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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Happy birthday Brian! on: June 22, 2020, 03:35:34 PM
Happy Belated Birthday to Brian!!
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Guitar Sound on \ on: June 13, 2020, 08:16:10 PM
oh wow.. that was fast.  thank you.

is there any place online with this kind of info or do we just ask here and cross the fingers?

i see this info isn't included in liner notes.

I try to take whatever I can from here, ESQ issues, c-manís website, etc and post it to Wikipedia. There are a couple of editors there determined to remove it though. (I also have been saving as much of it as I can find on my iPad too.)

Do we know any more about who played on this track?

Drums, bass, banjo?

Jim Gordon, Lyle Ritz, Al Vescovo

Interesting. I was hoping Al (Jardine) would have played banjo on this. Was this recorded in the home studio?
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 08, 2020, 08:35:25 AM
Anyone ever hear why Breakaway was not on Sunflower?

Because it had already been released by Capitol?

This raises an interesting point - Brother retained the rights to the albums Pet Sounds and following, but what about the singles which did not appear on an album in those '66 to '69 years?
The only single that didnít appear on an album between 1966 and 1969 was break away. And I donít believe that they regained the rights to their 1966-69 catalog by July 1970 when the first album for Warner Bros. was finally assembled. and if I am completely wrong on this, I apologize. But I think another reason that Break Away never appeared on an official album was because of the fact that it did so poorly on the charts. Also, it could be that so much time had passed that they refused to put an old song that had already been released on a new album. Obviously, especially with their late 70s catalog, they freely stole from their own archives of the early 70s material, but they never put any previously released tracks on a new album several years later, with the exception of Susie Cincinnati

Since 'Breakaway" wasn't on an album, Capitol retained the rights to it (and to "Celebrate The News", and to the single version of "Cotton Fields"). That's why Capitol was able to include "Break Away" on Spirit Of America six years later.

I just wonder why Cotton Fields wasnít on Sunflower over either At My Window or Our Sweet Love? It has really every member prominently except Al. Hell, Bruce has two songs (three, if you count At My Window). Al has three co-writing credits (modifying Itís About Time (and guitar) plus AMW and OSL and partial lead on Add Some Music. But the record feels absent of Al. Other than that, the albumís pretty much perfect.

Because Reprise didn't own the rights to "Cotton Fields", Capitol did. Al produced that version in August specifically for release as a single, and the band didn't sign with Warner-Reprise until November. Overseas, EMI Stateside was able to put it on Sunflower because they owned the rights to that album (and the next one).

Thanks c-man. Didnít realize that Cotton Fields was a Capitol single; I assumed Break Away was the last Capitol single and Cotton Fields was the first Reprise single.
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: June 07, 2020, 06:39:36 PM
I just wonder why Cotton Fields wasnít on Sunflower over either At My Window or Our Sweet Love? It has really every member prominently except Al. Hell, Bruce has two songs (three, if you count At My Window). Al has three co-writing credits (modifying Itís About Time (and guitar) plus AMW and OSL and partial lead on Add Some Music. But the record feels absent of Al. Other than that, the albumís pretty much perfect.
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Hawthorne CA Songs Mislabelled on Spotify on: June 02, 2020, 10:14:13 AM
Hi everyone, I just noticed this while scrolling through Spotify. Iím assuming the only way this would be fixed is if someone from BRI or Capitol intervened and put the correct titles in?

EDIT: Sorry if there may already be a thread about this.
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Blondie answers why he left the band on: May 29, 2020, 08:23:24 AM
I think the trajectory for the Boys continues relatively the same as it did go down.

Blondie and Rickey definitely added some spice, and their songs were good contributions for sure. But I don't count them as such a force internally and politically (band-wise) to have much of power to swing things in a direction. Do we really think they were given 'voting rights' to the inner band politics? No way.

They WERE Beach Boys at the time, but I doubt they had much power. Essentially, glorified backing band members.

Do you really think that they'd have kept both of them into the 90's? 2000's? I think from the start they were going to be used and dropped. I'm sure they knew that, too.

Ricky could have stayed until Carl died, especially after losing Dennis in 1983 assuming that still happens. Was there ever a debate about what to do after Dennis died, as in possibly bringing back Ricky?

They already had Kowalski filling in for Dennis half the time anyway, keeping him on was probably their easiest option.

Bobby was back in the band too, by that point. As Mike stated in the Boys' press conference following Dennis' passing, they were touring with two excellent drummers and were quite well-equipped for performances. Plus, I doubt Ricky would've been willing to join the BBs' travelling nostagia act at that point, given I believe he'd been playing with Bonnie Raitt by then, and I think he was producing other acts in Australia around that time?


Agreed, I never thought it was likely, but it seemed like the only option (pre-C50) of course if Ricky did return. Back to the Kowalski vs Figueroa debate, is there a reason that Carl didnít intervene when the two drummer situation finally fell apart around 1988? Was he already caring less with ďKokomoĒ around the corner?
57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Question for Mr. Desper - Recording Brian in Western 1980 with Chuck Britz on: May 28, 2020, 08:36:00 PM
All I can offer (that I had saved from c-manís original post(s) is that Dennis Budimir (guitar) and Mike Meros (keyboards) played on these sessions.
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: ďBarbara AnnĒ at Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction on: May 26, 2020, 06:51:36 PM
Is this probably the last time (and maybe the first since 1971-ish) that Carl played lead guitar on Barbara Ann (since Ed Carter, Blondie, Jeff Foskett, etc arenít there)?
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Fake Brian Wilson Twitter Account? on: May 26, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
There's no way Brian is personally talking to people on Twitter.

Agreed, as much as I would love it. Ask ďBrianĒ about playing some crazy guitar solos or something; Iíd love to see what ďheĒ would say.
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Cool interview with Steve Levine on: May 21, 2020, 08:12:54 PM
I enjoy some of the album but I just canít get into some of the real 80ís stuff, it just doesnít sound like the BBís. And Iím not saying it had to had a surf sound or a Pet Sounds or SMiLE sound, but Iíve never been able to get into Carlís songs and a couple others for that reason.

I am disappointed reading about Al's behavior at one point during the sessions. That just doesn't go with the image I've always had of Al. Thinking of Al making Levine CRY with his behavior would be like if I saw Brian Wilson slam dancing in a mosh pit at a punk rock concert. It just defies nature.

Agreed on that point. With the exception of this incident and the 1977 tarmac incident, it seems like Al was a good guy who tended to get a bit stubborn on certain things (Gary Usher; plus walking offstage once in the Ď90ís?, but maybe this was Ď97/Ď98 and if so that would make sense).
61  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys as part of a wedding on: May 17, 2020, 08:32:47 PM
Upbeat tunes:

"Marilyn Rovell"
"Lana"
"Surfer Jam"
"Sail On Sailor"
"Deirdre" (is she redhead?)
"Cabinessence"
"Sunshine" (KTSA song)
Um... Cabinessence?
I mean, thats an absolutely incredible track, but it doesnít really scream wedding.

Agreed about Cabinessence and its role in a wedding, guessing it was a joke.

My wedding will be nothing but ShorteninBred on a 10 hour loop

I eagerly await my invitation in the mail.
62  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: Beach Boys 2012 50th Reunion - Later with Jools Holland on: May 17, 2020, 08:20:03 PM
Oh man, I'd love to see more footage of the 2012 happening. Although there was the Sirius Radio interview, 2012 almost certainly is the last time the Beach Boys made music together.

Sadly.  I remember when it was announced we were all speculating maybe if we were liucky we'd get an acoustic "Surfer Girl."  Would have been nice and have needed only one extra singer at the most (Matt Jardiine or maybe Jeff Foskett).  Has the complete Sirius interview made the rounds?

Are you aware of their acoustic performance for Rolling Stone? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu-bXvuPm7c

I thought I had only heard their acoustic version of ďSurfiní USAĒ but YouTube claims Iíve watched this before and clicked like. Well, I guess Iím watching it again. Thanks for the link!!
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The trainwreck that is The 50th ann. CD on: May 16, 2020, 09:14:29 PM
When this came out, a friend of ours said, "So, have you listened to The Beach Boys Through a Vocoder yet?" I thought she meant there was another silly Beach Boys video on YouTube with the same idea of "The Beach Boys shred 'I Get Around'" -- like, someone piped the Beach Boys through a vocoder or something...I didn't know she was talking about the Autotune festival that is this CD. After I listened, I totally understood.

I still contest that McCartney's Good Evening New York City sounds way worse than this. 

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTay8qCDybrNpgvmMFNDQ-jVQwEjl84WP

Not only does poor Sir Paul sound even more so like a robot, but the mix is garbage too.  The mix on the Beach Boys' 50th is at least clean. 
Never listened to that one. Paul has so many live albums out, I've lost count.

I heard samples of that Paul live album after I had bought it but before I listened to it...so I started to regret buying it. Still havenít listened to it because of the Auto-Tune...guess Iíll listen soon.
64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: is there a definitive bass list for David, Al and Brian during the 60's? on: May 15, 2020, 07:37:01 PM
SaltyMarshmallow, thanks for responding quickly and sorry for the doubting tone of my question. Itís just so shocking for me that Al can go from being the studio bassist to barely playing on anything unless he brought it the band or sang lead on it. But then again, this is The Beach Boys, and all sorts of crazy stuff has happened and continues to. Thanks again!!

No problem! Hey, it's still totally possible that Al played bass on Do It Again since there's no way to know for sure with most overdubs, it'd just be an odd kick in the trend at the time! It could've been Brian for all we know.

SaltyMarshmallow, do you have any clue about who played bass on the various Party! songs? Iím going to guess Bruce on Barbara Ann because he seems to play the same bassline at Knebworth. Not like we can use Brian in 2012 as a judge since he stays on the roots of the chords. Also, is Youíve Got To Hide Your Love Away the only one on that album with Carl on bass? Bruce does make a joke about Carl grabbing ďhis bass,Ē but it sounds like a joke.

It is strange that Al was such a prominent instrumentalist from Surfer Girl through Summer Days, and then drops out. Of course, he plays here and there, but sparingly. And like others have pointed off, when he does play, it's on something he's singing or co-wrote like Crack At Your Love, Island Girl, It's About Time...

Given the fact that much KTSA was recorded at his studio, I wonder if he played on that album more than one would think?

C-man said that he thinks itís because Alís very hard on his own playing, I donít think Al plays on Crack At Your Love, but he does (rhythm, Iím assuming) on California Calling. I remember c-man says that Al plays on Santa Ana Winds and Endless Harmony, plus at least one or two outtakes: Goiní To The Beach (and maybe Johnny B. Goode, but I canít remember.) Iím guessing School Days could be a possibility too?
65  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: is there a definitive bass list for David, Al and Brian during the 60's? on: May 15, 2020, 12:48:12 PM
SaltyMarshmallow, thanks for responding quickly and sorry for the doubting tone of my question. Itís just so shocking for me that Al can go from being the studio bassist to barely playing on anything unless he brought it the band or sang lead on it. But then again, this is The Beach Boys, and all sorts of crazy stuff has happened and continues to. Thanks again!!
66  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Blondie answers why he left the band on: May 15, 2020, 12:24:15 PM
I think the trajectory for the Boys continues relatively the same as it did go down.

Blondie and Rickey definitely added some spice, and their songs were good contributions for sure. But I don't count them as such a force internally and politically (band-wise) to have much of power to swing things in a direction. Do we really think they were given 'voting rights' to the inner band politics? No way.

They WERE Beach Boys at the time, but I doubt they had much power. Essentially, glorified backing band members.

Do you really think that they'd have kept both of them into the 90's? 2000's? I think from the start they were going to be used and dropped. I'm sure they knew that, too.

Ricky could have stayed until Carl died, especially after losing Dennis in 1983 assuming that still happens. Was there ever a debate about what to do after Dennis died, as in possibly bringing back Ricky?
67  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Van Dyke Parks Commented On A SMiLE/Americana Clue on: May 15, 2020, 12:02:08 PM
Donít know enough about this really to comment - but just want to say I definitely see a connection between Cabin Essence and the Hughes poem.
68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: is there a definitive bass list for David, Al and Brian during the 60's? on: May 15, 2020, 12:01:04 PM
wow never knew carl played so much studio bass.  of course he did, but wow, had no idea......for the pre pet sounds stuff what did Al play bass on?  im sorry i was born during the keepin the summer alive tour and dont have all those abbreviations hardwired- huge fan of all eras though

Before Today is not my personnel wheelhouse, but here's what I've got for Today, SDSN, and PS:

Today:

Al plays bass on: DHMLS, WIGU(TBAM), SKMTW and is the only BB to play bass on that record.



Uh...Brian is on bass for "Dance, Dance, Dance", and likely overdubbed a 6-string Dano part on "I'm So Young".


Al:
DHMLS - Donít My Little Sister
WIGU(TBAM) - When I Grow Up To Be A Man
SKMTW - She Knows Me Too Well
GfNYC - The Girl from New York City
YSGTM - Youíre So Good To Me

Brian:
TIKH - Then I Kissed Her
GDTM - Girl Donít Tell Me
TNM - Thatís Not Me

I thought Al also played on Iím So Young too (Al on Fender, Carl on Dano, and Brian on an overdubbed Dano).
The Dano on Thatís Not Me could be Brian or Al, according to c-man and Joshilyn.


On an another related topic, SaltyMarshmallow, you definitely think Carl is on that much? Crazy, especially Do It Again, which a I thought wouldíve leaned towards Al.
69  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: is there a definitive bass list for David, Al and Brian during the 60's? on: May 14, 2020, 08:49:41 PM
I'll have to dig out my SOT disc and listen to the full session for "Surfer's Rule", but my recollection is that Carl definitley played bass on "South Bay Surfer" and overdubbed the lead guitar.

And, while not bootlegged, I've heard the full session tape for "Little Deuce Coupe", and that one definitely has Carl on bass, Brian on piano, and David playing the only guitar. Which is interesting, since it was cut at the same session as "Surfer Girl" (Brian on bass), and the basic track for "Catch A Wave" (Al on bass). Three songs in three hours, each with a different Beach Boy playing bass.
Probably the only time THAT ever happened!

Although, there was the Party! session at which Carl overdubbed bass on "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" - if Brian and Bruce both played bass that particular day, that would count. And, of course there's there were the Lei'd In Hawaii concerts at which Carl, Al, and Brian each took turns on the bass (professionally recorded, therefore counting as a recording session).


c-man, is that the only Party! song that Carl plays bass on? I know during the sessions, Bruce comments for Carl to go get his bass, but I assumed it was a joke.

And, regarding the Surfer Girl album, does that mean that the idea of marathon sessions with Al alternating between playing bass on some songs and sitting around doing nothing on others is possible?
70  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: May 13, 2020, 10:50:48 AM
The only way Mike might do concerts any time soon is something like this (which probably won't happen on schedule either) :

https://www.pollstar.com/article/arkansas-theatre-reduces-capacity-sets-up-fan-pods-to-host-may-15-concert-144495

I don't think Mike can afford to go to 20% capacity at shows.  It would reduce his average attendance to 250-350 or so. And it's still arguably an absurd way to conduct a concert, with enjoyment reduced,  and still with plenty of risk.  And unlike the guy trying this concert,  Mike is almost 80 years old and at far more risk himself (Bruce as well obviously).

Itís funny how he thinks heíll be able to do shows some time this year, according to the RS interview.
71  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Danelectro 6 on BBs records - a video introduction on: May 13, 2020, 10:47:35 AM
Jimmy Bond is on more of the late '60s/early '70s Beach Boys records than you might think...from Friends, he's on the title track and the outtake "Our Happy Home". From 20/20, he's on "Be With Me" and "I Went To Sleep" (as well as "Cabinessence", cut two years earlier). From Sunflower, he's on "Deirdre", "It's About Time", "All I Wanna Do", and "Forever". He's also on "Break Away", "Celebrate The News", and "Loop de Loop". And years later, he turns up as part of the string section on Pacific Ocean Blue!

Thereís a double bass in Itís About Time? I learn something new every day on this board.
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boy duets? on: May 12, 2020, 04:26:43 PM
Game of Love has Mike and Brian (and then I think Mike and Carl on the bridge).
73  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Every Beach Boys album ranked! on: May 12, 2020, 09:05:58 AM
Somewhere Near Japan is a great song  IMHO

Easily the best thing they did at the time. I have a soft spot for Terry Melcher's 80s production style with the BB. It's somewhat cheesy but in an enjoyable way.

It definitely works with some things. R&RTTR and California Dreaminí sound fine, and so does some of the Still Cruisiní stuff. Havenít listened to most of SIP yet, and I definitely donít like the production on Problem Child.

On the Still Cruisiní topic, I think In My Car is underrated, probably because Brian and Landy (or should I say Landy) overproduced it. The chord changes in that are crazy and classic Brian.

Iíll try to rank these once I listen to the few albums I havenít gotten around to yet. Unless I should do a WIP list? Not sure yet.
74  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Marcella on: May 06, 2020, 08:40:28 PM
Considering Billy Hinsche is probably sitting at home with time on his hands and has been active with his Facebook gigs, has anyone with an account (never been interested myself) actually thought of just asking him?

Finally got a response from Billy Hinsche: ďI canít tell you definitively if I sang on Marcella but itís certainly a possibility. Iím working on my next show which should be a lot of fun so hope you can tune in Saturday night at 7 PM Pacific. Bye for now, BillyĒ
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: May 03, 2020, 06:28:03 PM
LOL

Still one of the weirdest facts I have read on this board  LOL

That wasnít a joke???
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