither the least concept of what you're talking about, or what really happened. I admire your consistency. The box was released, in a form expanded from the original three-disc concept (that's a hint, btw) and no amount of theorising on your part can change the inescapable fact that every last thing you claimed about the box being delayed was wrong... and now you've bumped a long-dormant thread for the sole purpose of doing the ashes & sackcloth routine once more: if anything is "kind of sad and disappointing" then it's this.

(... and walks away)

This whole thing could easily be solved if people just ignored him...

The whole thing could also easily be solved if Capitol revealed at least some information, then we'd have something positive to discuss(the music) , but instead we're sniping at each other.

Why was the thread long-dormant? Because Capitol won't reveal the information that would give us something positive to discuss: the music(i.E. the original purpose of this thread: to discuss the contents of the "50th Anniversary" CD releases).

 :-X

You're just looking for attention. We have an original album, PBS documentary and 60-date tour confirmed. Whether you like it or not, it's clear from TSS experience that Capitol doesn't blow smoke these days when it comes to BB releases, either. If they say it's coming out, it will. They might not drip feed us news, but they deliver in the end. It's nonsense to expect anything else at this point.

I'd go so far as to say that The Beach Boys are the Crown Jewel of Capitol Records and they (Capitol) finally know it!

The notion that a company should release info for the soul purpose of forum discussion makes me  :lol.

maybe they are simply still figuring the specifics out right now and that's why we don't know anything..

You would just whinge about whatever they said..

Don't you get it the whole world knows except you!! Your stuck in a matrix of self doubt and pity, thus not revealing the true revelations of the 5oth anniversary celebrations.

Let's not be delusional. Beatles music is EMI's commercially most important product.

Thats not what he said.

Let's be matter of fact. We are fans(meaning fanatics, and in the case of this group's music, completists that will buy any new CD product), but to the general public(even people that have a reasonable fondness for Beach Boys music), they are content with a Greatest Hits CD, and perhaps a few of the group's most famous albums("Pet Sounds","Surfin' U.S.A.","All Summer Long", "Summer Days...and Summer Nights!"). Even if some of those mainstream consumers are aware of Capitol's vague December 2011 announcement of a reunion album or archival products, after a certain number of months or seasons,  if the product(or release announcement) doesn't materialize, those consumers' memories of the December 2011 announcement will eventually fade away.

The sort of people who post here(or on similar fan forums) are the people who care the most about these proposed CD's . The typical CD or download consumer either doesn't know about this proposed CD product, or doesn't care. Without a certain amount of completist fans, there would be no reason for Capitol to release these CD's.

Whether you are pessimistic or optimistic that Capitol will eventually release some or all of these CD projects, the people on this forum are the keepers of the flame(keeping the subject of these proposed CD's afloat), no matter how discouraging(at some points) things may  get.

Go away

*logs off computer, turns on ion turntable with Smile sessions LP.*

A related reply from Ponghit after meeting Alan Boyd last week.  

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12489.75.html

In part....

   Then he said had prepared an iTunes playlist for me, consisting of 86 tracks. After the paramedics arrived to resuscitate my ticker, I geeked-out with his headphones and iPad for... a couple hours, I guess. Here are some specifics from my memories:

   I believe the dates ranged from circa 1963, the 'Audree tapes,' to 1996, the S&S sessions. Many tracks were familiar titles — things like "Little Bird" with BGV & track (no lead), vocal-only of "Time To Get Alone," and "We're Together Again" with strings — but also many completely unreleased titles. I think all eras were represented, including solo Mike.


 "Live Again" is as great as rumored, but not a departure from Dennis's style of the period. "Cuddle Up"/"Old Movie" (2 different tracks/takes) is possibly even moodier and more dramatic/emotional than "Live Again." "Little Red Book" is very cool. "My Solution" is a funny oddity, experimental and interesting — but rough, and ultimately not a terribly important part of the canon; understandably unreleased. Dennis's "Ecology," however, while also experimental and rough, I thought it was of more consequence. Another very cool thing that I hadn't known about is Dennis & Carl's "Barnyard" (no connection to the SMILE tune?). I thought Brian's lead on the 1974 "California Feeling" sounded so odd that I wasn't even sure it was him — Carl's later retake sounds 'right' to my ears. There was an aborted "2,000 Years" string intro/overture for Dennis's "Friday Nights" that contained dated, sitar-sounding elements. Dennis's piano demo of "Be With Me" is a great fly-on-the wall moment. "All Day, All Night" was a highly-repetitive mediation that became "Whistle In." Alternate version of "Add Some Music" is very good, different lyrics. "Walkin'" and "Where Is She?" are SUNFLOWER outtakes. The "Caroline, No" BGV from S&S sessions were shockingly gorgeous, and have a "My Prayer" vibe. And I remember a few live tracks: "Please Let Me Wonder" (1965?), "All I Want To Do," and "Wild Honey" (1972-'73?).

   Overall impression: this batch of material demonstrates, once again, the dynamic and diverse body of work our favorite band created. But it requires the painstaking efforts of people like Alan and Mark Linett to mine the archives for nuggets of gold — and I'm convinced they have the BB's integrity in mind; that's their motivation. (The ENDLESS HARMONY film and HAWTHORNE comp. being just 2 examples.)

   More specifically, based on this collection, I'm guessing most of the best of the unreleased early/'golden era' material has already been tapped — of course, I'd love to be wrong about this presumption. Aficionados of the later periods (post-SMILE), however, have a lot to look forward to if/when these things see the light of day.

   Apparently the music I heard is being potentially considered for a proposed archive compilation, because he asked me which of the tracks stand-out as things that should definitely be released. And Alan is aware of this forum, of course, and reads it occasionally, so our input might have an influence, to an extent.

But if they(Capitol) don't care enough to keep this proposed/upcoming  CD product in the consumers' consciousness, then why should anyone else(other than a bunch of hardcore Beach Boys CD collectors) care?

Because it is only a 'bunch of hardcore Beach Boys CD collectors' who will buy it!

CD's don't cost as much to produce as they once did. Heck....I would just pay for a itunes version of most unreleased stuff. How much would that cost Capitol to release? Nothing, aside from any copy right issues I guess.

Those guys at Apple must be right dummies for not promoting the ipad 4 yet!

This has become the Frowny Frown forum; a joyless thing. My attempt to revive this discussion led us all right back to where we were. No progress has been made towards getting the desired information.

Huh?

Again, Ponghit wrote above.

....Apparently the music I heard is being potentially considered for a proposed archive compilation, because he asked me which of the tracks stand-out as things that should definitely be released. And Alan is aware of this forum, of course, and reads it occasionally, so our input might have an influence, to an extent.

Not just Alan. Oh no indeed.

Your original post, positive in yellow, negative in red:

"It is now obvious that neither the reunion album or the 50-song hits collection(that Mr.Doe spoke of) will be ready for release to coincide with the start of the tour. A reunion album may (possibly) be released this summer, but what is the fate of the "commemorative" releases?

My guess, is that in the absence of any new product to sell(in conjunction with the tour) that Capitol will press more copies of "Sounds of Summer", "Endless Summer" or "Good Vibrations:30 Years of The Beach Boys" and re-promote those products, but for the avid fans looking for new Beach Boys CD product to buy, they are(indefinitely) out of luck. But, to be realistic, the re-promoting of those existing products will be quite satisfactory to the general public, and make plenty of money for Capitol.

And, I should note, that without the feud between Myself & Mr.Doe to keep this thread alive(or at least my presence, to enable people to use me as a scapegoat), this thread quietly came to a halt more than a month ago. I was correct in saying, that with Capitol continuing to stonewall it with the wall of secrecy, that, with respect to archival CD product, there is really nothing more to discuss.

This is kind of sad and disappointing.

Ok, for bettter or worse this thread is up and running again so lets move on.

Andrew or others. What about those songs mentioned by Ponghit?

Jesus Christ, Phil. You don't advertise things by constantly saying 'hey, this album that hasn't been finished and these compilations that haven't been finalised, mastered, designed or whathaveyou is coming out many many months from now, but as they aren't done we can't tell you when!' week in week out. It's all ready when it's ready, and will all be marketed accordingly. I noticed you didn't respond to the news that over 80 tracks are being considered for the rarities set. mind.

Patience is a virtue, mate.

Phil's trolling; getting this reaction turns him on.  He needs a bucket of cold water throwing over him to cool his arousal.

You forgot to include a bit of gymnastics.

Possibly just a coincidence, but my local branch of HMV now has 5, yes, 5 Beach Boys CDs in stock instead of 2 they had this time last year

Today/Summer Days
Pet Sounds
Sunflower/Surf's Up
Sounds of Summer
SMiLE (1 and 2 disk configurations)

Now would be the time to start putting this all into motion with regards to restocking CDs, and I stand by what I said earlier in this thread that they should be putting stickers on all the previous CDs with the 50th logo on to start generating some interest.

To me, it's derived from "Golden Slumbers," but with rounded edges.

Glad to see that our little ray of sunshine is back, Phil, what is the obsession with the phrase 'CD product', you use it with strange regularity. As for the rest of your posts, this -  :violin

It's a record industry term. I guess that term is familiar to me, since I was a CD box set compiler in the 1990's. "CD product" would cover all possibilities; newly recorded material, album remasters & reissues, compilations & box sets. It is all "CD product". Industries produce "Product".  The music biz is an industry. Pop music is an art form, but it is a commercial art form. The companies who market this commercial art are,collectively, an industry.

I would just say CD's, saves quite a lot of typing and people would still understand what you meant even with the superfluous 'product' missing. Oh, and I'm quite aware that the music industry treats everything as a product. You confuse me Phil, I looked back through some of your posts when you first joined this board and you seem to have a genuine passion for the band, which makes the position you have taken over the past 12 months all the more strange. I think you perhaps need a hug.  :hug

I do have a genuine passion for the band. Though I rarely go to concerts in the 21st century, the one time that I went to a Beach Boys concert was at a time when "Friends" was the group's latest album(the "Do It Again" single had been released, but the "20/20" album had yet to be released). The concert hall(Miami Beach Auditorium, now known as "The Theater of the Performing Arts") was nearly full, but no local department store had the "Friends" album, so I special ordered it(I had seen an advertisement for the album in a local music newspaper, and liked the colorful album cover). There were no dedicated record stores in my area until the end of 1968. I bought the "Friends" album because I had liked the group's previous albums. "Friends" didn't get any airplay. I hadn't heard the album before buying it.

In the 21st century ,the music industry has become a paranoid, belligerent "Big Brother" type of industry, but, obviously, older artists such as The Beach Boys(who are from an earlier era) are not to blame for what the music industry has recently become.

It is a bit disappointing that the compiling of the proposed box set or outtakes collection is only beginning now(which is suggested by a forum member who recently met Alan Boyd), which reduces the chance that it will be released this year. Even if the compiling work, artwork & liner notes are completed in the next 90 days, Capitol may decide, after releasing a reunion album, that they don't want another "new" Beach Boys CD release competing against the reunion album.

Phil. You are making progress. Stay positive! ;D

For all we know those 86 (?) songs mentioned, or some of them, may already be well into being considered for a release this year. Ponghit was just asked his opinion. Probably not but any project could be more advanced than was let on.

*sigh* Phil, why do you predict doom for every BBs project...

The title of this thread is "What 'commemorative releases' should we expect for the 50th anniversary" ?  The answer, according to our resident voice of doom is "none whatsoever", thus I humbly suggest we close, indeed scrub, this whole thread, as we all know that what he says inevitably comes to pass and we are therefore only wasting our time here.

But we LIKE shooting fish in a barrel!

My guess, is that the Capitol/BB marketing plan will "flood" the market with "product" as you put it, inticing new and old fans to buy BOTH the new Beach Boys album AND some type of rarities/anthology release.  Both packages will be offered in several configurations.

Then, at the same time, announcements will be made about reconfigured catalog releases, all of them which will start to follow 3 - 12 months after the above.  MORE goodies and GREAT music.

The Beach Boys have a LOT going for them these days: the band has reunited for some EPIC concerts, and they are going to produce a new WONDERFUL record in the 21st century.  (Something the Beatles can't do, sadly.)

IT'S GONNA BE A TOTAL BLAST MAN

My prediction is, in the remaining months of 2012, some of the proposed projects will appear, while others will either be cancelled or "bumped" into 2013. And I would say, that if we don't have an announcement of a finalized title and track listing for the reunion album by early summer, that at least some of the archival projects are in doubt.....or at least in long-term limbo.

When is the time to start worrying? After five months of the Wall of Secrecy have passed(in mid-May 2012).  After all, a five month Wall of Secrecy is what we got after the initial announcement of the "Smile" project.

Worry??  I ain't worried at all. If it happens this year, great! If it happens in 2013, great!  It's really not gonna make much difference if new product is released in weeks, months, or years. It's completely out of our control. So why worry??

See?  No worries, no stress, no anxiety.  No runs, no hits, no errors, nobody left on.

Are you just trying to solicit attention here, Phil?   Do you like to bug people just to get their reactions?  Are you getting a big woodie when posters respond to you personally?  Just wondering.  Try to stay positive and have patience, son.  Good things come to those who wait.

Just a quick survey.

Last year if the SMiLE set was ready to go in August, would anyone have objected if Capitol had put it on hold until November for the original Holmes artwork alone?


It was delayed for whatever reason, be it artwork, new tracks or the information inclosed. Good things come to those who wait remember.

Phil-

what was your reaction to Friends when you heard it in '68?

how long had you been a fan? were you familiar with all the albums up to that point? how old were you, if you don't mind me asking?


how was the concert? was the Maharishi present? did they do any Friends songs? did you know that Brian was not part of the performing group? did you even know who Brian Wilson was specifically?


so many questions... I would love to hear more about the show, anything you may recall.

tell us more Phil! tear down this Wall of Secrecy!!!  ;)

The album is being released June 5th to tie in with the TV special. I'm guessing the track list and title will be finalized before that.

Happy birthday to me

Has Christmas been cancelled guys? It's just that I haven't received a list of the presents I should be getting yet and I get the impression there some Wall of Secrecy going on. Anyone know the date? Maybe it's been bumped into 2013?

At the time of "Friends" release, I thought that it had only a few good songs, but over the years, the album's tranquil "vibe" grew on me, and the album is now one of my favorites. As for the concert, it was a good show. The group(without Brian or Maharishi) seemed to be playing on their own. There were no visible additional players. I was 12 years old at the time. Somewhere, I still have the concert program booklet, which was strictly photos, no information. I had been collecting Beach Boys records since late 1967, buying "Smiley Smile" first, then(in January 1968) "Wild Honey". In fact, I do remember buying "Wild Honey" at a local department store, buying The Rolling Stones' "Their Satanic Majesties Request" on the same visit. Many sources may describe "Wild Honey" as a December 1967 release, but it wasn't available in my area until January 1968.

It's really a shame they released it when they did. I think if they would have say on it until April/May/June it could have done much better. Darlin' is a summer single for sure and it came too quickly in the aftermath of the summer of love, nobody was ready for something like Wild Honey.

Including the Capitol Records release sheet for the week ending December 24th 1967: it was released on Monday the 18th.

But, in the 1960's in the U.S.A., even after an album's official release date, there would be a few weeks where you could hear an album's featured single on the (AM) radio, but the album would not(in reality) be available to purchase. This may(or may not) have been because the sellers of records were (typically) department stores during those days. In most parts of the U.S.A.(excepting New York City & Los Angeles), dedicated record stores began to appear simultaneous with the emergence of rock music on FM radio in late 1968; stations which played album tracks & "underground" music. I would know about these things, having lived during that era. I'm the same age as AGD.

Me too.  Days apart.

Christmas '67 I received The Beatles' "Yesterday & Today" album with a pasteover butcher cover.

"Wall of Secrecy" heh heh heh

Why not the Cone of Silence??

 >:D

We had Tower Records in Sacramento.  They stocked things in a timely fashion.

Phil, a point for you to ponder: why do you think last year I was so sure you were 100% wrong concerning every last thing you claimed or theorised about The Smile Sessions (and was proven correct) ?

Got an answer ?  Good. Now apply that to the current situation you've got your shorts in a knot about (again) and you'll understand why I'm laughing fit to bust every time you hit the Eeyore button.  ;D

Edit.  :P

Two Tower Records in Sac. One on Broadway and one on Watt. My Beatles butcher cover came from the one on Broadway. So did my stack of "BB Making of Holland" books. Use to go to this used record store on 9th St. too. And one at 804 'K' Street in the mall. And one on Alhambra. There was a Beach Boys Concert program from '64 for sale in the 9th St. store. My friend asked to look at it, and the guy behind the counter said, "Careful turning the pages, the staples are rusted and it might fall apart".   ;D

Actually, there were three. There was one in South Sac. Was the shopping center called Southgate (On Florin Road, I believe)? Anyway, I rode my bike there to buy Blonde On Blonde, the day it came out.

Yeah, the third Tower didn't open up until the mid-80's though.

When I was a little kid, I use to live in Southgate, in Parkway Estates off Florin Rd. near the mall.  This was when the first three Beach Boys albums were out and when they first played the Memorial Auditorium.

For those of you who don't know, The Cone of Silence is a reference to the 1960's comedy program "Get Smart", a comedy-spoof of James Bond-type thrillers, starring Don Adams as Agent Maxwell Smart. When Agent Smart and his superiors were at a meeting and they got underneath the Cone of Silence, no one could hear what anyone else was saying, rendering communication impossible.

Capitol's Wall of Secrecy is a bit like the Cone of Silence.

In as much as both are entirely fictional constructs, I completely agree with you.

It's like water off a troll's back.

I don't know how many times I need to say it, we desperately need a suicide emoticon.

That or the return of the 'ignore' button.

I wonder if we got you and Phil together in the same room we'd see a good ol' fashioned fist fight.

In the mud. Yes! I don't know about their pugilistic skills, however...

Someone once challenged a writer - the name Voltaire comes to mind - to a duel over something he'd written. His response was along the lines of:

"Very well, since you have challenged me I have the choice of weapons: I choose words. You're dead."  ;D

Or as a tshirt someone gave me years ago put it, "I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent".

More like the "Cohen of Silence"......

Looks like AGD's speechless for once!

Allow me:

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol ;D :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :-D :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Your off your wig!

Who isn't these days. Governmental corruption, economic disaster, environmental catastrophe, Wilsonian conspiracy. Choose your poison my friend.

Wilsonian conspiracy? More like Capitol(records) punishment.

* Note: The original meaning of the phrase "Capitol Punishment" was Mike Love's description of The Beach Boys' harsh 3 albums per year 1960's recording contract. In the 1960's,the group found clever ways of dealing with the situation: 3 "Best of" L.P.'s, two concert albums, a Christmas Album, a Karaoke album, and a sloppy acoustic hootenanny sing-along album. In fact, it would appear that with "Stack O Tracks", that The Beach Boys invented Karaoke. As for "Live in London", you'll remind me that it wasn't released until 1972(in Holland) & 1976(in the U.S.A.). That's correct, but the recordings themselves were from 1968, and it would appear that the reason why Capitol were ultimately permitted to release it, was so that the group could avoid giving another studio album to Capitol.

You do write some alarming old tosh for someone who's been involved with the music biz, don't you ?

Firstly, the three Best Of... were the idea of Capitol, not the band, so bang goes your premise on that point. Secondly, Live In London was originally released in May 1970, in the UK, but was handed to Capitol in the US in early 1970 (it was mixed at the Tower in late January that year) in lieu of the Reverberation album the band had prepared for their final Capitol offering but decided to hang on to to use as a basis for the first Reprise release. For whatever reason (probably the fact that it didn't chart in the UK), Capitol declined to release it until 1976.

The Netherlands release of "Live in London"(the import that Americans encountered) had to be released 1972 or later, because, inside the gatefold sleeve, there were advertisements for other Bovema/EMI Beach Boys albums, including "Surf's Up"

Not denying that, but the UK release - which you seem to be completely unaware of as you didn't mention it ("As for "Live in London", you'll remind me that it wasn't released until 1972(in Holland) & 1976(in the U.S.A.).") - came out two years earlier and was definitely available on import shortly after in the States.

Whatever, it's late here, I've just had a pretty tiring journey and need some sleep as tomorrow could be a most interesting day.

In The Netherlands Live In London was originally released in March 1971. According to Dutch reviews I've read, probably either in the week of March 22-28th, or a week earlier (15-21st).
I have at least 4 different different pressings, one of them being a copy with a fold-out front, showing part of the Pet Sounds Cover, and with ads for (a.o.) the Surf's Up album. But that probably is a later pressing, which is apparently the one you also have, Phil.

Really....New album news, expanded tour, re-release news?

Or just a big day in front of the telly? ;D

Andrew is going to reveal himself to the world as Supereme Overlord Of The Known And Unknown Universes, just look at his avatar! Unfortunately, due to it being April Fools day no-one will take Andrews proclamation seriously.

 :lol he's going to announce that the new album will make TSS stink.

Yes, the pressing that I have is the one with the fold-out front.

Here are the ones I have.  Back in the mid 70's, the first two were fairly difficult to find new in record stores.

http://www.discogs.com/Beach-Boys-Live-In-London/release/607442

http://www.musicstack.com/item/143491659

http://www.musicstack.com/item/213560412

http://www.discogs.com/Beach-Boys-Live-In-London/release/1943881

the second one (with the Pet Sounds pic) is available in 2 variations: one as a fold out (the 1970 pic being the part that folds out) and one with a standard cover (same layout, but in one piece).  (EDIT: must admit that I can't find the standard cover right away in my collection, but I'm sure it exists)

Live In London can be found in many variations. Unique covers from the UK, Germany, Australia, and South Africa.

Can't remember if I've ever seen one without the gatefold sleeve (w/Pet Sounds). Just remember I couldn't find ANY copy of Live In London in the Bay Area and ended up finding one at Peaches Records in Los Angeles. That's all they had was ONE. And this was around '74 or '75, not that long after the release!

Hmmm....It was posted early morning Uk time yet it is 'late here'.

He's a party animal and just got home.
or
He's visiting Phil (where ever he is) to 'discuss a few matters!'
or
He's in LA. Liner notes for re-releases or such? Taking over falsetto from Jeff and Matt?



Funny sort of comment IMO. And thats from a guy who has said a few! :lol

hardee hardee har har har

"sorry about that, Chief!"

If there's not a "Cohen of Silence", then there's definitely a Cohenspiracy here.

Ok let's break the silence

Yesterday, the ninth of april I heard an alt mix of Surfin' Safari on the Dutch radio 1.

listen here: http://nos.nl/radiouitzending/9579-met-het-oog-op-morgen-2300-uur.html (http://nos.nl/radiouitzending/9579-met-het-oog-op-morgen-2300-uur.html)

42:42 to 45:38 = almost 3 minutes long!

Alt mix means including overdubbed new instruments.
Now my question is: Has anybody heard this, is this a remix by an outsider, or is this an official part of a forthcoming 'commemorative release'?

Thanks for the link!


please no!

I think that's definitely an outside job. None of those overdubs sound like real instruments, it's like a karaoke backing track. Horrible, just horrible. What do the presenters say just before they play the track?

before: they talk about the american politics, and after: they talk about a surf museum in Great Brittain.

& she only said: these were the Beach Boys, of course

Oh right thanks for that! Weird that they would play that instead of the original though! Probably just a mistake by somebody at the station I guess.

I don't know... it's not a station that would play very obscure mixes, and...

maybe this was done around the time of that other overdub session: the 'new' Do It Again.

I wouldn't be surprised if that piano was played by Scott Bennett. That glissando on the keys is his style.

Sounds like they took the vocal from an early take of the song and added modern music to make it sound decent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiEgYq1PxdU

I can't imagine that remix being on the new cd,let's be honest if they do a remix it will end up being something with a dance beat,rap/techno,this sounds like a fan mix and sounds real cheesy..

The fact that the song is extended via a bad edit back to the second chorus (the rest just repeats) demonstrates how amateurish this track is. Perhaps a test edit for a Beach Boys Rock Band game?  :p

I sincerely hope you're joking when you say that. If not then it's the flat-out dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on any BW board, at any time, any where.  >:(

Although I frequently checked for Beach Boys product at record stores in the early 70s, i was unaware of the existence of Live in London until sometime in 1972 when a friend bought a copy of the Netherlands pressing at an independent record store.  I rushed over to the store to get a copy as well, but they said they had no more.  They told me they would attempt to get one for me, but both they and the other record stores I contacted were unable to do.  It would be around a year or two later when I finally procured my own copy, which was of the UK pressing. 

I do recall that there was a period of time when the major US record companies discouraged record stores from carrying imports, I think by claiming that the US companies alone had the rights to distribute products in the US by artists who were under contract to those companies.

Looks like AGD had nails for breakfast again.   :afro

Nah, just pointing out that anyone who seriously thinks that pile of sh*t would be on an official 50th anniversary release either needs hearing aids or shouldn't be out in the community without a minder.

I've heard it before somewhere a few years ago.

Just spotted that a download-only remastered version of the Surfin' Safari album is scheduled to become available at Amazon Uk on April 19. Don't think this is legit in the usual way and wonder if it's down to a copyright expiry? Is Capitol in danger of dropping a ball? (I somehow doubt it...)

No bonus tracks

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007KT5V76/

Hmm that looks very bootleg-esque.

But anyways, since there hasn't been much in the way of news lately, what does everybody think we will get as far as the "commemorative releases" besides the box set. I would love for another compilation like Endless Harmony to come out with a bunch of totally previously unreleased songs, but I somewhat get the feeling that they will probably just use the best unreleased material that is still in the can on the box set.

I also think there is the possibility that maybe we get new special editions of certain albums, most likely Sunflower and Surf's Up, as I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in a Linnett/Boyd interview as a possibility. And if they had to choose albums to do two-disc special editions, those are likely the ones I would pick, as there is supposedly some prime material to choose from, with things like "I'm Going Your Way" and "Where Is She" from Sunflower and stuff like "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again" and probably some other cool stuff for Surf's Up.

Therefore, I gotta say that either a rarities compilation or deluxe editions of a few classic albums is within reason.

Then less realistically, I kinda was hoping that they would reissue the groups entire discography on standalone CDs. However as over a quarter of the year has gone by since the announcement, I just kinda get the feeling that they won't do that, especially as non "hits" albums by The Beach Boys besides Pet Sounds and SMiLE probably won't shift that many copies, especially compared to other Capitol/EMI artists like The Beatles and Pink Floyd. However, if they actually did re-release all the albums on their own with bonus tracks, that would probably be the best thing we could wish for. I doubt it though.

It's fun to dream at least. Hopefully we'll hear some news on the tracklist and title of the new studio album soon, and also some updates on the catalog releases, so we will be able to more realistically assess what might be coming our way.

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We'll be lucky if, sometime later this year, that the reunion album is actually released. As for archival releases, they are looking increasingly like a lost cause.

As ever, talking through your arse.

1 - the album will NOT be released 'later this year'. It will be released, at the latest, in early June. Fact. So STFU. You, as ever, don't know what you're talking about. Others do. There's a reason they don't talk to you. You're an idiot, and that is the exact word used to me by someone who does know what's going on.  ;D

2 - the archival reissue program is similarly on track. There's a lot of the year left.

3 - stop pontificating on subjects which you have absolutely no knowledge of. It makes other folk annoyed, and makes you look more of a complete fool than you already appear.

Agree absolutely Phil. That album that's reportedly almost there is Probably a figment of the Beach Boys' collective deluded imaginations.

Apparently this craziness is spreading - bunch of folk had a collective mass hysteria the other day and reported seeing the Beach Boys perform at a Dodgers game. Poor fools...

Apparently - get this - some hoaxers are making big bucks selling tickets for a "beach Boys 50th reunion tour"! It'd be funny if it wasn't so serious.

Archive releases? Who takes that idea seriously? No-one here. Let's sit down and chat about it while your nurse gets here. How did you sneak out by the way...?

 :lol

Burned!

Here's Phil right now:
(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/282218_o.gif)

Accompanying video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yunSRfnsVck

Wonderful! And nice to put a face to the name... (?)

If the reunion album was really going to be released in early June(7 weeks from now), then the album would have a title and track listing, the album would be at CD pressing plants in the manufacturing stage, reviewers would have reviewer's test pressings or promotional CD's, and distributors would now be accepting preorders from dealers, and online dealers would be accepting preorders from consumers. None of these things are happening. Until those things happen, there is no reunion album in the foreseeable future. To date, this group has not delivered the goods.

heh heh

maybe they'll be issuing "Landlocked" on June 5.........

 8)

Not Me.

Yes, it might well have a title and track listing. But we wouldn't necessarily know those things.

You. Are. A. Troll.

You are unrealistic.

Well, you have been right about everything so far....

 :lol

Exactly.  :lol

May I point out that just because you've heard nothing about any of this doesn't mean it's not been happening. I'm going to say it again - other people know stuff that you have not the faintest notion about. The promo machine is rolling along. Here's an example: announced release date of new album, June 5th... air date of the PBS Summer's Gone TV special, June 7th. Whoa, isn't that an amazing coincidence ? The album is being released two days before a 90-minute TV special - incredible !

Wait...

You don't think... maybe... someone arranged it like that. Like, some kind of promotional thing ?

Andrew, you're gonna have to give us more than that.

First, is this documentary you claim is being/has been made going to be broadcast on ITV or BBC? The fact that you're withholding such information suggests you're complicit in this cover-up by Capitol, the Beach Boys, Phil's nurse and the FBI.  Clearly if it's going out on ITV then it's hardly going to be 90 minutes in actualarianism, as they have to allow for several ad breaks of up to five minutes.

Second, erm, that's it.

There's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much more I could tell you.*

But I won't, just to piss Phill off.  ;D

[* - denotes statement which may or may not be true]

Phil is like a back pimple

I'm actually worried. Because Phil Cohen is wrong about *absolutely* everything, always, so we now know the album will come out on time... but he hasn't said it'll be terrible and worse than Summer In Paradise, so it might still actually be bad. If we just can get him to say that, then we'll know we'll have something that combines the best elements of Pet Sounds, Smile and Love You into a coherent whole...

Your an expert at messing with Phil's head at this point. :lol

Funny that you mention "Summer in Paradise". It is one of only two Beach Boys CD's that I don't have(the other is "Stars and Stripes", the collaboration with country singers). Country music isn't my bag, and I didn't buy "Summer in Paradise" because it has no Brian Wilson involvement. Now deleted, "Summer in Paradise" now brings big money(near $100) as a rarity.

Statistically speaking, as long as he persists, he will in all likelihood, eventually, get something right.  Eventually.






Possibly.









Perhaps.













And Hell might freeze over…

Well, Hell DID freeze over......for Don Henley, Glenn Frey, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh & Don Felder ! (check out their album "Hell Freezes Over")

Well I never.  Did you know that the "B" in Timothy B. Schmit (only one "t" by the way, and "i" after "m" – as in Smit, not Shimt) stands for Bruce, coincidentally the adopted name of Bruce Johnston, of The Beach Boys, who joined the band in 1965 following the departure of Glen Campbell who had been temporarily recruited to allow Brian Wilson to spend more time in the studio. Bruce Johnston is actually a stage name; he was born Benjamin Baldwin on June 27, 1942. That was the date on which the last of eight Nazi saboteurs, intent on damaging the US arms industry, were held by the FBI. The two events – Benjamin's birth and the arrest of the Nazi agents – are unrelated.  None of the Nazi agents was called Schmit.

Benjamin Baldwin's adoptive parents legally changed his name to Bruce Arthur Johnston, so it is not a stage name. It has been his actual name since early childhood.

Brilliant!

I know there's a lot of Smiler's out there who want a box set of the concert released...and I'm one of them. But let's say Capitol was testing the waters and just made a 2 disc set to see how it'd do and they basically put out a "greatest concert performances" disc out...what would you put on there? I myself would love to put on some rarities for the most part. Heck, give us the better parts of the more "well known" concerts: a handful of songs from Lei'd in Hawaii, 5 songs from live in Chicago in 65, 5 goodies from Big Sur from the early 70s, selections we never heard from the first In Concert (Jumpin Jack Flash, You Need a Mess of Help, etc), some Beachago tunes, the left overs from Live in Knebworth in 80, and some of the rarities performed during the "box set" tour/concert (from 93 I believe?) 

Just an idea to chew on for a bit

I really don't like compilation concert albums. I'd rather have a full night, or like at least have all the songs be from the same 12 month period or something.

I think an approach like Dylan's Rolling Thunder Bootleg Series would be the way to go for a 70's live release (so much of the coolest stuff was only done once or twice, like the Dennis material), but all the other periods are easily representable by one show.

The beach boys went through 4 or 5 distinct eras in the 70s, to combine them into one release would be criminal. Unless, of course, it was just the hits. Surfer girl in 73 won't sound too different from surfer girl in 78.

Weren't Brian and Dennis' voices in better shape and Bruce not in the group in '73?

Compare this video to the "in concert" version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmDUAvCl87g

In the Spring 2012 edition of Endless Summer Quarterly we discuss the release.  Box set and compilation are both on the way!! Subscribe to ESQ today!

Awesome! Gotta get mine

Not sure if this has been mentioned but on Amazon there is a preorder for a 2 disc Good Timin': Live at Knebworth with a May 29 release date. Maybe this will be the complete show?

Or perhaps a CD/DVD combo  :(

Oh, good call. I didn't even think about that. 

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

In your face Phil!

Duh, should have clarified - an early 70's release, which imo wouldn't be best served by just releasing, say, the Carnegie Hall 72 show.

Could be nothing - I've seen one of those shady budget reissues once of Live at Knebworth, with the regular tracks spread over two discs. But who knows.

this stuff is discussed in ESQ

Aye, but it's nice to discuss it here too…  !   ;D

This fresh Knebworth release is listed as being on Eagle Rock.  They put out the original CD and DVD packages early last decade, and the later combo, so I suspect it's a re-issue of the latter. Nothing on their website yet…

Maybe there's something in the new issue of ESQ? Anyone?    ;D

Yeah, the new issue of ESQ will reveal it all!  :banana

I just want the complete studio albums box set.  I hope they give us that.

At around 30 albums, that would be some hefty box. Maybe they'll package it some other way.

I want a Pet Sounds multi-tracks disc. No, make that every album.

Hefty indeed!  It's been done with some great results with Miles Davis' complete Columbia recordings (totaling 52 albums in 70cd's + 1dvd + booklet)
http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B00305GXWG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334599998&sr=8-1
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YouTube video of the unboxing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LydJ8nHg4I

Yeah but jazz heads are all seriously minted and obsessive about that sort of stuff it seems -- I doubt even a lot of serious Beach Boys fans would spring for a huge 30-albums-plus box set, especially when some of those 30 albums are just terrible and space-wasters!

I would of course welcome new remasters of the albums released individually instead of putting them into one big box but I believe the BB deserve to have a nice complete box set right alongside The Beatles or Pink Floyd.  Considering the BB catalog is half the size of this Miles Davis set, I don't see how a 30 (replica mini-LP packaging) CD set going for probably around $150-$180 would be completely out of the question for many fans.

Do you guys have an alternative online payment method other than PayPal? 

Does this mean anything?

http://www.lastfm.com/music/The+Beach+Boys/Surfin%27+Safari+%28Classic+Album+Digitally+Remastered%29

Surfin' Safari

A mono box?

Yeah.. right... thanks.  ??? ;)

It's on amazon too but the "label" means nothing. I think it might be a bit of licensed opportunism...

No post from Eeyore of late? He must be fuming about the Do It Again Zinepak and the Thats Why God Made The Radio promo!

If you are referring to me(I don't know what an Eeyore is, though I've seen that term used before), having the fans buy a magazine & 10 already released tracks, to get one unreleased track(the remake of "Do It Again") is not exactly a good value. And typically, the Walmart in my area won't stock these "sold only at Walmart" CD's. At least that's what happened with John Fogerty & Jimi Hendrix items manufactured only for Walmart. A Hendrix fan in New York(who contacted me through an online music forum) bought six spare Hendrix CD singles at his local Walmart, and(out of the kindness of his heart) gave them to fans who couldn't obtain the item at their local Walmart. I returned the favor by cloning a 6-CD Hendrix bootleg("Astro Man") for him.

As for the reunion album, I'm not going to waste any more effort on it. This isn't "Smile", you know? I can only hope that (if for whatever reasons) that the group can't complete & release the reunion album, then at least the archival projects might still be released. I'll buy the reunion album(if Capitol releases it), but the unreleased /remixed stuff from the "Good Ol' Days" is what I want most.

Eeyore, as you damn well know, is the pessimistic, gloomy, depressed, anhedonic*, old grey stuffed donkey from the Winnie The Pooh stories. And Capitol, as you equally damn well know, will release the new album according to schedule: currently it's in the final stages of mixing. This is not conjecture, or my opinion, this is fact. The 'single' has been previewed, albeit not entirely legally, and the WalMart deal isn't aimed at the likes of us.

[* - anhedonia: the inability to experience pleasure from activities usually found enjoyable]

Not a good value for who? I think it is a good value for the very casual music consumer. Record companies have long known that the Walmart crowd (I have never set foot in one, just for the record) are middle America; many do not regularly buy music. If you can penetrate this segment of the market, it will pay off. This package makes perfect commercial sense.

Phil can't be a real person can he? 

It's life Jim, but not as we know it.

But some of the avid fans might want to have the remake of "Do It Again" in their collections, too.

Anhedonia? There might be an element of truth in that. I haven't become totally incapable of experiencing pleasure, but, after 46 years of seriously collecting recorded music(though I had a few records before that), it is definitely a case of diminishing pleasure, as the quest to obtain more sometimes gets in the way of enjoying what I've already got. There's no doubt that I find it very unfunny when performers or record companies play games with the fans over the release of CD product. And as the years go by, and fewer classic rock artists have any vault material remaining, the remaining artists who hold vault materials are, increasingly, being temperamental prima donnas about it(the worst of these artists are undoubtedly Crosby,Stills, Nash & Young). My critics will probably call me impatient, but it's not exactly that. It's a feeling that these companies & artists aren't treating the fans/consumers with the respect that they deserve. To any of these artists who float the idea of box sets or archival releases in front of their fans, then don't deliver the goods, I say this: your fans aren't getting any younger. How 'bout releasing these materials while the original fans are still on this planet? If these artists wait too long, one of these days, the fans(and the music industry) will be dead and buried.

How dare they not give a release date for the new album and not send out promotional materials containing the new single and the group talking about how great it is  for us!

Oh, hang on....

Shall I tell you the degree of respect the average record company - and artist - extend to the fans & consumers ? They follow the Barnum dictum to the letter: "there's one born every minute". Not just the archival stuff either - you taken a look at the career of Katy Perry or Lady Gaga recently ?

And... if something isn't giving you the pleasure it used to - move on and find something new that does. I'm not saying this out of any real concern for your well-being, more because it would result in you stopping being such a complete f*ckwit and boring the nuts off all of us here into the bargain.

oh, come on, Andrew. you always get mad when people don't properly cite your website as a source, and here you are barely paraphrasing wikipedia.

from the Wikipedia Eeyore article: "He is generally characterized as a pessimistic, gloomy, depressed, anhedonic, old grey stuffed donkey who is a friend of the title character, Winnie-the-Pooh."

This was easy to spot because I learned the word anhedonic from the Eeyore article.

I'm not 'barely paraphrasing', I'll have you know - it's a straight cut & paste.  ;D

And you gotta admit, it's a scarily accurate summary of Cohen.

For better(or I would say worse), it is obvious that the "strategy"(if you could call it that) of Capitol Records & The Beach Boys is totally opposite of most record companies & classic rock back catalogue artists, with respect to promoting an upcoming archival release. Most other artists/labels reveal track listings & release dates months in advance and build consumer "buzz" through publicity(such as that for upcoming archival releases such as the expanded editions of Paul McCartney's "Ram" or the expanded multi disc reissues by Small Faces). As for The Beach Boys & Capitol, their strategy is make an initial vague announcement, then tell the public absolutely nothing until 6 months later, while keeping all individuals involved in these projects gagged with strict secrecy/confidentiality contracts.

Actually, no - it's just you they tell nothing: everyone else here has been aware of what's been happening in real time.  ;D

For fecks sake, the new album will be released on June 05th 2012 as confirmed by the band, the record label, ESQ and others whether you like it or not. The album is available for pre-order on amazon.com. Just what the hell is wrong with you? The above statement higlighted in bold beggars belief.



Oh and the below is the well known and beloved character Eeyore, which apparently you have never heard of.  ::)

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Chump.

I generally try to stay out of the Neverending Phil And Andrew Battle Royale And Periodic Dick-Waving Contest -- both sides inevitably end up looking less than classy -- but Phil, you chose the wrong example in this instance when you cited McCartney's RAM reissue. If you look at the details of that one, it was arguably WORSE than how the BBs handled the SMiLE box set. First off, Paul started off a YEAR-AND-A-HALF of speculation by simply IMPLYING that Ram would be an upcoming reissue, with a little slip of paper inserted into the BOTR reissue. It was only confirmed in March 2012 that Ram would indeed be the next album reissued, and it the full contents and configurations were only finally announced on Macca's website last week, a mere month before the release date. In contrast, the BBs announced that SMiLE would be released "later this year" in February 2011, followed that up with a Record Store Day release in April, followed THAT up with a special 45 in MOJO in June, and then announced all the configurations and track lists on September 1st, a full 2+ months before the release date. You were wrong about SMiLE last year, and I pretty much expect that you're wrong about everything this year too. In fact, if you wouldn't mind giving us all a heads-up on what the next Mega Millions numbers WON'T be, we can all go in on the tickets, and we'll be able to afford all this stuff you think won't be released this year.

Cheers, and please stop.
Your pal and occasional defender,

Sean, while you correct on every respect, I take exception with you calling out Andrew. Anyone here has a right to call out Phil every time he posts his malarky. Like you say, he is always off the mark with all his naysaying  posts regarding The Boys, and especially Capitol and it's marketing strategies. You would think that after all that has happened to him here, that he would rethink his own thoughts and strategies. He never has, and I suspect that he never will. Our reactions are the express reason why he posts here. For Phil, he reaps what he sows.

Amazon.com has stated the complete track listing for the deluxe box edition for Paul McCartney's "Ram" for more than a month.

Actually, the track list was leaked and posted on a number of websites starting on March 21st, but Amazon was NOT among them at first. It was a few more weeks before Amazon posted track listings. Either way, your response is a classic example of a sad "gotcha!" rebuttal while missing the entire larger point of my response.

I think about 99% of the "calling out" in my post was aimed at Phil, but I'll stand by what I said in the other 1%. I do understand that AGD's seemingly bottomless well of enmity for Phil comes mostly from frustration at having to read his consistently wrong prognostications while knowing the specific details (even if he doesn't share them with us) of just how wrong he is. However, and this is only my own opinion, a lot of Andrew's "corrective" posts come across as mean-spirited and petty -- maybe it's just the cumulative tonnage of rebuttals he feels he needs to post, but I do think that in his zeal to convince Phil to "STFU" (AGD's usual refrain), he lowers himself in the process. Personally, I think that Phil's reputation for gloom-and-doom -- and his record of being dead wrong -- is established well enough that a silent eye roll and a scroll to the next post is more than enough response.

By the way, I have one bit of good news for you:unlike other CD exclusives created for Walmart, Walmart will accept online orders for the Zinepack, sparing me and many others from an in-person trip to Walmart that would have likely resulted in coming home empty-handed. The nearest Walmart is in a predominately African-American neighborhood, and yet, oddly, their selection of CD's is mainly Cuban music.

Also, when my existing CD backorders(21 preordered discs which run through May 30,2012) have run their course, I intend to go on hiatus from the hobby of music collecting for a while. May all the CD's that you wish for come to be.

Sadly Walmart doesn't ship international.

Sort of like the situation that I encounter with "Stones Archives", an official Rolling Stones website which sells both MP3 & lossless FLAC downloads of previously unreleased Rolling Stones concerts...but they won't sell to people in the U.S.A.(The Stones' U.S.A. licensee "Google Music" sells only MP3 versions), so I get people outside the U.S.A. to copy the lossless versions for me. No way am I going to pay for the less than CD sound quality of MP3.

No doubt, the Zinepack will be resold on Ebay, and you'll be able to find it there.