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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: January 21, 2023, 10:28:45 PM
Does Brian Wilson sing both harmony parts to the first chorus of Sloop John B?

I thought Al was one of them; (if Iím reading it and/or understanding your question correctly ó and if Iím thinking of the right part), c-manís website confirms this.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sail On Sailor Box Set: Official Sessionography on: January 15, 2023, 01:33:04 PM
I didnít post this before, partly because I havenít looked through the whole thing yet - I donít want to have too many spoilers especially since I havenít had a chance to pick up the box set yet (donít throw me off the thread or the board  LOL), butÖ

Thank you c-man, Alan Boyd, Joshilyn, WillJC, and John Brode (the last name I donít recognize) for your amazing and time-consuming work on the sessionography. In my opinion, this is as awesome as the set (and I donít have the box yet, nor have I looked through more than a few songs in the sessionography). I love you all.  Wink

(Also, itís nice to see more (lead) guitar credits for Carl on the couple or so Iíve looked at so far.)

EDIT: Not that I doubt everyoneís research, but it still shocks me that Carl is behind the Ďsecondí/gruff lead vocal on You Need A Mess of Help to Stand Alone.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sail On Sailor Box Set: Official Sessionography on: January 14, 2023, 11:02:50 PM
surprised to see Tandym Almer on so many songs.

and is that Michael Clarke of the Byrds drumming on Rooftop Harry??

Yes on Michael Clarke. I remember reading that somewhere - perhaps that Bedroom Tapes article from one of the LA papers.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Tidbit on the Televised Beach Boys Tribute Concert on: January 12, 2023, 10:39:18 PM
The date of the tribute show for the BBs has finally been announced (see below).

From https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/grammy-salute-the-beach-boys-2023-1235198488/:

"A Grammy Salute to The Beach Boys, the latest in a series of "Grammy Salute" specials, will tape Wednesday, Feb. 8, three days after the 65th annual Grammy Awards are held in Los Angeles. The live concert special will feature a star-studded lineup paying tribute to the classic pop/rock group. It will tape at the Dolby Theatre in Hollywood and will air on CBS later this year."



Oh wow - letís hope there are some actual stars. Itís been a while since Iíve been able to post, but others have floated (or read, j canít recall) about big names of today and yesterday? In terms of today, Iím not a fan of Weezer, but Rivers Cuomo does seem to like The Beach Boys (and I think The Monkees too, IIRC). Maybe the Jonas Brothers for today? (Iím not a fan, but Nick Jonas was in LPR, so who knows?)

In terms of yesterday, whoís still around thatís would be up for and/or able to do it? The Rolling Stones, if they page brushed off Mike? LOL  Paul McCartney on God Only Knows, perhaps? (Imagine if Paul and Ringo Starr did God Only Knows together? A Beatles reunion for a Beach Boys event would be awesome.) Bob Dylan? Roger McGuinn? David Crosby? (Imagine a Byrds reunion too?) Micky Dolenz? Peter Noone? Barry Gibb? Maybe Willie Nelson doing The Warmth of the Sun again? The Eagles (now with 2001 BW special alumnus Vince Gill)? Bruce Springsteen? Maybe Elton John since he was in LPR? Jeff Lynne/ELO? Lorrie Morgan doing Donít Worry Baby again?

What do we think the chances of any of the band, other than Iíd say Al being 99% likely IMO, attending. I know it wouldnít happen but a full band reunion (including Blondie and even Ricky if he was interested) backed by any/some/many/all of Ed Carter, Bobby Figueroa, (Mike Kowalski on percussion?), Brianís band, Scott Totten, John Cowsill, and maybe even Brian Eichenberger would be pretty awesome!! (Especially since it would 99.99% likely be the last possible time.) I tried to narrow down a potential setlist, but I couldnít get lower than like 15, which definitely wouldnít happen. I doubt if it did happen that it would go above a handful.

After all, Paul and Ringo reunited for their special for a handful of songs, which I missed somehow when it aired ó maybe my DVR deleted it on its own or something. (Did Barry Gibb play at the one for The Bee Gees? I also missed that one somehow when it aired - but I think I forgot to DVR that one.) Too bad they donít re-air and/or release these on DVD or something.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's Bass Playing on: December 25, 2022, 11:21:19 PM
Sorry to bring up this old thread but I don't think this would need no new one:

Currently I'm very interested in playing bass and therefor wondered about Brian's playing. One question that comes up is if Brian was the only bass player on the songs he played during the late 70s live shows. I watched a couple of videos but couldn't see anyone else on bass for those songs. I understand that I - as others probably do as well - underestimate late 70s Brian becaus of his condition. Still, I wonder if he had that much practice and rehearsal for carrying the bass duties during that time.

Another general question I have is if we know if Brian had an understanding of how the bass works so that he could actually "play" the instrument or did he just have Carl show him the lines for each song and kept it to that?

Not sure about the second point but Ed Carter was almost certainly covering bass for Brian, whose playing and behaviour could be described as quite erratic during this period.

I could be wrong, but I thought that Ed Carter switched to guitar for those 1977-78 shows and only played bass for songs like Lady Lynda, Country Pie, Everyoneís In Love With You, etc.

Rocker, I thought the general consensus was that, at the very beginning, Carl showed Brian the lines for each song, but that eventually, Brian knew how to ďplayĒ bass on his own (maybe with a little help from Carl for more difficult parts?). I do wonder about any songs he hadnít played bass on in the Ď60ís that he may have played in 1977-78. I wonder if he ďtranslatedĒ them himself, or if Carl or Ed Carter helped him because he hadnít played bass regularly for a while.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's \ on: December 23, 2022, 11:07:44 PM
Here's hoping whoever wins thinks outside the box and delivers an amazing vocal no one would expect!
LOL

I entered but definitely didnít deliver an amazing vocal, so I doubt it get it. LOL Combination of lack of time to prepare, having not heard the song before a few days ago, not being familiar with the software I was using, and trying not to wake the neighbors while recording late at night. I kinda apologized in my email for the poor vocal, because I definitely couldíve done better, but I really wanted to say I submitted something of me singing to Brian Wilson for a contest.  Grin  

EDIT: Accidentally double-posted (and quoted myself) while trying to edit an emoji. Is there a way to delete a post from a tablet/phone, or can that only be done on a computer? (Iím struggling to find a delete button?)

ANOTHER EDIT: Since it looks like Iím stuck with this embarrassing double-post (sorry about that everyone), Iíll take advantage of it to echo Billy Cís comments about the melody. I know very little of Brianís solo material, (and as I said I had to sing poorer and a bit different because of the time and I didnít want to risk belting at that late hour,) but I was surprised at how difficult the higher parts actually were. Iíll have to listen to seltaebís version and the other cover posted below. (Iím not going to post mine out of embarrassment about my vocal.)
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's \ on: December 23, 2022, 11:07:04 PM
Here's hoping whoever wins thinks outside the box and delivers an amazing vocal no one would expect!
LOL

I entered but definitely didnít deliver an amazing vocal, so I doubt it get it. LOL Combination of lack of time to prepare, having not heard the song before a few days ago, not being familiar with the software I was using, and trying not to wake the neighbors while recording late at night. I kinda apologized in my email for the poor vocal, because I definitely couldíve done better, but I really wanted to say I submitted something of me singing to Brian Wilson for a contest.  Grin  
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What would you want on an expanded IN CONCERT? on: December 22, 2022, 01:23:13 AM
A bit of a sidebar but partially on topic: Some questions were brought up regarding pro-shot videos. BRI does have full pro-shot shows in their archive, but they are mostly from about 1977 and later. I recall talking to Alan Boyd about it years and years ago, and even in cases where they have full pro-shot videos available in good video quality, they don't always have a corresponding good audio source.

Sadly, the most "releasable" pro-shot videos they have would probably be rather standard late 80s and 90s stuff. The 1977-mid 80s stuff is spotty based on who might have been wasted at the show, who sounded off, and just general performance issues.

Remember that both of the 1980 shows, Knebworth and Washington DC, not only had a good amount of overdubs, but also had huge chunks of the shows deleted before airing/release. That's about as clean and pro as that era can sound.

But as far as later eras, while I'd LOVE as many full uncut shows from all eras as possible, some sort of compilation would probably make more sense. They could cherry pick stuff from the 70s, 80s, and 90s to represent the best (and most interesting) performances.

Also, they could and should release any of the many FULL shows they have from the 2012 reunion tour. Hollywood Bowl and Red Rocks were both shot in full in HD (and the Hollywood Bowl apparently in 3D!?!), and I suspect several other shows were captured in full as well (some degree of video shooting took place at the Royal Albert Hall, there was an in-house video for Wembley, and we know they shot that one show early in the tour that was used for that "Doin' It Again" doc, plus the show the used for the edited "Live in Concert" video surely exists uncut).

HeyJude, do we know any more specific information regarding the overdubs/extent they were used on the two 1980 shows? Iíve always been curious of that; I know there were details about Darliní from Knebworth on the Endless Harmony soundtrack.

I didnít realize they filmed that many shows in 2012. Now I want it even more!!  Grin (Especially because I wasnít fortunate enough to see them reunited.  Undecided)
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What would you want on an expanded IN CONCERT? on: December 13, 2022, 12:50:31 AM
I think maybe there are three more possibilities for big boxes, if Capitol is up for them. The first would be In Concert (1972-73, maybe even with 1974 and/or 1975 too?). The second is a Brianís Back box; I know Mark Linett and Alan Boyd have talked about wanting to do this (though I think one or both of them mentioned going as far as MIU; that would have to be a pretty big box, or have a lot of material cut from it, especially if they include(d) material from Adult/Child and/or the second Christmas album. The third would be a comprehensive live box, probably 1974/75/76-1993, and any other interesting things that might be in the vaults. I doubt this would happen, but Iíd love to get C50 live material on it too. For the remaining albums, depending on the market and amount of material, maybe they just limit it to expanded 1-CD or deluxe 2-CD versions?
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Full Time Musician Reacts To The Beach Boys on: December 13, 2022, 12:43:52 AM

I recall the vocal coach video guy that did a Roy Orbison reaction video and said Orbison was "still out there performing" even though he had been dead for over 30 years.

Like, "Wendy" from the Ed Sullivan Show is not the best video for a "Shredder British Guitarist Analyzes the Beach Boys."

Iím going to have to look for this Roy Orbison reaction video, both as a big fan of his, and just to laugh at the incompetence and lack of researching in this video.

I enjoy the bandís live work, but that comment is hilarious, HeyJude.
11  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Fats Domino RIP on: December 13, 2022, 12:31:23 AM
I didnít know about the 2018 Grammys tributes, the 2019 box set, or the new live album. Thanks to Rocker and all for sharing and commenting. The one thing Iím confused on: I thought the 1993 box set was released by EMI/Capitol and Imperial Records? The Bear Family Records team claims it here, though; did EMI/Capitol recruit the Bear Family team (or whatever lineup existed at that time) to compile the box? I just got a hold of a copy of the 1993 box set last year. Is it a ďwasteĒ now? And unfortunately, despite my best efforts to search for a copy of the new live album, theyíre all gone.  Cry     The record club doesnít have any, and the same is true of Discogs. Iíll have to keep periodically searching; I would love to have it.
12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley on: December 13, 2022, 12:16:15 AM
Austin Butlerís Full Concert Performance as Elvis Presley Will Be Released, Baz Luhrmann Promises
However, the director won't start work on his estimated four-hour cut of the biopic until 2025

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/austin-butler-elvis-presley-concert-baz-luhrmann-directors-cut-1234638749/

I am so tired of the obsession over Austin Butler. In my opinion, at best, his performance was average. His voice/accent was off, and he shouldnít have been cast in the first place because he doesnít look enough like Elvis. I have heard those in charge of the nominations for the Golden Globes disagree with me, but I stand firm in my opinion. For all the research Baz Luhrmann did, there could and should have made many improvements to the movie (accuracy, casting, etc.).
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mount Vernon and Fairway - Instrumental ? on: December 12, 2022, 01:11:26 AM
It's a Dutch/German name, and double Os are pronounced differently than in English.  One can Anglicise the name, or not.  Bob Moog didn't.

Hi Joshilyn, thank you for the historical/lingual background. You learn something new every day.  Smiley
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mount Vernon and Fairway - Instrumental ? on: December 11, 2022, 01:48:16 AM
I think ďMowgĒ isnít quite right. What I recall hearing is more ďMoag.Ē Or, the name of the stooge with a hard stop. Super picky, I know.  Grin

No, youíre right though (and Iím also super picky about everything so I get it  Grin). I should have thought a little more about the pronunciation before asking.  Smiley
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mount Vernon and Fairway - Instrumental ? on: December 10, 2022, 01:48:52 AM
a new 30-second longer mix is included in SOS, track 7 disc 6

it adds a short "intro" of radio noise,
a false start and instrumental portion on Back In Bed,
the "wind" sound effect (what is that anyway?) intros I'm The Pied Piper rather than Radio Kingdom,
and Magic Transistor Radio adds an instrumental portion also

I havenít listened to the new box yet (likely waiting to pick up a physical copy first) and I havenít heard the Fairytale in a while (and Iím not even sure if I have listened to the instrumental version), but Iím going to make an assumption that the wind sound effect is (played on) a Moog synthesizer. Slightly off-topic, but does anyone know why some people pronounce it as ďMowgĒ when itís clearly spelled ďMoogĒ? Thank you in advance.

Bob Moog the inventor of the Moog synthesizer pronounced his name that way

Thanks, guitarfool. I didnít know that, but Iím still surprised he pronounced his name that way, defying my expectations.  Grin
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mount Vernon and Fairway - Instrumental ? on: December 09, 2022, 01:41:35 AM
a new 30-second longer mix is included in SOS, track 7 disc 6

it adds a short "intro" of radio noise,
a false start and instrumental portion on Back In Bed,
the "wind" sound effect (what is that anyway?) intros I'm The Pied Piper rather than Radio Kingdom,
and Magic Transistor Radio adds an instrumental portion also

I havenít listened to the new box yet (likely waiting to pick up a physical copy first) and I havenít heard the Fairytale in a while (and Iím not even sure if I have listened to the instrumental version), but Iím going to make an assumption that the wind sound effect is (played on) a Moog synthesizer. Slightly off-topic, but does anyone know why some people pronounce it as ďMowgĒ when itís clearly spelled ďMoogĒ? Thank you in advance.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Interview 1977 at Brother Studios on: November 20, 2022, 11:41:52 PM
IIRC, c-man and friends have determined that Dennis plays guitar on Slip on Through, Got to Know the Woman, and at least one of his solo songs from Bambu (Iím blanking on the title).
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Petition to Get Still Cruisin and Summer In Paradise Reissued! on: September 02, 2022, 02:24:08 PM
Sorry to dredge up a thread from a little bit ago, but I havenít been able to check the forum as much as Iíve liked for the past month or so.

Just an opinion: I think Mike misses the golden years, when Brian and he were penning hits upon hits, which also proved to be great evergreen songs, more than anybody else in the world, and that's the rmain reason he seems to be less than enthusiastic about his own "solo" output.

I agree to some extent, but wouldnít that mean it would be more likely he would actually push for a reunion with him writing Brian (instead of just using for it to shut up interviewers).

"Looking Back With Love" is not the worst thing any of them ever did.

It's kind of an "MIU Album" without the other BBs on it, and with mostly outside songwriters.

It's a more homogenized, more generic-sounding version of "MIU", which, yeah, means it's not very good. But a few of the songs are okay. Mike's leads are as good as anything else he was doing in that era.

BB backing vocals would have helped; those anonymous-sounding Curt Becher style backing vocals are competent but extra bland.

Ironically, Mike seems to dislike the album more than most fans.
Brian asks him in the fireside segment on Endless Summer to sing "Be My Baby, you did it on your album". Mike responds "what album?" It's like he wanted to forget it. Hey, at least he was trying. Carl and Mike stayed active recording while the rest of the group just wanted to coast on the past.

IIRC, I thought said Mike said something along the lines of ídonít talk about that album,í unless that was something I read here in our discussions on the forum.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2022-2023 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2018-2021) on: July 30, 2022, 08:39:20 AM
Get well soon Al, Carnie, and Wendy!!
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: July 12, 2022, 10:00:16 AM
Yes, Jimmy is the trombone player and an original member of Chicago. He has been there for most of the tour but disappeared sometime shortly after July 4. Iíve read on Facebook that it may be related to shoulder surgery.

Thatís really too bad that they arenít mixing things up a bit. Iím too young to have gone to the previous Beachago tours, and thought this would be the next best thing. The band members are obviously all talented and flexible enough that Iíd think it would be easy for, for instance, Al to come out and do backing vocals or a verse on one or two Chicago songs, or vice versa with Robert Lamm doing a BB song. Like they did during Beachago shows. Seems a big shame to me not to take advantage of the fact that you have arguably the two greatest American rock/pop bands touring together! 

Iím seeing them tomorrow night and am still looking forward to it, but feel like I miscalculated. I thought about going to one of the very early shows, but then figured that they'd be more likely to loosen up as the tour went on and thereíd be a greater chance of them doing some interesting stuff. Guess I was made the wrong call. I saw the last show of the Something Great tour with the Zombies, and for the encore everyone from both bands was out on stage together! 



Agreed. Iím also too young to have gone to prior Beachago shows so I totally get it. Iím not a huge fan of Wishing You Were Here but it wouldíve been nice to hear it and see Al and some of Brianís band with Chicago. Chicagoís encore is two songs only, if that helps. I can tell you that they had a lot of distance to travel overnight from MA to NJ, so that also could depend on time between shows, I hope? I didnít know that the tour with the Zombies ended with a joint encore for the last show.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: July 12, 2022, 08:40:59 AM
Iíll update later with better phrased thoughts.

I had never seen Brian, Al, and Blondie perform H&V so I was shocked when Matt sang Cantina.

I echo earlier posters that there was kind of a confused Ďwho takes lead vocalí if Brian doesnít - Matt stepped in fairly quickly to fill the void though.

Brian occasionally moved down to bass vocals when it appeared he felt he couldnít hit the high notes, such as GOK and GV.

Unfortunately time is catching up with Al, as Awesoman put it.

Most popular songs were SJB, GOK, and the rock and roll ending few.

Chicagoís horns no longer play on Darliní.

No L&M.

Matt talks a lot with the sound guy off the side of the stage about the mic levels.

Darian and the band kicked ass as usual.

I got to thank Darian and Paul and fistbump Darian, who may have smiled at my PS 2017 shirt.

Very sorry to read that the Chicago horn section didnít join for Darliní. Iím seeing them tomorrow and as a huge fan of both bands, the ďcross pollinationĒ aspect is what Iíve been most looking forward to. Perhaps itís because Jimmy Pankow has been absent?  Was there any mixing of the bands at all?

Unfortunately no. Iím still slowly moving my way into Chicago so I couldnít tell you if Jimmy Pankow has been absent though I heard that from someone a few seats away from me. Heís the trombone player right? Whoever was his substitute looked to he about the same age and was in great shape.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: July 10, 2022, 05:33:04 PM
Iíll update later with better phrased thoughts.

I had never seen Brian, Al, and Blondie perform H&V so I was shocked when Matt sang Cantina.

I echo earlier posters that there was kind of a confused Ďwho takes lead vocalí if Brian doesnít - Matt stepped in fairly quickly to fill the void though.

Brian occasionally moved down to bass vocals when it appeared he felt he couldnít hit the high notes, such as GOK and one or two other songs, I think GV was one of them.

Unfortunately time is catching up with Al, as Awesoman put it.

Most popular songs were SJB, GOK (with standing ovation), and the rock and roll ending few (HMR, SUSA, FFF, etc).

Chicagoís horns no longer play on Darliní.

No L&M.

Matt talks a lot with the sound guy off the side of the stage about the mic levels.

Darian and the band kicked ass as usual.

I got to thank Darian and Paul and fistbump Darian, who may have smiled at my PS 2017 shirt.

EDIT: Brian didnít sing a ton, and Matt sang all of IGA. Brian did appear to give everything for Be My Baby, though.
If anyone else has any questions, I can see what else I can remember.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Live Deep Cuts album on: July 10, 2022, 12:19:23 PM
 And I wouldn't mind having a recording of Carl singing "The Warmth of the Sun" (didn't Billy Hinsche also handle lead on this song?). 


AFAIK it was always either Carl or Matt (in later years of course). Never heard of Billy singing the lead.


I know Billy sang Iím Waiting for the Day live. Maybe thatís what Awesoman is thinking of, unless Iíve forgotten something else.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 60th Anniversary Tour on: July 01, 2022, 10:37:19 AM
Hi everyone, I somewhat want to clarify my comments: I didnít expect a big 60th tour for all the reasons weíve gone over here countless times, but hoped (like Al did or does) that there would be a handful of shows or so. Iím a younger fan who wasnít as into the band when C50 happened, so Iíve been hoping for my last chance to see at least four or five Beach Boys together on stage again. Iíve seen Brian and Al once (and I will again for a second time this year) and Mike and Bruce twice and enjoyed both shows but have constantly hoped for that chance to see them all together. Maybe it was a hopeless dream from the start, but it was my dream.

With my comment on Azoffís money magic, I also meant that I thought weíd have a really great documentary no later than December, especially with the archives that BRI has (and that users like HeyJude, Howie Edelson, Mark Linett, Alan Boyd, and others have continuously informed us about).
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 60th Anniversary Tour on: June 30, 2022, 03:33:26 PM
I havenít seen the interview (if someone could post a link please?) but Iím also disappointed with the summary. So much for Azoff and his money magic.

EDIT: Fixed typo.
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