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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Bassist Carol Kaye Slams "Ms. Maisel" Homage on: January 03, 2020, 10:56:07 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/wrecking-crew-bassist-carol-kaye-slams-mrs-maisel-homage-i-am-not-a-cartoon/ar-BBYAn2D?ocid=spartandhp
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was the last time Bruce Johnston played bass? on: January 03, 2020, 09:47:05 AM
Actually, they weren't billed as "The Beach Boys", but rather as "A Tribute To The Beach Boys".

Right, I stand corrected. The infamous day Brian, Carl and Al watched, in surprise, as members of their band played as a  tribute to their band at the Super Bowl

I would think they'd have heard about it in advance, like most of us, through the media...it was publicized or advertised days ahead of time.

According to Al Jardine, you'd be wrong

I know - but you'd still think they would've heard, even if they didn't.
28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was the last time Bruce Johnston played bass? on: January 03, 2020, 09:00:45 AM
Actually, they weren't billed as "The Beach Boys", but rather as "A Tribute To The Beach Boys".

Right, I stand corrected. The infamous day Brian, Carl and Al watched, in surprise, as members of their band played as a  tribute to their band at the Super Bowl

I would think they'd have heard about it in advance, like most of us, through the media...it was publicized or advertised days ahead of time.
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was the last time Bruce Johnston played bass? on: January 03, 2020, 08:44:54 AM
<<What a mess indeed.
Still, I'm always glad to see David Marks play with the band.
In what circumstances exactly did he come back to play with Mike and Bruce?
Did David stay in touch with the other Beach Boys during all those "lost years"?>>


You should read Jon Stebbins' book "The Lost Beach Boy".
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who Produced Susie Cincinatti? on: January 03, 2020, 04:46:15 AM
To answer your question c-man developed a web site in which he used the sea of tunes releases to really analyze how the BBs recorded all their Early music. His respect for the music and well written analysis caught the eye of Alan Boyd and others in the inner circle and led to him writing the sessionography for the smile box set and some other releases-hence he had a chance to listen to more session tapes then you and I


Let me chime in into the praises of c-man's great work by adding the link:

http://www.beachboysarchives.com/

Thanks, Rocker. I might add that the input of others, such as aeijtzsche and SaltyMarshmallow, is becoming increasingly valuable in the ongoing pursuit of accuracy in this endeavor. I'm often asked why I don't publish my work in a hardcopy book...my answer is that, as a trained historian (admittedly a B.A. and not a Masters or PhD, but still), I realize that recorded history requires constant updating whenever newly discovered facts (or the opinion of a respected peer) dictates such...and the blessing of the internet is such that updates can happen instantly, whereas an outdated "fact" in a book remains out there forever, even if a new edition is published.  Smiley
31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was the last time Bruce Johnston played bass? on: January 03, 2020, 04:39:58 AM
Actually, they weren't billed as "The Beach Boys", but rather as "A Tribute To The Beach Boys".
32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Merry Christmas; what the heck is this guitar? on: December 29, 2019, 03:13:46 PM
That's Bill Pitman.


Yeah, I see it in the cheeks.  Smiley
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Merry Christmas; what the heck is this guitar? on: December 29, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Do we think the guitarist on the right is Billy Strange or Tommy Tedesco?  They look enough alike in the photos that I've seen for me to be uncertain...
34  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who Produced Susie Cincinatti? on: December 28, 2019, 10:49:14 PM
This is as good a time as any to ask: why the heck was this track included on 15 Big Ones?

Well, in the months leading up to that album's release, Timothy White spent quite a bit of time hanging out with the band, at Dennis' invitation. At one point, Dennis explained to White that the long gap between new Beach Boys albums was not due to a lack of available material to choose from: "We have a lot of stuff in the can we could have put together and released, but it just wasn't that. It's always left up to the writer of each song as to what will happen to it, and we couldn't agree on enough of the old material." Apparently "Susie" was the one "in the can" track the group could agree to release (even though, technically, it had already seen limited release as the B-side to two singles that quickly vanished). That February, during a phone conversation with White, Brian said, “There’s a few cuts in the can we’re gonna use on one of our new albums, like ‘Susie Cincinnati’, which was never on an album. I am working on a new version of it because it’s a good song...Yes, a song called 'Susie Cincinnati', which is an original and which is up-tempo harmonies and, aaah, that's all that I can think of right now. It was written by Al Jardine." Brian then proceeded to sing the first two lines of the song to White, concluding by explaining, "It's about a female cab driver." In reality, the new version of "Susie" that Brian spoke of was a simple remix of the original 1970 recording; according to White, this remixed version was offered to Warners as a potential single release in January by Carl, who then withdrew the offer when the group changed their minds. Dennis played a cassette dub of the newly-remixed "Susie" on his tape deck to White in February, when White visited his camper trailer in Marina Del Rey one afternoon. Dennis then dismissed the song with a laugh, calling it a "silly piece of sh*t", and (obviously forgetting its two prior B-side appearances) said, "Did we release that? I doubt it".

So, I guess the answer is, "because Brian liked it".
35  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Merry Christmas; what the heck is this guitar? on: December 27, 2019, 11:11:19 PM
I think we have a winner!
36  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 27, 2019, 11:05:59 PM
Dig the Memphis-style guitars on this alternate "Slip On Through" and the country-ish psych guitars on "I'm Going Your Way". According to track sheet notations, these were (Mike) Deasy and Eddie (Carter). These two tracks were recorded at the same session at Gold Star, July '69.

On "Carnival", the guys sang each of their vocal parts separately, then doubled them (except for the fifth part) - a rare modus operandi for them, and probably the first time they ever did this. This was recorded on 16-track, so the final tape has four parts doubled and a single fifth part, using a total of 9 tracks for vocals (I think all of them except Bruce were involved with the recording). You can really hear the individual parts much better on this new remix than on the original bootlegged mix.

Hey c-man, I understand if you don't want to (or can't), but who are the instrumentalists and vocalists on "I'm Going Your Way" and "Carnival"?

All I can tell you about "I'm Going Your Way" so far is that those are the two guitarists, and that Hal Blaine is the drummer, and Dennis is obviously the only vocalist. The voice from the control room at the end of the bootlegged rough mix sounds like Bruce, so he was apparently involved in the production. As for "Carnival", it appears to have been recorded at the same session as "I Just Got My Pay", for which the Boys themselves played the instruments. Dennis can be heard counting it off on the new mix, and I hear Brian, Al, and Mike, with Carl and Dennis likely in there too. Doesn't seem like Bruce sings on that, unless someone else hears him.
37  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 27, 2019, 10:40:18 AM
Dig the Memphis-style guitars on this alternate "Slip On Through" and the country-ish psych guitars on "I'm Going Your Way". According to track sheet notations, these were (Mike) Deasy and Eddie (Carter). These two tracks were recorded at the same session at Gold Star, July '69.

On "Carnival", the guys sang each of their vocal parts separately, then doubled them (except for the fifth part) - a rare modus operandi for them, and probably the first time they ever did this. This was recorded on 16-track, so the final tape has four parts doubled and a single fifth part, using a total of 9 tracks for vocals (I think all of them except Bruce were involved with the recording). You can really hear the individual parts much better on this new remix than on the original bootlegged mix.
38  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 27, 2019, 10:18:24 AM
Hal: "One...Two..."
Dennis: "Pick up those sticks!"
Hal: "One...Two...Three", chop-chop-chop (double-time)

Classic!  Smiley

39  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Murry Wilson And Snow on: December 25, 2019, 12:02:44 AM

The only recorded example of Murry singing that I know of is the infamous Help Me Rhonda vocal session, and judging by that, it's a good thing he made an instrumental album. (Allegedly, he contributed some backing vocals on Friends, but I don't really hear them.)

You can hear the deep, low note on "Be Here In The Morning", right?  "...and make my life WHOLE"? That's Murry.  Smiley
40  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Salesman 1967: Craig Smith, Mike Nesmith, and Mike Love...and Brian? on: December 24, 2019, 06:57:50 PM
Received the new2-LP reissue vinyl today — it’s really great, as expected.

Liner notes indicate the “Salesman” track here was recorded between 1969-71 (I trust Mike Stax’s) research to be accurate here) — that would be the original track they’re listening to. The convo track would have to be after that of course. When did Charles Lloyd begin working w the BB?

I still find it goes against conventional wisdom that Mike Love was hanging out w Craig Smith during this period.

So in the late ‘60s, we have Brian fully producing and in charge of BB records, and Mike Love hanging out with a dude who is one of the most unconventional figures on the fringes of the LA scene at the time.

Good to see you back, Donny!
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The potential success (or lack therof) of the aborted Lei'd in Hawaii album on: December 23, 2019, 11:27:42 PM
As for other groups of the era doing "fake" live recordings - well yes, just maybe not to this extent (an entire album's worth). Case in point: the Stones' late '66 live fiasco Got LIVE If You Want It, which contained studio recordings of two songs which were "enhanced" with live audience sounds. Another case in point: the Kinks' dismal 1967 Live At Kelvin Hall, which, while sourced from a concert recording, was heavily overdubbed not only with musical parts, but also with an extended, repeated tape loop of audience sounds.

Not to mention the Boys' own inclusion of the stripped-down studio tracks mixed with audience sounds for "Fun, Fun, Fun" and "I Get Around" on their first live album (oddly, they took the time to record live-in-the-studio versions of these, which would have been much more palatable and less noticeable then what they ended up doing).

In the end, I guess all three groups and/or their management figured no one would notice! At least the Boys ended up shelving their '67 studio fakery.
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lei'd In Hawaii Questions on: December 23, 2019, 11:15:18 PM
* Brian played bass on the "Lei'd" version of "Sloop", as well as the otherwise unheard instrumental "Hawthorne Blvd."  Alan and Carl rotated bass duties for the rest of the songs.  I haven't been able to sort it all out yet, but I think Carl played bass on "GOK" and "GV", while Al played bass on "Gettin' Hungry", and probably "Surfin'" and "Hawaii", as he did on the studio recordings of those songs.

c-man, this post is 10 years old, so I'm curious if you'd make any changes.

Nope - as far as I know, all of the above is correct.
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 23, 2019, 10:54:33 AM
For me, Friends = summer
Sunflower = anytime
44  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 22, 2019, 07:49:27 AM
I always consider Pet Sounds to be Brian's best production (even though I'd rather listen to Beach Boys Today! most of the time), and Sunflower to be the best group effort.
45  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Murry Wilson And Snow on: December 19, 2019, 11:01:43 AM
Presumably, that Ron Wilson is the same Ron Wilson for whom Brian produced a single (the original "I'll Keep On Loving You" b/w a version of "As Tears Go By") in '68.
46  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Whole World ~ isolated guitars recreation video on: December 18, 2019, 10:59:09 PM
Wow, lately I've really been getting into live recordings from George Harrison's late 1974 North American tour, for which Emil Richards was the percussionist. I've really been digging his chimes playing, for instance a neat solo on "For You Blue".
47  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Johnny Carson, track from Love You on: December 18, 2019, 07:28:13 AM
The good Carl Wilson himself delivers the part, to my humble ears. Puts a little fun swing into it, but it has his tone / timber.

Happy to stand corrected if I'm leading you astray.



Oh it's Carl, alright. The vocal credits section in Brad Elliott's book misidentifies the lead singers as "MIKE, BRIAN" but it's clearly "MIKE, CARL". Any remaining doubt about that can be cast aside by a quick look at the notations on the actual Brother Studios tape box track sheet, which read:

16 - CARL (Ed)
17 - CARL (Ed)
18 - MIKE Lead
19 - BGS Johnny
20 - BGS Johnny

The "Ed" notations next to Carl's two vocal tracks are obviously a reference to the part he sings, "Ed McMahon comes on and says, 'Here's Johnny", etc. Interesting that there are two tracks for that part - I'm too lazy at the moment to listen and determine if Carl is actually doubling that part. Mike's lead, by contrast, occupies just one track.
48  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Johnny Carson, track from Love You on: December 18, 2019, 07:17:54 AM

I often point to Carson's interview with Paul McCartney several years later in 1984. McCartney was promoting his Broad Street movie, and Carson seems stunningly only somewhat familiar with even *McCartney's* career, at one point actually asking McCartney if he "writes his own music." (This went along with a gag that Carson ran into the ground where he was poking fun at McCartney clearly *not* planning to play or sing anything, by having a guitar set up next to McCartney for the entire interview, often referencing that it was available for McCartney to play if he wanted).


I wonder if Johnny or his staff knew enough, at least, to get a left-handed guitar for Paul!
49  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Murry Wilson And Snow on: December 17, 2019, 06:52:54 AM
Good God - this sounds like a horrible parody, specifically designed to sound horrible! IMHO
50  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Whole World ~ isolated guitars recreation video on: December 13, 2019, 09:23:25 AM
Basses on "Break Away" were Ray Pohlman and Jimmy Bond (same as on the song's flip side, "Celebrate The News"). Definitely one upright, and what sounds to me like a 6-string Dano bass (same with "Celebrate The News") - it has that bouncy, slightly grungy sound. A standard Fender bass can sound grungy if played with a pick ("Don't Worry Baby", "Please Let Me Wonder", "Sloop John B."), but I've never really heard that "bounce" except on the lighter-gauge strings of a Dano (or Fender VI).
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