Brian's Stock Continues To Rise

[CenturyDeprived]

I was trying to figure out how to try moving this whole thing forward, getting back to the first post's message, which was a positive one for the events surrounding Brian Wilson in 2014. I'm not sure how to encourage that, to be honest. But I need to get this off my chest, for better or worse before leaving this behind.

This is specifically to the poster "job": This could have been a case-closed deal back on page one. I wasn't nasty, I was not confrontational, I suggested that you take a mea culpa in light of the follow-ups to the posts that started all this, which could have been as simple as suggesting it was a misunderstanding, it was taken the wrong way, I didn't mean it that way, I didn't know, no hard feelings, whatever the case.

Not only did that not happen, but my suggestion to you was answered with more negatives, more challenges, and it escalated into 3 more pages of it. Pages full of hostility and bad feelings. Not cool at all.

My own fault here was mentioning the download/PM request issues. I *should have* separated that issue from me talking in the thread and put it separately as a board issue, which is what it is. *I* did not see the original exchange...I and the other moderators do not see or read everything as its posted, sometimes until we're made aware. But if something is brought up that could be a problem for the board in general, it gets addressed. This issue in particular is perhaps more of an issue now than it was in years past, so if it comes up, it will be addressed and clarified. The position is clear, and everyone needs to be clear on it. So that was my bad by not separating that issue from everything else.


Here's the point: Again, it doesn't have to be anything beyond just reaching out and saying "it was a misunderstanding", or anything along those lines. To keep pushing the issue, and pushing it even more to the point where the term "minions" is used which is a total swipe at a lot of people who don't deserve it, not to mention an escalating conflict situation that got worse and got personal to the point where good people were dragged through the muck for no reason...


...just consider a few words posted to page one could have helped avoid some of the negativity and bad feelings that followed. Instead, the suggestion to do that was met with more venom, "get over yourselves", all of that. I don't think that's the way most posters here would like to see this forum, and I know I'd rather not see it again.

A few words now would help move things forward as well, but that's an individual choice. I get into squabbles, disagreements, mud-slinging, all of it myself admittedly too often. But when I do cross the line, when I'm wrong, I try to reach out and either apologize or at least make things right where applicable. That's not saying I can't and don't hold and argue very strong opinions, but if I'm wrong and am proven wrong I'll fess up and admit it here. Mea culpa.

Or, I'll simply walk away from it, which perhaps could have also prevented all of this.

I want the honored guests, friends of the band, associates, historians, anyone and everyone to feel welcome here, to post and share here, and also to feel like a certain basic level of respect will be the order of the day. Is that asking for a consensus of agreement, or anything close to that? No, but that level of respect and admitting when someone may have been wrong or went too far in a discussion carries a lot of weight for everyone, honored guests included.

If some would want the board to be known for the kind of negativity that was said and done in this thread and directed to people who didn't deserve it, feel free to ignore all of that. But I'd rather have more "honored guests" considered friends of the board and its membership, who wouldn't hesitate to log on and chat with us fans. Simple as that.

Very good post, and to sum it up, it's ultimately down a basic level of acting maturely to each other.

[Mikie]

Hey, How about them Cardinals?

Hey, how about them Giants?

[Ron]

Since around the release of Imagination (and even guest vocal spots beforehand) Brian has been in demand, more so than his old band.

The prestigious shows, the documentaries, the record deals, the tribute shows and now more recently being on McCartney's tribute album.  Then there's also being at the George Harrison Tribute show, the Hollywood film, the new album in the pipeline and now having his song chosen as a charity single featuring many many current and contemporary artists. 

It's wonderful seeing Brian's solo career continue to flourish in a way few of us could have imagined 20 years ago.  The guy is a legend and is outdoing his old band at every turn and has been for a while.  I imagine Mr Brian Douglas Wilson will have a sense of satisfaction when he thinks about it.  And Melinda and the rest of 'team' Wilson will also have wry smiles considering the criticism they've taken over the years regarding career decisions.  I'd say they've got it all spot on and Brian's legacy is safe and secure.  Thank you Brian!

I agree with all of that, except for your incessant need to insult the Beach Boys. 

[Jim V.]

Since around the release of Imagination (and even guest vocal spots beforehand) Brian has been in demand, more so than his old band.

The prestigious shows, the documentaries, the record deals, the tribute shows and now more recently being on McCartney's tribute album.  Then there's also being at the George Harrison Tribute show, the Hollywood film, the new album in the pipeline and now having his song chosen as a charity single featuring many many current and contemporary artists. 

It's wonderful seeing Brian's solo career continue to flourish in a way few of us could have imagined 20 years ago.  The guy is a legend and is outdoing his old band at every turn and has been for a while.  I imagine Mr Brian Douglas Wilson will have a sense of satisfaction when he thinks about it.  And Melinda and the rest of 'team' Wilson will also have wry smiles considering the criticism they've taken over the years regarding career decisions.  I'd say they've got it all spot on and Brian's legacy is safe and secure.  Thank you Brian!

I agree with all of that, except for your incessant need to insult the Beach Boys. 

Sorry, but whereas this "incessant need" that you see? I see him mentioning obvious things. Brian has outdone what "The Beach Boys" have done since 1998. Recording-wise he surely has, as the group "The Beach Boys" hasn't recorded anything without him in this time period. Also, he did outdo them in the live show department with his Pet Sounds and SMiLE live tours, amongst others. And wouldn't you know it, after he raised the bar, the Mike and Bruce show also upped their game, putting on some of their most varied shows. And one would have to imagine that Mike dug deeper and did deeper material because of what Brian was doing. Sure seems like it to me, as he showed little to no interest in doing much in the way of deep cuts pre-2004 (or at the very least, not many...maybe an "All This Is That" here, or maybe a "Sail On, Sailor" there). So yeah, Brian outdid "The Beach Boys".

Is he now? Well touring-wise, there's not much competition. Mike's out there, he ain't for the most part. On the other hand, BRIAN WILSON is out there with the new "God Only Knows" BBC thing, whereas maybe it could've been a BEACH BOYS thing if Mike hadn't decided to end what Brian and Al wanted to continue. And recording-wise, well there's no competition. Even if Brian's album is bad, at least he has the guts to release it. Mike on the other hand, has had a solid, workmanlike album done since when, the BWPS era, which he's apparently afraid to release. So yeah. I want Mike to prove me wrong and make some moves. But as of now, he's just being risk-averse old Mike. Which yes, keeps things on an even keel, but at the same time makes for less highs.

[Summer_Days]

Hey, How about them Cardinals?

Hey, how about them Giants?

Hey, how about them Rockies?

Oh wait, they suck. *sigh*

[pmugghc]

I think we have a lot to thank Melinda for.  Brian seems happy with his life. 

Ray, would I be right in saying you were with Melinda at the Wembley C50 show?  I think I remember Brian making a dedication to you, and he is always happy when he spots Melinda during the shows.

Yes; I was sitting next to her ....Wembley and RAH were the two best shows of the entire C50 tour.  The Beach Boys went out on a high note . They were the two best Beach Boys Concerts I had seen since Carnagie Hall , February 1971.  Hands down.

Is there any chance the Wembley or RAH show could get released on a CD/DVD?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Great post guitarfool!

I guess respect for distinguished guests is far too complex a concept for some here to handle. There is nothing wrong with questioning these insiders, there's something wrong when you question them in a prickish way.

We're incredibly lucky that insiders like Ray want to post here, so let's try leave the petulant "get over yourself" comments off the board...m'kay?

I asked questions.  Ray and his minions here answered them in a prickish way.  I didn't even state an opinion until I got disrespectful responses from that "honoured guest" and his minions.  You and Mikie should really go back and read chronologically.

If this is the level of respect, or lack thereof, that "honoured guests" give us commoners who worship them and spend our money on them, then who needs them?

M'kay?

Reading your recent posts, strikes me you've forfeited any right to respect here by your aggressive, and incidentally inaccurate, postings. Of all who post here, Ray knows, because he was there. Of course, he has his own point of view - don't we all ? - but if he says something is so, it is SO. He has no minions, and certainly isn't Melinda's lapdog/mouthpiece.

My suggestion to making this forum a better place is your absence.

[bgas]

Great post guitarfool!

I guess respect for distinguished guests is far too complex a concept for some here to handle. There is nothing wrong with questioning these insiders, there's something wrong when you question them in a prickish way.

We're incredibly lucky that insiders like Ray want to post here, so let's try leave the petulant "get over yourself" comments off the board...m'kay?

I asked questions.  Ray and his minions here answered them in a prickish way.  I didn't even state an opinion until I got disrespectful responses from that "honoured guest" and his minions.  You and Mikie should really go back and read chronologically.

If this is the level of respect, or lack thereof, that "honoured guests" give us commoners who worship them and spend our money on them, then who needs them?

M'kay?

Reading your recent posts, strikes me you've forfeited any right to respect here by your aggressive, and incidentally inaccurate, postings. Of all who post here, Ray knows, because he was there. Of course, he has his own point of view - don't we all ? - but if he says something is so, it is SO. He has no minions, and certainly isn't Melinda's lapdog/mouthpiece.

My suggestion to making this forum a better place is your absence.

I'll be one of Ray's minions if it means spending time with BRian

[Wirestone]

I think we have a lot to thank Melinda for.  Brian seems happy with his life. 

Ray, would I be right in saying you were with Melinda at the Wembley C50 show?  I think I remember Brian making a dedication to you, and he is always happy when he spots Melinda during the shows.

Yes; I was sitting next to her ....Wembley and RAH were the two best shows of the entire C50 tour.  The Beach Boys went out on a high note . They were the two best Beach Boys Concerts I had seen since Carnagie Hall , February 1971.  Hands down.

Is there any chance the Wembley or RAH show could get released on a CD/DVD?

It is my understanding that the show wasn't professionally filmed.

[bgas]

I think we have a lot to thank Melinda for.  Brian seems happy with his life. 

Ray, would I be right in saying you were with Melinda at the Wembley C50 show?  I think I remember Brian making a dedication to you, and he is always happy when he spots Melinda during the shows.

Yes; I was sitting next to her ....Wembley and RAH were the two best shows of the entire C50 tour.  The Beach Boys went out on a high note . They were the two best Beach Boys Concerts I had seen since Carnagie Hall , February 1971.  Hands down.

Is there any chance the Wembley or RAH show could get released on a CD/DVD?

It is my understanding that the show wasn't professionally filmed.

Which doesn't mean they can't still be released, only that it won't be " artist sourced".
There's always a chance someone recorded them and might release it

[The Shift]

Blimey there must have been a thousand GoPro-type cameras dotted around the stage at the RAH! They surely captured something at least…

[bgas]

Blimey there must have been a thousand GoPro-type cameras dotted around the stage at the RAH! They surely captured something at least…

Figuring you got all of their names/infos, are you planning to edit them into a complete CD/DVD?

[Mikie]

I think we have a lot to thank Melinda for.  Brian seems happy with his life. 

Ray, would I be right in saying you were with Melinda at the Wembley C50 show?  I think I remember Brian making a dedication to you, and he is always happy when he spots Melinda during the shows.

Yes; I was sitting next to her ....Wembley and RAH were the two best shows of the entire C50 tour.  The Beach Boys went out on a high note . They were the two best Beach Boys Concerts I had seen since Carnagie Hall , February 1971.  Hands down.

Is there any chance the Wembley or RAH show could get released on a CD/DVD?

It is my understanding that the show wasn't professionally filmed.

If that's true, it would be most unfortunate. We have the audio, but I'm sure the video is/would be fantastic.

Hey, at least we have Japan.  They should formally release that one on DVD.

[bgas]

I think we have a lot to thank Melinda for.  Brian seems happy with his life. 

Ray, would I be right in saying you were with Melinda at the Wembley C50 show?  I think I remember Brian making a dedication to you, and he is always happy when he spots Melinda during the shows.

Yes; I was sitting next to her ....Wembley and RAH were the two best shows of the entire C50 tour.  The Beach Boys went out on a high note . They were the two best Beach Boys Concerts I had seen since Carnagie Hall , February 1971.  Hands down.

Is there any chance the Wembley or RAH show could get released on a CD/DVD?

It is my understanding that the show wasn't professionally filmed.

If that's true, it would be most unfortunate. We have the audio, but I'm sure the video is/would be fantastic.

Hey, at least we have Japan.  They should formally release that one on DVD.

ah yes, the famous, " we'll always have Japan..."

[job]

Great post guitarfool!

I guess respect for distinguished guests is far too complex a concept for some here to handle. There is nothing wrong with questioning these insiders, there's something wrong when you question them in a prickish way.

We're incredibly lucky that insiders like Ray want to post here, so let's try leave the petulant "get over yourself" comments off the board...m'kay?

I asked questions.  Ray and his minions here answered them in a prickish way.  I didn't even state an opinion until I got disrespectful responses from that "honoured guest" and his minions.  You and Mikie should really go back and read chronologically.

If this is the level of respect, or lack thereof, that "honoured guests" give us commoners who worship them and spend our money on them, then who needs them?

M'kay?

Reading your recent posts, strikes me you've forfeited any right to respect here by your aggressive, and incidentally inaccurate, postings. Of all who post here, Ray knows, because he was there. Of course, he has his own point of view - don't we all ? - but if he says something is so, it is SO. He has no minions, and certainly isn't Melinda's lapdog/mouthpiece.

My suggestion to making this forum a better place is your absence.

This from the Cliff Claven of the board.  LOL.

[alf wiedersehen]

That is a solid Cheers reference.
I respect that.

[Wirestone]

There were tiny cameras onstage (for reference / venue video screens?), but there wasn't a professional HD rig. So you could release something, but it would have a lot of image distortion.

[Debbie Keil-Leavitt]

And thus speaks "Woody?"

[The Shift]

Blimey there must have been a thousand GoPro-type cameras dotted around the stage at the RAH! They surely captured something at least…

Figuring you got all of their names/infos, are you planning to edit them into a complete CD/DVD?

Dotted around the stage - not the audience. There were other, more capable cameras being wielded around on stage too, if memory serves. Assume the audio would have been professionally recorded also, if they were going to all that effort with the visuals.

[ontor pertawst]

Somebody send me all the recordings and I'll cut it together over a long weekend. Lazy so and sos!

[rab2591]

And thus speaks "Woody?"

Cheers to that

[Mikie]

Norm!!

[job]

And thus speaks "Woody?"

Touche!

[guitarfool2002]

Great post guitarfool!

I guess respect for distinguished guests is far too complex a concept for some here to handle. There is nothing wrong with questioning these insiders, there's something wrong when you question them in a prickish way.

We're incredibly lucky that insiders like Ray want to post here, so let's try leave the petulant "get over yourself" comments off the board...m'kay?

I asked questions.  Ray and his minions here answered them in a prickish way.  I didn't even state an opinion until I got disrespectful responses from that "honoured guest" and his minions.  You and Mikie should really go back and read chronologically.

If this is the level of respect, or lack thereof, that "honoured guests" give us commoners who worship them and spend our money on them, then who needs them?

M'kay?

Reading your recent posts, strikes me you've forfeited any right to respect here by your aggressive, and incidentally inaccurate, postings. Of all who post here, Ray knows, because he was there. Of course, he has his own point of view - don't we all ? - but if he says something is so, it is SO. He has no minions, and certainly isn't Melinda's lapdog/mouthpiece.

My suggestion to making this forum a better place is your absence.

This from the Cliff Claven of the board.  LOL.

In light of everything that has happened in this thread, in light of you being given several opportunities to at least reach out and say something nice or give a virtual handshake to the folks here and say "I may have been out of line, I want things to be cool" even if it's not a direct apology, this joke is the result of all of that? Back on page one you never even answered the question how many shows you saw! Suppose you had simply said "I saw them in (blank) city, and they were terrific, I liked this, didn;t like that, etc..." In other words, turn it into a conversation instead of hostility and defensiveness. Or simply say, I misunderstood, I didn't know, etc. And *move forward* with respect all around.

That choice has been offered several times since then, I count *2* at least from me, board members who are good people have been upset or angered by this, and yet...nothing.

The classy way, the respectful way to have approached this was in my opinion to at least offer some kind of a admission that things said may have gone too far, too personal, etc. People are responding as they have been because Ray is a good friend of the board, one of the best, and we really, really like to have him here as a friend. Andrew is a friend of the board as well, and he's rightfully pissed off for the reasons he posted, what was said was out of line and not what the board is or should be about. That lack of respect and lack of "fessing up" is not how things should be.

My patience here has run out. People do not want to have this kind of stuff on the board, period. It could all be solved with a simple admission that things got out of hand, maybe even an apology direct or indirect. But consider the last chance has already passed. Officially, it ends here.

[guitarfool2002]

And I apologize in general to the readers checking in to this thread to read about Brian Wilson, for bringing that back into the thread, but I'm angry and upset by this. I'm not going to watch as friends to many of us and friends of the board in general go through this with no sense that the situation was magically made right and we can just move forward. There has to be something more concrete offered than this to move forward. Let me say again, this is not what the board is, and it can be (and is) much better than the last pages of this thread may suggest.