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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The potential success (or lack therof) of the aborted Lei'd in Hawaii album
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on: December 23, 2019, 10:02:18 PM
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Upon re-reading the liner notes of my CD copy of Sunshine Tomorrow (gotta love physical media!), I was reminded of the odd fact that the aborted Lei'd in Hawaii album was going to have canned audience clapping for the tracks they were trying to "fake" as being live tracks.
- Are there other examples in this era of other bands doing this type of thing for a big batch of songs on an album? Not just talking about a bit of studio "touch up" on a live track, but full-on faked live songs on a live album?
I’m pretty sure that I’ve read that the Four Seasons did this (and some other groups too, but that’s the only name I completely remember). Also, how could they have released this without finished/any vocals (i.e. Barbara Ann and I believe Surfin’)?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who Produced Susie Cincinatti?
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on: December 06, 2019, 08:43:29 AM
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C-man and aejitzsche,
Is it possible that Carl overdubbed some guitar too or that Al played two parts? Every time I listen to the master I swear I hear rhythm and lead guitar. And if most of the parts from the original sessions were replaced, when did these overdub sessions likely happen, 1969-70-71 or 1975-76?
Thanks ahead of time for your expertise! Love to hear the band playing some rock and roll.
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Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Christmas Songs Without Christmas Lyrics
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on: December 02, 2019, 05:56:37 PM
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"Dance, Dance, Dance"'s sleigh bells are fairly Christmasey to my ears. When I was younger I used to think The Beatles' "Oh Darling!" was a Christmas song (I think the local oldies stations I listened to played it more for some reason around November/December) and I occasionally have to remind myself that it's not.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
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on: October 02, 2019, 01:49:15 PM
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It's been said before, but it's completely fascinating just how many seemingly separate fanbases the BBs seem to have.
I agree! When my fiancee and I went to Warped Tour in 2018, I wore my C50 shirt. She thought it was the lamest thing ever until I got compliment after compliment on it. I love this story. Discussion of deep cuts brings to mind the Brian/band Pet Sounds show I saw in Williamsburg, Brooklyn 3 years ago. Brian was one of the headliners on a very eclectic music festival of youngish indie bands. The show was sold out, all standing room/general admission, with seemingly every inch of space taken. The hipsterish crowd averaged 20s-to-40s, quite young for a Brian crowd, and (as Howie Edelson noted in amazement at the time) they were crazy into the Pet Sounds material, even singing along on some of the fairly unusual cuts. I wonder if any of that younger crowd made it to the "1968" show last week? The folks last week on average looked more like you'd expect at a Brian show, roughly a generation older.
It's been said before, but it's completely fascinating just how many seemingly separate fanbases the BBs seem to have.
I'd put myself in the age group, maybe not the hipster part though, and say that I wished I was able to see this but Brian didn't come close enough for me to go, sadly. Haven't heard the Friends album yet, partly because I wanted to digest most of it (already heard Friends, Little Bird, Wake the World) in a sitting once I found a vinyl copy (I'm strangely old-school). After all, Brian, Al, Matt, and Blondie got me into the Wild Honey songs when they played about half that album during the PS show I saw. Especially because Brian didn't have a particularly good night for my show and most of these '68 shows, especially those that were closest to me, but not close enough, supposedly had good performances from Brian.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Aug. 8th 1980 - \
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on: September 12, 2019, 06:37:41 PM
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I read on wikipedia that Dennis was an uncredited co-arranger for the strings on "Lady Lynda". First time I ever heard that. Is there any truth to that?
Al mentioned in an interview that Dennis "helped" him "with the track." What exactly that constitutes wasn't made clear. I don't know if it would rise to the level of co-arranger. From Al's 2000 Goldmine interview: How did you come up with the idea for the classical-sounding introduction to "Lady Lynda"?
A friend of mine, Ron Altbach, he and I decided to write something together. I was familiar with his love of classical music. I was at the Johann Sebastian Bach festival up here in Carmel which happens every summer up here. I heard that beautiful piece sung at the Mission Cathedral here in Carmel. Gorgeous piece. It's called "Jesu Joy Of Man's Desiring." It was written for the church. When I heard that movement I went, "My God, that's too heavy! Maybe I can start the song with this thing." [laughs] Ron is such a great player that it just worked. We had to hire a classical guy to play an absolutely beautiful harpsichord that was brought in just for the occasion. It was a monster session with a 26-string orchestra, the harpsichord. Harry Betts arranged the strings. I can't remember if Dennis played the drums. Dennis helped me with the track. We played it live at a couple of places before we recorded it. I think he played drums. I did that 12-string guitar. It was a beautiful 12-string guitar that I still have. It would have worked better if it had been on my own album, but it certainly worked. We always seemed to be five people making five different albums on the same album.I'm curious if C-Man or anybody else can chime in on who played drums on the final released version of the song. It's worth noting that even when Dennis was on tour, Bobby Figueroa usually drummed on the song (and, if I'm recalling correctly, Kowalski on the 1978 Australia dates). C-man has credited Bobby Figueroa with the drums on th master. It is among one of the many credits I have been adding to Wikipedia to correct and expand it. Going on the LA wiki page gives this reference: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,21772.25.html
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mark Linett's \
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on: August 24, 2019, 10:47:22 AM
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Don't get me thinking about a reunion that's not fair.
I'm pretty sure this will be about some sort of sunflower era release
Agreed. Especially with the state of Brian’s shows (sadly), though I would shell out the money if another reunion happened. I’d be fine with either, or both. NB: Maybe another reunion would re-energize Brian’s performances, not that I expect to happen though.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
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on: August 09, 2019, 06:20:26 PM
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As a one off tribute deal? Sure, but I don’t think the numbers would stack up for anything ongoing. Brian has ‘legend’ status due to his work. Al, by far the best voice still going, doesn’t. I think Al has hit the sweet spot tour wise with his story teller theme.
Just curious to hear others’ ideas and thought maybe Al’s demand would increase if Brian wasn’t touring. Does anyone think that if Brian did stop touring, there would be enough of a market for a second BB band for Al (and Blondie and/or David Marks, because he occasionally has done shows with Al) to continue on with part of Brian’s band and Al’s 2-piece Storytellers Band?
Lineup as such: Al - vocals, guitars, banjo, double bass Blondie - vocals, guitars, tambourine?, bass? David - vocals, guitars (optional, because he hasn’t done many shows outside of 1997-1999 and 2012-2013) Matt Jardine - vocals, percussion, guitar Jeff Alan Ross - backing vocals, keyboards (optional, probably too many people already) Billy Hinsche - vocals, keyboards, vibes, guitars Darian - vocals, keyboards, vibes, tannerin (assuming it’s owned by Brian and not Probyn, and could be loaned), percussion Ed Carter or Mike D’Amico - bass Bobby Figueroa or Mike D’Amico - drums Paul von Mertens - saxophones, flutes, harmonicas
I would go to this show. I saw Al live earlier this year, and it was great. I'm going to an M+B show later this month. I haven't gone to a Brian Wilson show since 2016, and after hearing clips of Brian singing live over the last three years, I think it would take a last tour announcement for me to go back. Agreed. Unfortunately I missed Al this year (I was in Nashville when he came fairly close to me). I’ve seen M&B in 2015 and I will again and I will again in a week or so. I’ve seen Brian, Al, and Blondie in 2017 (Al was great, disappointed with Brian because the most recent performances I had heard were from C50, and happy with Blondie’s singing but the solos were too long for me — but it did help me get introduced to Wild Honey and Feel Flows) I don’t know what I’ll do for a Brian show. I think it’d have to be extremely close for me to go again...I considered going to a rescheduled PS date which will be next year but decided against it because of the fairly long drive...that being said, I would love to see the new Something Great from 68 show. Maybe I can catch a train to NYC to see the Beacon show.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
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on: August 09, 2019, 03:39:12 PM
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Does anyone think that if Brian did stop touring, there would be enough of a market for a second BB band for Al (and Blondie and/or David Marks, because he occasionally has done shows with Al) to continue on with part of Brian’s band and Al’s 2-piece Storytellers Band?
Lineup as such: Al - vocals, guitars, banjo, double bass Blondie - vocals, guitars, tambourine?, bass? David - vocals, guitars (optional, because he hasn’t done many shows outside of 1997-1999 and 2012-2013) Matt Jardine - vocals, percussion, guitar Jeff Alan Ross - backing vocals, keyboards (optional, probably too many people already) Billy Hinsche - vocals, keyboards, vibes, guitars Darian - vocals, keyboards, vibes, tannerin (assuming it’s owned by Brian and not Probyn, and could be loaned), percussion Ed Carter or Mike D’Amico - bass Bobby Figueroa or Mike D’Amico - drums Paul von Mertens - saxophones, flutes, harmonicas
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher
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on: July 31, 2019, 08:11:28 PM
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I saw someone on here saying he produced Getcha Back...but i thought he just co-wrote it and Levine produced the whole album? Did he actually produce it or did someone just mis-speak on here? Wikipedia says Levine produced the song...could be wrong tho
I think they were arguing that he co-produced the song because of the way he helped with the vocals and getting the falsetto part out of Brian, etc.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \
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on: July 31, 2019, 12:32:32 PM
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Anyways, anybody in the know *cough* c-man *cough* aware of whether Brian was heavily involved in this one or not? I would be surprised to learn if he wasn't. Actually in general I kinda wonder about Brian's participation on KTSA. He's obviously much more audible then he was on L.A. (Light Album) but I wonder if he was involved much instrumentally or vocally especially on the songs he didn't write.
Yes, and yes. If it was Brian's idea to record a cover, then he was heavily involved instrumentally and vocally, and probably arrangement-wise: besides "Da Do Ron Ron", examples from those sessions are "School Days", "Little Girl", "Jamaica Farewell", "Stranded In The Jungle" (Brian actually produced the basic tracks for those four, under Bruce's "supervision", a few months before the bulk of the sessions started), "Johnny B. Goode", and "Smokey Places". Two that he apparently WASN'T involved with (at least instrumentally) were "I'll Always Love You" and the Bruce-driven re-recording of "Johnny B. Goode" two weeks after the Brian-driven original. Holy sh!t! There were two versions of Johnny B. Goode? I want to hear both of them. One of those had Dennis on drums and was probably the last time Dennis played on a Beach Boys session. I think his other contribution was some percussion on Endless Harmony. Do you know who played on the two JBG's, c-man? And in case you've heard them, could you describe what they sound like? Johnny # 1: Brian, Bruce, Mike Meros (keyboards), Carl (guitar), Dennis (drums), Gary Mallaber (drums), Bill House (guitar), Jerry Scheff (bass) Johnny # 2: John Hobbs (keyboards), Steve Ross (guitars), Bill House (guitar), Bryan Garofalo (bass), Ricky Fataar (drums) I have not heard either version. Thank you! Oh man, I would love to hear Carl play with Jerry Scheff! Agreed. Can't blame him for not coming up with anything useful for "Goin' to the beach". What a lousy song.
I know I should hate it but I like it better than most of Mike’s other stuff I’ve heard post-Holland.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \
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on: July 31, 2019, 12:26:02 PM
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How many sessions did Ricky play on after departing in 1974? Or was that a one off?
Wiki, which I know we all know is far from perfect, credits Fataar as playing drums on the title track "Keepin' the Summer Alive" and then also "Sunshine." Its citation loops back to a thread on this board, but I can't find the specific citation for those tracks, only a mention that Fataar is on several KTSA tracks. I have been the Wiki editor in question...I’ve connected a lot of threads on this board to various topics and I remember there being some specific citation but maybe I forgot to mention it/misplaced the link.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs that remind you of specific Beach Boys songs
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on: July 19, 2019, 06:25:02 PM
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Cool idea for a topic, B.E.. The one that immediately springs to my mind is Culture Club's "Karma Chameleon". The first three notes sound pretty well identical in tempo, pitch and timbre to the first three notes of "You're So Good To Me" but after that the two songs don't sound like each other at all! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmcA9LIIXWwAh, I hear it! there's a song on the lennon "double fantasy" album... one part of it sounds like "don't worry baby" 's verse "but she looks in my eyes and makes me realise" don't remember the title...
Yeah, a lot of people seem to make this connection. It's "but when I see you darling, it's like we both are" in "(Just Like) Starting Over". Funny, as much as I love Just Like Starting Over and Don’t Worry Baby, I don’t think I’ve ever heard it like that, not that I, denying it exists, I’ve just never heard the connection.
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