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351  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Seems to be what Al was hinting at was a BBs family & friends reunion... on: April 09, 2019, 05:27:54 PM

Maybe I can still keep my fingers crossed for a BBs reunion! Grin

Hope so; I was disappointed when I saw this too.  Still a good show but as someone who wasn't up-to-date and diving into the catalogue in 2012 as he has over the past year or so, I'm really hoping for a "C60"-type tour/album.
352  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Help Identifying a Song on: April 09, 2019, 05:04:28 AM
Hm, figured sendspace is user-friendliest, easiest site to d/l music...guess not.

Quote
Any way you could post to instaudio (or whatever it's called) because that doesn't have tons of pop-ups/ads/viruses.
Link?

https://instaud.io/
353  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Help Identifying a Song on: April 04, 2019, 02:50:21 PM
Is it actually a Christmas song?  Because there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x6ZS_VAAOA
I asked the question, not JK. Listen to sendpace link I shared. It doesn't sound like the song you brought. When you listen, maybe *you* will identify it.

I wasn't able to listen to it where I was at the time and thought I'd make a guess; still can't get it to play though.  Any way you could post to instaudio (or whatever it's called) because that doesn't have tons of pop-ups/ads/viruses.

Also, I did know you asked the question, but I thought I'd continue the conversation to expand on what JK had said.
354  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Help Identifying a Song on: April 03, 2019, 05:52:14 AM
Blah, looks like song detecting failed. Tape's muddy, you know? Impossible to get you to hear it. It's guy singing melody Elvis Presley-like (similar style to "That's Alright Mama"). But besides, it got Christmas festive vibe, cheerful, there's lalalas near the end, short piano bit & ends with guy saying "Let's go!".

Did these cues bring to brains any song? Hello, people?

Hello, RR. I don't know about anyone else but I shall keep it in mind. I can't do any more than that, I'm afraid. Wink

So it might be Elvis if the tape's muddy. Or is it clearly someone else? More cues, please--the more the merrier. Cheesy

Is it actually a Christmas song?  Because there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x6ZS_VAAOA
355  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: February 28, 2019, 06:53:14 PM
I saw them in Fort Myers last night for the second time (previous visit was the December 2016 Xmas show) and would say:

Positives - I thought Brian Eichenberger was excellent on Don't Worry Baby. I loved the arrangement of In My Room and I think Bruce still does Disney Girls pretty well. The rhythm section is great and John Cowsill really pounds out those beats. Randy Leago plays a mean sax. Nine musicians on stage means you always get plenty of volume, but Totten also brings some subtlety to the arrangements (In My Room being the supreme example).

Neutral - Mike and Bruce deserve to be cut some slack at their age. Their voices are surviving better than Brian's, which was totally shot in Xmas show I saw. Exposing themselves to Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring a capella takes some balls, although Eichenberger carries that song to a large degree.

Negatives - Mike's solo stuff, which nobody wanted to hear, and the very ordinary lead of his son Christian on God Only Knows. Jeff's absence (which Mike didn't even acknowledge) affected some tunes such as 'Surfer Girl'. The setlist was predictably no-risk so we didn't even get Heroes and Villains. Mike is still milking 'Pisces Brother' and Pet Sounds 50th like he was in Dec 16, and I felt there was a subtext to his highlighting that Carl W and George Harrison both died from lung cancer (why mention it?).

Mike's movement - yes, he's down to a shuffle and I can foresee him needing more breaks like the one he takes during Disney Girls. Bruce is not doing much on the keyboards AFAIK (more of a prop these days?).

I thought it was worth the night out but I doubt I will need to see the band again, whereas Brian's band remains essential even if he's mostly just sitting there, provided he still wants to be sitting there.

Wait...how long have I been out of the loop...Brian Eichenberger's back and Foskett's gone?Huh

I was thinking the same thing. Though, I thought I heard that Foskett had some illness and didn't take leads recently.

That I remember too.  But still confused about the rest.  Has anyone else seen a recent M&B show to confirm this?
356  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: February 27, 2019, 06:21:38 PM
I saw them in Fort Myers last night for the second time (previous visit was the December 2016 Xmas show) and would say:

Positives - I thought Brian Eichenberger was excellent on Don't Worry Baby. I loved the arrangement of In My Room and I think Bruce still does Disney Girls pretty well. The rhythm section is great and John Cowsill really pounds out those beats. Randy Leago plays a mean sax. Nine musicians on stage means you always get plenty of volume, but Totten also brings some subtlety to the arrangements (In My Room being the supreme example).

Neutral - Mike and Bruce deserve to be cut some slack at their age. Their voices are surviving better than Brian's, which was totally shot in Xmas show I saw. Exposing themselves to Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring a capella takes some balls, although Eichenberger carries that song to a large degree.

Negatives - Mike's solo stuff, which nobody wanted to hear, and the very ordinary lead of his son Christian on God Only Knows. Jeff's absence (which Mike didn't even acknowledge) affected some tunes such as 'Surfer Girl'. The setlist was predictably no-risk so we didn't even get Heroes and Villains. Mike is still milking 'Pisces Brother' and Pet Sounds 50th like he was in Dec 16, and I felt there was a subtext to his highlighting that Carl W and George Harrison both died from lung cancer (why mention it?).

Mike's movement - yes, he's down to a shuffle and I can foresee him needing more breaks like the one he takes during Disney Girls. Bruce is not doing much on the keyboards AFAIK (more of a prop these days?).

I thought it was worth the night out but I doubt I will need to see the band again, whereas Brian's band remains essential even if he's mostly just sitting there, provided he still wants to be sitting there.

Wait...how long have I been out of the loop...Brian Eichenberger's back and Foskett's gone?Huh
357  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: funny Beach Boys art on: February 16, 2019, 12:43:32 PM
You know that that photo was removed from a BB group on FB because it’s too political and the guy that posted it was banned. Everybody in the comments were way too sensitive too.
358  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The return of the "What are you listening to now?" thread on: December 19, 2018, 09:50:07 AM
First sit-down show from Elvis Presley's '68 Comeback Special - June 27, 1968.
359  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did I read that Brian sold his vote to Mike in 78 or 79? on: December 17, 2018, 08:40:36 AM
From what I remember reading on Wikipedia, after the band split in September 1977, Brian's vote deferred to Mike.
360  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 10, 2018, 05:01:21 PM
I haven’t read through the whole thread so I don’t know if anyone else has said it but man, Dennis’s vocal on “All I Want to Do” is far superior to Mike.  Should have put this version on the original album! https://youtu.be/5OK0rEvqHDQ

I'm curious to know the reasoning why Mike was chosen as the lead vocalist over the original Dennis vocal.  Mike's is sorta interesting, unlike anything else he's ever done, but objectively I just don't think it's as strong as Denny's, and I wonder if Denny just didn't have the self confidence to release that type of vocal for himself at that point, or what the reason was.
On the newly released take 2 with Dennis singing, there is actually a part from Mike that ended up on the released version, so I wonder if Mike was always going to be featured on the song somehow.

It's funny you say that because I swore I heard Mike after listening to it a few times, and I thought if I mentioned it here I would be told I was going crazy
361  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Listened today to Come Go With Me & realized BBs sing it better on: October 07, 2018, 09:33:28 AM
Is anyone else besides Al actually singing on the Beach Boys version?  I always assumed Al did all the vocals on it...

From the track sheets, and from Al's recollections, the other guys do indeed sing on it, but it's obviously mostly Al in the mix, especially in the intro, which sounds to be ALL Al.
One of the "You never give me a chance" bits sounds like Al, the other like Mike. Multiple background parts are listed on the track sheet as being Al (including multiple doubled intro parts), but there are some tracks designated as just "background" parts, which could be the whole group, and Mike is also listed by name on a track.


Thanks for that.  According to the irrefutable Wikipedia, Carl and Mike are also in the vocal mix.  However to these ears, the harmonies sound like an army of Als. 

That edit was mine. I thought Mike was one of the bass parts on the bridge, or I read that online somewhere. I dont remember why I put Carl -- either I read it somewhere or maybe I was thinking of Peggy Sue and mixing the two together (probably the latter).
362  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Marks Arrested on: July 29, 2018, 08:22:58 AM
I'm just glad that nobody's asked Mike Love to comment on the matter.


I can just see it now....

"You know the Wilsons used all these drugs. My cousin Brian is controlled, Dennis was a horrible person who couldn't handle day-to-day living, and Carl fell off a stage in Australia because of his addictions. And now David Marks getting arrested after he got beat up by his wife...such a disgrace. No need to worry about us: Bruce and I are clean."
363  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: July 25, 2018, 01:33:02 PM
And regarding Jerry Schilling, and this also plays back into previous discussions of what's going on with the archives and what *should* be put out, etc., let me point out what I can only presume many folks don't know:

It should be noted that Jerry Schilling being considered and voted in as BRI President were both due to several years worth of work behind the scenes by Howie Edelson.

It's early days still for Schilling's tenure at BRI, and already things are improving ("Sunshine Tomorrow", the two epic digital "Sunshine" follow-ups, Schilling getting these guys in the same room!).

Unlike C50 where the sort of inherent momentum of the anniversary seemed (at least in part) to move that project into focus, Schilling must have been key to get all five of these guys back together...those items are strong indicators that Schilling was a smart pick and he can move things in a direction that others in the past haven't. I'm glad Howie worked this behind the scenes.

Do we know how long he's been BRI president? Does this date back to September 2012?

What would make it worthwhile for me is for the get together to go well with no bad vibes, that they leave on good terms. That could possibly help heal a bit of the post C50 stuff.

What are the odds of that?

I'm Catholic. I'll start praying to St Jude (patron saint of hopeless causes)  Grin

I completely misread that as “ praying to Hey Jude” LOL

I was waiting for that joke; if not, I was going to make it myself.  Angry
364  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Was Back in the USSR the 1st Beach Boys parody? on: July 23, 2018, 03:54:55 PM
I'm trying to think if there's an earlier example by any other band that directly is a parody of The Beach Boys?

Certainly many bands had been influenced by The Beach Boys at that point, and had copied/lifted or done covers/homages to the band in some sort... but I feel like Back in the USSR might be the 1st parody/joke version committed to tape. Does anyone know?

Separately, can anyone break down the vocal parts on Back to the USSR (the Beach Boys part)?

Who is singing the "dow dow dow" Mike Love-esque parts?
And who's singing the Brian falsetto?

"Mike" is John
"Brian" is Paul and/or George (I'm pretty sure it's Paul, maybe a mix, but can't remember off the top of my head)
365  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: July 20, 2018, 09:30:37 AM
What was the reason/s that Rick Fataar and Blondie Chaplin left the group?

From what I've read,

Blondie left because of an issue with one of Mike Love's brothers (I think Steve) supposedly used a racial slur when referring to him/talking to him and I think there was one other issue.

Ricky supposedly left to join Joe Walsh's band Barnstorm. Can't remember whether Endless Summer was a factor, but I thought the lack of proper recording was something that angered him. I've never understood the Barnstork thing because I've never found any evidence that Ricky joined Barnstorm because I believe Barnstorm break up either later that year.
366  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Keepin' the Summer Alive Lead Guitar/Bass Tabs on: July 19, 2018, 03:47:20 PM
Hi everyone,

I was just wondering if anyone happened to have lead guitar or bass tabs for the song KTSA. It doesn't matter if it's based off the studio or live versions; just love the uncredited (studio)/Joe Chemay or Ed Carter (live) bass and Joe Walsh (studio)/Carl Wilson (live) parts!
367  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: July 18, 2018, 10:00:56 PM
Fourthded (also not a word)
368  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: July 16, 2018, 11:15:30 AM
Did anyone go yesterday, wondering how he was now that his back is fixed.

Was going to ask the same thing... apparently not going to see the shows is a bad thing and we should all know instead of sitting “agape querieing one another re: "what happened last night?"” and post the setlist from setlist fm. Better quit my job and attend every show!  Roll Eyes

In all seriousness, I’m happy that he’s back at it and he’s looking great . Back issues are certainly no joke at any age.

Does anyone know how long his back had been hurting him? Wondering if it affected the show I saw if him in September.
369  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why did BB sidemen after Blondie + Ricki not attain Official Member Status too? on: July 10, 2018, 04:12:23 PM
Scott Matthews did some session drumming in the KTSA era in particular. But I'm pretty incredulous about the idea that he was offered Dennis's full spot in the band. He didn't even drum on all of KTSA as I recall. I find it odd they were going to fully fire Dennis Wilson *and* Bobby Figueroa and bring in Matthews as a full creative force in the band. Sounds fishy to me.

I've seen some cases where Matthews's Beach Boys-related resume has been kind of overblown. I can't remember if it's his wiki page or somewhere else where he's given credit for the nearly 20-years-later idea to do a "Pet Sounds" tour because he mentioned it to someone in the band in like 1983 one time or something.
Wasn’t Scott Mathews offered Dennis’s spot and declined?

and honestly I can’t see anybody else being The Beach Boys but Brian Wilson, Dennis Wilson, Carl Wilson, Mike Love, Alan Jardine, Bruce Johnston, David Marks, Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar.

Although great musicians and nice guys the rest are supporting musicians. Simple as that.

Could it be possible that Mathews was offered the job when Dennis died and his denial was why they turned to Kowalski (with some help from Figueroa)?

None of that seems to line up with what we know. Kowalski was back in the touring band in 1982, as basically the back-up/understudy for Dennis. They toured with two full drum kits on stage, and Kowalski would back up Dennis on drums when Dennis was present, and then of course drummed on his own when Dennis wasn't present.

Kowalski came back as the backup drummer when Bobby Figueroa had to leave for a time.

Scott Matthews never toured with the Beach Boys; he was a studio guy. By 1983, the band was essentially mostly just a touring act. It makes even less sense that Matthews got an offer in 1983/84 after Dennis's death. All they needed was a drummer for live shows, and Kowalski had already been doing it on his own in the months leading up to Dennis's death. By 1984 Bobby Figueroa was back and he and Kowalski switched off on drums/percussion for another 3-4 years or so before Kowalski took over full time.

It's not even out of reverence for Dennis or an assumption for reverence for Dennis on the part of the other band members that leads me to believe that an actual offer for "full" band membership to Matthews in 1980 or 84 was totally antithetical to how the band operated at the time.

You can see as time went on in the 80s and 90s that they moved away from making other members "official" full-fledged members, and were happy to just have any guys on stage as hired guns (including Bruce himself). If they weren't offering "full" membership to Hinsche in the 70s or Foskett in the 80s, I don't buy that they'd offer full membership to one of *many* session drummers used in that mid-late 70s time frame, one that was *less* involved in the studio than even other "sidemen" had been over the years. They weren't even co-writing stuff with Matthews as they did with Altbach. I'd argue guys like Hinsche, Foskett, and even Adrian Baker were as prominent if not more so in the studio than Matthews ever was.

I can't say anything for certain obviously, and the BBs were and are weird enough that I wouldn't find it too far fetched that some random member off-handedly suggested to Matthews that he join full-time. I mean, read in the Stebbins/Marks book how weird many of the guys in the band got about considering adding David Marks back to the band in 1971. Marks describes Bruce being weird, Carl also being kind of weird, and the whole thing seemed kind of passive-aggressive and ramshackle. And even in *that* case, I'm not sure they were even offering Marks a truly *full-fledged* membership in the band. It sounds like they wanted to just have him play bass in the touring band and possibly slowly ease him into more or a role in the band.

I knew Mathews was just a studio guy but was just trying to think of some possible way that his story was correct. Your last idea (one of the BBs saying it off-handedly) makes a lot of sense and probably could have been what happened. I knew about the other history but just thought of a possibility.
370  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: July 10, 2018, 01:50:55 PM
They've previously been dipping into the "grey market" Carl Wilson 1981 live releases, and just a little bit ago they played "It's About Time" from the similar grey area Fillmore '71 set:



I heard that today too. After that I heard a request where a guy mentioned that he saw the band twice: "1988 and in 1997, on Brian's last summer tour." The request was for "Darlin.'"
371  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why did BB sidemen after Blondie + Ricki not attain Official Member Status too? on: July 10, 2018, 01:47:16 PM
Scott Matthews did some session drumming in the KTSA era in particular. But I'm pretty incredulous about the idea that he was offered Dennis's full spot in the band. He didn't even drum on all of KTSA as I recall. I find it odd they were going to fully fire Dennis Wilson *and* Bobby Figueroa and bring in Matthews as a full creative force in the band. Sounds fishy to me.

I've seen some cases where Matthews's Beach Boys-related resume has been kind of overblown. I can't remember if it's his wiki page or somewhere else where he's given credit for the nearly 20-years-later idea to do a "Pet Sounds" tour because he mentioned it to someone in the band in like 1983 one time or something.
Wasn’t Scott Mathews offered Dennis’s spot and declined?

and honestly I can’t see anybody else being The Beach Boys but Brian Wilson, Dennis Wilson, Carl Wilson, Mike Love, Alan Jardine, Bruce Johnston, David Marks, Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar.

Although great musicians and nice guys the rest are supporting musicians. Simple as that.

Could it be possible that Mathews was offered the job when Dennis died and his denial was why they turned to Kowalski (with some help from Figueroa)?
372  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Touring Lineups on: July 05, 2018, 11:54:13 AM
Forgive me if it's mentioned in an earlier post I missed, but shouldn't Mark Groseclose be listed in one of the very early 1963 lineups, having subbed for DW on a few shows whilst he recovered from an injured foot ?

Thanks, I just added him and will look for the specific dates later. Completely overlooked him.
373  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Touring Lineups on: July 03, 2018, 03:23:27 PM
Not sure if Wikipedia mentions it, but Taylor Mills also sang with the band (at a show in New York state, I believe). "Marcella", I think - as well as the encore.

Wikipedia does mention her; I must have left her out.
374  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out?? on: July 03, 2018, 03:22:26 PM
Hope the Fred Vail country album will be part of the material.

I thought that was recorded in 1970?
375  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Touring Lineups on: July 02, 2018, 08:17:12 PM
Reviving a dormant thread with some questions about C50. I didn't see any of the shows so I wouldn't know, but (these are from Wikipedia)

1. What songs did Mike D'Amico play drums on?
2. What songs did Probyn Gregory play bass on?
3. When did Tim Bonhomme occasionally play keyboards?
4. When did Billy Hinsche and Bobby Figueroa appear as special guests?

1. Pretty much the ones that Brian's band had been doing, but Mike's had not (Marcella, This Whole World, Pet Sounds, etc.)
2. The ones that Mike D'Amico played drums on. Smiley Except for Pet Sounds - Scotty T. played bass on that one, 'cause Probyn was needed on the trumpet.
3. Didn't know that he did, but he was there as one of the tour managers. Not surprised if he did play some keyboards at some point, though.
4. Not sure - Billy was at the California show(s) where the band's kids opened for them (where they called California Saga? can't remember)...



Thanks c-man. I had heard Billy Hinsche played with California Saga but for the rest I'm just going with Wikipedia for now until I can find some better info. Wasn't sure how deep some of those songs were for Cowsill.
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