That bit of over-talked “I’d Go Anywhere” from the C50 documentary is really the only extant “outtake” as such.

As others have mentioned, “Waves of Love” wasn’t worked on. Brian wanted no part of it, and it was literally in the process of being released as a solo Al track during the reunion sessions. And “Don’t Fight the Sea” had been released in 2010. Both of these would have/could have been potentially good reunion album tracks, but Al had already released them.

Bruce supposedly re-jiggered “She Believes in Love Again”, with one story indicating he actually used some of the ’85 version as a basis (including his (Bruce’s) vocals), and Foskett re-sang the Carl lead parts. I honestly don’t think this would have ever made it onto an album. It kinda sounded like Bruce just used the paid-for studio time to mess around with something.

I strongly suspect that some of the Brian-Joe songs on “No Pier Pressure” could have and perhaps would have ended up on a second reunion album. But there were supposedly a number of songs worked on and in contention in 2012 for the reunion album, and I’m not sure any of *those* were used for “No Pier Pressure”, as in taking the “Beach Boys version” and taking off the BB contributions.

“Daybreak Over the Ocean” was used from Mike’s circa 2004 solo album material, and it sounds like they did a quick dub job where the reunion group (most prominently Al, but apparently including Brian as well) just sang the “bring back…” interludes. The rest of the song has the same Christian Love/Adrian Baker (or whoever) vocals sans any other Beach Boys. I’ve always thought they should have had Al sing the lead on Mike’s 2004 version of “Too Cruel” (the only Christian Love sings; not the later 2017 rereremake) if they were going to fly something in from that album. “Cool Head” would have been good too, but that also had already been released in 2006.

I also remember reading an interview where Mike said he'd written a song with Dave Marks, but I can't remember if a title was said or not.

"Stowaway." I don't know if it was re-written with Mike or not, and I also don't know if it was either recorded or even seriously considered. If Al's stuff and Bruce's stuff weren't getting serious consideration, I find its hard to believe David Marks was getting a song on a new Beach Boys album.

Well at least Al’s stuff was unheard. Why on earth did Bruce want to dig up a song that had been on an album and keep his original vocals from 30 years prior?

Perhaps for the same reason he thought the world needed a disco-fied version of "Here Comes The Night".  🤷‍♂️  And back in the early 2000's he claimed of recording with Mike a "Britney Spears-type" cover of "Surfin'".  Which to this day has (thankfully) never been heard. 

Britney Spears-style Surfin’ is not a good idea. But I’m one of the rare fans of the disco Here Comes The Night. Carl is great vocally on it. They just shouldn’t have used the LP version - they should have used the single version.

That bit of over-talked “I’d Go Anywhere” from the C50 documentary is really the only extant “outtake” as such.

As others have mentioned, “Waves of Love” wasn’t worked on. Brian wanted no part of it, and it was literally in the process of being released as a solo Al track during the reunion sessions. And “Don’t Fight the Sea” had been released in 2010. Both of these would have/could have been potentially good reunion album tracks, but Al had already released them.

Bruce supposedly re-jiggered “She Believes in Love Again”, with one story indicating he actually used some of the ’85 version as a basis (including his (Bruce’s) vocals), and Foskett re-sang the Carl lead parts. I honestly don’t think this would have ever made it onto an album. It kinda sounded like Bruce just used the paid-for studio time to mess around with something.

I strongly suspect that some of the Brian-Joe songs on “No Pier Pressure” could have and perhaps would have ended up on a second reunion album. But there were supposedly a number of songs worked on and in contention in 2012 for the reunion album, and I’m not sure any of *those* were used for “No Pier Pressure”, as in taking the “Beach Boys version” and taking off the BB contributions.

“Daybreak Over the Ocean” was used from Mike’s circa 2004 solo album material, and it sounds like they did a quick dub job where the reunion group (most prominently Al, but apparently including Brian as well) just sang the “bring back…” interludes. The rest of the song has the same Christian Love/Adrian Baker (or whoever) vocals sans any other Beach Boys. I’ve always thought they should have had Al sing the lead on Mike’s 2004 version of “Too Cruel” (the only Christian Love sings; not the later 2017 rereremake) if they were going to fly something in from that album. “Cool Head” would have been good too, but that also had already been released in 2006.

I also remember reading an interview where Mike said he'd written a song with Dave Marks, but I can't remember if a title was said or not.

"Stowaway." I don't know if it was re-written with Mike or not, and I also don't know if it was either recorded or even seriously considered. If Al's stuff and Bruce's stuff weren't getting serious consideration, I find its hard to believe David Marks was getting a song on a new Beach Boys album.

Well at least Al’s stuff was unheard. Why on earth did Bruce want to dig up a song that had been on an album and keep his original vocals from 30 years prior?

I hate to be a stick in the mud, but a live box set without any studio material whatsoever sounds like something I and many other fans would largely pass on. The ‘76 live stuff with Brian, however, would be great. But even then, I’d probably think it would be better as part of a ‘76-77 box set.

What did Brian contribute to the live band in 1976? Any footage I've seen, he just sits there, hiding behind his piano.

Not 100% sure. His contributions are probably patchy, but definitely not non-existent. I've seen footage where he plays bass, does vocals and in some cases leads, i.e. on Surfer Girl and Back Home. The track Back Home (Live / 1976) on Feel Flows is testament to this, even though his lead vocal is flown-in, unfortunately.

I think those two were the only ones he played bass on in 1976, but I’ve read he played a ton of bass from late ‘77 to late ‘78.

Carnie mentioned Wilson Phillips was asked to perform, but they weren't all available on the date.

Hi HeyJude, thanks for the update. I wonder the exact unavailability, though I know we’ll never know (unless I try to ask Carnie on Instagram and see what happens).

EDIT: HeyJude, was that in the new BeachBoysTalk interview with Carnie (that I haven’t yet been able to watch), by any chance?

If Wilson Phillips could've played, they might have picked something like "This Whole World" …

This Whole World by Wilson Phillips would have been wonderful; I happened to be thinking this myself too, Don Malcolm.

I’ve never heard the Spring/American Spring material, so I’ll have to dive in. Thanks for the heads up, “Big Daddy.”

I know it would have been impossible to get Brian to perform, and that there was a 99.9% chance it wasn’t going to happen, but I wish they had done a couple songs. The odds of that getting them all in the same place for the third time since 2012 are pretty much 0, unfortunately, and someone (hell, maybe even Stamos?) should have tried to make that clear to them.

Still not impressed art all by the lineup outside of Michael McDonald and Brandi Carlile (but at least Jim James has a connection to the group through Brian). Do we know who the backing band was? I assume it wasn’t, but it would have been Brian’s group plus Scott Totten and John Cowsill, just like the 2012 tour, and how it should have been if we could have had the rest of a brief reunited group performance. I know it was an unrealistic dream, but I’m still disappointed.  

EDIT: Forgot to mention that it’s great but also bittersweet to see them all together again, just like HeyJude detailed. I also think it would have been nice to have Blondie and Ricky (or at least Blondie, given his last decade of work with Brian and Al) there with the core 5 as well.

ANOTHER EDIT: I was just on the Carnie interview thread and patsy6’s post about Brian and Carnie made me wonder again why Wilson Phillips didn’t perform at this like they did at Brian’s tribute in 2001? Couldn’t they have been given Good Vibrations or a deep cut?

I believe this will air on paramount plus

Just curious, Shady, when was that announced?

Folks should listen to this Carnie interview. It's great.

She does say that the touring is done, but she also notes that it probably extended her dad's life by decades. Even when he was just going through the motions, the love from fans really mattered. Stay tuned for lots of stories about Carl, x-rated versions of Hey Santa and what it's like to tour with Al (everything we've assumed as fans is true). She also notes that she has been urging BW to do a Sinatra tribute record.

The ending part about her dad is concerning. She suggests he has a lot going on, then corrects that to "a lot going on around him," and says she misses him and wishes that he -- and then she doesn't finish the thought. It wouldn't be the BBs without family drama, so who knows.

I’ll definitely have to listen that interview. It’s one of the many that the BeachBoyTalk crew have done that I’ve put on a to-do list. However, apologies for the second (and hopefully final) off-topic post I’ll make in this thread, but I’m curious about what an x-rated version of Hey Santa sounds like. I guess I’ll have to get to that interview sooner rather than later. 

So I’ve lost all hope that I had, say, a couple weeks ago. I’m excited by Michael McDonald and Brandi Carlille, but I bet I’d skip most of the rest of the show when it eventually airs. I might be in the age group of fans of a lot of the other artists mentioned, but they hold no interest for me. So much for the best of YESTERDAY along with today.

I don’t want to go off-topic, but given Robbie Mac’s true comment about Brian’s “comeback run,” did we ever get any further info about the pictures of Brian in the studio in late summer/early fall 2022?

The backing track.  They used take 20 for the bulk of the backing track, but the tag of that take was deemed subpar, Brian then had the band do a pickup starting at the tag (he might have rejiggered some instrumentation for it) which I think was two takes.  Then he edited the body of take 20 with the tag pickup piece to create the full backing track, and then all that was mixed to mono in preparation for the vocal sessions.

Wow, thanks. It appeared that Brian used the splicing technique quite a lot even before the recording of “Good Vibrations”~

Certainly -- as did everyone else.  It's a nice easy way to combine the best parts of different takes, very common from the very birth of magnetic tape recordings.

Case in point: I SAW HER STANDING THERE. The Fabs kill it on that one, but from the guitar solo out, it's a different take edited on (or maybe from after the solo - I forget which).

c-man, has the story changed regarding this? I thought everything was from take 1, except the count-in being from take 9.

Does Brian Wilson sing both harmony parts to the first chorus of Sloop John B?

I thought Al was one of them; (if I’m reading it and/or understanding your question correctly — and if I’m thinking of the right part), c-man’s website confirms this.

I didn’t post this before, partly because I haven’t looked through the whole thing yet - I don’t want to have too many spoilers especially since I haven’t had a chance to pick up the box set yet (don’t throw me off the thread or the board  ), but…

Thank you c-man, Alan Boyd, Joshilyn, WillJC, and John Brode (the last name I don’t recognize) for your amazing and time-consuming work on the sessionography. In my opinion, this is as awesome as the set (and I don’t have the box yet, nor have I looked through more than a few songs in the sessionography). I love you all.  

(Also, it’s nice to see more (lead) guitar credits for Carl on the couple or so I’ve looked at so far.)

EDIT: Not that I doubt everyone’s research, but it still shocks me that Carl is behind the ‘second’/gruff lead vocal on You Need A Mess of Help to Stand Alone.

surprised to see Tandym Almer on so many songs.

and is that Michael Clarke of the Byrds drumming on Rooftop Harry??

Yes on Michael Clarke. I remember reading that somewhere - perhaps that Bedroom Tapes article from one of the LA papers.

The date of the tribute show for the BBs has finally been announced (see below).

From https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/grammy-salute-the-beach-boys-2023-1235198488/:

"A Grammy Salute to The Beach Boys, the latest in a series of "Grammy Salute" specials, will tape Wednesday, Feb. 8, three days after the 65th annual Grammy Awards are held in Los Angeles. The live concert special will feature a star-studded lineup paying tribute to the classic pop/rock group. It will tape at the Dolby Theatre in Hollywood and will air on CBS later this year."

Oh wow - let’s hope there are some actual stars. It’s been a while since I’ve been able to post, but others have floated (or read, j can’t recall) about big names of today and yesterday? In terms of today, I’m not a fan of Weezer, but Rivers Cuomo does seem to like The Beach Boys (and I think The Monkees too, IIRC). Maybe the Jonas Brothers for today? (I’m not a fan, but Nick Jonas was in LPR, so who knows?)

In terms of yesterday, who’s still around that’s would be up for and/or able to do it? The Rolling Stones, if they page brushed off Mike?   Paul McCartney on God Only Knows, perhaps? (Imagine if Paul and Ringo Starr did God Only Knows together? A Beatles reunion for a Beach Boys event would be awesome.) Bob Dylan? Roger McGuinn? David Crosby? (Imagine a Byrds reunion too?) Micky Dolenz? Peter Noone? Barry Gibb? Maybe Willie Nelson doing The Warmth of the Sun again? The Eagles (now with 2001 BW special alumnus Vince Gill)? Bruce Springsteen? Maybe Elton John since he was in LPR? Jeff Lynne/ELO? Lorrie Morgan doing Don’t Worry Baby again?

What do we think the chances of any of the band, other than I’d say Al being 99% likely IMO, attending. I know it wouldn’t happen but a full band reunion (including Blondie and even Ricky if he was interested) backed by any/some/many/all of Ed Carter, Bobby Figueroa, (Mike Kowalski on percussion?), Brian’s band, Scott Totten, John Cowsill, and maybe even Brian Eichenberger would be pretty awesome!! (Especially since it would 99.99% likely be the last possible time.) I tried to narrow down a potential setlist, but I couldn’t get lower than like 15, which definitely wouldn’t happen. I doubt if it did happen that it would go above a handful.

After all, Paul and Ringo reunited for their special for a handful of songs, which I missed somehow when it aired — maybe my DVR deleted it on its own or something. (Did Barry Gibb play at the one for The Bee Gees? I also missed that one somehow when it aired - but I think I forgot to DVR that one.) Too bad they don’t re-air and/or release these on DVD or something.

Sorry to bring up this old thread but I don't think this would need no new one:

Currently I'm very interested in playing bass and therefor wondered about Brian's playing. One question that comes up is if Brian was the only bass player on the songs he played during the late 70s live shows. I watched a couple of videos but couldn't see anyone else on bass for those songs. I understand that I - as others probably do as well - underestimate late 70s Brian becaus of his condition. Still, I wonder if he had that much practice and rehearsal for carrying the bass duties during that time.

Another general question I have is if we know if Brian had an understanding of how the bass works so that he could actually "play" the instrument or did he just have Carl show him the lines for each song and kept it to that?

Not sure about the second point but Ed Carter was almost certainly covering bass for Brian, whose playing and behaviour could be described as quite erratic during this period.

I could be wrong, but I thought that Ed Carter switched to guitar for those 1977-78 shows and only played bass for songs like Lady Lynda, Country Pie, Everyone’s In Love With You, etc.

Rocker, I thought the general consensus was that, at the very beginning, Carl showed Brian the lines for each song, but that eventually, Brian knew how to “play” bass on his own (maybe with a little help from Carl for more difficult parts?). I do wonder about any songs he hadn’t played bass on in the ‘60’s that he may have played in 1977-78. I wonder if he “translated” them himself, or if Carl or Ed Carter helped him because he hadn’t played bass regularly for a while.

Here's hoping whoever wins thinks outside the box and delivers an amazing vocal no one would expect!

I entered but definitely didn’t deliver an amazing vocal, so I doubt it get it. Combination of lack of time to prepare, having not heard the song before a few days ago, not being familiar with the software I was using, and trying not to wake the neighbors while recording late at night. I kinda apologized in my email for the poor vocal, because I definitely could’ve done better, but I really wanted to say I submitted something of me singing to Brian Wilson for a contest.    

EDIT: Accidentally double-posted (and quoted myself) while trying to edit an emoji. Is there a way to delete a post from a tablet/phone, or can that only be done on a computer? (I’m struggling to find a delete button?)

ANOTHER EDIT: Since it looks like I’m stuck with this embarrassing double-post (sorry about that everyone), I’ll take advantage of it to echo Billy C’s comments about the melody. I know very little of Brian’s solo material, (and as I said I had to sing poorer and a bit different because of the time and I didn’t want to risk belting at that late hour,) but I was surprised at how difficult the higher parts actually were. I’ll have to listen to seltaeb’s version and the other cover posted below. (I’m not going to post mine out of embarrassment about my vocal.)

Here's hoping whoever wins thinks outside the box and delivers an amazing vocal no one would expect!

I entered but definitely didn’t deliver an amazing vocal, so I doubt it get it. Combination of lack of time to prepare, having not heard the song before a few days ago, not being familiar with the software I was using, and trying not to wake the neighbors while recording late at night. I kinda apologized in my email for the poor vocal, because I definitely could’ve done better, but I really wanted to say I submitted something of me singing to Brian Wilson for a contest.    

A bit of a sidebar but partially on topic: Some questions were brought up regarding pro-shot videos. BRI does have full pro-shot shows in their archive, but they are mostly from about 1977 and later. I recall talking to Alan Boyd about it years and years ago, and even in cases where they have full pro-shot videos available in good video quality, they don't always have a corresponding good audio source.

Sadly, the most "releasable" pro-shot videos they have would probably be rather standard late 80s and 90s stuff. The 1977-mid 80s stuff is spotty based on who might have been wasted at the show, who sounded off, and just general performance issues.

Remember that both of the 1980 shows, Knebworth and Washington DC, not only had a good amount of overdubs, but also had huge chunks of the shows deleted before airing/release. That's about as clean and pro as that era can sound.

But as far as later eras, while I'd LOVE as many full uncut shows from all eras as possible, some sort of compilation would probably make more sense. They could cherry pick stuff from the 70s, 80s, and 90s to represent the best (and most interesting) performances.

Also, they could and should release any of the many FULL shows they have from the 2012 reunion tour. Hollywood Bowl and Red Rocks were both shot in full in HD (and the Hollywood Bowl apparently in 3D!?!), and I suspect several other shows were captured in full as well (some degree of video shooting took place at the Royal Albert Hall, there was an in-house video for Wembley, and we know they shot that one show early in the tour that was used for that "Doin' It Again" doc, plus the show the used for the edited "Live in Concert" video surely exists uncut).

HeyJude, do we know any more specific information regarding the overdubs/extent they were used on the two 1980 shows? I’ve always been curious of that; I know there were details about Darlin’ from Knebworth on the Endless Harmony soundtrack.

I didn’t realize they filmed that many shows in 2012. Now I want it even more!!  (Especially because I wasn’t fortunate enough to see them reunited.  )

I think maybe there are three more possibilities for big boxes, if Capitol is up for them. The first would be In Concert (1972-73, maybe even with 1974 and/or 1975 too?). The second is a Brian’s Back box; I know Mark Linett and Alan Boyd have talked about wanting to do this (though I think one or both of them mentioned going as far as MIU; that would have to be a pretty big box, or have a lot of material cut from it, especially if they include(d) material from Adult/Child and/or the second Christmas album. The third would be a comprehensive live box, probably 1974/75/76-1993, and any other interesting things that might be in the vaults. I doubt this would happen, but I’d love to get C50 live material on it too. For the remaining albums, depending on the market and amount of material, maybe they just limit it to expanded 1-CD or deluxe 2-CD versions?

I recall the vocal coach video guy that did a Roy Orbison reaction video and said Orbison was "still out there performing" even though he had been dead for over 30 years.

Like, "Wendy" from the Ed Sullivan Show is not the best video for a "Shredder British Guitarist Analyzes the Beach Boys."

I’m going to have to look for this Roy Orbison reaction video, both as a big fan of his, and just to laugh at the incompetence and lack of researching in this video.

I enjoy the band’s live work, but that comment is hilarious, HeyJude.

I didn’t know about the 2018 Grammys tributes, the 2019 box set, or the new live album. Thanks to Rocker and all for sharing and commenting. The one thing I’m confused on: I thought the 1993 box set was released by EMI/Capitol and Imperial Records? The Bear Family Records team claims it here, though; did EMI/Capitol recruit the Bear Family team (or whatever lineup existed at that time) to compile the box? I just got a hold of a copy of the 1993 box set last year. Is it a “waste” now? And unfortunately, despite my best efforts to search for a copy of the new live album, they’re all gone.       The record club doesn’t have any, and the same is true of Discogs. I’ll have to keep periodically searching; I would love to have it.

[Austin Butler’s Full Concert Performance as Elvis Presley Will Be Released, Baz Luhrmann Promises]

Austin Butler’s Full Concert Performance as Elvis Presley Will Be Released, Baz Luhrmann Promises
However, the director won't start work on his estimated four-hour cut of the biopic until 2025

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/austin-butler-elvis-presley-concert-baz-luhrmann-directors-cut-1234638749/

I am so tired of the obsession over Austin Butler. In my opinion, at best, his performance was average. His voice/accent was off, and he shouldn’t have been cast in the first place because he doesn’t look enough like Elvis. I have heard those in charge of the nominations for the Golden Globes disagree with me, but I stand firm in my opinion. For all the research Baz Luhrmann did, there could and should have made many improvements to the movie (accuracy, casting, etc.).

It's a Dutch/German name, and double Os are pronounced differently than in English.  One can Anglicise the name, or not.  Bob Moog didn't.

Hi Joshilyn, thank you for the historical/lingual background. You learn something new every day. 

I think “Mowg” isn’t quite right. What I recall hearing is more “Moag.” Or, the name of the stooge with a hard stop. Super picky, I know. 

No, you’re right though (and I’m also super picky about everything so I get it  ). I should have thought a little more about the pronunciation before asking. 

[Slightly off-topic, but does anyone know why some people pronounce it as “Mowg” when it’s clearly spelled “Moog”?]

a new 30-second longer mix is included in SOS, track 7 disc 6

it adds a short "intro" of radio noise,
a false start and instrumental portion on Back In Bed,
the "wind" sound effect (what is that anyway?) intros I'm The Pied Piper rather than Radio Kingdom,
and Magic Transistor Radio adds an instrumental portion also

I haven’t listened to the new box yet (likely waiting to pick up a physical copy first) and I haven’t heard the Fairytale in a while (and I’m not even sure if I have listened to the instrumental version), but I’m going to make an assumption that the wind sound effect is (played on) a Moog synthesizer. Slightly off-topic, but does anyone know why some people pronounce it as “Mowg” when it’s clearly spelled “Moog”? Thank you in advance.

Bob Moog the inventor of the Moog synthesizer pronounced his name that way

Thanks, guitarfool. I didn’t know that, but I’m still surprised he pronounced his name that way, defying my expectations.