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76  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2014 Ernie Knapp Interview (1981-82 Beach Boys Touring Bass Player) on: June 05, 2019, 10:34:10 AM
Adding a thought to the above...even though Carl didn't like the sound of the live band with Ernie on bass, he shouldn't feel bad, 'cause he was obviously good enough to play on sessions for Brian, alongside some of the best studio cats around!
77  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2014 Ernie Knapp Interview (1981-82 Beach Boys Touring Bass Player) on: June 05, 2019, 10:28:03 AM
To answer some of the questions above:

* I believe Jeff said that Bobby threw his back out around October of '81, and that he couldn't sit for extended periods. He was with the band (standing, playing tambourine) when they appeared on one of those TV shows late in the year - either Dick Clark or Merv Griffin, I forget which. And by the time of the Circle Star Theater shows in San Carlos that December, I believe Adrian was gone, but Bobby was still there - on the tape, they name check him for the falsetto on "I Get Around". Dennis was sick in his hotel room, and so my guess is Mike Kowalski was already back by that point, on percussion and subbing for Dennis on drums when needed, with Bobby still on board mainly to handle the bulk of the falsettos (like he did before Adrian's arrival). Eddie's hernia problem must've happened at some point in December, since he was with them for the filming of the Merv Griffin show that month, on which they mention their upcoming South African shows. By the time they left for South Africa, Eddie was out and Jeff joined them - quite literally at the airport. Again guessing here, but with Bobby unable to sit for the many hours it would take to fly to South Africa, I think they got Jeff in as a one-for-two deal, where he replaced both Bobby on falsettos and Eddie on guitar.

* From what I understand, Adrian's departures over the years had to do with his work visa - presumably, he could only work so many months in the U.S. before having to return to the U.K.

* Eddie Carter's name is not on those AFM contracts from May/June '82 - just Ernie, plus some "classic" Wrecking Crew guys like Hal Blaine and Lyle Ritz, some really legendary horn players like Chuck Findley, Ernie Watts, and Don Myrick (the latter from Earth, Wind and Fire), guitarist Mitch Holder, and guitarist Billy Joe Walker, Jr.

* Billy returned in November '82.
78  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2014 Ernie Knapp Interview (1981-82 Beach Boys Touring Bass Player) on: June 05, 2019, 09:05:59 AM
Great stuff.

My guess is Ernie is somewhat misremembering the "six month" thing, and that it was really maybe more like three months:  Carl's album was finished around the first of the year, but not released until late March, he did a month of solo shows in April while the BBs weren't touring, but then left the band in May to do further solo shows that summer.

When Carl played a handful of shows with the band at the end of March/beginning of April '82, it was during a break in Youngblood sessions, and was a way to "test the waters", so to speak, for Carl's eventual permanent return. He then flew back to L.A. for mixing sessions. Jeff Foskett (aka Austin) did a great interview for the Add Some Music fanzine, published in early '84. He went into some depth about the lineup changes in '81-'82, and how both Ed Carter and Bobby Figueroa left toward the end of '81 due to health issues (Ed had a hernia, Bobby had a bad back). Eddie's temporary depature resulted in Jeff joining the band for their South African residency and beyond. Upon his return, Carl wasn't happy with the sound of the band, and therefore decided to make some changes, i.e. he invited Ed Carter back in the band to play bass, and asked "the other guy" (meaning Ernie) to stay home. Adrian Baker returned, primarily to play electric piano while Bruce took over the grand piano in Brian's absence. Jeff thought he'd be dismissed, too, but Carl considered Jeff's voice "a real asset", and so he stayed.

Interestingly, Ernie Knapp's name is on a couple of AFM session contracts from May and June '82 - these were Brian-produced sessions for the titles "Why Don't You Tell Me Why", "Cry Like A Baby", and a third untitled number. Shame THAT subject didn't come up in this interview!

79  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys SiriusXM Channel Returning...? on: June 03, 2019, 10:54:50 PM
Bummer. Sad
80  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Most Self Contained Beach Boys' Albums on: June 02, 2019, 10:33:22 PM
BTW, I think it woulda been cool as hell if The Beach Boys had done a fully self-contained and self-produced latter-day album like The Monkees did with Justus while they were all still alive!
81  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys SiriusXM Channel Returning...? on: June 02, 2019, 08:26:51 PM
Someone apparently wrote to Sirius asking about the return of the BBs channel, and was received a reply from someone named Cameron that read, "The Beach Boys channel will run through the summer, via satellite on channel 4, and through the SiriusXM app on smartphones and other connected devices, as well as online at http://siriusxm.com." When asked when it will start, Cameron replied, "We do not have an exact date about that."
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Most Self Contained Beach Boys' Albums on: June 02, 2019, 07:25:25 PM
Oh, and Carl overdubbed guitar on a few of the MIU tracks when he finally arrived at the studio. But it seems that the only drumming Denny does on that album are on the tracks that were recorded the year before at Brother.
83  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Most Self Contained Beach Boys' Albums on: June 02, 2019, 06:36:01 PM
One key point is that, after the first couple of albums, the Beach Boys became increasingly known (and self-identified) as a VOCAL band - that's where their chops lay, and they maximized their emphasis on that aspect of their sound, with Brian's vocal arrangements becoming increasingly complex as time went by. THAT alone should ensure no loss of respect in critics circles.

On KTSA, Carl played guitar on the title track (piano, too), "Oh Darling", "Livin' With A Heatache" (electric piano, too), and the outtake "Goin' To The Beach" (bass, too). He also played keboards on "Sunshine". Not yet sure if he's playing lead guitar on "School Days" or if that's a studio guy.

On BB85, we have track-by-track credits, and Carl is credited with guitar on "It's Gettin' Late" (synth, too). He's also credited with synth on "Where I Belong". Al is credited with guitars on "California Callin'".

The track that Brian was referring to in '95 where he talked about Carl adding some guitar is the unreleased (and unfinished) "Dancin' The Night Away" for the "Baywatch Nights" TV series. Carl plays some rockin' guitar on that!  Too bad it wasn't finished and released.
84  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Beach Boys SiriusXM Channel Returning...? on: June 02, 2019, 02:25:38 PM
Saw this on Facebook today:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/beachboysfriends/?ref=br_rs
85  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: June 02, 2019, 02:19:14 PM
Listening to "Don't Worry Baby" from Long Beach, something tells me that Brian probably wasn't ever really "ready".

He often sounded okay on other stuff like Sloop, GOK, GV. I don't think Brian could have done "Don't Worry Baby" in the original key in 1975 either. I don't think Carl or Al could have done it in the original key in full falsetto voice by the early 80s either. I think you can hear a few audience recordings from 1981/82 where Al tries to fill in the gaps for Brian.

By the time they added the song back to the setlist in 1987/88 or so, Carl sang the first part of the verses and Foskett (and later Adrian Baker in 1990/91) sang the second part of the verses and the choruses. By 1992 or 93, they just had Matt Jardine sing the whole thing.

There are a ton of other leads even the 1981 Brian could have handled generally reasonably well. I'm not sure why of all songs they chose to have Brian do "Don't Worry Baby" in the original key. I'm trying to think of something less realistic to have him sing. I guess "Papa Oom Mow Mow" or something?
There is a video from I believe Arizona from 1988 where Carl sings the entire lead verses of Don't Worry Baby, and you can see and hear that he's really pushing to the limit of his range.

Yes, that's the 87/88 arrangement I was talking about. I guess it's one of those songs where one can debate where the verses end and what might be a bridge versus a second part of the verse, but I'd say one way to look at is that Foskett is singing the second part of the verses. So for instance:

Well, its been building up inside of me for (Carl)
Oh, I don't know how long (Carl)
I don't know why, but I keep thinking (Carl)
Something's bound to go wrong (Carl)
But she looks in my eyes (Foskett or Baker)
And makes me realize (Foskett or Baker)

They were bouncing around some changing arrangement ideas around that 1988 timeframe. Check out "Wouldn't It Be Nice" from that same Arizona show. They can't decide who's singing. It sounds like Carl, Al, and Foskett are all singing the lead in unison. At one point, *prior* to the bridge, Mike starts singing the lead too. So at one point four guys are all singing the lead at the same time.

It was right around that time that I think the lead on WIBN was transitioning from Al to Carl. Al sang it in the early-mid 80s (when Brian was there), but by 1989, as you can see in the "Endless Summer" TV show live concert segments, Carl was singing it.

They did "Don't Worry Baby" the same way in '84 - Carl singing the verses, Jeff singing the choruses...which at the time I thought was ironic, since the '73 version had Al singing the verses, and Carl singing the choruses. BTW, the best decision they made as far as live lead choices was having Carl take over "WIBN" in the late '80s. He sounded fantastic on that. IIRC, he sang it right up until he had to quit the road. But you're right - they had way too many guys trying to sing it. It was essentially Al's live lead, until Brian came back, then he and Al tried signing it together, and I think when Jeff joined, he sang it with the two of them until Brian dropped back out again. So that's when the three-to-four guy approach started (at least in the first verse).
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What is the name of that Brian song.... on: May 30, 2019, 07:35:38 AM
"I Sleep Alone".  I believe it was recorded by some female artist... EDIT: search reveals it was intended for Sarah Brightman.

FURTHER EDIT: at the same appearance, Bri performed his absolute best ever solo rendition of "God Only Knows". Stunning.
87  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 20/20 on: May 27, 2019, 12:10:48 PM
Yeah, I really think what you're talking about applies to the '70-'72 era, not the late '68 era. And they clearly dusted off "Our Prayer" and "Cabinessence" at the last minute, due to a lack of anything new from Brian, rather than Brian refusing to give them anything new because they decided to include those songs against his will. They had an album to deliver before leaving on tour, and Brian hadn't given them anything new for inclusion. They reached back to the previous summer and completed "I Went To Sleep", then dug back further for "Time To Get Alone" (for which Brian participated in finishing), then "Our Prayer" and "Cabinessence" (which he did not). Between overdub sessions for the last two of these, he went in and did "Cotton Fields", but that was it. Earlier in the sessions, they tried to get to sing on "I Can Hear Music" and possibly others, but he refused.
88  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 20/20 on: May 27, 2019, 11:44:39 AM
Yeah I can think of later ones-like wanting a more upbeat til I die in 1970 and not digging fairytale in 1972

Exactly. But during the 20/20 era, Brian had, for whatever reason, chose not to participate ("Cotton Fields" being the exception). This may have to do with the aftermath of his hospitalization and reported electro-shock therapy treatment earlier that year, or just a general, temporary lack of interest in music-making in the second half of '68. Other than "Walkin" and "Been Way Too Long" that July (neither of them finished), the subsequent Ron Wilson session and sessions for the Honeys at the very end of the year, "Cotton Fields" was pretty much his only production during those months.  Eight years later, Dennis complained to Pete Fornatale about how they had to find pieces of music Brian had started, and finish them for the album: "That's when there was no involvement at all."
89  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 20/20 on: May 27, 2019, 11:15:17 AM
Remember, this was when Brian was distancing himself from the band. They tried to get him involved in the sessions, but he refused. He probably refused to join them for the photo shoot, and it was probably not possible to convincingly paste his image into the front and back cover photos, so they did the next best thing and put him in the gatefold.

This is a bit inaccurate, as it was a two-way street with Brian and the band during this time.

When Brian *was* coming to the band with ideas around the time of the 20/20 era, whether it be for songs to work on, sessions, and other band issues, they were shooting him down left and right and basically saying "no" to what he was putting on the table.

Much like the attitude described by Marilyn in one of the docs about the Smile era, Brian would get sick of them challenging and shooting down his ideas to where he'd say "fine, you do it".

It's not as simple as saying the band tried to get Brian involved at this time but he refused like they were being shunned by Brian, when in fact the ideas Brian had been bringing to the band for them to get involved with were being shot down at a greater rate than previously. It is a two-way street in that regard.

Other than "Old Man River", which Carl and the others actually did try to finish with Brian, what examples can you site?
90  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 20/20 on: May 26, 2019, 09:06:47 AM
Remember, this was when Brian was distancing himself from the band. They tried to get him involved in the sessions, but he refused. He probably refused to join them for the photo shoot, and it was probably not possible to convincingly paste his image into the front and back cover photos, so they did the next best thing and put him in the gatefold.
91  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brians caring personality on: May 25, 2019, 07:52:14 AM
Steve Levine said Brian was nice and comforting to him after Al blew his lid over something minor in the studio.
92  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: horribly written article about show 40 yrs ago today- on: May 15, 2019, 04:23:11 AM
Uh...maybe the article's been rewritten since you posted that, but it specifically lists Brian as one of the original 5 present, and adds that Bruce is also present. Where it goes wrong is in stating that this was the final tour with the original 5.
93  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs from here and back on: May 14, 2019, 06:36:50 PM
I THINK that GV on this compilation is the audio from the Dick Clark New Years Eve taping in late '74.  I'm not positive.


I don't have the thing at hand but I think Dennis was mentioned as being present on WIBN and GV, but he wasn't on the New ear's Eve show IIRC. But obviously I was wrong before about the credits. I have to check it out later.

You're right that Dennis wasn't at the NYE show.  I'm wondering if the credits may not be accurate if they claim he's on GV.

Well, they didn't perform "WIBN" at the '74 New Years Rockin' Eve" (not on the televised version anyway), so it's possible that it's from a different performance, in which case Dennis is most likely on it.
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Help identifying this album artwork? on: May 13, 2019, 04:32:07 AM
That's the official Venezuelan release. Couldn't tell you why, though...
95  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 24, 2019, 06:43:19 PM
I love how when they performed this song for the 50th anniversary, literally no one (well except maybe Bruce) was singing the same part they did on the studio recording.  For the live version, Al was singing Brian's lower part, Jeff was singing Brian's higher part, Brian was singing Carl's part and David was singing Mike's part.  Wild!

How 'bout Bruce? EDIT: nevermind, I see your remark now about how maybe he stayed true to his part.
96  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / 1967 Radio Ad for \ on: April 22, 2019, 04:15:52 PM
This morning, Chris Carter played an official fall 1967 Capitol radio ad for the Magical Mystery Tour album on his "Breakfast With The Beatles" show. The ad included snippets of album cuts "Hello Goodbye", "All You Need Is Love", and "Strawberry Fields Forever". Great to hear, but really surprising to hear a plug for the then-current Beach Boys album, Wild Honey, in the same ad!  Behind snippets of "I Was Made To Love Her" and "Darlin'", the announcer said something like, "Also available is the new Beach Boys album, Wild Honey, with a great happenin' sound on songs like the new single "Darlin'!'" (or words to that effect) Very cool!
97  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 22, 2019, 04:10:56 PM
I think Steve Levine would not embarrass Brian Wilson.  If you listen to Brian sing the very end of Getcha Back, you hear the very real and ragged singing voice of Brian Wilson at that time.  There is no way the guy that sang that part of the song sang the falsetto. 

Except that he did...whether or not that's BW singing the falsetto on the YouTube-posted demo version, it's him on the final record.  The identify of the falsetto singer on the demo, I think, is debatable -it sounds more like Adrian there than either Jeff or Brian IMO - but that could possibly be down to a difference in tape speed, if it was sourced from a slightly sped up tape (I haven't A/B'd it with the record or CD, so I couldn't say).  Regardless, it's Brian on the final mix. How am I so certain? Well, for one, as Billy C. says upthread, it's the same voice heard on other BW vocals from the era - notably, some of the falsettos on his first solo album. Slightly whiny, slightly pitchy, but freakin' high nonetheless. Regardless of how his normal range tenor "lead" voice sounded at the time, the man could still hit those high notes, clearly not as effortlessly as in his prime, but nonetheless, he hit them. Secondly, it was stated at the time that Levine had to practically drag that performance out of Brian, and that in the end, Brian did it basically out of respect for Terry Melcher, who apparently begged him to do it; if Brian didn't actually do it, and they were all just saying he did, I doubt they'd make THAT story up...rather, they'd make it sound like not only did Brian do it, but he WANTED to do it. Thirdly, as I've stated previously, I've seen all the track sheet notations, and there are multiple Brian vocal tracks notated, including many labeled "hi" - any one (or two, or three) of which could contain those falsetto parts, yet none labeled "Jeff" or "Adrian". Trust me, it's Brian...
98  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Holy Man Record Store Day on: April 19, 2019, 08:32:29 AM
Personally, after years of hearing about how awful it was, I was prepared to dislike it intensely. But upon actually hearing it, I kinda like it. Remember, Dennis had intended for the Double Rock Baptist Choir to sing on it, so Taylor's version - simple and beautiful as it is - always felt to me like it was still missing its full potential. Yeah, I know - with Dennis gone, we can't say it could ever be exactly as he intended, but I gotta say, the addition of the "Queen choir" has filled it out and made it closer, I believe, to what he intended. And it doesn't sound "too Queen-like" to me...maybe because Freddy's trademark, distinctive voice is not on it. The guitar solos, however? I could live without them. I think Carl's original solo fits better.

Lastly, I thought folks might enjoy re-reading what Brian May posted on his website back in '08 about the creative process he went through in realizing this version:


"Well, since many people have been asking, and the word seems to be out there ....
I got inspired when Taylor sent me the track in its raw state, with a really soulful vocal from Taylor. It was a song which Dennis Wilson had begun, shortly before he died, but never finished. Beautiful piano playing, wonderful spiritual feel. The producers of the new Dennis Wilson release had asked Taylor Hawkins to sing on the track, and, by instinctive 'feel', finish the song. He had done an amazing job. Taylor had a feeling we could contribute, so he sent me a ProTools session of it. If you were a fan of the Beach Boys, you'll remember Dennis was not known as the principal songwriter, and was regarded by many as just a band member who was carried along. But, of all of the band, it was only Dennis who actually led the life of a surfer, and as time went on, it became obvious that he had a lot to say. He came into his own as a writer, and is now regarded by many as truly at the heart of what the Beach Boys were, and are, in the history of Rock.

So the track arrived, and I was moved ... so much so, that it hadn't even got to the end of the first playing before I was down in the studio, playing along ... inspired. I plunged in, and did a kind of resculpting, about three days work, as perhaps you'll eventually hear - and sent back a rough mix of what I'd done. It involved mapping and singing some backing vocals for the lead vocal to bounce off, building the rhythm track with guitars, and playing a solo. I then extended the song a little, to try to make the point a little stronger, and made an ending which resolved to something very much like the opening of the track - just subtly changed. The whole track spoke to me like a poem, and seemed to be steeped in the spirit of this mysterious man, the Beach Boy Who Surfed. And I wanted to do my bit to realise it to the full. Taylor was hugely enthusiastic, and we then asked Roger to add his magic. Roger loved it too, added his voice to the harmonies, and did some nice percussion, so the whole thing now had a subtle Queen overtone. We all loved the track - and hoped that we would see it on the Dennis album.

Sadly, we then found out that the producers of the album had gone ahead and compiled the album without waiting for us. I think there is some plan to issue it as a download, but obviously, having put so much love into it, we were a little disappointed, Taylor and Roger and me.

But such is life. It was still a nice experience doing it. Those moments are precious, and it's a fact of life that they don't always lead to something commercially successful, or even get heard. It's the moments of creative joy which matter ... and, in a way, this brought us closer to Taylor. And maybe there will yet be a good outcome."


99  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Holy Man Record Store Day on: April 18, 2019, 09:42:36 PM
It's been officially uploaded on YouTube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot4JCJPA3MI
100  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Voice of Al Jardine on: April 09, 2019, 04:28:08 AM
Al sings the first verse, i.e. “Life supporting waves of bliss...”

Mike sings the second, “Golden auras glow around you...”

I always thought it was Mike on both verses. I’ll be damned.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I second that. Mike is really "breathy" on his verse - you can hear him inhaling. That aspect is absent from Al's verse.
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