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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If you could go any Beach Boy concert in history on: Yesterday at 08:48:48 AM
I would say early '72, when Bruce, Blondie, and Ricky were all in the band...Daryl and Toni...and Dennis sometimes playing keyboards. Just to see who played bass on which songs would be worth it! Smiley

2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villians early version on: October 17, 2019, 08:28:45 AM

The booklet uses an ingenious (if I do say so myself) color-coding method, whereby all the recording info (take numbers, dates, locations, engineer names) are in green, while vocals & singer credits are blue, instrumentation & musician credits are purple, and titles are sepia. Recording credits pertaining to several pieces recorded on the same date are listed after ALL pieces recorded that day. Sorry for any confusion!


It's a good system, my bad!

By the way, is there info definitively suggesting all of the Jan 27 parts were tracked on that day? I'm wondering if there's any chance they could've actually been staggered accross that date and the subsequent mystery sessions, or at least maybe CWR/Whistle Bridge one session and Cantina/All Day another.

Anything's possible. Those parts are all on a reel dated 1/27. The only other documentation for that reel is the AFM sheet dated 2/27 indicating Tommy Tedesco's mandolin parts on the "Cantina" section were overdubbed that day, and Capitol Session worksheets indicating vocals were added that day (meaning, 2/27).
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villians early version on: October 16, 2019, 10:58:24 PM
All Day 'track and vocals recorded at Columbia'... etc - booklet track17 CD 2 notes

I didn't know it was demoed in December..?

Presumably it was a pastoral type section..?

There were no vocals so that's a typo.

The two 'Da Da' fragments were on the same 8-track reel as the DYLW vocals, presumably from the same Dec 21 session.

Not a typo, actually...just a misinterpretation of the information. The mention of vocals pertains to the other parts recorded that day. The proper way to read the entry is thus:

Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67
13. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised
Lead vocal: Brian / Backing vocals: Brian, Dennis, Carl, Mike, Al, Bruce
Thigh slap: Brian Wilson
"Brillo pad" percussion: Dennis Wilson
Tack piano: Brian Wilson (o/d)
Control room comments: Steve Korthof
      Master is Take 8   
14. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 (Cantina track)
Tack piano: Brian Wilson
Control room comments: Steve Korthof
15. Heroes And Villains: Whistling Bridge
Vocals: Carl, Brian, Dennis, Mike
Whistling: Brian, Dennis & Carl ?
Control room comments: Al Jardine (switched places in the booth with Brian before the first official take)
      Master is Take 12
16. Heroes And Villains session: Cantina session & master take
Lead vocals: Brian with Mike / Laughter & Backing vocals: Brian, Dennis, Carl, Mike, Al, Bruce
"You're under arrest!" voice: Gene Gaddy
Tack piano: Brian Wilson
Mandolins: Tommy Tedesco (o/ds A & B)
      Master is Revised Version Take 17
17. Heroes And Villains: All Day
Piano (w/strings taped) : Brian Wilson
      Master is Take 20 (of 28)
      Track & Vocals recorded at Columbia Studio A, Friday January 27, 1967, 6:00pm-12:00am
      Engineer: Jerry Hochman, 2nd engineer: Don (aka D.T. ?)
      Vocals & Overdubs A & B on Track 16 recorded at Columbia Studio A, Tuesday February 7, 1967, 6:00pm-11:30pm
      Engineer: unknown
      Master # 57020 / Recorded on 1" 8-track tape
18. Heroes And Villains: Verse Edit Experiment
      Mixed & Edited Friday January 27, 1967 on 1/4" mono tape

The booklet uses an ingenious (if I do say so myself) color-coding method, whereby all the recording info (take numbers, dates, locations, engineer names) are in green, while vocals & singer credits are blue, instrumentation & musician credits are purple, and titles are sepia. Recording credits pertaining to several pieces recorded on the same date are listed after ALL pieces recorded that day. Sorry for any confusion!
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any photos of So Tough full lineup? Carl, Al,Brian,Dennis, Ricky,Blondie, Mike? on: October 10, 2019, 07:13:57 AM
The last black and white photo is from the 1970 tour when Blondie and Ricky were still in the flame-and Bruce has a moustache

Yeah, the picture in the Leaf book is from early '72. Also, there are black & white shots from Gran Gala Du Disque in early '72, with Bruce, Blondie, and Ricky, plus Billy.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: October 10, 2019, 07:11:34 AM
Also interesting that in both pics, Toni is just standing there!
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: October 10, 2019, 07:09:26 AM

This song looks to be "Heroes And Villains". You can see Daryl bent over at the vibes, and what seems to be a roll of tape resting on them! Interestingly, they opened that show with "Marcella". Also, they played both "Only With You" (just recorded in Holland, but not yet released), and "Cuddle Up" (with the Philharmonic, in the second half).
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: October 10, 2019, 07:01:39 AM
It's Boston, August '72. Billy is playing bass (in the background, second from the left), as he did on that one tour, and Charles Lloyd is there shaking maracas (he wasn't touring with them yet, but guested at that Boston show - oddly, only shaking things, not blowing, as Mike said he didn't bring any of his plumbing). Daryl and Toni were there, and the Boys were joined by the Boston Philharmonic for the second set. Audio is out there. I'm thinking maybe the film camera guy was from the local news station?
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any photos of So Tough full lineup? Carl, Al,Brian,Dennis, Ricky,Blondie, Mike? on: October 09, 2019, 07:28:44 AM
<< Now there is indeed a photo of Carl, Dennis, Mike, Al, Bruce, Blondie and Ricky somewhere. All of them on a long sofa or something. It's in one of the books I have somewhere on The Beach Boys, but I haven't any idea which one it'd be in. >>

It's in the David Leaf book.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018/2019 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour (& Other Dates) on: September 28, 2019, 09:29:14 AM
I remember a few years ago when my wife and I were in Big Sur for vacation we found a signed copy of Postcards at one of the Big Sur retail stores. There was a whole bunch of them probably about a mile or two from Al's house. I had had two other copies but figured I'd buy a signed copy anyway, I think waves of love was on it as a bonus track too

My wife and I had our honeymoon in Big Sur, 2010 - just ONE WEEK before Al's Postcard performance at the local library - the one with his full band, professionally videotaped but unreleased. I'm still bummed that we hadn't scheduled our trip for a week later instead!
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: For Mr. Desper - Clavinet Question on: September 23, 2019, 09:36:01 AM
Hi Stephen - in addition to the Rock-si-Chord, the Bellagio studio was graced with the presence of a Hohner Clavinet, used on such Sunflower-era recordings as "Susie Cincinnati" and "Good Time", as well as several cuts on the Friends album a few years prior. The most popular model of the Clavinet was the D6, but since that didn't come along until 1971, I'm wondering which model or models might have been utilized by the Boys in the '68-'70 era...the most likely being one of the following...and I'm hoping you might remember, based on their pretty distinctive appearances:

model L:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rVx0wqXmec


or model C:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s55cKNmkshk


COMMENT to c-man:  Model C -- recorded directly using a Jensen Transformer direct box.  ~swd

Thanks, Stephen!
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2fer Linear Notes on: September 22, 2019, 02:04:19 PM
Is it "liner" notes, like an ocean liner, or a garbage can liner, or "linear" as in linear thought?

"Liner", as in notes that grace the inner sleeve or jacket liner of an album. The term has transferred over to the CD age, and now applies to booklet notes.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Aumm... on: September 22, 2019, 08:46:03 AM
It's long been understood to be a meditation/doowop hybrid. Understood by me, at least. And rock writers such as Ken Barnes, who mentioned it back in the '70s.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / For Mr. Desper - Clavinet Question on: September 17, 2019, 05:35:17 PM
Hi Stephen - in addition to the Rock-si-Chord, the Bellagio studio was graced with the presence of a Hohner Clavinet, used on such Sunflower-era recordings as "Susie Cincinnati" and "Good Time", as well as several cuts on the Friends album a few years prior. The most popular model of the Clavinet was the D6, but since that didn't come along until 1971, I'm wondering which model or models might have been utilized by the Boys in the '68-'70 era...the most likely being one of the following...and I'm hoping you might remember, based on their pretty distincitve appearances:

model L:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rVx0wqXmec


or model C:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s55cKNmkshk
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: September 16, 2019, 08:47:06 AM
I probably have more information on this but haven’t had time to look in my files-obviously a strange time in the band with Carl gone and Brian called upon to take a larger vocal role-which he really wasn’t up to at the time. Add to that the continual tension between teetotaler mike and out of control Dennis and you have a combustible stew

That two-song appearance on the National Cheerleader show is probably the only video in existence of the band where Dennis is the only Wilson present. 
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: September 16, 2019, 02:27:20 AM
Maury povitch aired that day but was probably taped earlier. I think they played more songs


Ok, thank you! So that was something different to this.




That performance of "BTTYS" is definitely from the National Cheerleading Competition show - I saw the original broadcast and remember it well. The hosts were (then couple) Victoria Principal and Andy Gibb. The Boys also performed "Surfin' U.S.A." during the closing credits roll.

Thanks! Do you know if that was directly after BTTYS or later? At the end of the video they are still on "stage".



There was definitely tension that day. Watch carefully and you can see Dennis send a drumstick flying and it hits Mike in the leg.


Dennis broke sticks constantly because of his playing style. I don't think he threw it at Mike's direction consciously. On the other hand, Dennis DID try to push his drum kit onto Mike once.. so who knows...

The Beach Boys performance was split into two segments, one in the middle and one at the end. Most likely though they were taped back-to-back and then split during editing.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: September 15, 2019, 04:34:59 PM
That performance of "BTTYS" is definitely from the National Cheerleading Competition show - I saw the original broadcast and remember it well. The hosts were (then couple) Victoria Principal and Andy Gibb. The Boys also performed "Surfin' U.S.A." during the closing credits roll.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Aug. 8th 1980 - \ on: September 12, 2019, 11:58:09 PM
This from Jon Stebbins:
"Al has stated that Dennis was the guy who helped him get the arrangement together on Lady Lynda when he was recording it...Dennis' help was crucial to that arrangement and the vocal harmonies is what he said."

In another interview, Al mentioned how Dennis brought in the harpsichord player...which was Sterling Smith, whose band The Load Dennis had taken under his wing and used on some Bambu tracks, plus Sterling toured with the BBs for a time, of course (early '78-early '79).
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: September 08, 2019, 08:37:59 AM
Here's a review of the Phoenix show...my brother and his daughter attended, and said it was all-in-all great:


https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/music/2019/09/07/brian-wilson-zombies-do-their-legends-proud-something-great-68-tour-phoenix/2245682001/
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: September 05, 2019, 10:10:37 AM
It's interesting to watch Mike's band balloon in size considering his stated aversion to a larger band during C50. He noted there were too many members on stage competing for parts. This from the guy who now has three keyboardists on stage (and/or three guitarists) in addition to a non-vocalist bassist and a sax player. Plus Stamos when he shows up.

Well, to be fair, Mike's band has only grown from 7 (including 2 principals) to 9. The C50 tour started with 15 guys (down to 14 when Nicky had to drop out), including 5 principals. Plus, I'm sure Mike's backline crew is still smaller than Brian's. And, as stated, Mike's band usually plays with rented gear, so right there you save a ton on transportation costs. All said, I doubt Mike's touring expenses come anywhere near Brian's, even now with the addition of two more band members.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: September 05, 2019, 08:12:52 AM
Wow, that is a bit confusing. So now Bonfilgio is out and they have some other random guy, now on keyboards? They need three keyboardists? I always thought Totten could do a resonable falsetto.

If Bonfiglio is out to go back to Brian's band, it's weird they had Kirsch in just for two gigs with Brian? Not to mention, why wouldn't Mike just have Randell Kirsch come back and sub in again in *his* band? I guess I would normally wonder if that would be awkward if the speculation/indications were correct that Kirsch got elbowed out of the band to make room for Eichenberger back in 2015. But I recall that when Eichenberger left again a year or two after that, they had Kirsch back for at least a few gigs until they got a new bass player (which I think is still that Hubacher guy).

It's weird how Mike is now choosing to balloon his band more. It appears Hubacher rarely if ever sings, so I wonder why a couple years ago Mike chose to replace Eichenberger (who sang and played bass) with *two* members, one who sings (Christian Love) and one who doesn't (Hubacher)

For the life of me I couldn't figure out who was on the keyboards at the Puyallup show 9/2 (to Mike's direct left, with Bruce being at Mike's direct right). After some digging I figured out it was Matthew Jordan (https://matthewjordan.com/). Sounds like he did some shows with them in August, in place of Bonfiglio. Not sure if Bonfiglio is returning or if Jordan is filling in until someone else returns (Eichenberger?)
Thank you for the link. I am officially a fan of this guy now. I thought his falsetto leads were excellent.

Matt Jordan is scheduled to appear with M&B the next couple of months until Ike's return.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: September 04, 2019, 09:42:00 AM
As it appears Rob Bonfiglio is the main new addition to the band (with Kirsch filling in for him while he does more gigs with Mike's band), I have to wonder if Bonfiglio is the first person to (arguably) simultaneously be in both Brian and Mike's bands.

There has obviously been some back and forth over the years (Foskett, Eichenberger, now Kirsch), but I have to imagine Bonfiglio is probably the first person to moonlight in both bands at least for a short overlapping period, depending on whether he does any Mike gigs again after he does some Brian gigs.

For that matter, who else has, at any time, played in both bands besides the four mentioned above? I want to say Gary Griffin may have sat in at some point with Mike's band post-1998. I guess technically Matt Jardine would also qualify, as he did a few gigs with Mike's band in 1998 after Al was gone.

I think Matt Jardine and Randell Kirsch are likely the only musicians who have played at some point with Mike's, Brian's, and Al's bands. (I don't know if Bonfiglio has ever done a gig with Al solo; it's possible; I know both Bonfiglio and Matt Jardine were at various points part of "Wilson Phillips" gigs). 

Gary was with the Mike & Bruce band when I saw them in April 2002. The following year, he was with Brian's band for some shows.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: September 04, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
A new BW “Yes!” interview here https://youtu.be/mdrYO6gQxJQ

Without actually saying a whole lot, Brian SOUNDS a whole lot better here than he has in a LONG time...upbeat, almost energetic!
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Time!!!!!!!!!!!! on: September 02, 2019, 07:52:37 AM
Billy was filling in for Darian off-and-on in 2016, but currently it's Darian and Gary on keyboards/vibes/glockenspiel.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: September 01, 2019, 02:34:45 PM
The thing about the Merv Griffin is that while they did "perform" , it was mined to the album cuts. So I personally wouldn't include it. I wish I could remember which songs were done! The one clip that is still on YouTube has Brian lip syncing to Good Vibrations, if I remember correctly. I remember that Al "played" an acoustic guitar to one of the songs. I think it was Lady Lynda.

They mimed to their then-current hit "Come Go With Me", along with "Lady Lynda" and apparently the recent hit "Beach Boys Medley" (I don't recall that part, but if Brian is seen lipping to "GV" from that show, then obviously so). When discussing the success of "Come Go With Me", Dennis humorously chastised a music-industry insider guest (I wanna say it was Kal Rudman, but am not certain) for previously saying the Beach Boys would never have another hit. The show was taped in December '81, prior to their departure for South Africa (their upcoming trip to which is mentioned in the course of the interview, but not much is said about it).
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: August 31, 2019, 08:06:13 AM
Great to see this again (these or similar clips were posted on the 'tube a couple of years back). Despite his less-than-perfect condition, it's still a joy to see Dennis bashing the drums at this point. He didn't start to look REALLY bad until the following year.
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