Brian's Stock Continues To Rise

[Mikie]

Ok. Let`s none of us ever discuss the end of C50 again eh. 

If that happened, there would be very few new threads and half the posters here wouldn't post anymore!  

[Ang Jones]

What sort of defence is 'there have been worse things before'? Maybe this was under the control of different moderators, maybe some slipped through the net.

As for this

To be fair, I think there is still space for some on topic discussion as well. job`s poorly worded question was possibly based on the fact that we have one insider opining that Melinda and Mike`s wife were not responsible for the reunion ending when two other insiders (Jon Stebbins and Howie Edelson) have opined that they were. It`s a shame that an interesting topic of discussion like that got lost in the petty squabbling...

I read an article on FB posted by Jon Stebbins recently in which he had stated that Mike didn't like the attention Brian was getting during the C50. This seems like another possible reason for Mike to want to go back to touring with Bruce and their band.

There are those who have some insider information - some have more of it than others. Ask a group of witnesses and often there will be different versions of the truth.

[Nicko1234]

I'm sure your unorthodox ways that get results will surely blow it wide open, I say keep hammering away at the witnesses... and if they don't respond... start hitting em with phonebooks. Leaves no marks, an interrogator's dream!

"Just one more thing, Ray..."

Er, you do know it wasn`t me who brought this up in the thread don`t you. Urbanite mentioned it and Guitarfool asked him to clarify if memory serves.

I apologize if me mentioning something on topic got in the way of you watching the sh*tstorm though.  

[Nicko1234]

What sort of defence is 'there have been worse things before'? Maybe this was under the control of different moderators, maybe some slipped through the net.

As for this

To be fair, I think there is still space for some on topic discussion as well. job`s poorly worded question was possibly based on the fact that we have one insider opining that Melinda and Mike`s wife were not responsible for the reunion ending when two other insiders (Jon Stebbins and Howie Edelson) have opined that they were. It`s a shame that an interesting topic of discussion like that got lost in the petty squabbling...

I read an article on FB posted by Jon Stebbins recently in which he had stated that Mike didn't like the attention Brian was getting during the C50. This seems like another possible reason for Mike to want to go back to touring with Bruce and their band.

There are those who have some insider information - some have more of it than others. Ask a group of witnesses and often there will be different versions of the truth.

Absolutely which is why it`s always great to have as many witnesses as possible. One of the reasons it`s a shame this thread took the path it did.

[ontor pertawst]

Better idea, Nicko. We can team up and good cop/bad cop them. We start off hating each other but learn a grudging respect for each other's methods. I can offer Stebbins gum or a cigarette, you kick his chair out from under him. He'll crack like an egg! AN EGG!

I hope everyone heeds your sincere call to get things back on topic: namely, gossiping about wives.

[bgas]

I hope Mikie's not going to get banned next.

Will it help if I start a poll to see how many folks think Mikie should be banned?

[Mendota Heights]

I think the Smiley Smile moderators are doing a lousy job and that they should resign so that sensible moderators can take over.

This thread is not about Brian anymore. It stopped being about Brian a long time ago, because the moderators don’t care if someone’s off topic or not. Other forums' moderators delete off topic posts for the simple reason that they are not a part of the topic that is being discussed. In this case the OP wanted to discuss Brian's rising stock (great choice). Now we are not able to do that since a whole bunch of people including moderators who should know better are derailing the discussion by posting posts about:

• other members
  
• how Smiley Smilers should or should not interact

Just like 98 % percent of threads here. Moderators please step up. Make it possible to keep discussions on topic. Delete off topic posts. From now and on.

Or resign.

[Nicko1234]

I think the Smiley Smile moderators are doing a lousy job and that they should resign so that sensible moderators can take over.

This thread is not about Brian anymore. It stopped being about Brian a long time ago, because the moderators don’t care if someone’s off topic or not. Other forums' moderators delete off topic posts for the simple reason that they are not a part of the topic that is being discussed. In this case the OP wanted to discuss Brian's rising stock (great choice). Now we are not able to do that since a whole bunch of people including moderators who should know better are derailing the discussion by posting posts about:

• other members
  
• how Smiley Smilers should or should not interact

Just like 98 % percent of threads here. Moderators please step up. Make it possible to keep discussions on top. Delete off topic posts. From now and on.

Or resign.

That is true and it is an interesting suggestion.

[guitarfool2002]

I think the Smiley Smile moderators are doing a lousy job and that they should resign so that sensible moderators can take over.

This thread is not about Brian anymore. It stopped being about Brian a long time ago, because the moderators don’t care if someone’s off topic or not. Other forums' moderators delete off topic posts for the simple reason that they are not a part of the topic that is being discussed. In this case the OP wanted to discuss Brian's rising stock (great choice). Now we are not able to do that since a whole bunch of people including moderators who should know better are derailing the discussion by posting posts about:

• other members
  
• how Smiley Smilers should or should not interact

Just like 98 % percent of threads here. Moderators please step up. Make it possible to keep discussions on top. Delete off topic posts. From now and on.

Or resign.

I'm sorry you don't like the ways and means of the board, but it has been moderated this way since 2006 for the most part, and that is primarily due to the fact that moderators past and present do not choose to step into every thread and dictate what is or isn't on topic and delete posts that don't conform. Discussions here are and always have been more free-form and free-flowing in nature, and I have never seen this board operating any other way. Discussions here also go the way the members posting in them decide to take them, and although some do go wildly off topic it hasn't been much of an issue since the board started.

So is it one now that needs to be addressed by calling for moderators to step down? I don't think so, but I'm biased. 

[Mendota Heights]

I think the Smiley Smile moderators are doing a lousy job and that they should resign so that sensible moderators can take over.

This thread is not about Brian anymore. It stopped being about Brian a long time ago, because the moderators don’t care if someone’s off topic or not. Other forums' moderators delete off topic posts for the simple reason that they are not a part of the topic that is being discussed. In this case the OP wanted to discuss Brian's rising stock (great choice). Now we are not able to do that since a whole bunch of people including moderators who should know better are derailing the discussion by posting posts about:

• other members
  
• how Smiley Smilers should or should not interact

Just like 98 % percent of threads here. Moderators please step up. Make it possible to keep discussions on top. Delete off topic posts. From now and on.

Or resign.

I'm sorry you don't like the ways and means of the board, but it has been moderated this way since 2006 for the most part, and that is primarily due to the fact that moderators past and present do not choose to step into every thread and dictate what is or isn't on topic and delete posts that don't conform. Discussions here are and always have been more free-form and free-flowing in nature, and I have never seen this board operating any other way. Discussions here also go the way the members posting in them decide to take them, and although some do go wildly off topic it hasn't been much of an issue since the board started.

So is it one now that needs to be addressed by calling for moderators to step down? I don't think so, but I'm biased.  

You're not biased, but when a discussion about Brian's rising stock turns into discussions about members and what they do you are doing something wrong. You don't have to delete the off topic posts, just move them to a new thread that you or one of the other moderators created. It is not hard.

Try it. You will feel a sense of accomplishment.

[guitarfool2002]

That is true and it is an interesting suggestion.

Do you really want that kind of iron-fisted, constant moderation style applied here, Nicko? If so, consider that the third post of this thread, which took it from listing Brian's recent accomplishments and celebrating them into asking about an album from 8-9 years ago and a tour which ended two years ago could have been flagged and deleted as off-topic, and half of your follow up questions and posts would be zapped as well. Because, sticking strictly to the "rules" under such strict moderation of the board, neither C50 nor the GIOMH album were mentioned or discussed in the original topic post and neither is "on topic" with Brian's activities in 2014 going into 2015?

Do you really want that as a general rule?

[Niko]

Do you really want that as a general rule?

Dear god, no.

[bgas]

That is true and it is an interesting suggestion.

Do you really want that kind of iron-fisted, constant moderation style applied here, Nicko? If so, consider that the third post of this thread, which took it from listing Brian's recent accomplishments and celebrating them into asking about an album from 8-9 years ago and a tour which ended two years ago could have been flagged and deleted as off-topic, and half of your follow up questions and posts would be zapped as well. Because, sticking strictly to the "rules" under such strict moderation of the board, neither C50 nor the GIOMH album were mentioned or discussed in the original topic post and neither is "on topic" with Brian's activities in 2014 going into 2015?

Do you really want that as a general rule?

Maybe posters that take a thread off topic should resign

[alf wiedersehen]

So, I think that Brian and Co. have been very smart in their handling of things lately. Sharing info about the album with the fanbase to build hype, bringing in some big-name people to attract more attention and get some sales from disparate fan bases, freshening up the live show with new faces and new songs, and presumably syncing up their planned releases. The "God Only Knows" single was a great move, too - it's raising his profile in the public eye and will maybe inspire some people to check out the original. They may not have always seemed to make the best choices in the past, but love or hate their methods, I think they're doing a good job currently and Brian is probably the biggest he's been since 2004.

[guitarfool2002]

I think the Smiley Smile moderators are doing a lousy job and that they should resign so that sensible moderators can take over.

This thread is not about Brian anymore. It stopped being about Brian a long time ago, because the moderators don’t care if someone’s off topic or not. Other forums' moderators delete off topic posts for the simple reason that they are not a part of the topic that is being discussed. In this case the OP wanted to discuss Brian's rising stock (great choice). Now we are not able to do that since a whole bunch of people including moderators who should know better are derailing the discussion by posting posts about:

• other members
  
• how Smiley Smilers should or should not interact

Just like 98 % percent of threads here. Moderators please step up. Make it possible to keep discussions on top. Delete off topic posts. From now and on.

Or resign.

I'm sorry you don't like the ways and means of the board, but it has been moderated this way since 2006 for the most part, and that is primarily due to the fact that moderators past and present do not choose to step into every thread and dictate what is or isn't on topic and delete posts that don't conform. Discussions here are and always have been more free-form and free-flowing in nature, and I have never seen this board operating any other way. Discussions here also go the way the members posting in them decide to take them, and although some do go wildly off topic it hasn't been much of an issue since the board started.

So is it one now that needs to be addressed by calling for moderators to step down? I don't think so, but I'm biased.  

You're not biased, but when a discussion about Brian's rising stock turns into discussions about members and what they do you are doing something wrong. You don't have to delete the off topic posts, just move them to a new thread that you or one of the other moderators created. It is not hard.

Try it. You will feel a sense of accomplishment.

I appreciate the suggestions, I'll take the criticism, but I won't be baited into something else by your last comment.

Nice try, though. Well, actually it wasn't a nice try at all, in fact it was uncalled for and definitely not appreciated.

By the way, do you realize that due to this board's structure and design which no one here can control, it is not possible to extract and remove individual posts into another thread or location? You can merge topic, but individual posts cannot be moved into new topics.

I can't control that lack of a feature and nor can the numbers of other board moderators and owners who have been asking for such a feature from the board host designers for some time, to no avail, unfortunately, so consider that before throwing that out there like it's my call.

[Nicko1234]

Do you really want that kind of iron-fisted, constant moderation style applied here, Nicko? If so, consider that the third post of this thread, which took it from listing Brian's recent accomplishments and celebrating them into asking about an album from 8-9 years ago and a tour which ended two years ago could have been flagged and deleted as off-topic, and half of your follow up questions and posts would be zapped as well. Because, sticking strictly to the "rules" under such strict moderation of the board, neither C50 nor the GIOMH album were mentioned or discussed in the original topic post and neither is "on topic" with Brian's activities in 2014 going into 2015?

Do you really want that as a general rule?

Where did I say that I wanted that? I said it is an interesting suggestion because it is one that works on other boards. NOT that they are run in an iron-fisted way but just that any posts that are completely off topic are removed.

The third post of this thread wouldn`t be deleted because it relates to Melinda`s role in helping to manage Brian`s career which was mentioned in the first post. Other boards that I look at would certainly not delete a post related so closely to the original topic.

I am not saying that this is a style that this board should be adopting but it is an interesting idea. Even just the idea that threads should be kept closer to topic isn`t a bad one.

[ontor pertawst]

See, Nicko, it wouldn't be up to YOU to decide if your posts were off-topic, tho. Some people would come to different conclusions and you'd find many of your thoughtful, not nitpicking at all posts zapped if that were the moderating style. They would join mine in the recycle bin!

[SMiLE Brian]

GF is doing a great job as a mod.

[rab2591]

So, I think that Brian and Co. have been very smart in their handling of things lately. Sharing info about the album with the fanbase to build hype, bringing in some big-name people to attract more attention and get some sales from disparate fan bases, freshening up the live show with new faces and new songs, and presumably syncing up their planned releases. The "God Only Knows" single was a great move, too - it's raising his profile in the public eye and will maybe inspire some people to check out the original. They may not have always seemed to make the best choices in the past, but love or hate their methods, I think they're doing a good job currently and Brian is probably the biggest he's been since 2004.

Agreed! All cylinders are firing and I can't wait for what happens in the next 3-4 months. I really think this album is going to be huge, and, judging by Ray's thoughts on the actual music, us BW fans will not be disappointed with what gets released!

[ontor pertawst]

 I just can't wait to hear the new songs then get some more tour dates announced... and see which ones they play live! With no Jeff Beck interminable interludes.

...then the speculation about all the recordings that WEREN'T on the album. I'm especially to curious to hear about more songs pegged for the life suite... and about the inevitable Al Jardine stuff that wasn't included. He's gonna talk about Run, James, Run for the rest of his life if it isn't included! FREE AL JARDINE!

[Nicko1234]

See, Nicko, it wouldn't be up to YOU to decide if your posts were off-topic, tho. Some people would come to different conclusions and you'd find many of your thoughtful, not nitpicking at all posts zapped if that were the moderating style. They would join mine in the recycle bin!

2 more positives that I hadn`t thought of. 

[ontor pertawst]

Yeah! It would make the place a lot more pleasant. We could cut out the middleman and just stop posting to help the board heal and move forward. You first! I insist.

[Nicko1234]

So, I think that Brian and Co. have been very smart in their handling of things lately. Sharing info about the album with the fanbase to build hype, bringing in some big-name people to attract more attention and get some sales from disparate fan bases, freshening up the live show with new faces and new songs, and presumably syncing up their planned releases. The "God Only Knows" single was a great move, too - it's raising his profile in the public eye and will maybe inspire some people to check out the original. They may not have always seemed to make the best choices in the past, but love or hate their methods, I think they're doing a good job currently and Brian is probably the biggest he's been since 2004.

Generally speaking, I would say that Brian`s management have done a fine job with his solo career for many a long year.

Yes, there have been mistakes (eg. GIOMH) but there have also been numerous highs. There have been plenty of unexpected touring achievements obviously and Brian has also worked steadily in the studio, with a fair amount of success, despite only writing one full new solo album since 1998.

His management deserve a lot of credit for that and the present period is no different.

[Nicko1234]

Yeah! It would make the place a lot more pleasant. We could cut out the middleman and just stop posting to help the board heal and move forward. You first! I insist.

You seem to love replying to my posts so I couldn`t possibly force you to live with the deprivation.

[rab2591]

He's gonna talk about Run, James, Run for the rest of his life if it isn't included! FREE AL JARDINE!

Perhaps they're going to save the track for a possible Beach Boys Pet Sounds reunion release in two years. Hey, I can dream, right?