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301  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 26, 2019, 07:03:27 PM
I can't find it on Spotify.

I also can’t find it.
302  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The potential success (or lack therof) of the aborted Lei'd in Hawaii album on: December 23, 2019, 10:02:18 PM
Upon re-reading the liner notes of my CD copy of Sunshine Tomorrow (gotta love physical media!), I was reminded of the odd fact that the aborted Lei'd in Hawaii album was going to have canned audience clapping for the tracks they were trying to "fake" as being live tracks.

- Are there other examples in this era of other bands doing this type of thing for a big batch of songs on an album? Not just talking about a bit of studio "touch up" on a live track, but full-on faked live songs on a live album?

I’m pretty sure that I’ve read that the Four Seasons did this (and some other groups too, but that’s the only name I completely remember).

Also, how could they have released this without finished/any vocals (i.e. Barbara Ann and I believe Surfin’)?
303  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Campfire Acoustic Session :Endless Summer TV Series on: December 21, 2019, 08:16:22 PM
(Sssshhh.....keep it quiet but still available in NZ)

Wait maybe I was wrong it seems to be working now. I must have clicked on another one of my almost 200 open tabs and assumed it was this one that got pulled for copyright. Carry on.  Grin
304  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Campfire Acoustic Session :Endless Summer TV Series on: December 21, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
Well the clip’s finally down...I guess I deserve it; waiting too long and not watching it.
305  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Johnny Carson, track from Love You on: December 16, 2019, 01:08:32 PM
From my memory, it's Carl. 
306  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Whole World ~ isolated guitars recreation video on: December 12, 2019, 12:15:38 PM
Here's a question on the This Whole World guitars: do we think any others were added later? I've seen some mention of Carl overdubbing a 12-string, but having scrutinised it that to me just sounds like the piano.

I thought the only guitars on the final master were part of Jerry Cole's guitar, and Carl's overdubbed 12-string.
307  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: December 07, 2019, 02:21:21 PM
Ehhh....no.

 ‘This concert will not feature Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, or David Marks.’

https://www.hollywoodbowl.com/musicdb/artists/7263/the-beach-boys



A lot of the concerts have that listed now. Very interesting. Random off-topic point: does anyone know why David Marks hasn’t done anything with either group in a while (other than the SiriusXM thing) before/after his health scare?
308  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who Produced Susie Cincinatti? on: December 06, 2019, 08:43:29 AM
C-man and aejitzsche,

Is it possible that Carl overdubbed some guitar too or that Al played two parts? Every time I listen to the master I swear I hear rhythm and lead guitar. And if most of the parts from the original sessions were replaced, when did these overdub sessions likely happen, 1969-70-71 or 1975-76?

Thanks ahead of time for your expertise! Love to hear the band playing some rock and roll.
309  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Christmas Songs Without Christmas Lyrics on: December 02, 2019, 05:56:37 PM
"Dance, Dance, Dance"'s sleigh bells are fairly Christmasey to my ears.

When I was younger I used to think The Beatles' "Oh Darling!" was a Christmas song (I think the local oldies stations I listened to played it more for some reason around November/December) and I occasionally have to remind myself that it's not.  Cheesy
310  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018/2019 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour (& Other Dates) on: November 17, 2019, 10:42:26 AM
Does anyone with any insight know how much it costs to book Al for one of these shows? I talked to a local booking organizer at a small concert venue near me which I think would be perfect for Al. He said they looked into it but it would be too expensive for them to get. (They practically act as non-profit.)
311  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: October 02, 2019, 01:49:15 PM


It's been said before, but it's completely fascinating just how many seemingly separate fanbases the BBs seem to have.



I agree!

When my fiancee and I went to Warped Tour in 2018, I wore my C50 shirt. She thought it was the lamest thing ever until I got compliment after compliment on it.

I love this story.

Discussion of deep cuts brings to mind the Brian/band Pet Sounds show I saw in Williamsburg, Brooklyn 3 years ago. Brian was one of the headliners on a very eclectic music festival of youngish indie bands. The show was sold out, all standing room/general admission, with seemingly every inch of space taken. The hipsterish crowd averaged 20s-to-40s, quite young for a Brian crowd, and (as Howie Edelson noted in amazement at the time) they were crazy into the Pet Sounds material, even singing along on some of the fairly unusual cuts. I wonder if any of that younger crowd made it to the "1968" show last week? The folks last week on average looked more like you'd expect at a Brian show, roughly a generation older.

It's been said before, but it's completely fascinating just how many seemingly separate fanbases the BBs seem to have.



I'd put myself in the age group, maybe not the hipster part though, and say that I wished I was able to see this but Brian didn't come close enough for me to go, sadly.  Haven't heard the Friends album yet, partly because I wanted to digest most of it (already heard Friends, Little Bird, Wake the World) in a sitting once I found a vinyl copy (I'm strangely old-school).  After all, Brian, Al, Matt, and Blondie got me into the Wild Honey songs when they played about half that album during the PS show I saw.  Especially because Brian didn't have a particularly good night for my show and most of these '68 shows, especially those that were closest to me, but not close enough, supposedly had good performances from Brian.
312  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Aug. 8th 1980 - \ on: September 12, 2019, 06:37:41 PM
I read on wikipedia that Dennis was an uncredited co-arranger for the strings on "Lady Lynda". First time I ever heard that. Is there any truth to that?

Al mentioned in an interview that Dennis "helped" him "with the track." What exactly that constitutes wasn't made clear. I don't know if it would rise to the level of co-arranger.

From Al's 2000 Goldmine interview:

How did you come up with the idea for the classical-sounding introduction to "Lady Lynda"?

A friend of mine, Ron Altbach, he and I decided to write something together. I was familiar with his love of classical music. I was at the Johann Sebastian Bach festival up here in Carmel which happens every summer up here. I heard that beautiful piece sung at the Mission Cathedral here in Carmel. Gorgeous piece. It's called "Jesu Joy Of Man's Desiring." It was written for the church. When I heard that movement I went, "My God, that's too heavy! Maybe I can start the song with this thing." [laughs] Ron is such a great player that it just worked. We had to hire a classical guy to play an absolutely beautiful harpsichord that was brought in just for the occasion. It was a monster session with a 26-string orchestra, the harpsichord. Harry Betts arranged the strings. I can't remember if Dennis played the drums. Dennis helped me with the track. We played it live at a couple of places before we recorded it. I think he played drums. I did that 12-string guitar. It was a beautiful 12-string guitar that I still have. It would have worked better if it had been on my own album, but it certainly worked. We always seemed to be five people making five different albums on the same album.


I'm curious if C-Man or anybody else can chime in on who played drums on the final released version of the song. It's worth noting that even when Dennis was on tour, Bobby Figueroa usually drummed on the song (and, if I'm recalling correctly, Kowalski on the 1978 Australia dates). 

C-man has credited Bobby Figueroa with the drums on th master. It is among one of the many credits I have been adding to Wikipedia to correct and expand it. Going on the LA wiki page gives this reference:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,21772.25.html
313  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mark Linett's \ on: August 24, 2019, 10:47:22 AM
Don't get me thinking about a reunion that's not fair.

I'm pretty sure this will be about some sort of sunflower era release

Agreed. Especially with the state of Brian’s shows (sadly), though I would shell out the money if another reunion happened.

I’d be fine with either, or both.

NB: Maybe another reunion would re-energize Brian’s performances, not that I expect to happen though.
314  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: August 15, 2019, 06:56:31 PM
Am I the only one who doesn’t hear Carl supposedly say “shunshine” during Soulful Old Man Sunshine?

You don't hear it at 2:08?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcS8MmrYoYY

Ok, I hear it now. Never knew it only happened one time. Thought Carl sang that every time. And he vetoed its release because of one word? Crazy.
315  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: August 12, 2019, 11:21:04 AM
Am I the only one who doesn’t hear Carl supposedly say “shunshine” during Soulful Old Man Sunshine?
316  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 09, 2019, 06:20:26 PM
As a one off tribute deal? Sure, but I don’t think the numbers would stack up for anything ongoing. Brian has ‘legend’ status due to his work. Al, by far the best voice still going, doesn’t. I think Al has hit the sweet spot tour wise with his story teller theme.

Just curious to hear others’ ideas and thought maybe Al’s demand would increase if Brian wasn’t touring.

Does anyone think that if Brian did stop touring, there would be enough of a market for a second BB band for Al (and Blondie and/or David Marks, because he occasionally has done shows with Al) to continue on with part of Brian’s band and Al’s 2-piece Storytellers Band?

Lineup as such:
Al - vocals, guitars, banjo, double bass
Blondie - vocals, guitars, tambourine?, bass?
David - vocals, guitars (optional, because he hasn’t done many shows outside of 1997-1999 and 2012-2013)
Matt Jardine - vocals, percussion, guitar
Jeff Alan Ross - backing vocals, keyboards (optional, probably too many people already)
Billy Hinsche - vocals, keyboards, vibes, guitars
Darian - vocals, keyboards, vibes, tannerin (assuming it’s owned by Brian and not Probyn, and could be loaned), percussion
Ed Carter or Mike D’Amico - bass
Bobby Figueroa or Mike D’Amico - drums
Paul von Mertens - saxophones, flutes, harmonicas

I would go to this show. I saw Al live earlier this year, and it was great. I'm going to an M+B show later this month. I haven't gone to a Brian Wilson show since 2016, and after hearing clips of Brian singing live over the last three years, I think it would take a last tour announcement for me to go back.

Agreed. Unfortunately I missed Al this year (I was in Nashville when he came fairly close to me). I’ve seen M&B in 2015 and I will again and I will again in a week or so. I’ve seen Brian, Al, and Blondie in 2017 (Al was great, disappointed with Brian because the most recent performances I had heard were from C50, and happy with Blondie’s singing but the solos were too long for me — but it did help me get introduced to Wild Honey and Feel Flows)

I don’t know what I’ll do for a Brian show. I think it’d have to be extremely close for me to go again...I considered going to a rescheduled PS date which will be next year but decided against it because of the fairly long drive...that being said, I would love to see the new Something Great from 68 show. Maybe I can catch a train to NYC to see the Beacon show.
317  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 09, 2019, 03:39:12 PM
Does anyone think that if Brian did stop touring, there would be enough of a market for a second BB band for Al (and Blondie and/or David Marks, because he occasionally has done shows with Al) to continue on with part of Brian’s band and Al’s 2-piece Storytellers Band?

Lineup as such:
Al - vocals, guitars, banjo, double bass
Blondie - vocals, guitars, tambourine?, bass?
David - vocals, guitars (optional, because he hasn’t done many shows outside of 1997-1999 and 2012-2013)
Matt Jardine - vocals, percussion, guitar
Jeff Alan Ross - backing vocals, keyboards (optional, probably too many people already)
Billy Hinsche - vocals, keyboards, vibes, guitars
Darian - vocals, keyboards, vibes, tannerin (assuming it’s owned by Brian and not Probyn, and could be loaned), percussion
Ed Carter or Mike D’Amico - bass
Bobby Figueroa or Mike D’Amico - drums
Paul von Mertens - saxophones, flutes, harmonicas
318  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: July 31, 2019, 08:11:28 PM
I saw someone on here saying he produced Getcha Back...but i thought he just co-wrote it and Levine produced the whole album? Did he actually produce it or did someone just mis-speak on here? Wikipedia says Levine produced the song...could be wrong tho

I think they were arguing that he co-produced the song because of the way he helped with the vocals and getting the falsetto part out of Brian, etc.
319  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: July 31, 2019, 12:32:32 PM
Anyways, anybody in the know *cough* c-man *cough* aware of whether Brian was heavily involved in this one or not? I would be surprised to learn if he wasn't. Actually in general I kinda wonder about Brian's participation on KTSA. He's obviously much more audible then he was on L.A. (Light Album) but I wonder if he was involved much instrumentally or vocally especially on the songs he didn't write.

Yes, and yes.
If it was Brian's idea to record a cover, then he was heavily involved instrumentally and vocally, and probably arrangement-wise: besides "Da Do Ron Ron", examples from those sessions are "School Days", "Little Girl", "Jamaica Farewell", "Stranded In The Jungle" (Brian actually produced the basic tracks for those four, under Bruce's "supervision", a few months before the bulk of the sessions started), "Johnny B. Goode", and "Smokey Places". Two that he apparently WASN'T involved with (at least instrumentally) were "I'll Always Love You" and the Bruce-driven re-recording of "Johnny B. Goode" two weeks after the Brian-driven original.


Holy sh!t! There were two versions of Johnny B. Goode? I want to hear both of them. One of those had Dennis on drums and was probably the last time Dennis played on a Beach Boys session. I think his other contribution was some percussion on Endless Harmony.
Do you know who played on the two JBG's, c-man? And in case you've heard them, could you describe what they sound like?


Johnny # 1:
Brian, Bruce, Mike Meros (keyboards), Carl (guitar), Dennis (drums), Gary Mallaber (drums), Bill House (guitar), Jerry Scheff (bass)

Johnny # 2:
John Hobbs (keyboards), Steve Ross (guitars), Bill House (guitar), Bryan Garofalo (bass), Ricky Fataar (drums)

I have not heard either version.


Thank you! Oh man, I would love to hear Carl play with Jerry Scheff!

Agreed.

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Can't blame him for not coming up with anything useful for "Goin' to the beach". What a lousy song.

I know I should hate it but I like it better than most of Mike’s other stuff I’ve heard post-Holland.
320  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: July 31, 2019, 12:26:02 PM
How many sessions did Ricky play on after departing in 1974? Or was that a one off?

Wiki, which I know we all know is far from perfect, credits Fataar as playing drums on the title track "Keepin' the Summer Alive" and then also "Sunshine." Its citation loops back to a thread on this board, but I can't find the specific citation for those tracks, only a mention that Fataar is on several KTSA tracks.

I have been the Wiki editor in question...I’ve connected a lot of threads on this board to various topics and I remember there being some specific citation but maybe I forgot to mention it/misplaced the link.
321  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs that remind you of specific Beach Boys songs on: July 26, 2019, 07:19:44 PM
There’s a song from Toy Story that I’ve never been able to find the name of that reminds me of the verses from H&V and maybe if there was a little Billy Joel mixed into it equals this Randy Newman song.
322  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs that remind you of specific Beach Boys songs on: July 19, 2019, 06:25:02 PM
Cool idea for a topic, B.E.. The one that immediately springs to my mind is Culture Club's "Karma Chameleon". The first three notes sound pretty well identical in tempo, pitch and timbre to the first three notes of "You're So Good To Me" but after that the two songs don't sound like each other at all! LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmcA9LIIXWw

Ah, I hear it!

there's a song on the lennon "double fantasy" album... one part of it sounds like "don't worry baby" 's verse "but she looks in my eyes and makes me realise"     don't remember the title...

Yeah, a lot of people seem to make this connection. It's "but when I see you darling, it's like we both are" in "(Just Like) Starting Over".

Funny, as much as I love Just Like Starting Over and Don’t Worry Baby, I don’t think I’ve ever heard it like that, not that I, denying it exists, I’ve just never heard the connection.
323  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys references on new Panic! At The Disco track, \ on: July 11, 2019, 03:25:16 PM
Check out Panic's 2008 album "Pretty. Odd."

It's their tribute to 60's pop and psych music, Beatles and Beach Boys references everywhere. "Behind The Sea" is a personal favorite.

That’s the only album of theirs that I can listen to. I may be a millennial, but after that album, I only like the songs “Death of a Bachelor” and “Impossible Year” because of the Sinatra style.
324  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: July 10, 2019, 06:35:22 PM
Does anyone (C-man) have any idea who played on Rock and Roll to the Rescue? Is there any possible chance that Carl plays the acoustic? Or maybe Brian on keys because he was supposedly an uncredited (co-)producer?
325  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike The Melody Maker on: July 08, 2019, 06:36:54 PM
I’m hoping no one brings up Goin’ To The Beach. I do love the song, as sad as that sounds, and Mike may have had the idea and possibly the melody, but who added chords and backing vocal arrangements and then went uncredited? Brian.
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