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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys /Santana/Joan Baez USSR '79: any leaks of video/recordings on: April 13, 2021, 05:30:50 AM

never heard about this show before- says they were planning a columbia album and movie...............wheres the tapes?

I remember this quite well, from reading about it at the time. The show never happened, as it was cancelled for some reason. But I believe The Beach Boys all had commemorative jackets made celebrating the concert, and were photographed wearing them.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Gear on: April 11, 2021, 12:12:00 PM
It's not a straight copy though. Look at that thing:

Are those Humbuckers? The head and obviously the rear body are very different to a Tele.

I'll be darned if the headstock doesn't look kinda like a Baldwin here!
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Gear on: April 09, 2021, 08:23:02 PM
So happens I've got a late '90s ESP Horizon, although not the Tele body-style. Headstock seems similar, but I can't tell enough from the blurry images here. If only Carl would hold still, especially for a close up...

I recall the Stones (or at least Ronnie) used ESPs quite a lot in the '80s, mostly Strat-style bodies, but the headstocks were different.

EDIT: Nah, the headstock on mine is pointier than what Carl's playing here.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Gear on: April 09, 2021, 05:23:51 AM
Posted this link in the Pro Shot Concerts List for more information of date and place, but what I just saw and wondered: What kind of guitar is Carl playing here? At first I thought it was a Tele but a closer shot put that to rest. I don't think I've ever seen him with this one:

Ca. 1992/1993

Some kind of off brand tele copy... 

Could be a custom-made job modeled off the Tele design - the Stones have used a lot of custom-made Tele, Strat, and Les Paul copies over the years.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stephen Desper's \ on: April 07, 2021, 06:06:55 AM
In these no gig/low income times I'm finally putting some records, books, collectibles up on eBay and am considering selling my copy of "Recording the Beach Boys" and the Spatializer....but I have no recollection of what I paid for it.  Does anyone remember what they went for and what a fair current price would be?

Pretty sure I paid $100 for mine, brand new from the source.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Don Randi on: April 07, 2021, 06:05:41 AM
It really depends. I have never heard Bill Pitman say anything positive about Brian's music; he seems to be dismissive of any and all pop music.

You're absolutely right.  I've seen interviews with Bill wherein he's said that it was all business for him.  He'd show up, play what they wanted and get the hell out.  He didn't even know what song Brian was working on and didn't care.   You see Bill all over the studio candid pics from the Smile sessions, sitting in the booth with Brian, playing next to Carl, playing next to Carol & Ray, etc. etc.   I believe that Bill has said that he had his people always take Brian's bookings, though, because they lasted so long and paid so well.    So, yes, Bill is a counter-example.  He IS the guy for whom a Pet Sounds/Smile-era session was just another ho-hum gig no different than scoring another peanut-butter commercial. He didn't find the music interesting then and still doesn't.  It was just a job and nothing more.   And that's okay too, and doesn't take anything away from Bill's enormous talent in any way.   Perhaps that level of detachment is part of what made Bill so good at his job?  Extremely talented people occasionally look at other people's works of staggering genius and see nothing special.  IIRC, Verdi thought that Beethoven's 9th symphony was mediocre at best.  Was Verdi wrong?  Most of his peers would disagree with him, but that doesn't take anything away from his own prodigious talent.   And aside from all that, Bill deserves a pass based on his age.   Making it to 101 is freaking awesome.

Damn, he's THAT old? Good for him. Yeah, in one in-depth interview from about twenty years ago, Bill dismissed Brian's music as simple four-chord stuff, very uninteresting in his opinion, but mentions the food that was catered in, and how they always ate great at Brian's sessions! The only pop session he spoke positively of in that interview was the one he did for Steely Dan; since he's not credited on any of their albums, I'm assuming the fruits of that remain unreleased. By the time of Aja, the Dan were notorious for cutting a song multiple times with different lineups until they got a version they were completely satisfied with.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Don Randi on: April 07, 2021, 05:59:45 AM
I had a heart attack and barfed when I read the title of this thread, thinking that Don had passed away...  Thank God he didn't!

Yeah, me too!
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: is Al Jardine on Surfin USA? on: March 29, 2021, 05:31:46 AM
Al had not yet rejoined the band when "Surfin' U.S.A." was cut, so it's definitely Dave on the record, and not Al. However, yes -  some of the tracks from the two later 1963 albums feature both of them.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Booth in Studio 3, Western Recorders on: March 18, 2021, 06:16:06 PM
Interesting tidbit: even though Mac "Dr. John" was a successful recording artist in his own right by the early '70s, recording in London for instance, he was apparently still doing quite a bit of session work in L.A., as he played in the Spector Wall Of Sound that backed John Lennon in his late '73 Rock 'N' Roll sessions. A year later, he guested on Ringo's Goodnight Vienna, but that may have been more due to their friendship than just a rank and file session job (Mac would continue to play with Ringo on record and onstage a few times over the years).
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your Favorite Mike Leads, Bass Vocals and Songwriting Credits? on: March 18, 2021, 06:10:32 PM
So many great Mike bass vocals from the late '60s and early '70s that you really only notice by focusing on them. "Soulful Old Man Sunshine" is one that comes to mind.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Johnston Records - What was the story ?? on: March 17, 2021, 05:52:05 AM
Just looking up Johnston Records on Discogs, the only other artist outside of Peter Noone/The Tremblers to have a release on the label was Susan Lynch - an album and a single. I've never heard of her - anyone familiar? I know Bruce was pretty good at keeping up to date with some new stuff that was surprising (High Llamas for example), but I wonder what compelled him to sign what sounds like fairly anonymous early 80s rock?

Yeah, I remember seeing this album in a local record store here in my relatively small Nebraska town around the time of that Bruce radio interview I mentioned. I checked out the back cover, so I knew it was released by his record label. Didn't buy it, though, for some reason. My bad! In the interview, Bruce mentioned that they had signed both Peter and "a girl singer", but he didn't mention her name.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Johnston Records - What was the story ?? on: March 14, 2021, 12:14:56 PM
Bruce spoke about this in a telephone interview with a local DJ in my hometown, June or July of '81. I have the interview somewhere, but not sure where, otherwise I'd give you the exact transcript of that part. But basically, he said he was looking to help Peter start a solo career, and help some new artists launch theirs. He mentioned "getting old", not in terms of being tired (as he put it), and wanting to look ahead to what he could do in the future within the music industry. In other words, I think he figured (like most of us did at the time), that the Beach Boys might have a few years of touring left at best, then the band would dissolve and they'd each do their own thing - this being his. As it turns out, he needn't have worried...
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Hour with Al, Mike, and Bruce in the Summer of '85 on: March 13, 2021, 08:13:26 AM
Yes, thanks for posting this! At the time, I too was a 22-year old Midwesterner, and saw them in at the Nebraska State Fair in Lincoln the 30th of August. Great seat, close to the revolving stage. Great to hear a good handful of songs from the then-current album performed live - the band was really good & full of energy that night!
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Easter Seals 1979: is that Dennis on piano???? on: March 12, 2021, 05:46:24 PM
Right, Sterling on piano. BTW, Dennis WAS still performing with the band in April of '79, although occasionally missing gigs, and in this case, a TV appearance. He was there for their hosting of the Midnight Special, filmed the same month. He was banned from the touring band for almost a year, though (with a couple of exceptions) starting that June.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who is on Spanish Kokomo? on: March 11, 2021, 06:42:15 PM
The big mystery is why was Brian permitted to participate in the Spanish version? It has been said that he wasn't allowed to be in the original single unless Landy was credited.

Once "Kokomo" hit No. 1, Landy's camp was scrambling to get Brian on the wagon, however possible. Hence, Brian singing along with the group on the chorus at the L.A. Coliseum that fall (as seen in "Full House"), and singing on the Spanish language version. Short of finding a time machine and sending him back to the recording session or video shoot for the original version, that was about all that could be done at that point...
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who is on Spanish Kokomo? on: March 10, 2021, 06:12:04 PM
Who is on Spanish Kokomo?

Just had a listen to this - it's really not one I listen to often. Unlike the regular version I don't hear Carl and I do hear Brian. Who else is on it?

I'm assuming J Foskett, Mike, Al & Bruce. But is there a definitive listing somewhere?

I guess the appearance of Brian is the only difference to the hit single. Carl is on it and sings the same parts as on the english version, though single tracked (or at least that's what it sounds to me).

Don't know if Terry Melcher sings on the spanish version, he does on the original though.

Terry sang on the demo for the English language version, as did Jeff. But per Bruce, their vocals were wiped - by Carl, who insisted that "only actual Beach Boys should be singing on this."
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What material we can expect from further archival releases on: March 08, 2021, 05:52:11 AM

Want to add the "I've Got A Friend" instrumental track to the list of (hopefully) likely candidates, one of the best unheard things out there. AND the supposedly magnificent rehearsals for the abortive DW POB solo tour.

One of my biggest regrets from visiting John Hanlon & Jon Stebbins in the studio for the mixing of Bambu was not having time to listen to the rehearsal tapes...  (Sadly, I do seem to recall that none of these recordings include DW vocals).  However, I was present for many of these rehearsals, (sometimes with Dennis, sometimes just wandering in to visit the band and listen by myself), and they were extraordinary!
The rehearsals took place in the back room of Brother, (in what was normally the room where the equipment was stored, and originally was rented to house the studio's return from the Netherlands), and I can't recall what format they were recorded on, (Jon, a little help here), but they were a portent of how monumental these shows were going to be!  Ah, Dennis, if only...

Oh well, no vocals, that's a shame, nonetheless these rehearsals need to be released! I had understood that they were going to be the big archival release that year, until the Legacy POB/Bambu reissue gradually became the #1 priority. It must be very hard to get a physical release project greenlighted nowadays, but I hope Jim Guercio hasn't just put them on the back burner indefinitely, at least no more so than anything else during these times.

There is a great and very intriguing track-by-track description of these POB tour rehearsal tapes, courtesy of Alan Boyd, in the pages of Ken Sharp's fantastic "Dreamer" book. The rehearsals were recorded to 2" 24-track tape, and while none seem to have a complete DW vocal performance, he does do some singing here-and-there.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: March 07, 2021, 07:29:10 AM
We'd been told several times since the new year that the box set was on track.

That Mike is touring a Feel Flows tour really adds nothing to what we knew.

IIRC when "Sunshine Tomorrow" came out, Mike&Bruce did their Wild Honey tour, but didn't really play anything from that album apart from "Darlin'" and "Wild Honey". Possibly "Aren't you glad" a couple of times but I may be wrong on that.
So, while I agree that them calling the tour "Feel Flows" is a good sign for the release of the set, I don't necessarily expect Mike&Bruce doing a lot of songs from it.

Exactly; it seems to be more commonplace for some artists to need to "title" their tours. McCartney does it too, he just picks seemingly random, sometimes awkward sounding tour titles ("Freshen Up Tour"?), whereas it seems like Mike's tour just sometimes grabs a song or album that is celebrating an anniversary, and uses that title. I wouldn't expect Mike to run though like most of the "Surf's Up" album or anything.
I don't know exactly when or where this naming a tour stuff started. I seriously doubt when Bob Dylan/The Band tour in 1974 they were calling it the Before the Flood tour. It just got called that AFTER the live album bearing that name came out.
I saw Paul Revere and the Raiders at the Tacoma Dome back in 1997, and they were selling shirts calling it the Refuse to Go Away Tour. lol

The Beach Boys' summer '64 tour was titled the "Summer Safari" tour. Maybe they were the first to name a tour?  Smiley
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian commenting on relationship with Carl (1988) on: March 07, 2021, 07:27:17 AM
Once Carl fell ill, however, Brian's comments on Carl were nothing but supportive, and Brian was clearly devastated by his passing.

Though didn't go to his funeral, I think?

He sure did. And reportedly was devastated, crying, falling in Marylin's arms and sobbing "Carl is gone and I don't know where." or something to that effect.

Yes - Brian skipped Murry's funeral, and I think Dennis'. Not sure about Audree's. But he did attend Carl's.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian commenting on relationship with Carl (1988) on: March 06, 2021, 06:53:59 AM
Yeah, Brian's official party line commentary on Carl during those years (when Carl and other members of Brian's family were trying to expunge Landy from his life) was negative. But even years after Landy's removal, it could still be negative. There's an interview with Brian from around '95-'96 (in one of the big British mags, like Mojo) where it was still pretty negative. That might be based on Carl abandoning their joint recording sessions that year. Once Carl fell ill, however, Brian's comments on Carl were nothing but supportive, and Brian was clearly devastated by his passing.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: shirt on: February 21, 2021, 04:50:25 PM
And so it begins?
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Carl, 23 years ago today on: February 14, 2021, 05:31:13 PM
Thanks for that, Rocker - hopefully Part Two gets uploaded!
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Carl, 23 years ago today on: February 09, 2021, 05:30:21 AM
From Al, on FB:

Al Jardine
February 6 at 10:00 AM  ∑
Thinking of Carl today on the day he left this world in 1998.  Carl was a great friend, had a big heart and was so extremely generous.  I feel blessed to have known him for as long as I did and will forever feel his voice and passion in the music ❤️🎶🕯️
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Carl, 23 years ago today on: February 08, 2021, 06:22:49 PM
From Mike, on FB:

Mike Love
February 6 at 8:24 PM  ∑
Itís so hard to believe my cousin by blood, but brother in music, Carl, has been gone so long.  I miss his spirit, his energy, his perfectionism, his voice, I just miss my cousin. We are all blessed to have you in our lives and your voice to carry us forward inspiring hope joy & Love.
Rest in Song Cous, Iíll Love you forever more
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First sign of genius: Surfer Girl (1963) on: February 08, 2021, 05:20:13 AM
"Surfer Girl" has two distinctions, no, three.

....but now he also hired the Wrecking Crew to play the instruments. The result was a fuller sound, which compares favorably to Phil Spector's studio productions.

As far as I know, which isn't much  LOL, there is very little of the Wrecking Crew on this album: Steve Douglas in place of Mike on saxophone (not a shocker,  Grin) and Hal Blaine on a little bit, and maybe Ray Pohlman (and I think Jan Berry) on one song.  I'd love for c-man, JH, or SaltyMarshmallow to correct me if I'm wrong, though.

It's Mike playing saxophone on "The Rocking Surfer". IIRC, it's blaring away in the background, but only present via room mics. That would be because the original drum track, with Dennis playing, was replaced by a different drum performance, and the sax was also on that original drum track. Not sure who the replacement drummer is, but it sounds too "garage-y" to be a pro like Hal...and I'm thinking it might actually be Carl!

But yes, the saxophones on "Our Carl Club" are played by studio pros (likely Steve and Jay), and the drumming there is Hal. Mike's sister Maureen plays harp on "Catch A Wave" and "Hawaii", Hal plays timbales on "Hawaii", and the track for "Surfer Moon" is Brian, Bob Norberg, Ray Pohlman, Hal, and a string arrangement that is reportedly Bob Norberg's, but transcribed by Jan Berry. Pretty sure everything else on the album is the Boys' playing.
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