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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: October 20, 2020, 09:22:15 PM
I would say all bets are off right now, as the political thing points up the fact that Mike is operating as if he is completely independent of the group.

The problem is, in terms of the history of the band as even the "mob wife" contingent over at "the nearest faraway place" sees it--hell, they actually had a very good thread there about the Holland years, which at least by implication suggests that the 67-73 period is highly regarded by a majority of "embedded" BB fans--if this set doesn't come out, it becomes a victory for those who want to push the pre-'66 material as the only thing that matters.

That's why the full track list needs to be leaked NOW, in order to capitalize on what is now once again in the public eye--the ongoing fracture in the band regarding its own identity. It's a perfect story for this moment in 20/20.

As much as I sympathize with those who suffered through the process of creating the set, I think the chances of creating a big enough public cause celebre about the situation will be squandered without someone stepping up to the plate and handing over that track list to the media.

FREE FEEL FLOWS!

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+2

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2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike to be part of Jerry Lee Lewis tribute on: October 13, 2020, 09:13:22 PM
He’s going to sing “Got to Know the Woman,” mention it was written by his cousin, and announce the release of Feel Flows.  Wink


EDIT: In all seriousness, I am pretty excited for the entire show.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl's personal music tastes on: October 07, 2020, 09:14:57 PM
Didn't someone post here once that when Carl lived in Colorado he sometimes played with a blues band at a bar or something to that effect?

Yes, I think it was either c-man or Ian; I also remember reading that here.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 27, 2020, 12:45:42 PM
Thanks for that list, All Summer Long. Some combination of any of these would be incredible! I'll be gutted if this doesn't come out.



For the record, I wouldn’t have been able to compile without jackjachman’s thread:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,25249.0.html

I should have posted that a while ago.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 27, 2020, 12:43:55 PM
Thank you Howie (and Jon) for the updates and additional info. Hope we get to hear it all.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone once again chooses top 500 albums, Pet Sounds is once again at #2 on: September 25, 2020, 09:59:08 PM
Is Wild Honey better than Smiley Smile?

Hell yes. I haven’t listened to it yet, but I bet even SIP is better than Smiley Smile.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 20, 2020, 03:14:46 PM
Thanks for the support Don Malcolm!! As a younger/newer fan, I haven’t heard a lot of what has already surfaced on older releases and boots so I’m eagerly supporting, hoping for, and awaiting this box set for many reasons.

So considering what we know exists, there are 20 masters from the original albums plus:

- I’m Going Your Way - As others have mentioned in this thread (I just can’t rememner who), the 2019 EP says this is alternate version, so perhaps there is a more final (faded or otherdubbed or with a final vocal) version in the vaults. The Brother Rarities set indicates a version with a running time of 1:53 exists; maybe this is a master because the 2019 “alternate vocal [(OD?)] take” runs to 2:36 including a session dialogue intro and breakdown at the end of the Take.
- Carnival (Over the Waves) - obviously the “master” was officially released almost a year ago, but it’s possible that there may also be some vocal WIP takes, complete and/or incomplete.
- Slip On Through - An early version was released on the EP, but there’s likely to be alternate takes from the final version. I believe the Sunflower ESQ said that the final master was re-recorded at a later session from this early EP version? Maybe Mark Linett and Alan Boyd have some alternate mixes that show Dennis’ guitar overdub on the master?
- San Miguel - At least the remix that Mark Linett already premiered in that 2-hour interview on YouTube.
- Cotton Fields (single version) - At least the remix that Mark Linett already premiered in that interview.
- possibly at least one of the songs Fred Vail and Brian cut for Cows in the Pasture.
-  Susie Cincinnati - original 1970 single mix according to the shelved Brother Rarities set. Aejitzsche and/or c-man have also discussed hearing the backing track for both versions recorded, of which the second was overdubbbed and became the master. At least 3 possible tracks there.
- Loop de Loop (Flip Flop Flyin’ In An Aeroplane) - original 1969/1970 version with Al’s falsetto (that he replaced in 1998 with a lower vocal) if he didn’t object to its release now.
- Take A Lead Off Your Feet - original mix
- Lady (Fallin’ In Love) - “previously unreleased stereo mix” mentioned on the Brother Rarities set, unless this was the version used for Summer Love Songs.
- Sound of Free - from the original masters, if it has been discovered since 2013.
- I Just Got My Pay - “original mix” from the Brother Rarities set.
- When Girls Get Together - original 1970 mix, plus the instrumental version slated for Reverberation
- Add Some Music To Your Day - with alternate lyrics and vocals from the Rarities set.
- This Whole World - long version with alternate vocals from the Rarities set. Maybe some vocal-only alternate takes/mixes? Maybe some of the original session that aejitzsche recreated the guitars from for us a few months ago. Supposedly full Eastern Airlines version.
- Tears in the Morning - alternate lyrics/vocals version from the Rarities set.
- Got to Know the Woman - at least maybe the mono mix slated for Reverberation. Maybe a new mix showing Dennis’ guitar overdub? Maybe a version including Doug Dragon’s organ that was removed?
- It’s About Time - maybe instrumental only mix or drums and percussion only mix?
- All I Wanna Do - possibilities are endless. At least Backing track and/or a cappella mixes.
- Forever - Again, possibilities endless. At least backing track and/or a cappella mixes. Maybe the original version before Mike’s vocals were added.
- Cool, Cool Water - possibilities are endless. Alternate a cappella and/or instrumental alternate mixes showing pre- and post-overdubs, the more organic and more water-synth versions. Coca-Cola version?
- Break Away - a cappella and/or instrumental. Maybe without the acoustics to show the dueling lead guitars?
- Celebrate the News - a cappella and/or instrumental.
- Back Home 1970 - alternate takes?
- My Solution
- Seasons in the Sun
- Soulful Old Man Sunshine - maybe more has been found?
- Games Two Can Play - original pre-Adult Child mix if one exists?
- Maybe the recordings from Dennis’ first solo album? Discussed elsewhere but I can’t find the full list at the moment, but I’ll look later and edit again.
- Barnyard Blues - Backing track? Supposedly there’s also a piano demo?
- Good Time - original mix.
- You Never Give Me Your Money - Piano jam after a Good Time take.
- Big Sur - 4/4 version.
- ‘Til I Die - piano demo plus alternate positive lyrics version. Vocals only?
- WIBNTLA - maybe backing track only?
- Don’t Go Near the Water - a cappella mix?
- Long Promised Road - alternate mixes? Maybe whatever started the basic track (Carl on acoustic guitar or keys?)
- Disney Girls - a cappella mix?
- Student Demonstration Time - Instrumental only? Maybe the master without the Moog siren and/or bullhorn vocal effects?
- Feel Flows - did someone say the master runs longer or did I just invent that? Regardless, instrumental only or a cappella mixes?
- Lookin’ At Tomorrow - The Rarities set mentions an original unphased mix. Maybe also some Al vocal/guitar basic track takes?
 - A Day in the Life of a Tree - Jack Reilly’s vocal only? LOL Maybe an instrumental only mix that switches to vocals-only in the coda?
- Surf’s Up - Vocals only from the Rarities set. Maybe the 1971 track?
- Ol’ Movie - from the Rarities set.
- Awake - “Brian demo” from the Rarities set.
- Fourth of July - “original mix” and “alternate version” from the Rarities set.
- Happy Birthday Brian - from the Rarities set.
- Hawaii Song - from the Rarities set.
- Won’t You Tell Me - written by Murry and Rick Henn. Brian and Carl duet. (If it still exists)
- Sail On, Sailor - Brian piano demo and/or “songwriting tape with Van Dyke.” Maybe a 1971 version with a Carl vocal if it (still) exists?
- Telephone Backgrounds (On A Clear Day) - Carl Moog demo(?) if I recall correctly
- I’ve Got A Friend - Backing track
- Maybe some recordings for CATP? I feel like that would be too late for this project and be a 1971/2021 CE release, but that’s just my opinion. I have NO inside sources or info.

Live?
Maybe the 1969 Paris show remixed and remastered by Mark Linett and Alan Boyd? Maybe Brian with the band standing in for Mike in February? Maybe a tape from the Whisky - apparently Bruce says he has one? Maybe the show where Ricky Fataar joined the backing band before joining as a full member? (though this would probably be better as a 2021 CE or part of a CATP release/box or an In Concert release/box)

EDIT: Apologies for how visually ugly this looks.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 20, 2020, 01:36:56 PM
To get this somewhat back on-topic, isn't it interesting to think about how much more fun and interesting and exciting it would be if, say, a set and track listing had been announced by now and we were having fun speculating about the contents of the set?

Could your source reveal any small details about track listing? E.g. I think it was Adam Marsland who, in the run up to Smile Sessions, revealed that Alan Boyd had let him know of a then unrevealed "woah" inclusion in that set. It turned out to be the Wild Honey era Surf's Up recording if I recall.

I would generally agree with Donny that I prefer threads to follow an organic path and flow freely into any related tangents, unless things go way off topic, rather than separating those out into  separate threads, but it looks like we might be in a minority. But if the function of this thread is just to keep the Feel Flows release on the agenda, until there is new news, what more can we do here than go round in circles with the same group of voices just saying we would like to see it released?

My own fan knowledge/scholarship tells me you could probably look at that old "Brother Rarities Proposed Bonus Tracks" set of discs from 2000 to get just an inkling of an idea of some of the stuff that could be on the set.

I'd wager we'd get one or more iteration of "This Whole World" including that extra long backing track on that "Brother Rarities" test disc. The demo and alternate of "'Til I Die" would seem likely. The alternate "Add Some Music To Your Day."

I know, these are all obvious.

I was going to say we should use that to create a bare minimum list/discussion of what could come out. And I plan to edit that into this post in a second. EDIT: See three posts down.

The effort to release Feel Flows has been mentioned on Wikipedia. My article is their source. Word being spread!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feel_Flows

Thanks Joel!! Your article is also used as a source for this info on Wiki’s (main) BB article/page as well!!
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce in 2021 on: September 18, 2020, 12:06:03 PM
We'll be lucky if we even have Mike and Bruce onstage next year. By the time a vaccine for covid-19 has been found, all of the guys could be in assisted living.

Yeah, it's great to be cautiously optimistic but the pandemic is projected to last until late 2021. Then after that it'll still be a gradual process as travel bans are lifted and industries reopen..

If they are to do a second reunion then I feel it ought to be in the studio, and sooner rather than later. There's still a chance they could make a cool rock and roll album (like Brian's wanted for ages) if they really got their sh!t together and all started writing again. When did Bruce last even try writing a song? He wrote great stuff in the early-mid 60's and would surely still be capable of doing so with the urging of the right producer. Four capable songwriters if you include Mike - they should be writing, and a proper group recording project with a fun/lighthearted rock'n'roll approach would be the perfect impetus.

And maybe Brian, Al, David, and Bruce could actually play more on the record (not that David Marks didn't the last time); it's a little strange with TWGTMR being a rare exception (SIP, S&S) where only one member plays on the record. 
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: September 15, 2020, 08:11:24 PM
I was just wondering if there are any sources on the personnel for the Smiley Smile album? I've noticed on Wikipedia in particular that information on who plays on the album is woefully under-detailed - there's zero detail as to what instruments each member played, and even Bruce Johnston is omitted from the personnel list. I've also noticed that on many of the other, more detailed personnel sections of Beach Boys albums on Wikipedia, credited sources came from Craig Slowinski, while the same isn't the case for Smiley Smile.

That’s been my personal project. I’ve been using whatever I can of Craig Slowinski’s credits to update Wikipedia. I was told by other editors I was only allowed to do something with a source that covered most or all of the album. I couldn’t just list the known credits (I.e. Carl - Vocals, Bass, Guitar on “Good Vibrations” and “Gettin’ Hungry”, Percussion on “Good Vibrations”, etc) for a couple random tracks. I did try to do that using the GV and H&V credits from Wiki, but that was reverted as well. I’ve been using c-man’s ESQ sessionographies but I’ve had to buy backorders and I haven’t bought Smiley Smile’s issue yet (partially because its my least favorite BB album so far).

That's pretty ridiculous that they won't take most sources, particularly since for many other bands they specify which tracks a particular member played a certain instrument on - case in point Let It Bleed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_It_Bleed. Perhaps a system like that could possibly be implemented? Surely for them to arbitrarily delete credits when it has been proved to be accurate for the reason you stated would be akin to treating dandruff with decapitation, as Frank Zappa would put it.

Sorry I worded that terribly. What I meant to say was let’s just say we’re in a world where only credits for GV and H&V existed for Smiley Smile (lost AFMs for the rest, no Sea of Tunes/other outtakes) I couldn’t just write Carl - vocals; guitar and percussion on GV; Brian - vocals, keyboards on GV and H&V; Dennis - vocals; organ on GV; etc.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: September 15, 2020, 08:06:58 AM
I was just wondering if there are any sources on the personnel for the Smiley Smile album? I've noticed on Wikipedia in particular that information on who plays on the album is woefully under-detailed - there's zero detail as to what instruments each member played, and even Bruce Johnston is omitted from the personnel list. I've also noticed that on many of the other, more detailed personnel sections of Beach Boys albums on Wikipedia, credited sources came from Craig Slowinski, while the same isn't the case for Smiley Smile.

That’s been my personal project. I’ve been using whatever I can of Craig Slowinski’s credits to update Wikipedia. I was told by other editors I was only allowed to do something with a source that covered most or all of the album. I couldn’t just list the known credits (I.e. Carl - Vocals, Bass, Guitar on “Good Vibrations” and “Gettin’ Hungry”, Percussion on “Good Vibrations”, etc) for a couple random tracks. I did try to do that using the GV and H&V credits from Wiki, but that was reverted as well. I’ve been using c-man’s ESQ sessionographies but I’ve had to buy backorders and I haven’t bought Smiley Smile’s issue yet (partially because its my least favorite BB album so far). Bruce was omitted because they feel we can’t prove him on GV and maybe Vegetables since he was gone for the recording of most of the album.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 08, 2020, 07:41:28 AM
I think I’ve cracked the code. Some of us have mentioned someone holding out for some future release...Mike wants a 50th box set of SIP coming out in 2043, and that’s the only way he’ll let this go out.  Wink
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 05, 2020, 01:02:05 PM
So I made a comment on ESQ's facebook post regarding the 10th anniversary of Al Jardine's 'Postcard from California' expressing my disappointment at the lack of coverage regarding this box set, and received a PERSONAL MESSAGE, asking why I was taking "unnecessary shots" at ESQ and inquiring what behind-the-scenes disaster I was referring to in my comment (you can decide for yourself if anything I said was out of line, mine is the long post including the link to the change.org petition: https://www.facebook.com/ESQEditor/photos/a.345125747486/10158487201832487/?comment_id=10158495305522487&notif_id=1599151752100968&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif).

Including in my response a statement of surprise and appreciation that they would take the time to personally respond to me, I asked again why there is silence regarding this previously openly acknowledged set. And mentioned that again, 1,000+ fans are eager to spend their hard-earned money on it. The response(s) were basically of the message that they are not the one with the answers, and that there are "more important" things going on, encouraging me to "put this in perspective" with the global pandemic and all.

Among all the articulate and superficially respectful comments, one in particular did not sit right with me; in reference to the change.org petition, they outright said to me that 1,000 fans is "not a large number" to sign this petition. That's the attitude these people are taking.

Unfortunately your comment has been deleted. Nice to know ESQ is on the fans’ side   Wink
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Happy Birthday! on: September 04, 2020, 08:46:24 PM
Happy Belated Birthday Al Jardine!!
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl on Stars and Stripes on: August 28, 2020, 09:00:55 PM
One of the biggest misfires of their career. They put it together at a time when many of the cool younger indie artists had just (re-)discovered the Beach Boys, with bands like the High Llamas or Saint Etienne being huge fans. The Beach Boys, however, did not care. Instead they released this album made for an older conservative audience that wasn't interested in this project at all.
If they'd thought of it a couple years earlier, they could have had Nirvana covering "In My Room".
Thank God that never happened.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: August 28, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
What is the largest Brian/BB arrangement in terms of sheer number of instruments? Counting overdubs and all.

I’ve been thinking about it and Three Blind Mice is probably up there.

Like a masochist, I did the maths.

There are 30 musicians playing on the Good Vibrations single, not including Beach Boys who only sang, but the track has 65 individually performed instruments across all sections and overdubs. This isn't counting anything that isn't in the final single mix.

Then a fan’s work is never done. I’d keep editing Wikipedia to add the correct info, but some editors say this board and historians like c-man (and JH and yourself) aren’t good enough sources. Another reason to look forward to c-man’s future MiC sessionography!!
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Judy Bowles on: August 24, 2020, 06:30:58 PM

An interesting footnote to the photo involves the one player not shown—Bob Levey, the son of legendary jazz drummer Stan Levey.  After his parents divorced, Levey moved from Brooklyn, New York, to Hawthorne in the late 1950s.  Levey pitched, played third base, and was a strong pinch hitter.  “Brian was a fabulous guy,” Levey recalled.  “Just a real good person.  He was always out there cracking jokes.”


Now on Wikipedia I found this about Steve:

Levey's crisp, melodic style continued to have more in common with bop than cool, and he inspired every group he ever played in. A right-handed person, Levey played the drums, as if left-handed. Levey has played on thousands of recordings, ...
So, I don't know if the timing fits or if they had any contact, but do you think that Dennis' style of playing was influenced by Levey, maybe through his son showing Dennis some stuff? Dennis did play like he was left-handed, too.

Stan Levey does play on “At My Window,” although that would likely be too late for him to show Dennis anything.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Happy 72nd birthday David Marks! on: August 22, 2020, 08:10:34 PM
Happy Birthday David Marks!!
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl on Stars and Stripes on: August 22, 2020, 09:43:33 AM
The liner notes say that Carl sang on everything except “Long Tall Texan.”
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian almost purchasing the L&M movie car on: August 17, 2020, 03:59:36 PM
Wow that’s awesome

Just the thought that Brian wanted to get it as a gift for Melinda is sweet and romantic. But I understand why she wouldn't have wanted a vintage car, they are lots of work and if not properly cared for become a giant decaying money pit.

Has Brian ever owned a vintage car? As in a car that in its day was an antique of some sort? I believe Dennis and Mike both did

...Ole Betsy?



She was born in ‘32...
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: August 14, 2020, 12:59:23 PM
According to one user’s post in the Sail On FB group, the M&B Wallingford, CT show has been rescheduled to April 17, 2021.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'All I Wanna Do' Mystery Lyrics on: August 09, 2020, 08:14:44 PM
This might be a stupid question, but has anyone ever thought about asking Mike? Didn’t he do this live in 2015? Or maybe there’s a clip from 2015 that’ll help because there can’t be too many effects live, unless the mix and quality get in the way.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: August 02, 2020, 03:32:16 PM
Bruce's keyboard is on. It may be quiet in the mix most of the time, or not be in the audiences mix, but Bruce will have his own monitor where he may hear it.

Even then, it's audible on Disney Girls and I'm sure people in the past have said it's audible on other songs, but I cba to trawl the forums for them.

Supposedly he’s also audible on Darlin, GV, and BTTYS since John Cowsill moved from keys to drums in late 2007.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: July 30, 2020, 07:16:10 PM
A couple quick kinda related but still somewhat off-topic questions:

1. I haven’t listened to these three yet, but it was discussed earlier in this thread that at least three (obviously more but I’m curious about these) were rejected from MiC by one or more members of BRI: Thank Him, My Solution, and Carry Me Home. While I definitely understand as I know the lyrical content of Carry Me Home, what was wrong with the other two?

2. Other than Let Him Run Wild (plus the three above and probably Stevie), has there been anything else that Brian’s vetoed?


As the official BRI consultant, I was asked my opinion throughout and consulted with brains and heart.
I got the box green-lit by the label.
I saved it from dying on the vine TWICE.


Howie your wordplay makes Van Dyke Parks look like a grade-schooler - impressed with what you've done there.

How is this "wordplay"?
Who else is coming here and telling you about this box set and being as straight as possible?
We all appreciate your work, Howie. Thank you for the time you’ve put into the project. I interpreted the above comment as a compliment - dying on the vine is some nice writing.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Re: Happy Birthday, All Summer Long! on: July 28, 2020, 08:25:28 PM
Many happies, ASL. No doubt it will be a modest celebration in these strange times. Something sticky to start the day, perhaps, and a glass or two of some beverage to finish it off. Wink

Go well, sir.

Yes 100% to it, ASL will enjoy the birthday tea, perhaps green tea with chocolate cake. 3D
Everybody likes tea. Smiley It unites people. group hug

While digging through the board, I just realized I never reponded to this months ago. Thank you both for the well wishes!!
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