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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys studio disasters and screwups? on: Yesterday at 07:53:53 PM
Not to derail away from BB's studio mishaps...but I read years ago a studio story which I now cannot find anything to back it up. I swore it was U2's "Where The Streets Have No Name". Not the famous story about Eno almost wiping the tapes in frustration, but a story about how either the studio or the studio complex had caught fire, and an engineer actually risked his life to run back in and save the tapes.

Does this sound familiar to anyone else? I may have read it in something like Mix, Musician, or Pulse in the early 90's.

I seem to recall a Bill Wyman story about how he ran into the burning studio at Olympic to retrieve Jean Luc Goddard's raw footage of the "Sympathy For The Devil" sessions...
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys studio disasters and screwups? on: Yesterday at 06:24:01 PM
Not Beach Boys-related, but still "studio disasters and screwups" related - most of the multi-track for Steely Dan's song "The Second Arrangement" was accidentally erased by an assistant engineer, forcing Becker and Fagen to use a different song in its place on the Gaucho LP. Pretty legendary story (bootlegs of the song do circulate, apparently sourced from an earlier rough mix).

I was thinking about "The Second Arrangement" too! I'd vote that as perhaps the biggest or most infamous studio blunder in rock history, with added weight because of Becker and Fagen's OCD studio meticulousness.

Perhaps second to that is the story of "Rael" from the Who Sell Out sessions. Al Kooper (as he's known for doing) told the story since he was on that session in NY. They had finished up recording and left for the night. Someone left the reel of the day's sessions out on the console, they forgot to box it and put it away safely.

A member of the studio janitorial staff came in to clean up after hours, and for some reason threw the reel in the trash can. Then, proceeded to dump ashtrays, remnants of drinks, etc on top of it. When the engineer came in the next day, he had to tell Townshend what happened because the first part of the song had been ruined. He told Pete "Sometimes these things happen..."

Pete picked up the engineer's chair, threw it through the studio glass, shattering it, and said "Don't worry, sometimes these things happen..."

Wow...I guess it's a good thing Fagen just walked out without saying anything!
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys studio disasters and screwups? on: Yesterday at 05:25:46 PM
Not Beach Boys-related, but still "studio disasters and screwups" related - most of the multi-track for Steely Dan's song "The Second Arrangement" was accidentally erased by an assistant engineer, forcing Becker and Fagen to use a different song in its place on the Gaucho LP. Pretty legendary story (bootlegs of the song do circulate, apparently sourced from an earlier rough mix).

COMMENT to c-man:   Here's one you may not know.  It was a tracking session at GoldStar, Sunset, or Valentine OR one of the independent studios. Dennis was to provide the drumming, but arrived having had a little too much adult beverage in his blood and managed to trip over a mic stand near the drum kit. This propelled the mic boom arm to fall into the cymbal support, which knocked over the high-hat and this caused the snare to smash into the toms. No damage to the drums proper, but not a good thing to happen when you have all the drum mics open and the monitor up high to hear balances of the drums. So all of a sudden all hell broke loose with an atomic bomb level of sound emanating from the monitors in the control room. Unfortunately burning out one of the mid-range drivers of the monitor speakers. The boys covered the cost of the monitor fix, but the session was busted for the day until equipment repairs could be finished the following day.  ~swd

That almost sounds like something you'd see in a Chevy Chase routine!  Smiley
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys studio disasters and screwups? on: Yesterday at 12:34:40 PM
Not Beach Boys-related, but still "studio disasters and screwups" related - most of the multi-track for Steely Dan's song "The Second Arrangement" was accidentally erased by an assistant engineer, forcing Becker and Fagen to use a different song in its place on the Gaucho LP. Pretty legendary story (bootlegs of the song do circulate, apparently sourced from an earlier rough mix).
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Vocals on \ on: September 17, 2018, 05:09:05 AM
On the tag of the original mono version, it's Brian singing two parts and Bruce singing one, but one of Brian's vocals (the first one) was wiped from the multi-track at some point, so they had to use Carl's voice for that part on the stereo mix, and the first line he sings is way too soft (I think they might have fixed that for the Royal Philharmonic version by pasting in one of Carl's "stronger" lines). Not sure what you mean by Brian's attack in the verse - it's Carl who sings the verses. Unless you mean the bridge, which is sung by Bruce, Carl, and Brian (in that order). If you're referring to Brian's part there (which sounds like a part Mike would normally sing), if the attack seems different, it could be due to differences in limiter or compressor settings.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis on \ on: September 17, 2018, 05:03:58 AM
But the thing that really ties these songs together for me in relation to this conversation, is that for the longest time I had thought that Denny - and just Denny - was the one singing those beautiful "I try to rationalize..." bits on ITBOMM - that somehow he had just phrased them very sweetly, only to find out that Brian had in fact doubled them (at least I think that is the going consensus, that those parts are actually a blend of both Brian and Denny?)Ö In my view this was almost an attempt to trick the listener into thinking that it was Denny singing those lines.  And it almost seems to be similar to what happened here on IJWMFTT as well,  except this time instead of Brian shadowing Denny, Denny was shadowing Brian.

Not all that different from how Brian punched himself in to the very high parts on Good Vibrations, almost tricking the listener into thinking that it was Carl singing those parts.  Brian was really experimenting with vocal blending and audio trickery... It's like he left us all a puzzle.

That's Carl doubling Dennis on the bridge of "In The Back Of My Mind".
EDIT: likewise, Carl sings a lead line on Dennis' "Little Bird" ("What a day, what a day, oh what a beautiful day it is"). Took me years to realize that.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis on \ on: September 16, 2018, 09:14:59 AM
I really want to believe this theory, but I honestly can't hear it and a listen to the first lead vocal overdub of the song confirms (to me) that it's just Brian singing throughout.  Here is a remix of that track on the SOT set isolated as much as I could: https://soundcloud.com/smileyhoneyfriends-1/ijwmftt-lead-vocal


I hear what you're saying, and agree in terms of that first lead vocal overdub - and I'll point out that even on the next SOT track, where the second lead vocal overdub is added, it's not real obvious, either. But, I'll also point out that in that SOT mix where the second lead is added, the second lead seems to be less prominent level-wise, so you're still mostly hearing the first lead. After listening to those, I returned to the "vocals-only" mix from the Capitol box set and the DTS 5.1 mix, and to me, the final word of each line (especially the last syllable, but not necessarily "just" the last syllable) has Dennis' voice in there. So, perhaps Brian redid the entire "1st lead" but kept Denny's final word on each line from the "2nd lead", and it's just not as obvious on the SOT presentation, but way obvious on the official mixes.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Dennis on "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" on: September 14, 2018, 07:08:12 PM
Some of you may remember when this topic first came up, three years back...
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20776.50.html


Well, this evening I got around to listening to the DTS Digital 5.1 mix of Pet Sounds from the DVD-A for the first time. After that absolutely stunning mix of the album finished playing, I let the bonus tracks play out...including the a capella mix of "IJWMFTT", and I gotta tell ya...I'm more convinced then ever that remnants of Dennis' lost lead vocal remain, at the end of the verse lines. If you have that mix and the equipment to play it on (mine are a basic BluRay player and two Bose speakers plus subwoofer hooked up to my giant TV), listen to the end of the first two lines... the words "my mind", and especially "be-hind". The timbre is such that it's quite obviously two guys on those words, rather than one double-tracked - and the dominant voice, particularly on the second line's ending words "be-hind" is classic mid--'60s Dennis Wilson. Listen to the box set vocals-only mix through headphones, and you'll hear micro-second "breaks" prior to those syllables, where a tape machine was quite obviously turned off (as is also evident in the vocals-only mix of "Kiss Me Baby"). Which convinces me that when Brian laid down his vocals (erasing Dennis'), he had the engineer stop the tape before those last two syllables (at least on one track). When Brian doubled his lead, he probably sang with Dennis, so that the end result is a blend of both of them on those last two syllables of each verse line. Very clever, almost spooky, and definitely cool.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 14, 2018, 05:24:44 AM
Yes - if you haven't yet ordered, by all means DO so!  This book is nice and thick (hence the higher foreign postage rate), but jam-packed with lengthy quotes & reminisces from Dennis collaborators, band members (both Beach Boys and "Bamboo" - the name he apparently gave his own band for the ill-fated POB tour), record company suits, radio station PDs, friends, ex-wives, POB observers...of notable interest are the many, many thoughts and memories of the late Trisha Campo, who was an observer, and sometimes participant, at most of the POB recording sessions. Also, reproductions of lots of internal CBS memos, promo labels, studio track sheets, AFM contracts...my sessionongraphy...and more! OH, and Alan Boyd's detailed description of the fabled POB tour rehearsal tapes (to me, this alone is worth the price of admission!). A fascinating, must read, folks!  And a great cover, too! Smiley
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rock N Roll to the Rescue on: September 14, 2018, 05:10:20 AM

Side note: when I hear the term "stress test", I think of Scientology, although I'll assume this was not that.

I think it more likely involved a tread mill - not sure why that couldn't have been accomplished in Southern California, though...
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennisís Women on: September 14, 2018, 05:06:42 AM
Reading various things about this aspect of Dennis, he surely liked just about any girls/ women. Doesn't look choosy; ugly, beautiful, just nice-looking, pretty, cute - any girl could be to his liking, really.

Yes, Dennis even said as much once - I believe in Circus magazine. "Look, all women excite me for some dumb reason."

David Lee Roth (acknowledged fan of the BBs, and likely someone who considered Dennis as a role model) once said: "I don't get all the women I want, but I get all the women who want me." Seems this might also have been true in Dennis' case.  Wink
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rock N Roll to the Rescue on: September 13, 2018, 07:16:51 PM
The story I've read (from someone who allegedly asked Melcher) is that Brian and Terry started out coproducing the track, then Landy pulled Brian out mid-production to have a stress test in Hawaii. Melcher was pissed, and removed his name at that point.

I heard Brian relate that exact set of events in a radio interview maybe 20 years ago


Well...maybe THAT'S where I heard it, too! 
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rock N Roll to the Rescue on: September 13, 2018, 04:29:00 PM
The story I've read (from someone who allegedly asked Melcher) is that Brian and Terry started out coproducing the track, then Landy pulled Brian out mid-production to have a stress test in Hawaii. Melcher was pissed, and removed his name at that point.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennisís Women on: September 12, 2018, 03:34:40 PM
Unbelievable use of the song Pacific Ocean Blues in Season 2 of Goliath!  Can't find it right now, but pretty sure it's on YouTube

So great, Ed.

I wonder, what the earliest instance of a Denny song licensed in film/TV? Perhaps it was Forever on Full House? (Or was the original Sunflower version of that song ever heard on the show?)

And what was the 1st time any songs from POB were licensed in film/TV?

So great that these songs are finally getting out there via current media.

Can't say for sure if it was the first time for a POB song to be licensed in such a way, but remember that "River Song" turned up in "Marley and Me" a decade ago.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Recent thoughts on Jack Rieley by the Beach Boys? on: September 12, 2018, 03:32:48 PM
I don't think Mike's mi-remembering anything...David Leaf (while also mentioning that some of that era's audiences were great in terms of appreciating the newer material) reported the exact same thing in respect to some audiences, in his book back in '78, and even related that there were "some depressing nights when their cries for 'Help Me Rhonda' drowned out the applause for 'Caroline No'", and "On the nights when the rowdies disrupted the show, the band would shorten the program, leave out some of the slower songs, play the hits, and get out of town." (page 143 of the original edition). To the point of this thread, though, he goes on to write, "It was probably at Jack Riley's insistence that the program stayed in its long form".

 
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What is H.E.L.P.? on: September 10, 2018, 05:27:06 PM
H-ealth
thru
E-ducation
creates
L-ove
that manifests
P-peace

(from the comments in the above link)

The band quotes this reverse acronym in the background lyrics towards the end of the song (which I refer to as "The Enema Song", for obvious reasons...).

They really should have called it "The Enema Song" and released it as a single.

Yeah...THAT woulda helped their career when they needed it the most!  Smiley
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What is H.E.L.P.? on: September 10, 2018, 03:13:59 PM
H-ealth
thru
E-ducation
creates
L-ove
that manifests
P-peace

(from the comments in the above link)

The band quotes this reverse acronym in the background lyrics towards the end of the song (which I refer to as "The Enema Song", for obvious reasons...).
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Recent thoughts on Jack Rieley by the Beach Boys? on: September 10, 2018, 03:10:37 PM
I wonder if a version of the song with Brian singing still exists? Even if he only sang one or two lines before bailing, it would be interesting to hear.

It was a bit of an urban legend in past years on the internet that Brian had come out on stage at a show circa 1971 and performed "A Day in the Life of a Tree." The last I can remember, the most accurate version of what actually happened was that at one show, usually cited as Long Beach in December 1971, Jack Rieley came out and sang the song on stage, with reportedly Brian accompanying on organ.

I *still* have the Rusten/Stebbins "In Concert" book in a box out of reach, so that book probably provides the most definitive version of what's known.

Custom Machine (Rob) - you were there - care to comment?   Wink
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Early Vocal Arrangements Query on: September 09, 2018, 02:50:38 PM
Not sure what the above has to do with the topic of my post...I'm guessing it was intended for the topic on Jack Rieley below...mods, can it be moved?
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What is H.E.L.P.? on: September 09, 2018, 07:08:14 AM
Looks like there's now a Whole Foods Market on Fairfax and Third.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Early Vocal Arrangements Query on: September 08, 2018, 10:21:26 AM
For musical scholars - the question of who's singing which part on the early recordings has been examined in great detail on an earlier thread with the great Adam Marsland. But in terms of how many voices were utilized for various arrangements - it seems apparent that Brian typically utilized four-parts in the early days: the general formula was that on the fast songs, the verses would normally feature Mike on lead, singing in his tenor voice, with a three-part background (Brian on top, Dennis or Al in the middle, and Carl on the lowest of the three parts), and for the verses, Brian would sing the high falsetto hook line, supported by Dennis or Al and Carl, plus Mike, who dropped down to sing a bass part....and the slow ballads would typically feature Brian on a high lead (soaring into falsetto, as was his wont), with a tight three-part harmony blend from Al or Dennis, Carl, and Mike in the bass or low baritone range. By the time of the All Summer Long album, however, Brian was using FIVE-part vocal arrangements regularly, utilizing all the guys on practically every song, and from there he would expand into six or more parts occasionally, once Bruce came on the scene ("California Girls", "Sloop John B.", "Wouldn't It Be Nice", "Good Vibrations", etc.). 

However, I'm intrigued by the arrangements on two early (Hite Morgan) recordings, where in one case it seems to me that more than five voices may have been used, and another where I'm only hearing three:

LUAU
On this one, I think there might actually be MORE than five voices - Brian and Mike are in unison on the lead, while in the background I hear at least three voices chanting "luau", and one of them is a distorted, throaty bass voice which couldn't be Mike, because he's singing a unison lead with Brian, and probably isn't Dennis, since I don't think he could sing that deep at this early point (and there was no overdubbing here - the whole thing was "live" to mono) - my bet would be Val Poliuto (in fact, he claims he did sing a bass part on one song). I've considered different scenarios for this song, including one where maybe it is Mike singing the bass voice in the background, in which case it would be Dennis singing the unison lead with Brian - but the trouble with that is, Mike's unique tonality is apparent in that unison lead, whereas the bass voice in the background sounds a little more mature (and we know Val Poliuto is a few years older than the other guys). Dennis does sing the solo line "Girls will all hula, boys will all sing" - so perhaps he's also in on the unison lead with Brian and Mike? Or, perhaps that's the only part he sings on this one - I think it'd be kind of hard for him to move quickly from the background mic to the lead mic for that one line, and then back again. Even so, I still think there's at least three voices singing the background chant, and if Al and Carl are two of them, who is third (low) voice? Most likely Val?

LAVENDAR
Now, this sounds like a classic "Four Freshman"-style arrangement, but I can only pick out three voices for sure with my untrained ear...  Smiley ...and I doubt there's five...they rehearsed and made a recording of it with the Morgans prior to Al's return, and upon his return, he definitely played upright bass on the "master" takes recorded along with both sides of the first single...but he may not be singing on it, and I'm thinking Dennis isn't either, meaning the three parts would be Brian, Carl, and Mike...but does anyone hear a fourth voice in there?
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I just wanna know......... on: September 07, 2018, 11:22:38 PM
  Brian would have used the brim of the fire hat to cut into Mike's throat.  Grin "Love and fucking Mercy, motherfucker!".

LOL

He would've shown Love no mercy.
(that's terrible..... Wink)
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Glen Campbell interview 1965 on: September 03, 2018, 01:00:30 PM
So what kind of 12-string is that?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennisís Women on: September 03, 2018, 07:58:03 AM
Shes about ~10 years older than the BB, born in 1930....she would've been about 41 here, BB's wouldve been in early 30's here....


She would've been 14 years older than Dennis. The photo is from 1969 or 1970, so he would've been 26 at the most.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: what did Glen Campbell do on stage with the BB's? on: September 02, 2018, 03:44:45 PM
I am pretty positive the big shot of them in striped shirts is from the second Virginia Beach show on May 12 1965, the last tour with glen in the band. The January photo from the survey is in my book.

If so, this gets even more interesting, because it means that Carl was using the two 12-strings interchanably at that point...with the Fender XII making an onstage appearnce as late as May, even though his second Rick (with the rounded body and no binding) was used in use by early April. Maybe the Fender was kept as a backup, and something (like a string breaking) happened to the Rick prior to that Virignia Beach shot.
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