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126  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1 player, 2 keyboards: Help Me, Rhonda and electric pianos on: February 05, 2020, 06:19:39 PM
<<Any evidence that Carol is on bass other than her saying so?>>

Well, she mentioned that track as the first time she played bass on a BBs session (which of course, it wasn't, but perhaps it was their first hit single on which she played bass), and that was in a 1983 Guitar Player magazine article IIRC (I have the actual magazine somewhere, but I'd have to dig for it). This was a cover story on "women who rock" or something similar. This was a good decade or more before her memories of such things began to be called into question, so that may give it some weight.

A few years back I encountered an online article where Don Randi recalled certain details of the "Rhonda" tracking session, in particular some details about the Universal/Radio Recorders studio where they recorded that. From this, I learned that the track was cut not at the main Radio Recorders location on 7000 Santa Monica Boulevard, nor around the corner at the famous "annex" facility, but rather at the studio's recently-acquired Sunset Highland Division at 1441 North McCadden Place  - soon to be known as "TTG Studio" (for "Two Terrible Guys"). For some reason, I can't locate that online article now, and I don't remember if he said anything about the personnel on the session - if so, it wasn't anything that I didn't already know from other sources, so I'm not sure if he specifically mentioned Carol's participation or not. But, maybe someone else can find that article and see!  Smiley

I doubt this is what you read, Mr. Slowinski, but this is all I could find for Don Randi's recollections.

https://www.scpr.org/programs/the-frame/2015/11/13/45229/in-youve-heard-these-hands-pianist-don-randi-chron/
127  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How many corporate/private gigs have The BBs/ Brian done in their careers? on: February 03, 2020, 09:06:27 PM
Someone needs to tell the organizer of this online petition that Elliott Lott isn't the Manager of the band nor President of BRI, and hasn't been for some years.

https://www.change.org/p/beach-boys-stop-supporting-trophy-hunting

Jerry Schilling is still the president of BRI as far as I know. I don't know if they have anyone working for BRI who actually has the title of "Manager." The individual members (well, at least Brian and Mike) have their own personal managers.

I also wish the petition delineated between Mike's "Beach Boys" and the band/corporation as a whole. I'm not really particularly for a boycott of the band's back catalog of music. The boycott should be of Mike's touring band, and Mike's solo material.

If Iím right I mentioned that in my comment when I posted, at least about Lott. I canít remember if I mentioned Jerry Schilling.
128  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: More power to the on: January 30, 2020, 09:22:54 PM
A side effect of Joe Public not knowing what the Beach Boys look like ("Something to do with stripey shirts? A surfboard? Hawaiian shirts?").

"No one knew who Elvis's drummer was, but everyone knew Ringo." The same could be said for the Beach Boys, but every member.

And I think you'll find that a good many members of Jo(e) Public are indeed aware of the existence of Brian Wilson! (But perhaps not that of B.J. Fontana.)

D.J. Fontana.

And my donation to the Power Mower should arrive tomorrow.
129  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread on: January 27, 2020, 06:54:56 PM
Brian and co. apparently played at the Mohegan Sun Arena in Uncasville, CT last Thursday night (1/23).  However, I live 45 minutes from that venue and had no idea that the concert took place.  Any chance that it was a private concert of some sort?

Someone commented in the Brian Wilson Tour FB group that it was a private show.  Too bad though because it was somewhat close to me.
130  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 30, 2019, 08:00:53 AM
Amen. I literally quit listening to my Sunflowef/Surf's Up twofer after hearing the version in his study video. There just didn't seem to be a point to hearing it in any other way.
Can I find this anywhere online?

No, sadly. He pulled them down awhile ago after fears that BRI would shut it down...I donít really know how to summarize it...someone else can probably jump in and fill in the details. I really only heard his mix of ďVegetablesĒ because I never had the time to sit down and go through all of his mixes.
131  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Merry Christmas; what the heck is this guitar? on: December 28, 2019, 08:13:55 AM
Also, going with the 3 prototypes scenario. The one Roberts is playing could be the first, as it looks butt ugly and a clunker. The one up for auction is more Ďstreamlined Ď for want of a better term, so a latter of the three. Both guitars have no manufacturer name anywhere I can see.
At the very least, who better to give a prototype to than some of the best studio musicians of the day to test and critique?

Nice Work!!!!!!!!

But I think Ho-Rob's version looks way better than the Milwaukee prototype!

What a weird guitar.  But there he is using it on a session, along with a Hammond Chord Organ.  The next thing to solve is what the heck session that was!!!!

Thanks for your great detective work!!!!!

Could we hear the BB connections now please?  Wink
132  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 26, 2019, 07:03:27 PM
I can't find it on Spotify.

I also canít find it.
133  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The potential success (or lack therof) of the aborted Lei'd in Hawaii album on: December 23, 2019, 10:02:18 PM
Upon re-reading the liner notes of my CD copy of Sunshine Tomorrow (gotta love physical media!), I was reminded of the odd fact that the aborted Lei'd in Hawaii album was going to have canned audience clapping for the tracks they were trying to "fake" as being live tracks.

- Are there other examples in this era of other bands doing this type of thing for a big batch of songs on an album? Not just talking about a bit of studio "touch up" on a live track, but full-on faked live songs on a live album?

Iím pretty sure that Iíve read that the Four Seasons did this (and some other groups too, but thatís the only name I completely remember).

Also, how could they have released this without finished/any vocals (i.e. Barbara Ann and I believe Surfiní)?
134  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Campfire Acoustic Session :Endless Summer TV Series on: December 21, 2019, 08:16:22 PM
(Sssshhh.....keep it quiet but still available in NZ)

Wait maybe I was wrong it seems to be working now. I must have clicked on another one of my almost 200 open tabs and assumed it was this one that got pulled for copyright. Carry on.  Grin
135  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Campfire Acoustic Session :Endless Summer TV Series on: December 21, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
Well the clipís finally down...I guess I deserve it; waiting too long and not watching it.
136  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Johnny Carson, track from Love You on: December 16, 2019, 01:08:32 PM
From my memory, it's Carl. 
137  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Whole World ~ isolated guitars recreation video on: December 12, 2019, 12:15:38 PM
Here's a question on the This Whole World guitars: do we think any others were added later? I've seen some mention of Carl overdubbing a 12-string, but having scrutinised it that to me just sounds like the piano.

I thought the only guitars on the final master were part of Jerry Cole's guitar, and Carl's overdubbed 12-string.
138  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: December 07, 2019, 02:21:21 PM
Ehhh....no.

 ĎThis concert will not feature Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, or David Marks.í

https://www.hollywoodbowl.com/musicdb/artists/7263/the-beach-boys



A lot of the concerts have that listed now. Very interesting. Random off-topic point: does anyone know why David Marks hasnít done anything with either group in a while (other than the SiriusXM thing) before/after his health scare?
139  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who Produced Susie Cincinatti? on: December 06, 2019, 08:43:29 AM
C-man and aejitzsche,

Is it possible that Carl overdubbed some guitar too or that Al played two parts? Every time I listen to the master I swear I hear rhythm and lead guitar. And if most of the parts from the original sessions were replaced, when did these overdub sessions likely happen, 1969-70-71 or 1975-76?

Thanks ahead of time for your expertise! Love to hear the band playing some rock and roll.
140  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Christmas Songs Without Christmas Lyrics on: December 02, 2019, 05:56:37 PM
"Dance, Dance, Dance"'s sleigh bells are fairly Christmasey to my ears.

When I was younger I used to think The Beatles' "Oh Darling!" was a Christmas song (I think the local oldies stations I listened to played it more for some reason around November/December) and I occasionally have to remind myself that it's not.  Cheesy
141  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018/2019 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour (& Other Dates) on: November 17, 2019, 10:42:26 AM
Does anyone with any insight know how much it costs to book Al for one of these shows? I talked to a local booking organizer at a small concert venue near me which I think would be perfect for Al. He said they looked into it but it would be too expensive for them to get. (They practically act as non-profit.)
142  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: October 02, 2019, 01:49:15 PM


It's been said before, but it's completely fascinating just how many seemingly separate fanbases the BBs seem to have.



I agree!

When my fiancee and I went to Warped Tour in 2018, I wore my C50 shirt. She thought it was the lamest thing ever until I got compliment after compliment on it.

I love this story.

Discussion of deep cuts brings to mind the Brian/band Pet Sounds show I saw in Williamsburg, Brooklyn 3 years ago. Brian was one of the headliners on a very eclectic music festival of youngish indie bands. The show was sold out, all standing room/general admission, with seemingly every inch of space taken. The hipsterish crowd averaged 20s-to-40s, quite young for a Brian crowd, and (as Howie Edelson noted in amazement at the time) they were crazy into the Pet Sounds material, even singing along on some of the fairly unusual cuts. I wonder if any of that younger crowd made it to the "1968" show last week? The folks last week on average looked more like you'd expect at a Brian show, roughly a generation older.

It's been said before, but it's completely fascinating just how many seemingly separate fanbases the BBs seem to have.



I'd put myself in the age group, maybe not the hipster part though, and say that I wished I was able to see this but Brian didn't come close enough for me to go, sadly.  Haven't heard the Friends album yet, partly because I wanted to digest most of it (already heard Friends, Little Bird, Wake the World) in a sitting once I found a vinyl copy (I'm strangely old-school).  After all, Brian, Al, Matt, and Blondie got me into the Wild Honey songs when they played about half that album during the PS show I saw.  Especially because Brian didn't have a particularly good night for my show and most of these '68 shows, especially those that were closest to me, but not close enough, supposedly had good performances from Brian.
143  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Aug. 8th 1980 - \ on: September 12, 2019, 06:37:41 PM
I read on wikipedia that Dennis was an uncredited co-arranger for the strings on "Lady Lynda". First time I ever heard that. Is there any truth to that?

Al mentioned in an interview that Dennis "helped" him "with the track." What exactly that constitutes wasn't made clear. I don't know if it would rise to the level of co-arranger.

From Al's 2000 Goldmine interview:

How did you come up with the idea for the classical-sounding introduction to "Lady Lynda"?

A friend of mine, Ron Altbach, he and I decided to write something together. I was familiar with his love of classical music. I was at the Johann Sebastian Bach festival up here in Carmel which happens every summer up here. I heard that beautiful piece sung at the Mission Cathedral here in Carmel. Gorgeous piece. It's called "Jesu Joy Of Man's Desiring." It was written for the church. When I heard that movement I went, "My God, that's too heavy! Maybe I can start the song with this thing." [laughs] Ron is such a great player that it just worked. We had to hire a classical guy to play an absolutely beautiful harpsichord that was brought in just for the occasion. It was a monster session with a 26-string orchestra, the harpsichord. Harry Betts arranged the strings. I can't remember if Dennis played the drums. Dennis helped me with the track. We played it live at a couple of places before we recorded it. I think he played drums. I did that 12-string guitar. It was a beautiful 12-string guitar that I still have. It would have worked better if it had been on my own album, but it certainly worked. We always seemed to be five people making five different albums on the same album.


I'm curious if C-Man or anybody else can chime in on who played drums on the final released version of the song. It's worth noting that even when Dennis was on tour, Bobby Figueroa usually drummed on the song (and, if I'm recalling correctly, Kowalski on the 1978 Australia dates). 

C-man has credited Bobby Figueroa with the drums on th master. It is among one of the many credits I have been adding to Wikipedia to correct and expand it. Going on the LA wiki page gives this reference:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,21772.25.html
144  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mark Linett's \ on: August 24, 2019, 10:47:22 AM
Don't get me thinking about a reunion that's not fair.

I'm pretty sure this will be about some sort of sunflower era release

Agreed. Especially with the state of Brianís shows (sadly), though I would shell out the money if another reunion happened.

Iíd be fine with either, or both.

NB: Maybe another reunion would re-energize Brianís performances, not that I expect to happen though.
145  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: August 15, 2019, 06:56:31 PM
Am I the only one who doesnít hear Carl supposedly say ďshunshineĒ during Soulful Old Man Sunshine?

You don't hear it at 2:08?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcS8MmrYoYY

Ok, I hear it now. Never knew it only happened one time. Thought Carl sang that every time. And he vetoed its release because of one word? Crazy.
146  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: August 12, 2019, 11:21:04 AM
Am I the only one who doesnít hear Carl supposedly say ďshunshineĒ during Soulful Old Man Sunshine?
147  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 09, 2019, 06:20:26 PM
As a one off tribute deal? Sure, but I donít think the numbers would stack up for anything ongoing. Brian has Ďlegendí status due to his work. Al, by far the best voice still going, doesnít. I think Al has hit the sweet spot tour wise with his story teller theme.

Just curious to hear othersí ideas and thought maybe Alís demand would increase if Brian wasnít touring.

Does anyone think that if Brian did stop touring, there would be enough of a market for a second BB band for Al (and Blondie and/or David Marks, because he occasionally has done shows with Al) to continue on with part of Brianís band and Alís 2-piece Storytellers Band?

Lineup as such:
Al - vocals, guitars, banjo, double bass
Blondie - vocals, guitars, tambourine?, bass?
David - vocals, guitars (optional, because he hasnít done many shows outside of 1997-1999 and 2012-2013)
Matt Jardine - vocals, percussion, guitar
Jeff Alan Ross - backing vocals, keyboards (optional, probably too many people already)
Billy Hinsche - vocals, keyboards, vibes, guitars
Darian - vocals, keyboards, vibes, tannerin (assuming itís owned by Brian and not Probyn, and could be loaned), percussion
Ed Carter or Mike DíAmico - bass
Bobby Figueroa or Mike DíAmico - drums
Paul von Mertens - saxophones, flutes, harmonicas

I would go to this show. I saw Al live earlier this year, and it was great. I'm going to an M+B show later this month. I haven't gone to a Brian Wilson show since 2016, and after hearing clips of Brian singing live over the last three years, I think it would take a last tour announcement for me to go back.

Agreed. Unfortunately I missed Al this year (I was in Nashville when he came fairly close to me). Iíve seen M&B in 2015 and I will again and I will again in a week or so. Iíve seen Brian, Al, and Blondie in 2017 (Al was great, disappointed with Brian because the most recent performances I had heard were from C50, and happy with Blondieís singing but the solos were too long for me ó but it did help me get introduced to Wild Honey and Feel Flows)

I donít know what Iíll do for a Brian show. I think itíd have to be extremely close for me to go again...I considered going to a rescheduled PS date which will be next year but decided against it because of the fairly long drive...that being said, I would love to see the new Something Great from 68 show. Maybe I can catch a train to NYC to see the Beacon show.
148  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 09, 2019, 03:39:12 PM
Does anyone think that if Brian did stop touring, there would be enough of a market for a second BB band for Al (and Blondie and/or David Marks, because he occasionally has done shows with Al) to continue on with part of Brianís band and Alís 2-piece Storytellers Band?

Lineup as such:
Al - vocals, guitars, banjo, double bass
Blondie - vocals, guitars, tambourine?, bass?
David - vocals, guitars (optional, because he hasnít done many shows outside of 1997-1999 and 2012-2013)
Matt Jardine - vocals, percussion, guitar
Jeff Alan Ross - backing vocals, keyboards (optional, probably too many people already)
Billy Hinsche - vocals, keyboards, vibes, guitars
Darian - vocals, keyboards, vibes, tannerin (assuming itís owned by Brian and not Probyn, and could be loaned), percussion
Ed Carter or Mike DíAmico - bass
Bobby Figueroa or Mike DíAmico - drums
Paul von Mertens - saxophones, flutes, harmonicas
149  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: July 31, 2019, 08:11:28 PM
I saw someone on here saying he produced Getcha Back...but i thought he just co-wrote it and Levine produced the whole album? Did he actually produce it or did someone just mis-speak on here? Wikipedia says Levine produced the song...could be wrong tho

I think they were arguing that he co-produced the song because of the way he helped with the vocals and getting the falsetto part out of Brian, etc.
150  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: July 31, 2019, 12:32:32 PM
Anyways, anybody in the know *cough* c-man *cough* aware of whether Brian was heavily involved in this one or not? I would be surprised to learn if he wasn't. Actually in general I kinda wonder about Brian's participation on KTSA. He's obviously much more audible then he was on L.A. (Light Album) but I wonder if he was involved much instrumentally or vocally especially on the songs he didn't write.

Yes, and yes.
If it was Brian's idea to record a cover, then he was heavily involved instrumentally and vocally, and probably arrangement-wise: besides "Da Do Ron Ron", examples from those sessions are "School Days", "Little Girl", "Jamaica Farewell", "Stranded In The Jungle" (Brian actually produced the basic tracks for those four, under Bruce's "supervision", a few months before the bulk of the sessions started), "Johnny B. Goode", and "Smokey Places". Two that he apparently WASN'T involved with (at least instrumentally) were "I'll Always Love You" and the Bruce-driven re-recording of "Johnny B. Goode" two weeks after the Brian-driven original.


Holy sh!t! There were two versions of Johnny B. Goode? I want to hear both of them. One of those had Dennis on drums and was probably the last time Dennis played on a Beach Boys session. I think his other contribution was some percussion on Endless Harmony.
Do you know who played on the two JBG's, c-man? And in case you've heard them, could you describe what they sound like?


Johnny # 1:
Brian, Bruce, Mike Meros (keyboards), Carl (guitar), Dennis (drums), Gary Mallaber (drums), Bill House (guitar), Jerry Scheff (bass)

Johnny # 2:
John Hobbs (keyboards), Steve Ross (guitars), Bill House (guitar), Bryan Garofalo (bass), Ricky Fataar (drums)

I have not heard either version.


Thank you! Oh man, I would love to hear Carl play with Jerry Scheff!

Agreed.

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Can't blame him for not coming up with anything useful for "Goin' to the beach". What a lousy song.

I know I should hate it but I like it better than most of Mikeís other stuff Iíve heard post-Holland.
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