Mike the dominant creative force when it came to conceptual content?

[GhostyTMRS]

Just my two cents on the subject. Personal attacks on band members should not be allowed. It is one thing to critique performances or disagree with band decisions made by the band members, but personal stuff and slander is way over the line and goes on here with precision like flair. It adds nothing and only creates animosity amongst the forum members. I just hate seeing so many interesting threads devolve into name calling and fighting. You would think that grown people could police themselves or at least show consideration to each other. We are in this together.

I agree, but over the past few months I've learned that it's impossible to stop that from happening. I mean, there's a thread on here ( a riff on this one) about whether Mike is dominant or submissive in the bedroom. I mean..really?

[drbeachboy]

Just my two cents on the subject. Personal attacks on band members should not be allowed. It is one thing to critique performances or disagree with band decisions made by the band members, but personal stuff and slander is way over the line and goes on here with precision like flair. It adds nothing and only creates animosity amongst the forum members. I just hate seeing so many interesting threads devolve into name calling and fighting. You would think that grown people could police themselves or at least show consideration to each other. We are in this together.

I agree, but over the past few months I've learned that it's impossible to stop that from happening. I mean, there's a thread on here ( a riff on this one) about whether Mike is dominant or submissive in the bedroom. I mean..really?

I was once in an unruly class. The teacher lost all control. The teacher wound up quitting and was replaced by a nun. Guess what? Within a week no more unruly class. You just need some rules and enforce them. Sounds funny to have to do this with adults, but sometimes we don't always act like it, myself included.

[GhostyTMRS]

Just my two cents on the subject. Personal attacks on band members should not be allowed. It is one thing to critique performances or disagree with band decisions made by the band members, but personal stuff and slander is way over the line and goes on here with precision like flair. It adds nothing and only creates animosity amongst the forum members. I just hate seeing so many interesting threads devolve into name calling and fighting. You would think that grown people could police themselves or at least show consideration to each other. We are in this together.

I agree, but over the past few months I've learned that it's impossible to stop that from happening. I mean, there's a thread on here ( a riff on this one) about whether Mike is dominant or submissive in the bedroom. I mean..really?

I was once in an unruly class. The teacher lost all control. The teacher wound up quitting and was replaced by a nun. Guess what? Within a week no more unruly class. You just need some rules and enforce them. Sounds funny to have to do this with adults, but sometimes we don't always act like it, myself included.

My comment wasn't directed at the mods (I can't expect them to read every little thing on here) but rather directed at members of the so-called "fanbase" who seem unable to control themselves, whether it's actively hating a member of the band or swearing up and down how much they support Brian and then conspiring to steal his new music. I don't know what that's called, but "fan" certainly isn't the word.

[ontor pertawst]

I was once in an unruly class. The teacher lost all control. The teacher wound up quitting and was replaced by a nun. Guess what? Within a week no more unruly class. You just need some rules and enforce them. Sounds funny to have to do this with adults, but sometimes we don't always act like it, myself included.

Well, i'm glad we're not in your BDSM nun fantasies and we have terrific mods here that help make this a great place to post full of all kinds of interesting characters. Good luck endorsing a no personal attacks on band members policy, tho. Hell, you couldn't even get Mike Love to comply with that one.

Now enough goading the mods and all these practically Pinderesque protestestations that there's some kind of hypocracy here. SJS has been posting for years, if you want some examples of comments about Brian he claims don't exist here... Click on his posting history and enjoy!  He wasn't banned for 'em, just like I haven't been for needlessly pointing out that Mike Love can be a bit of a knob when he sets his mind to it.

[CenturyDeprived]

I was once in an unruly class. The teacher lost all control. The teacher wound up quitting and was replaced by a nun. Guess what? Within a week no more unruly class. You just need some rules and enforce them. Sounds funny to have to do this with adults, but sometimes we don't always act like it, myself included.

Well, i'm glad we're not in your BDSM nun fantasies and we have terrific mods here that help make this a great place to post full of all kinds of interesting characters. Good luck endorsing a no personal attacks on band members policy, tho. Hell, you couldn't even get Mike Love to comply with that one.

Now enough goading the mods and all these practically Pinderesque protestestations that there's some kind of hypocracy here. SJS has been posting for years, if you want some examples of comments about Brian he claims don't exist here... Click on his posting history and enjoy!  He wasn't banned for 'em, just like I haven't been for needlessly pointing out that Mike Love can be a bit of a knob when he sets his mind to it.

 

[Mike's Beard]

People don't like certain band members and that's fine, we are all entitled to their own opinion. When certain posters use it to derail every thread then it becomes tiresome. There's plenty of things i think Mike has done wrong but I don't feel the need to drag them up at every chance. I wonder how long a poster who felt the need to endlessly bring up how Brian
Allowed Mike to be ripped off on songwriting credits
Was a lousy father to his two children
Tells some whopping porkies in interviews from time to time
Is a hit and miss live performer at best
would last around these parts?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Ask kitty kat.

In any case, I've gone off on the personal attacks on Mike many many times. If anybody who has received any of the PMs from me on that subject wants to confirm,  go right ahead.

[Ang Jones]

I was once in an unruly class. The teacher lost all control. The teacher wound up quitting and was replaced by a nun. Guess what? Within a week no more unruly class. You just need some rules and enforce them. Sounds funny to have to do this with adults, but sometimes we don't always act like it, myself included.

Well, i'm glad we're not in your BDSM nun fantasies and we have terrific mods here that help make this a great place to post full of all kinds of interesting characters. Good luck endorsing a no personal attacks on band members policy, tho. Hell, you couldn't even get Mike Love to comply with that one.

Now enough goading the mods and all these practically Pinderesque protestestations that there's some kind of hypocracy here. SJS has been posting for years, if you want some examples of comments about Brian he claims don't exist here... Click on his posting history and enjoy!  He wasn't banned for 'em, just like I haven't been for needlessly pointing out that Mike Love can be a bit of a knob when he sets his mind to it.

I especially liked the bit I highlighted.

There is a special description of the criticism levelled at Mike: 'Mike-bashing'. But the bashing isn't unique to him.  People have implied that Brian is incapable of managing his own life, that his word cannot be trusted and much more. Criticism should be OK IMO as long as it based on a strong argument.  Anyone making unsupported allegations - that is quite another matter.

[Cyncie]

I think the personal attacks are wrong no matter which member they're leveled at. No one should be calling Mike the names he's called, but I see much more of that on Facebook and YouTube than I do here.

But, let's be honest about something. The main reason we have these threads constantly coming up on this board is because Mike goes into interviews and publicly says insensitive and boorish things. And, as long as he's going to publicly make those kinds of statements he can expect to be publicly discussed on a fan board.

As I said in a different thread, if Mike's management, or Scott or the band want these negative threads to stop, then Mike needs to learn to use some sensitivity and diplomacy in interviews, because he fuels them himself. Mr Positivity needs to hold to the old adage: If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. It's called tact, and it starts with his own statements. And, if he doesn't want to do it for Brian or Al or the band, he needs to do it for himself and his own image and legacy.

The reason people aren't ripping up Brian interviews is because Brian isn't using his interviews to talk negatively about Mike. If he was, he should have to face the same scrutiny.

So yeah. Deal with the personal attacks. But, there's no way to prevent people from discussing Mike's interviews in a negative light as long as Mike keeps giving interviews that lend themselves to that kind of discussion.

[Autotune]

 "He brings it upon himself" is not a valid argument. Slander and constant attacks against any BB or board member must not be allowed. Period.

That Mike, or any other beach boy, should withstand the backslashing because he ignites it, or because of the way he is, or because of the things he says, or because he is a public figure, is a perverse argument. This is a fan forum. This is not FB, nor YT, nor the conversation thread of some blog. There is a presumption that people posting here are fans and do not hold hateful feelings towards group members. However heated the discussions may be about artistic output or career decisions, attacks on band members (or forum members) mustn't be allowed.

[Douchepool]

People don't like certain band members and that's fine, we are all entitled to their own opinion. When certain posters use it to derail every thread then it becomes tiresome. There's plenty of things i think Mike has done wrong but I don't feel the need to drag them up at every chance. I wonder how long a poster who felt the need to endlessly bring up how Brian
Allowed Mike to be ripped off on songwriting credits
Was a lousy father to his two children
Tells some whopping porkies in interviews from time to time
Is a hit and miss live performer at best
would last around these parts?

OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

[Cyncie]

"He brings it upon himself" is not a valid argument. Slander and constant attacks against any BB or board member must not be allowed. Period.

That Mike, or any other beach boy, should withstand the backslashing because he ignites it, or because of the way he is, or because of the things he says, or because he is a public figure, is a perverse argument. This is a fan forum. This is not FB, nor YT, nor the conversation thread of some blog. There is a presumption that people posting here are fans and do not hold hateful feelings towards group members. However heated the discussions may be about artistic output or career decisions, attacks on band members (or forum members) mustn't be allowed.

If you're referencing my post, you missed the opening sentence where I said exactly the same thing. Personal attacks are wrong and should never be tolerated. Discussion of publicly available interview content, however, is going to happen.

[Douchepool]

If it's interview fodder then it's up for debate. I don't know why that would even be put into question.

[filledeplage]

I was once in an unruly class. The teacher lost all control. The teacher wound up quitting and was replaced by a nun. Guess what? Within a week no more unruly class. You just need some rules and enforce them. Sounds funny to have to do this with adults, but sometimes we don't always act like it, myself included.

Well, i'm glad we're not in your BDSM nun fantasies and we have terrific mods here that help make this a great place to post full of all kinds of interesting characters. Good luck endorsing a no personal attacks on band members policy, tho. Hell, you couldn't even get Mike Love to comply with that one.

Now enough goading the mods and all these practically Pinderesque protestestations that there's some kind of hypocracy here. SJS has been posting for years, if you want some examples of comments about Brian he claims don't exist here... Click on his posting history and enjoy!  He wasn't banned for 'em, just like I haven't been for needlessly pointing out that Mike Love can be a bit of a knob when he sets his mind to it.

Ontor - I don't appreciate that intolerant and highly religiously disrespectful remark about the nuns. And I can qualify that by telling you that I had the nuns for 12 years (having had my share of "bioches" ) but got a first-rate education, despite my fair share of time in detention.  Not unlike any large group, there are sickos in the bunch. And brilliant women who took a hard road, to benefit others without personal financial gain.

But for the most part, the nuns taught people "boundaries" which is a term several posters on this forum appear to lack. It is sort of unacceptable that fans who come to discuss the music in a neutral context, find themselves unable to do so. And didn't join to discuss any perceived "personality flaws or mental health status" that they actually know diddly squat about but discover that have to "pick a party," as though going into a voting booth, and voting Democratic or Republican (in the US) and are constantly queried about their "postions."

Another poster mentioned the art of argument, to support a position, rather than hateful "one-liners" that are often seen here. It is a distraction from actual music discussion.

[rab2591]

I was once in an unruly class. The teacher lost all control. The teacher wound up quitting and was replaced by a nun. Guess what? Within a week no more unruly class. You just need some rules and enforce them. Sounds funny to have to do this with adults, but sometimes we don't always act like it, myself included.

Well, i'm glad we're not in your BDSM nun fantasies and we have terrific mods here that help make this a great place to post full of all kinds of interesting characters. Good luck endorsing a no personal attacks on band members policy, tho. Hell, you couldn't even get Mike Love to comply with that one.

Now enough goading the mods and all these practically Pinderesque protestestations that there's some kind of hypocracy here. SJS has been posting for years, if you want some examples of comments about Brian he claims don't exist here... Click on his posting history and enjoy!  He wasn't banned for 'em, just like I haven't been for needlessly pointing out that Mike Love can be a bit of a knob when he sets his mind to it.

Ontor - I don't appreciate that intolerant and highly religiously disrespectful remark about the nuns. And I can qualify that by telling you that I had the nuns for 12 years (having had my share of "bioches" ) but got a first-rate education, despite my fair share of time in detention.  Not unlike any large group, there are sickos in the bunch. And brilliant women who took a hard road, to benefit others without personal financial gain.

But for the most part, the nuns taught people "boundaries" which is a term several posters on this forum appear to lack. It is sort of unacceptable that fans who come to discuss the music in a neutral context, find themselves unable to do so. And didn't join to discuss any perceived "personality flaws or mental health status" that they actually know diddly squat about but discover that have to "pick a party," as though going into a voting booth, and voting Democratic or Republican (in the US) and are constantly queried about their "postions."

Another poster mentioned the art of argument, to support a position, rather than hateful "one-liners" that are often seen here. It is a distraction from actual music discussion.

[Niko]

Thank you filledplage. Your posts enrich this board. The time I spent reading your post whining about nuns is time that I will never get back, but that's ok with me.

Keep on fighting the good fight. Fight on, fighter.

[filledeplage]

I was once in an unruly class. The teacher lost all control. The teacher wound up quitting and was replaced by a nun. Guess what? Within a week no more unruly class. You just need some rules and enforce them. Sounds funny to have to do this with adults, but sometimes we don't always act like it, myself included.

Well, i'm glad we're not in your BDSM nun fantasies and we have terrific mods here that help make this a great place to post full of all kinds of interesting characters. Good luck endorsing a no personal attacks on band members policy, tho. Hell, you couldn't even get Mike Love to comply with that one.

Now enough goading the mods and all these practically Pinderesque protestestations that there's some kind of hypocracy here. SJS has been posting for years, if you want some examples of comments about Brian he claims don't exist here... Click on his posting history and enjoy!  He wasn't banned for 'em, just like I haven't been for needlessly pointing out that Mike Love can be a bit of a knob when he sets his mind to it.

Ontor - I don't appreciate that intolerant and highly religiously disrespectful remark about the nuns. And I can qualify that by telling you that I had the nuns for 12 years (having had my share of "bioches" ) but got a first-rate education, despite my fair share of time in detention.  Not unlike any large group, there are sickos in the bunch. And brilliant women who took a hard road, to benefit others without personal financial gain.

But for the most part, the nuns taught people "boundaries" which is a term several posters on this forum appear to lack. It is sort of unacceptable that fans who come to discuss the music in a neutral context, find themselves unable to do so. And didn't join to discuss any perceived "personality flaws or mental health status" that they actually know diddly squat about but discover that have to "pick a party," as though going into a voting booth, and voting Democratic or Republican (in the US) and are constantly queried about their "postions."

Another poster mentioned the art of argument, to support a position, rather than hateful "one-liners" that are often seen here. It is a distraction from actual music discussion.

Thanks rab! One of my Favorite movies! That movie did show how clever, charitable and resourceful the nuns are!

And the behind-the-scenes corruption of those administrators closing schools in urban areas.  

One for you!  

[CenturyDeprived]

People don't like certain band members and that's fine, we are all entitled to their own opinion. When certain posters use it to derail every thread then it becomes tiresome. There's plenty of things i think Mike has done wrong but I don't feel the need to drag them up at every chance. I wonder how long a poster who felt the need to endlessly bring up how Brian
Allowed Mike to be ripped off on songwriting credits
Was a lousy father to his two children
Tells some whopping porkies in interviews from time to time
Is a hit and miss live performer at best
would last around these parts?

The part about Brian being less than a model parent? The fact that Brian has publicly on more than one occasion self-depracatingly and regretfully admitted such is probably why not many people go out of their way to bring it up when discussing many various aspects of his personal life that do get discussed here.

[Robbie Mac]

"He brings it upon himself" is not a valid argument. Slander and constant attacks against any BB or board member must not be allowed. Period.

That Mike, or any other beach boy, should withstand the backslashing because he ignites it, or because of the way he is, or because of the things he says, or because he is a public figure, is a perverse argument. This is a fan forum. This is not FB, nor YT, nor the conversation thread of some blog. There is a presumption that people posting here are fans and do not hold hateful feelings towards group members. However heated the discussions may be about artistic output or career decisions, attacks on band members (or forum members) mustn't be allowed.

Bull.

[CenturyDeprived]

"He brings it upon himself" is not a valid argument. Slander and constant attacks against any BB or board member must not be allowed. Period.

That Mike, or any other beach boy, should withstand the backslashing because he ignites it, or because of the way he is, or because of the things he says, or because he is a public figure, is a perverse argument. This is a fan forum. This is not FB, nor YT, nor the conversation thread of some blog. There is a presumption that people posting here are fans and do not hold hateful feelings towards group members. However heated the discussions may be about artistic output or career decisions, attacks on band members (or forum members) mustn't be allowed.

Bull.

[Robbie Mac]

"He brings it upon himself" is not a valid argument. Slander and constant attacks against any BB or board member must not be allowed. Period.

That Mike, or any other beach boy, should withstand the backslashing because he ignites it, or because of the way he is, or because of the things he says, or because he is a public figure, is a perverse argument. This is a fan forum. This is not FB, nor YT, nor the conversation thread of some blog. There is a presumption that people posting here are fans and do not hold hateful feelings towards group members. However heated the discussions may be about artistic output or career decisions, attacks on band members (or forum members) mustn't be allowed.

Bull.

[KDS]

"He brings it upon himself" is not a valid argument. Slander and constant attacks against any BB or board member must not be allowed. Period.

That Mike, or any other beach boy, should withstand the backslashing because he ignites it, or because of the way he is, or because of the things he says, or because he is a public figure, is a perverse argument. This is a fan forum. This is not FB, nor YT, nor the conversation thread of some blog. There is a presumption that people posting here are fans and do not hold hateful feelings towards group members. However heated the discussions may be about artistic output or career decisions, attacks on band members (or forum members) mustn't be allowed.

I agree the whole anti Mike Love stuff does get tiresome. 

But if you think this is bad, wait until Mike's book comes out next year.  This website might actually break. 

[ontor pertawst]

I still think our mods do a better job than nuns, but I concede perhaps there may exist really good nun-run forums that you guys can point me to. Otherwise, if you folks reaaaally want to interpret that as an attack on religion you're more than welcome to...  but I'm afraid I'm going to roll my eyes a bit at that more than slightly goofy, borderline desperate interpretation and certainly won't be taking it remotely seriously.

Altho come to think of it, how about we compromise: Billy has to wear a habit at least twice a week, say? I hope we can move forward with renewed resolve to bring balance to the Force.

[Debbie Keil-Leavitt]

Ontor, thanks for the comic relief again...Seriously, an attack on nuns?  Life has become far too strange, particularly on this thread.

[Rocker]

What we need is a change of habit