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101  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Marcella on: April 08, 2020, 11:00:50 AM
Well, this thread escalated quickly Wink

Lovely discussion, guys. I guess "my" version doesn't really fit the 1972 standard. Which is fine. I still think Marcella is a killer track. I do prefer the live version, though.

I like both yours and the original, SonicVolcano.

I'm struggling to hear what part of these sound like anyone other than Carl and Jack Rieley:

The nasally strain comes entirely from Rieley's lower harmony. Carl sounds like any other Carl vocal, clear as anything. There are no traces of either Brian or Ricky in this.

As for the live performance on In Concert, Al sings the harmony above Mike, same as the studio version. Blondie sings Carl's studio part (kept by Carl in the Carnegie Hall performance though) and I'm not sure who takes the lower Jack harmony because it's right down in the mix, probably either Carl or Ricky. And Dennis sings the answering lead similar to the two choruses (which is a second Mike in the studio fade).

Hey, I finally hear Jack Rieley's part.

For the unknown vocal, if it's not Carl, which I still agree with SaltyMarshmallow is very likely, could it be Billy Hinsche?  I don't know his voice a lot, but I know c-man says he is on a lot of the AFM's for this album.  Not that I know any of these voices well enough either, so this is probably a wild goose chase on my part: any chance on Marilyn or Diane singing slightly differently?  Or Tony Martin, Jr because he sings on Sail On, Sailor (around the same time frame)?
102  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Marcella on: April 08, 2020, 08:49:37 AM
(Bumping request for repost of the Marcella console tape because I can't find the thread it was in, pretty please?)

Found it...,25074.0.html

Was hoping for the complete console tape but oh well Tongue

Sorry about that...forgot to look through Alan Boyd's posts, but I just tried and also can't find it.
103  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Marcella on: April 07, 2020, 08:18:22 PM
(Bumping request for repost of the Marcella console tape because I can't find the thread it was in, pretty please?)

Found it...,25074.0.html
104  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First appearance of clarinets on BBs record (and final?) on: April 07, 2020, 08:00:45 AM
My quick wiki search (which I regularly update to include the findings of you, c-man, and our other board experts) turns up nothing pre-Pet Sounds, adds Time to Get Alone, and I currently have nothing from 15BO other than R&RM and Had to Phone Ya.   I haven't heard all of Adult/Child yet and cannot comment on that.
105  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Wilson solo live shows? on: April 04, 2020, 05:38:06 PM
I emailed him today and he said it was out of print, that he may do another printing later and he would let me know.

Good to know, thanks.
106  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Wilson solo live shows? on: April 04, 2020, 01:22:21 PM
To c-man:

Those POB essays are amazing.  Read them countless times.  Thanks so much for doing that- it is appreciated.  I also enjoyed the essays for Summer Days/Summer Nights and Today- nice getting to see proof of Carl and the others playing their own instruments.

Regarding Ken Sharp's book- does anyone know if you can still get one?  Back when people were discussing it here I emailed him a few times to order but never got a response.

I’ll also take a copy if it’s out there in the universe somewhere.
107  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian talks about several Beach Boys songs on: April 03, 2020, 08:40:39 PM
Re "Please Let Me Wonder" clip... Brian suggests that it's him saying "I love you" at the end.  Hmmm... always sounded like Carl to me.  ??

Agreed. I was confused when I heard that too. It would make more sense for Brian to do it because it’s his lead vocal, but it sounds a lot like Carl. But then again, how many times did the members of this band emulate the others’ voices? A lot, right?
108  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Kokomo: Robbie Robertson Went There First? on: April 02, 2020, 08:12:37 PM
FWIW, one wonders if Chuck really held a grudge or just happened to be in a bad mood on the occasions when Brian and David approached him.  Carl once said that Chuck told him that he loved Surfin' U.S.A.  And why wouldn't he?  After all, Chuck actually made a fortune on Surfin' U.S.A.  Though imprisoned when the song came out, his management threatened Murry with a lawsuit, and Murry responded by assigning 100% ownership of the publishing to Chuck's Arc Music. 

I thought he was okay with it, but it was the publishers who were pissed (I’ll have to dig out my copy of the Brown Eyed Handome Man bio). Doesn’t a Chuck Berry live album either feature him mentioned, in the intro or on the cover, as writing/co-writing Surfin’ USA?
109  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: String section on \ on: March 24, 2020, 02:46:23 PM
So are Carl, Dennis, and David Marks still on the final BB version, or is it just session musicians?  If so, is this the first BB song that Carl isn't on (I thought it would have been WDFFIL)
110  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Maureen Love Information? on: March 24, 2020, 02:04:54 PM
Was Maureen the first female musician to play on a BBs session?
Audree sang on earlier non BBs demos, but I think Maureen's harp predates Carol's bass.

Well, Carol Kaye played guitar on the BW-Bob Norberg version of "Back Home", cut June 14. That predates Maureen's harp performance on "Catch A Wave" by exactly one month ("In My Room" was tracked two days later), although technically it's not a "Beach Boys" session.

Very interesting. Is Maureen the only sibling of a BBs band member to play on any material by this band?

Mike has many siblings, but not sure any of them ever made any other cameos on any song.
And I can't think of any cameos by siblings of any of the other members either.

Well, Brian, Carl, and Dennis each had two siblings that played and sang on a bunch of the records.  Wink LOL

A copy of this is sitting somewhere in my collection:

I had no idea this existed.

Is this song "Add Some Love To Your Day" a cover of "Add Some Music To Your Day"?

And if so, does this mean that she is the forerunner in the Love family of making Love name puns in song titles?

I think definitely with the puns.
111  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who is this guy on the far left? on: March 22, 2020, 10:13:27 AM
I don't remember the guy's name, but in the '90s they had a guitar tech who played a solo on one tour. This photo looks earlier, it could be a guest from the opening act.

Stanley T. Sitchell, I believe.

In other news, is the roadie/opening act guest holding a Fender Electric XII?
112  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN vid 3 - How to play the intro on: March 19, 2020, 08:30:26 PM
Hey all - if you are using this time of lockdown to learn how to play stuff on guitar, consider my humble thoughts on how to play the Introduction to Wouldn't it be Nice on guitar.


Thank you!! I’ll definitely look at this tomorrow!!
113  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread on: March 17, 2020, 09:43:32 AM
He sounded fine to me.

Thanks jeffh, good to know I’m probably hearing things  Wink Well actually it’s not good for me, but it’s good for Al.  LOL
114  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: March 15, 2020, 02:06:56 PM
Been doing research on M&B's March and April tour dates that have been impacted by coronovirus cancellations and found the following results.
And a question mark:
April 1 -- New Bedford, MA (Zeiterion Performing Arts Center)
Theater closed through March 31. Still on?

Good question, which I have to look into, because I was supposed to attend this show with two family members.
115  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good Vibes Only Dramedy w. The Beach Boys Music From John Stamos In Works At HBO on: March 14, 2020, 05:49:05 PM
I appreciate that Stamos is a big fan of the band, and I think he means well. That said, I still think his ongoing association with the band just makes people associate the brand with cornball lameness, because Stamos has pretty much only done lame, cornball content as an actor. (I admit to watching and liking Full House when I was a kid).

Whoever made the comparison to if The Rolling Stones kept endlessly associating the brand with David Hasselhoff was a great analogy.

I hope this doesn't suck.

I'm still completely baffled why Mike & Bruce didn't appear as "The Beach Boys" on Fuller House. That cornball fluff seems like the perfect vehicle for M&B. There must be a reason, but I sure don't know it.

1. Not everything Stamos has done has been cornball. Does no one remember that he did 3 seasons on ER? Call me crazy, but I still think he has a “Travolta In Pulp Fiction” in him somewhere.

2. Fuller House focuses on Candace Cameron’s, Jodie Sweetin’s, and Andrea Barber’s characters.  The Beach Boys weren’t from their generation (Fuller House’s equivalent to what the BB were to Full House? New Kids On The Block).

Yeah but Candace Cameron’s character won the tickets to see the BB in Full House?  Wink
116  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian to tour UK on: March 12, 2020, 12:11:27 PM
Reunion aside, the band has never really been one whose members turn up at others gigs and jam, with the exception of David Marks.
I’d be surprised if it happened with Brian, Mike, Al and Bruce this late in the game.

Has David Marks appeared at any B&A or M&B shows after 2015? And did we ever get an explanation why David didn’t stay with Brian and Al; I’m assuming so he could remain neutral and on okay terms with Mike for 2014 at Jones Beach and the Ella Awards and 2015 in the UK.
117  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread on: March 10, 2020, 01:31:06 PM
I hate to bring back up the “Brian shouldn’t be on tour” thing and I’m not saying Brian should/shouldn’t be on tour. I know that some people said Al was talk-singing his way from the PS set. What I am asking is if Al is getting bored of the tour routine and/or is losing some of his range (“Help Me Rhonda” and “Sloop John B” in particular).
118  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: March 08, 2020, 04:00:59 PM
So did Mike for "Made in California" I believe ("Going to the beach"). But I agree with you guys.

They (Al?) updated Loop De Loop for Endless Harmony too as I recall.

Yes, Al.

Why did Mike have Scott Totten overdub “Goin’ to the Beach.” This may be a stupid comparison I could fix from carefully A/B’ing the two versions, but  the solo is Scott Totten and not Carl, correct? (sadly)
119  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mark Linett interview with multitracks on Produce Like A Pro Youtube Channel on: February 29, 2020, 08:26:30 AM
Perhaps slightly off topic, but does Sun Records still exist?

Yes, both the label and the studio still exist, but they are separate companies. The label mostly focuses on reissues and the occasional new artist, while the studio mostly focuses on tours during the day and sessions during the night.
120  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / The Dave Clark Five on: February 27, 2020, 10:39:02 AM
Any love for the DC5 over here?  Since the group vanished from the airwaves after the '80's or so (and I was born after that), I discovered the band from the 2014 PBS documentary.  I had to import a 2008 UK compilation into the US to listen to the band's music if I didn't have access to YouTube.  Now, Dave Clark finally (and way too late, but I guess(?) better late than never, re-released that comp* and plans to follow with the entire catalogue.  Let's start with "Glad All Over:"

*though I've heard the US version only has half of the tracks the UK version does, so I guess if the vinyl also follows that logic, I'll have to import again.

Does anyone know where I can find some actual research on the band's history, besides UK session drummer Bobby Graham's out-of-print autobiography?  I'd love to see how much Graham actually drummed on.
121  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: February 21, 2020, 09:10:40 PM
If the Feel Flows box dies and we get an expanded Sunflower release, A two-disc set like  this would be nice:


Disc Two (associated tracks)
01. "San Miguel"
02. "Loop de Loop (Flip Flop Flyin' in an Aeroplane)"
03. "Carnival"
04. "I Just Got My Pay"
05. "Walkin'"
06. "Games Two Can Play"
07. "Soulful Old Man Sunshine"
08. "Back Home"
09. “I’m Going Your Way”
+++ (let's get this one over an hour of tracks too!!)

You missed one... Grin
122  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Title edit: Carl Wilson late 70s (formerly Trouble in Paradise) on: February 17, 2020, 03:12:30 PM
Thanks to everyone's favorite, Elora (if she's reading this, I've been able to listen to so many cool and unexpected (like the "i" compilation) things that you've posted, thank you), we have some good quality footage of this era, for those (me) who haven't seen it that much.  Prior to "Surfer Girl" is when I was like oh God that's Carl.  Hell, Dennis seems to be fairly okay at least speaking wise, somewhat near his Knebworth speaking voice.

Partial footage from Melbourne:
123  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 12, 2020, 02:00:39 PM
This debacle of playing that gig made international news and was picked up by even the network news divisions and late night comedy shows...Easily the worst PR this band has received since the end of C50 in 2012. It wouldn't be unexpected if some of it rubs off regarding bookings and demand.

Isn't it probably one of the few news stories the band has had since C50 sadly?

- archival dumps
- Pet Sounds 50
- SMiLE 50
 - competing B&A and M&B Christmas tours
- Dennis/Queen/Hawkins "Holy Man" (if that counts?)
- SiriusXM channel and reunion
- this
124  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: ATTENTION ALL VINYL LP COLLECTORS !! on: February 09, 2020, 08:32:07 AM
So I guess this the end of the vinyl revival?
It doesn't worry me; I have nearly everything I ever thought of as a MUST HAVE on vinyl. These days, I mostly buy 45's, random cheap albums at thrift stores; and cd's.
But this story, along with the revelation in the last year or so of the massive fire at me...UMG?...that destroyed thousands of master tapes...yeah, we are finding out just how temporary our musical history is.
Will anyone still be listening to the Beach Boys in 2060? The Beatles? Elvis?

Well I’ll be around then, so I will.

But yes, I’m getting pretty worried about this. Mr. Desper, is there any way that they could rebuild or do they not get much profit from their part of vinyl production?
125  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 09, 2020, 08:04:22 AM
Maybe I’m late, but has anybody else read ESQ’s response to this?
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