Beach Boys vs Beatles in the same years

[MarcellaHasDirtyFeet]

Great post, Sheriff

[Daniel]

Man, reading Beach Boys nutters' opinions of Beatles music makes me laugh.
Sgt Pepper is a masterpiece. Opinion or fact. Its music - superb music, brilliantly written, performed, arranged, engineered and so on.

See this is the main problem I have with the Beatles really, their fans. It's like religious indoctrination. They're conditioned from birth to believe that the Beatles are above criticism. Any negative view is met with an incredulous cry of "b-b-b-but it's the Beatles!!!"

Well sorry, I'm just not that not impressed by them. I'm not trying to be clever, or different, I just find their music boring on the whole. And really, calling me a nutter just because I don't buy into the whole Emperors New Clothes scenario that is Beatle fandom just makes you come across like a moron.

Sgt Peppers is consistently voted the best album ever. I just don't think its that good even by their standards. Rubber Sole and Abbey Road are consistently better. This is why I call it overrated. I think it is. And the reason I say Beach Boys albums are better, because I think they are.

Shall we agree to disagree without the insults?

Snigger snigger....
OK i get it. Youre not keen on the Beatles. Point well made. Words like " shite. overrated pile of crud" only clarify your point. Understood.
But ive got no insults. Im a Beach Boys nutter. We are on a Beach Boys message board - surely we are all nutters?! Or harmony morons?

[SMiLE Brian]

Good posts Sheriff and Andrew, been some strange times in BBs world.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

See this is the main problem I have with the Beatles really, their fans. It's like religious indoctrination. They're conditioned from birth to believe that the Beatles are above criticism. Any negative view is met with an incredulous cry of "b-b-b-but it's the Beatles!!!"

Well sorry, I'm just not that not impressed by them. I'm not trying to be clever, or different, I just find their music boring on the whole. And really, calling me a nutter just because I don't buy into the whole Emperors New Clothes scenario that is Beatle fandom just makes you come across like a moron.

Sgt Peppers is consistently voted the best album ever. I just don't think its that good even by their standards. Rubber Sole and Abbey Road are consistently better. This is why I call it overrated. I think it is. And the reason I say Beach Boys albums are better, because I think they are.

I must've missed this earlier, but of course I agree completely. For years, I felt something was wrong with me, because I felt  was the only one who felt that way.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Man, reading Beach Boys nutters' opinions of Beatles music makes me laugh.
Sgt Pepper is a masterpiece. Opinion or fact. Its music - superb music, brilliantly written, performed, arranged, engineered and so on.

See this is the main problem I have with the Beatles really, their fans. It's like religious indoctrination. They're conditioned from birth to believe that the Beatles are above criticism. Any negative view is met with an incredulous cry of "b-b-b-but it's the Beatles!!!"

Well sorry, I'm just not that not impressed by them. I'm not trying to be clever, or different, I just find their music boring on the whole. And really, calling me a nutter just because I don't buy into the whole Emperors New Clothes scenario that is Beatle fandom just makes you come across like a moron.

Sgt Peppers is consistently voted the best album ever. I just don't think its that good even by their standards. Rubber Sole and Abbey Road are consistently better. This is why I call it overrated. I think it is. And the reason I say Beach Boys albums are better, because I think they are.

Shall we agree to disagree without the insults?

Snigger snigger....
OK i get it. Youre not keen on the Beatles. Point well made. Words like " shite. overrated pile of crud" only clarify your point. Understood.
But ive got no insults. Im a Beach Boys nutter. We are on a Beach Boys message board - surely we are all nutters?! Or harmony morons?

That's cool, I misread you, happens with text sometimes. Apologies to you

[Iron Horse-Apples]

I must've missed this earlier, but of course I agree completely. For years, I felt something was wrong with me, because I felt  was the only one who felt that way.

You're not alone. Hating the Beatles is a perfectly natural and healthy thing. If more of us could "come out" I think the world would be a better and fairer place, but until the stigma of being a Beatle hater passes, we do face ostracism and intolerance wherever we go.

You took the first step into a brighter future today, and I'm proud to call you my brother.

[SMiLE Brian]

I'm not a big fan either after my family overplayed them when I was a kid.

[Shady]

The Mike love thread was a lot less offensive than this one 

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Of course, there's no reason why anyone should or has to like The Beatles but justifying your dislike on the grounds that you are some kind of oppressed group struggling to overcome some kind of massive brainwashing by unthinking sheep is ridiculous. What it is is this - you don't happen to like a band that is loved by many, including many who know a tremendous amount about music, and having heard a great deal, believe that The Beatles are the best of rock and roll. Tastes are tastes. I have a cousin whose knowledge on music I respect a great deal and he finds Pet Sounds entirely uninteresting. And it's not because he hasn't given it a fair chance. And it's not because he has gone into it with preconceived notions about The Beach Boys. It has everything to do with the fact that he has listened to it and doesn't like it. The end.

[Theydon Bois]

Anyone with a passing interest in world-class pop music of the 1960s who can't find the whole spectrum from Giddy Pop Euphoria through to Devastating Emotional Punch (to say nothing of Mould-Breaking Innovation) in the music of BOTH the Beach Boys and the Beatles is, at the very least, missing a trick, and quite possibly also deserving of pity.

[SMiLE Brian]

I don't hate them and respect their music, its just on a personal level I don't get much out of them anymore.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Of course, there's no reason why anyone should or has to like The Beatles but justifying your dislike on the grounds that you are some kind of oppressed group struggling to overcome some kind of massive brainwashing by unthinking sheep is ridiculous. What it is is this - you don't happen to like a band that is loved by many, including many who know a tremendous amount about music, and having heard a great deal, believe that The Beatles are the best of rock and roll. Tastes are tastes. I have a cousin whose knowledge on music I respect a great deal and he finds Pet Sounds entirely uninteresting. And it's not because he hasn't given it a fair chance. And it's not because he has gone into it with preconceived notions about The Beach Boys. It has everything to do with the fact that he has listened to it and doesn't like it. The end.

Twas satire

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Well, it was exaggeration, surely. But it's not completely unlike anything I've seen people suggest seriously on this board. This is why I didn't respond directly to your quote.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Anyone with a passing interest in world-class pop music of the 1960s who can't find the whole spectrum from Giddy Pop Euphoria through to Devastating Emotional Punch (to say nothing of Mould-Breaking Innovation) in the music of BOTH the Beach Boys and the Beatles is, at the very least, missing a trick, and quite possibly also deserving of pity.

Ha, I wondered when pity would come up. You pity me all you want, my musical tastes span about 8 centuries, so believe me, I'm missing out on nothing, I was brought up on the Beatles, so I've heard about all I need to hear thanks.

Just bear in mind, a lot of what I say is tongue in cheek, if I've seriously annoyed anyone I apologise. Musical taste is very personal, I know that.

[Theydon Bois]

Ha, I wondered when pity would come up. You pity me all you want, my musical tastes span about 8 centuries, so believe me, I'm missing out on nothing, I was brought up on the Beatles, so I've heard about all I need to hear thanks.

Well, you quite literally are missing out, compared to somebody whose musical tastes span 8 centuries but who also likes the Beatles.  They simply enjoy more music than you do.  But I will defend to the death your right to hold this silly opinion.

[Cabinessenceking]

Tbh I never listen to the Beatles anymore, killed my enjoyment by overlistening in my youth. The are good ofc, very good, but Beach Boys music is the only music I can listen to death and still enjoy.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

silly opinion.

I'll let this speak for itself

[Theydon Bois]

silly opinion.

I'll let this speak for itself

I rather assumed that it did already, unless the "tongue in cheek" card is yours alone to play.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Silly opinion, Trix are for kids!

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Life's too short. Lets just say we were all joking before this gets out of hand.

Basically, I don't really want to end up getting annoyed. I still think I'm right, but I want to back away whilst still saving face. At least in war there are rules for this sort of thing.

I'll stick Shameless on, the proper UK one

Night night

[Mike's Beard]

I don't hate The Beatles but I hate all the music critics and writers who feel the need to include pretty much every one of their albums whenever a 'best of list' is compiled.

I hate the fact that they are given endless acclaim even when it is undeserving (Sgt Pepper is NOT one of the first psychedelic albums or the 'first' concept album - it's not even a concept album for fecks sake!).

I hate how despite using many additional session players on their songs they are given a free pass while equally great band such as The Beach Boys and The Monkees are chastised for doing so.

And most of all I hate the fact that people seem to have this undisputed notion that they are hands down the 'best band of all time' and everyone else no matter how talented are just gunning for second place.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Right. And my cousin could likewise hate the fact that Pet Sounds is regarded so highly when he finds it uninteresting in comparison to what he considers to be albums deserving of acclaim higher than Pet Sounds.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

And they'd both be opinions. Neither right nor faulty

[Mike's Beard]

Right. And my cousin could likewise hate the fact that Pet Sounds is regarded so highly when he finds it uninteresting in comparison to what he considers to be albums deserving of acclaim higher than Pet Sounds.

Perhaps he does?

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Except that you seem to be suggesting that these critics who think so highly about The Beatles are wrong.