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126  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who is on Spanish Kokomo? on: March 11, 2021, 06:42:15 PM
The big mystery is why was Brian permitted to participate in the Spanish version? It has been said that he wasn't allowed to be in the original single unless Landy was credited.


Once "Kokomo" hit No. 1, Landy's camp was scrambling to get Brian on the wagon, however possible. Hence, Brian singing along with the group on the chorus at the L.A. Coliseum that fall (as seen in "Full House"), and singing on the Spanish language version. Short of finding a time machine and sending him back to the recording session or video shoot for the original version, that was about all that could be done at that point...
127  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who is on Spanish Kokomo? on: March 10, 2021, 06:12:04 PM
Who is on Spanish Kokomo?

Just had a listen to this - it's really not one I listen to often. Unlike the regular version I don't hear Carl and I do hear Brian. Who else is on it?

I'm assuming J Foskett, Mike, Al & Bruce. But is there a definitive listing somewhere?


I guess the appearance of Brian is the only difference to the hit single. Carl is on it and sings the same parts as on the english version, though single tracked (or at least that's what it sounds to me).

Don't know if Terry Melcher sings on the spanish version, he does on the original though.

Terry sang on the demo for the English language version, as did Jeff. But per Bruce, their vocals were wiped - by Carl, who insisted that "only actual Beach Boys should be singing on this."
128  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What material we can expect from further archival releases on: March 08, 2021, 05:52:11 AM

Want to add the "I've Got A Friend" instrumental track to the list of (hopefully) likely candidates, one of the best unheard things out there. AND the supposedly magnificent rehearsals for the abortive DW POB solo tour.

One of my biggest regrets from visiting John Hanlon & Jon Stebbins in the studio for the mixing of Bambu was not having time to listen to the rehearsal tapes...  (Sadly, I do seem to recall that none of these recordings include DW vocals).  However, I was present for many of these rehearsals, (sometimes with Dennis, sometimes just wandering in to visit the band and listen by myself), and they were extraordinary!
The rehearsals took place in the back room of Brother, (in what was normally the room where the equipment was stored, and originally was rented to house the studio's return from the Netherlands), and I can't recall what format they were recorded on, (Jon, a little help here), but they were a portent of how monumental these shows were going to be!  Ah, Dennis, if only...

Oh well, no vocals, that's a shame, nonetheless these rehearsals need to be released! I had understood that they were going to be the big archival release that year, until the Legacy POB/Bambu reissue gradually became the #1 priority. It must be very hard to get a physical release project greenlighted nowadays, but I hope Jim Guercio hasn't just put them on the back burner indefinitely, at least no more so than anything else during these times.


There is a great and very intriguing track-by-track description of these POB tour rehearsal tapes, courtesy of Alan Boyd, in the pages of Ken Sharp's fantastic "Dreamer" book. The rehearsals were recorded to 2" 24-track tape, and while none seem to have a complete DW vocal performance, he does do some singing here-and-there.
129  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: March 07, 2021, 07:29:10 AM
We'd been told several times since the new year that the box set was on track.

That Mike is touring a Feel Flows tour really adds nothing to what we knew.


IIRC when "Sunshine Tomorrow" came out, Mike&Bruce did their Wild Honey tour, but didn't really play anything from that album apart from "Darlin'" and "Wild Honey". Possibly "Aren't you glad" a couple of times but I may be wrong on that.
So, while I agree that them calling the tour "Feel Flows" is a good sign for the release of the set, I don't necessarily expect Mike&Bruce doing a lot of songs from it.

Exactly; it seems to be more commonplace for some artists to need to "title" their tours. McCartney does it too, he just picks seemingly random, sometimes awkward sounding tour titles ("Freshen Up Tour"?), whereas it seems like Mike's tour just sometimes grabs a song or album that is celebrating an anniversary, and uses that title. I wouldn't expect Mike to run though like most of the "Surf's Up" album or anything.
I don't know exactly when or where this naming a tour stuff started. I seriously doubt when Bob Dylan/The Band tour in 1974 they were calling it the Before the Flood tour. It just got called that AFTER the live album bearing that name came out.
I saw Paul Revere and the Raiders at the Tacoma Dome back in 1997, and they were selling shirts calling it the Refuse to Go Away Tour. lol

The Beach Boys' summer '64 tour was titled the "Summer Safari" tour. Maybe they were the first to name a tour?  Smiley
130  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian commenting on relationship with Carl (1988) on: March 07, 2021, 07:27:17 AM
Once Carl fell ill, however, Brian's comments on Carl were nothing but supportive, and Brian was clearly devastated by his passing.

Though didn't go to his funeral, I think?


He sure did. And reportedly was devastated, crying, falling in Marylin's arms and sobbing "Carl is gone and I don't know where." or something to that effect.

Yes - Brian skipped Murry's funeral, and I think Dennis'. Not sure about Audree's. But he did attend Carl's.
131  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian commenting on relationship with Carl (1988) on: March 06, 2021, 06:53:59 AM
Yeah, Brian's official party line commentary on Carl during those years (when Carl and other members of Brian's family were trying to expunge Landy from his life) was negative. But even years after Landy's removal, it could still be negative. There's an interview with Brian from around '95-'96 (in one of the big British mags, like Mojo) where it was still pretty negative. That might be based on Carl abandoning their joint recording sessions that year. Once Carl fell ill, however, Brian's comments on Carl were nothing but supportive, and Brian was clearly devastated by his passing.
132  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: shirt on: February 21, 2021, 04:50:25 PM
And so it begins?
133  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Carl, 23 years ago today on: February 14, 2021, 05:31:13 PM
Thanks for that, Rocker - hopefully Part Two gets uploaded!
134  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Carl, 23 years ago today on: February 09, 2021, 05:30:21 AM
From Al, on FB:

Al Jardine
February 6 at 10:00 AM  ·
Thinking of Carl today on the day he left this world in 1998.  Carl was a great friend, had a big heart and was so extremely generous.  I feel blessed to have known him for as long as I did and will forever feel his voice and passion in the music ❤️🎶🕯️
135  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Carl, 23 years ago today on: February 08, 2021, 06:22:49 PM
From Mike, on FB:

Mike Love
February 6 at 8:24 PM  ·
It’s so hard to believe my cousin by blood, but brother in music, Carl, has been gone so long.  I miss his spirit, his energy, his perfectionism, his voice, I just miss my cousin. We are all blessed to have you in our lives and your voice to carry us forward inspiring hope joy & Love.
Rest in Song Cous, I’ll Love you forever more
Mike
136  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First sign of genius: Surfer Girl (1963) on: February 08, 2021, 05:20:13 AM
"Surfer Girl" has two distinctions, no, three.

....but now he also hired the Wrecking Crew to play the instruments. The result was a fuller sound, which compares favorably to Phil Spector's studio productions.

As far as I know, which isn't much  LOL, there is very little of the Wrecking Crew on this album: Steve Douglas in place of Mike on saxophone (not a shocker,  Grin) and Hal Blaine on a little bit, and maybe Ray Pohlman (and I think Jan Berry) on one song.  I'd love for c-man, JH, or SaltyMarshmallow to correct me if I'm wrong, though.

It's Mike playing saxophone on "The Rocking Surfer". IIRC, it's blaring away in the background, but only present via room mics. That would be because the original drum track, with Dennis playing, was replaced by a different drum performance, and the sax was also on that original drum track. Not sure who the replacement drummer is, but it sounds too "garage-y" to be a pro like Hal...and I'm thinking it might actually be Carl!

But yes, the saxophones on "Our Carl Club" are played by studio pros (likely Steve and Jay), and the drumming there is Hal. Mike's sister Maureen plays harp on "Catch A Wave" and "Hawaii", Hal plays timbales on "Hawaii", and the track for "Surfer Moon" is Brian, Bob Norberg, Ray Pohlman, Hal, and a string arrangement that is reportedly Bob Norberg's, but transcribed by Jan Berry. Pretty sure everything else on the album is the Boys' playing.
137  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Carl, 23 years ago today on: February 06, 2021, 05:33:37 PM
Indeed!
138  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Great 1985 footage on: February 05, 2021, 06:23:38 PM
How much do we know about the '82 version of "California Calling"?
139  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Great 1985 footage on: February 03, 2021, 05:26:04 AM
Steve Levine posted these vids on the Twitter listening party for the '85 album the other day. Shame the part with Gary Moore detailing his gear set up is sans audio, but dig his animated facial expressions while playing that part on "Maybe I Don't Know"!

We've always been led to believe that the group recorded almost all their vocals separately for this album, but this footage and a couple of still photos that Steve posted show that there WAS some old-school "together" singing, as well!
140  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al, Y-Day at the Hollywood Bowl, and a mysterious Gibson SG... on: February 02, 2021, 05:23:42 AM
Yeah if you read Peter guralnick’s definitive two volume Elvis biography you might recall that he discusses that when Elvis played in Houston in early 1970 he was baffled when he came to rehearsal and saw monitors onstage. The young promoters were astounded that he had never used them-meaning these 1970 shows were apparently the first time Elvis and his band could ever hear themselves onstage while they were playing. Elvis was quite excited that day by this.



Which leads to Scotty Moore's famous line, that they where the only band that was literally directed by an ass  Grin

Regarding the Beach Boys' early live recordings, I'm a big fan of those. The Brian-years are rocking and quite impressive if you listen to the Sacramento and Chicago recordings and imo those could've been released without a lot of after work. 

Not to mention their rendition of Ray Charles' "What'd I Say" from the early '64 Australian tour...man, that kicks booty!
141  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any infos on Ron Brown? on: February 02, 2021, 05:20:06 AM
I'd love to know more if anyone finds anything. Ron's an interesting anomaly for the frequent studio work he did over about a month followed by... nothing at all. It feels noteworthy that he was playing on records at that early stage while Daryl Dragon seemingly wasn't for another year.

What do we know for sure about his involvement, session-wise? Darlin' and Time to Get Alone (via AFM), I Was Made to Love Her (via Bruce), probably Here Comes the Night going only by the sound of it, and I would assume Lonely Days for that reason too. Carl's bass playing on the basic track clearly isn't what survived to the master. Likewise Honey Get Home for the tone, and possibly that Been Way Too Long organ tag. Cool Water shares a date with HCTN but could just as easily be Carl.

Have Bruce or any of the others spoken about how/why he came to play on those tracks?

In his 2017 WH sessionography (from the ESQ that I’ve misplaced), c-man credited HCTN to Ron Brown. The others I don’t know obviously, other than c-man credits CCW to Carl. I’ve always had a hard time hearing a bass (that wasn’t a Moog) on CCW.

I believe the way I worded the HCTN credits was: Basic track was piano (Brian), probably with overdubs of bass (Ron Brown), guitar (Carl), and drums (Dennis)
The "probably" is there because we can't be certain, but that's what it sounds like. Smiley
142  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any infos on Ron Brown? on: February 02, 2021, 05:18:32 AM
Wasn't he bass on the 1967 Thanksgiving tour ... as documented on the A Vocal Element boot?


I think he's also at the UNICEF gala from December 1967:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIscI9NL_Y

Yes, with Joe Sample on piano.
143  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al, Y-Day at the Hollywood Bowl, and a mysterious Gibson SG... on: January 29, 2021, 05:52:10 AM
And THAT one shows the Bassman head behind Brian is in fact unplugged from the power line entirely...the plug is laying behind it. What a crazy setup!

Well, assuming that it's the Beach Boys' Bassman...the close proximity to Dennis implies that it is, but there's the Hammond organ to our left of the amp, which obviously is still onstage from being used by a different act on that bill. Its it possible that this Fender amp similarly belongs to another act, left onstage during the Beach Boys' set, and that Carl's and Al's amps are out of frame, to our right of Dennis?
144  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: January 28, 2021, 05:37:39 AM
Who plays drums on "airplane"

Brian Douglas Wilson.
145  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al, Y-Day at the Hollywood Bowl, and a mysterious Gibson SG... on: January 26, 2021, 04:59:28 AM
The SG is fretless??
146  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al, Y-Day at the Hollywood Bowl, and a mysterious Gibson SG... on: January 25, 2021, 06:35:34 PM
Perhaps the answer to "why" is this:  Dave has said that he announced his intention to leave sometime before he actually did, but the other guys didn't believe him (possibly Murray, neither). So maybe Al showed up, expecting to play bass like he usually did. Meanwhile, the Wilson clan realized Dave wasn't bluffing, forcing Brian to go to the gig and play bass at the last minute. Either that or, since it was a local gig, Brian planned to play it all along, and maybe Al showed up just to hang, and they all expected Dave to show. Either way, Al had to borrow someone else's guitar and plug into Carl's amp at the last minute.

So cool that we have documentation (photos AND an audio recording) of the first appearance of this new/old lineup...
147  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: January 24, 2021, 07:18:19 AM
Here's a very insignificant question. I'm a big fan of the Holland album (their best group effort imho) and the picture of Brian on the sleeve has always fascinated me. He looks troubled and lost, with his hair unkempt and that grumpy (?) look on his face. I've often wondered who decided to use this picture. This looks like a snapshot that was taken on a bad day. I've been wondering if it was a deliberate decision to use a picture of Brian that portrayed him as sort of "difficult"? Maybe in order to reinforce the "genius recluse" image?

Well, I would assume the pic was chosen by Reiley, as most of their career decisions at the time were made by him...
148  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sloop John B, Jimmie Honeycomb Rodgers, and Roulette Records on: January 24, 2021, 07:17:00 AM
Wow, amazing life and career he had - I remember his hits "Honeycomb", "Kisses Sweeter Than Wine", and (oddly, because I've never been to the U.K.) "English Country Garden" - thanks for providing all the info here. Sad to seem him pass, but glad he recovered, rebounded, and made more records later on!
149  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's vocal decline - when is it first noticeable to you? on: January 22, 2021, 05:25:21 AM
There's another one from April '78 that doesn't go around, called I Really Love You, and it's bizarre. It sounds like his MIU voice on sleeping pills.

Hmm, I always thought "I Really Love You" was an unreleased Carl tune for some reason. So it's a Brian tune with a Brian lead? And you've really heard it? Kinda nuts. Is it a ballad? By the sleeping pills reference I'm assuming it's a slow one.

You're probably thinking of "I'll Always Love You", a Barry Mann song recorded during the KTSA sessions, which features a Carl lead. Supposed to be really, really good.
150  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: January 19, 2021, 07:48:52 PM

As the set covers 1969-71, it technically encompasses what you might call "post-20/20" through So Tough. In terms of releases, this would be the "Break Away" single through So Tough. With regard to unreleased material, the "last Capitol album" (Fading Rock Group Revival, Reverberation, etc.) would be the earliest record. As portions of that record ultimately became Sunflower, it's fair to say Sunflower-So Tough ... but the problem with that description is that it excludes actual post-20/20 releases like "Break Away"/"Celebrate the News" and "Cottonfields".

IMO the best way to go next is for two sets: 1972-75 (the Holland-In Concert-Endless Summer era), then the Brian is Back-era (1976-77).  Worth noting that good portions of 15 Big Ones and Love You were actually cut 1973-75 ("Ding Dang", "It's OK", "Night Was So Young", "Back Home" etc.), so that would create a kind of interesting feel on these releases.

Huh, The Night Was So Young? Not that one.

I like those ideas for coverage. It'd probably be necessary if annual digital releases are becoming less stable. Alan expressed interest in doing a "Brian's Back" box semi-recently, which in his mind would cover 15 Big Ones to MIU. The MIU sessions are vast in of themselves and could potentially dilute a deserved focus on the 15BO-LY-AC trilogy, but I'm not sure how else you'd do it with the next phase being the CBS albums. Can't imagine an MIU boxset on its own selling.

I’m certain “Night Was So Young” was documented as having been recorded in 1974 somewhere, but can’t find a reference online. Certainly it could not have been part of the Love You sessions proper- it has a totally different sonic imprint.

MIU would be included in a 1976-77 release. Not sure what they added in ‘78 if anything, but the core sessions were fall ‘77. By 1978, we’re into the Caribou era- which IMO would be pretty tough to chronicle as a a marketable package. At least “Good Timin” would go on the ‘72-‘75 release.

Donny, "The Night Was So Young" might have been written around '75 (it's reportedly about Debbie Kiel), but it was definitely recorded in '76 or early '77. For one thing, it's a 24-track recording, whereas everything from '74 is 16-track. "Winds Of Change" and "Come Go With Me" from MIUwere finished in '78, so there was a little bit of overlap there with the early L.A. era.
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