SMiLE Sessions box set!

[Dunderhead]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified.

From the video:

Entitlement is when someone feels as if someone owes him things or special treatment simply because he exists. People with this character trait feel entitled to privileges, special treatment, things other people have, respect, love, or whatever else they want. And when they don't get what they want, they feel that the one who is not giving it to them is wrong. Children first feel entitled to be in control, then they feel they're entitled not to suffer, not to worry, and not to adapt to rules and boundaries.

As much as you want this to be true, and as much as you like your little video, that's not how the relationship between businesses and customers work, sorry. They DO owe use whatever we want to be owed, and if they don't give us what we want, then we don't have to buy it. We're doing them a favor, not the other way around. We're buying their product, we're the consumer, and if they don't make us happy, then they don't get our money. Sorry!

You do realize that everyone who throws a childish hissy fit because they feel they are entitled to something they are not getting ALWAYS believes they are justified. A child who stops talking to his parents because they won't let him play on the computer has his own reason that he feel justifies their behaviour. Of course, you think you are right to be behaving this way - that's what the culture of entitlement is all about! Unfortunately, the business dynamic that you bring up to justify your ongoing tantrums is precisely what has caused this sort of culture in which you are clearly linked to, by concocting desires that can be instantly satisfied.

lol. This is the real problem with our country today. People like you who believe that billion dollar corporations are like they're parents. It's no longer "Honor your father and mother" it's "Honor your corporate overlord."

[bossaroo]

October's lookin GOOD.

OK... this FALL is lookin' GREAT.

a November release makes total sense. why wouldn't they take advantage of the holiday shopping season?

just think... in less than 3 months we will finally have this f*cking thing in our hands and in our ears!!!

don't you just KNOW it?!!!

[Chocolate Shake Man]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified.

From the video:

Entitlement is when someone feels as if someone owes him things or special treatment simply because he exists. People with this character trait feel entitled to privileges, special treatment, things other people have, respect, love, or whatever else they want. And when they don't get what they want, they feel that the one who is not giving it to them is wrong. Children first feel entitled to be in control, then they feel they're entitled not to suffer, not to worry, and not to adapt to rules and boundaries.

As much as you want this to be true, and as much as you like your little video, that's not how the relationship between businesses and customers work, sorry. They DO owe use whatever we want to be owed, and if they don't give us what we want, then we don't have to buy it. We're doing them a favor, not the other way around. We're buying their product, we're the consumer, and if they don't make us happy, then they don't get our money. Sorry!

You do realize that everyone who throws a childish hissy fit because they feel they are entitled to something they are not getting ALWAYS believes they are justified. A child who stops talking to his parents because they won't let him play on the computer has his own reason that he feel justifies their behaviour. Of course, you think you are right to be behaving this way - that's what the culture of entitlement is all about! Unfortunately, the business dynamic that you bring up to justify your ongoing tantrums is precisely what has caused this sort of culture in which you are clearly linked to, by concocting desires that can be instantly satisfied.

lol. This is the real problem with our country today. People like you who believe that billion dollar corporations are like they're parents. It's no longer "Honor your father and mother" it's "Honor your corporate overlord."

Actually, I believe that corporations are tyrannical in structure. I am a libertarian socialist or anarcho-syndicalist and therefore believe that the ownership (if you want to call it that) of any business should be held by the people who do the labour. This absurd straw man is only further evidence that you are incapable of behaving like a rational adult at this time. In fact, my position on business in general was made quite clear in the last sentence where I talk about how businesses typically concoct desires.

The fact that I am entirely anti-corporate, have spent the better part of my adult years taking part in activist culture that works to challenge corporate culture, does not change the fact that you are, indeed, a poster child for the culture of entitlement. In fact, if anyone can provide a glowing example for the kind of bad work that the corporate world has done, it's you.

[Dunderhead]

October's lookin GOOD.

OK... this FALL is lookin' GREAT.

a November release makes total sense. why wouldn't they take advantage of the holiday shopping season?

just think... in less than 3 months we will finally have this friggin' thing in our hands and in our ears!!!

don't you just KNOW it?!!!

2012's lookin' GOOD.
...
22nd Century's lookin' GOOD
...
4th millennium's lookin' GOOD
...

[Dunderhead]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified.

From the video:

Entitlement is when someone feels as if someone owes him things or special treatment simply because he exists. People with this character trait feel entitled to privileges, special treatment, things other people have, respect, love, or whatever else they want. And when they don't get what they want, they feel that the one who is not giving it to them is wrong. Children first feel entitled to be in control, then they feel they're entitled not to suffer, not to worry, and not to adapt to rules and boundaries.

As much as you want this to be true, and as much as you like your little video, that's not how the relationship between businesses and customers work, sorry. They DO owe use whatever we want to be owed, and if they don't give us what we want, then we don't have to buy it. We're doing them a favor, not the other way around. We're buying their product, we're the consumer, and if they don't make us happy, then they don't get our money. Sorry!

You do realize that everyone who throws a childish hissy fit because they feel they are entitled to something they are not getting ALWAYS believes they are justified. A child who stops talking to his parents because they won't let him play on the computer has his own reason that he feel justifies their behaviour. Of course, you think you are right to be behaving this way - that's what the culture of entitlement is all about! Unfortunately, the business dynamic that you bring up to justify your ongoing tantrums is precisely what has caused this sort of culture in which you are clearly linked to, by concocting desires that can be instantly satisfied.

lol. This is the real problem with our country today. People like you who believe that billion dollar corporations are like they're parents. It's no longer "Honor your father and mother" it's "Honor your corporate overlord."

Actually, I believe that corporations are tyrannical in structure. I am a libertarian socialist or anarcho-syndicalist and therefore believe that the ownership (if you want to call it that) of any business should be held by the people who do the labour. This absurd straw man is only further evidence that you are incapable of behaving like a rational adult at this time. In fact, my position on business in general was made quite clear in the last sentence where I talk about how businesses typically concoct desires.

The fact that I am entirely anti-corporate, have spent the better part of my adult years taking part in activist culture that works to challenge corporate culture, does not change the fact that you are, indeed, a poster child for the culture of entitlement. In fact, if anyone can provide a glowing example for the kind of bad work that the corporate world has done, it's you.

Though shalt have no gods before the Lord Capitol

[seanmurd]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified. That's been my point all along, they aren't doing themselves any favors with their current approach and if they lose any sales, even just one, then it stands to reason they would have been better suited by a different approach.

There's nothing to "buy" here ... yet ... they haven't offered an explanation of why INTERNAL release projections have been pushed back, and they don't OWE us an explanation. Perhaps if the March announcement had promised a July release, or an August or October release, then MAYBE we could legitimately argue that we're owed an explanation of the delay. And anyone who pines for SMiLE now who would petulantly refuse to buy it in November because it wasn't released as fast as he or she wanted it ... arguably wasn't much of a SMiLE fan in the first place.

Look, I'm not thrilled with the way Capitol has handled this either -- contrary to the "dreamer" label broadly applied to anyone who tries to have a sane and reasonable outlook on this -- and I've already outlined elsewhere in this thread the things that I would have done differently if I were marketing a major archival release in the 21st century. I'd have put the MOJO single on iTunes; I'd stream a new track every two weeks from now until the release date; I'd allow (or encourage) Mark Linett to give Billboard another in-depth interview detailing some of the new discoveries or highlighting a few tracks that will "wow" us; I'd release the damn track list as soon as it was finalized; etc. All that said, that's NOT how they're doing things, and we all just have to wait and see what they have in store for us. These are the days where we see who is willing to be a grown-up and who isn't.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified.

From the video:

Entitlement is when someone feels as if someone owes him things or special treatment simply because he exists. People with this character trait feel entitled to privileges, special treatment, things other people have, respect, love, or whatever else they want. And when they don't get what they want, they feel that the one who is not giving it to them is wrong. Children first feel entitled to be in control, then they feel they're entitled not to suffer, not to worry, and not to adapt to rules and boundaries.

As much as you want this to be true, and as much as you like your little video, that's not how the relationship between businesses and customers work, sorry. They DO owe use whatever we want to be owed, and if they don't give us what we want, then we don't have to buy it. We're doing them a favor, not the other way around. We're buying their product, we're the consumer, and if they don't make us happy, then they don't get our money. Sorry!

You do realize that everyone who throws a childish hissy fit because they feel they are entitled to something they are not getting ALWAYS believes they are justified. A child who stops talking to his parents because they won't let him play on the computer has his own reason that he feel justifies their behaviour. Of course, you think you are right to be behaving this way - that's what the culture of entitlement is all about! Unfortunately, the business dynamic that you bring up to justify your ongoing tantrums is precisely what has caused this sort of culture in which you are clearly linked to, by concocting desires that can be instantly satisfied.

lol. This is the real problem with our country today. People like you who believe that billion dollar corporations are like they're parents. It's no longer "Honor your father and mother" it's "Honor your corporate overlord."

Actually, I believe that corporations are tyrannical in structure. I am a libertarian socialist or anarcho-syndicalist and therefore believe that the ownership (if you want to call it that) of any business should be held by the people who do the labour. This absurd straw man is only further evidence that you are incapable of behaving like a rational adult at this time. In fact, my position on business in general was made quite clear in the last sentence where I talk about how businesses typically concoct desires.

The fact that I am entirely anti-corporate, have spent the better part of my adult years taking part in activist culture that works to challenge corporate culture, does not change the fact that you are, indeed, a poster child for the culture of entitlement. In fact, if anyone can provide a glowing example for the kind of bad work that the corporate world has done, it's you.

Though shalt have no gods before the Lord Capitol

And thou shalt make effective critiques of the system by demanding release dates and track listings. 

[Pretty Funky]

Any of you photoshop experts care to do a BBcentral/ SS's mash-up?  

http://www.beachboyscentral.com/

[Dunderhead]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified.

From the video:

Entitlement is when someone feels as if someone owes him things or special treatment simply because he exists. People with this character trait feel entitled to privileges, special treatment, things other people have, respect, love, or whatever else they want. And when they don't get what they want, they feel that the one who is not giving it to them is wrong. Children first feel entitled to be in control, then they feel they're entitled not to suffer, not to worry, and not to adapt to rules and boundaries.

As much as you want this to be true, and as much as you like your little video, that's not how the relationship between businesses and customers work, sorry. They DO owe use whatever we want to be owed, and if they don't give us what we want, then we don't have to buy it. We're doing them a favor, not the other way around. We're buying their product, we're the consumer, and if they don't make us happy, then they don't get our money. Sorry!

You do realize that everyone who throws a childish hissy fit because they feel they are entitled to something they are not getting ALWAYS believes they are justified. A child who stops talking to his parents because they won't let him play on the computer has his own reason that he feel justifies their behaviour. Of course, you think you are right to be behaving this way - that's what the culture of entitlement is all about! Unfortunately, the business dynamic that you bring up to justify your ongoing tantrums is precisely what has caused this sort of culture in which you are clearly linked to, by concocting desires that can be instantly satisfied.

lol. This is the real problem with our country today. People like you who believe that billion dollar corporations are like they're parents. It's no longer "Honor your father and mother" it's "Honor your corporate overlord."

Actually, I believe that corporations are tyrannical in structure. I am a libertarian socialist or anarcho-syndicalist and therefore believe that the ownership (if you want to call it that) of any business should be held by the people who do the labour. This absurd straw man is only further evidence that you are incapable of behaving like a rational adult at this time. In fact, my position on business in general was made quite clear in the last sentence where I talk about how businesses typically concoct desires.

The fact that I am entirely anti-corporate, have spent the better part of my adult years taking part in activist culture that works to challenge corporate culture, does not change the fact that you are, indeed, a poster child for the culture of entitlement. In fact, if anyone can provide a glowing example for the kind of bad work that the corporate world has done, it's you.

Though shalt have no gods before the Lord Capitol

And thou shalt make effective critiques of the system by demanding release dates and track listings.  

I won't argue with you about politics, but libertarian-socialism just sounds like an oxymoron to me. I don't really know what your argument is, that if people are unhappy with a company and the product it makes and their relationship to their customers, they should just deal? unfortunately I don't agree, it's up to the consumer to make up his or her own mind, and put their money where their mouth is. If a company doesn't fulfill the expectations of the consumer, they lose money, so their incentive is to do a better a job. But whatever, it's clear you're really pissed off at some attitude that you believe you observe in people you know, and this is just an excuse for you to bitch somemore. And that's fine, but I can't say I care, or that you're making me feel guilty for my oh-so-spoiled world view or whatever. I don't think it's too much to ask that Capitol simply release some new info to us. They don't even need to tell us every little freaking detail, I don't want a tracklist or even a release date. I just want Capitol to come out and update us as to the status of this project. Is that so much to ask? Is it unacceptable to want someone to give us a few sentences of official information? Would that really be such a burden? I think after 5 months of waiting it's not too much to ask.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I won't argue with you about politics, but libertarian-socialism just sounds like an oxymoron to me.

I'm talking about actual libertarianism - the one that was always associated with socialism ever since it was coined by anarchist communist Joseph Déjacque - not the bastardized American version of the term.

I don't really know what your argument is, that if people are unhappy with a company and the product it makes and their relationship to their customers, they should just deal?

No. That's not my argument. You're not unhappy with the product Capitol makes. You're unhappy because you feel like you're entitled to information that you're not getting.

unfortunately I don't agree, it's up to the consumer to make up his or her own mind, and put their money where their mouth is.

But you didn't threaten to not buy Smile. You threatened to not buy the Disney album, which is the coward's version of putting their money where their mouth is.

If a company doesn't fulfill the expectations of the consumer, they lose money, so their incentive is to do a better a job.

So you try to critique me because you thought I was giving too much of a pass to corporations, when in fact what YOU are doing is just trying to make sure that corporations keep doing what they're doing only better.  

But whatever, it's clear you're really pissed off at some attitude that you believe you observe in people you know, and this is just an excuse for you to bitch somemore.

"Some attitude"? Sorry, but it's a very precise attitude that was defined by someone else, which you fit to a tee. They just happen to be talking about children.

[drbeachboy]

Again, Capitol only promised this year. Every date given so far has been unofficial. Everyone that is pissin' and moanin' over the release date, only have themselves to blame. Your own assumptions are coming back to bite you in the arse. Have patience and ye will be rewarded with happiness and a Smile.

[The Shift]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified. That's been my point all along, they aren't doing themselves any favors with their current approach and if they lose any sales, even just one, then it stands to reason they would have been better suited by a different approach.

Something bizarre's happening with this thread altogether. No offence Sgt Smile, I'm picking on your post here but there's plenty more much worse.

If it hadn't been for Al letting slip, we probably mightn't even know about this product yet.

Why not pretend you don't know about it, then it'll be a surprise when it does come out, and you and Phil can excuse yourselves buying it?

I'm gonna pretend I don't know about this thread for a while and maybe share an Islay malt with the Don…   

Ghost, Redklicktrout, you both stay a way from my sister in the meantime, y'hear?

[dmcguire70]

Jeesh, I mean, I have the money to buy it, but in this economy....over $200? I'm sure it will be a great set, but I really can't spend that much and be happy with my financial future - too much going on right now. Bummer. My spending limit on this was $175.

I know it's SMiLE, but agh, I can't think about $ right now.

Yeah Rab, with what's going on in the world economy, right now is probably the worst time to be releasing a $200 box set ,i would of thought.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the whole thing is put on hold.Lets hope not.

I wouldn't think it would be put on hold (but with the way things are going, you may be right)...I really hope they don't expect a lot of people to shell out that kind of money right now. I know there are blessed people working day and night on this thing, but we fans work for a living too and we're not all raking in a lot of dough. Heck, I don't even own a vinyl player.

Well, they're selling a product, people will buy it, end of story I guess.

This is not an edit. There are others like it but this is something a moderator decided to do in his spare time...yay word replacements!

on a side note, record any new covers lately, McGuire?

No new covers as yet, but I'd be happy to take any requests.

[ghost]

I believe in this particular arrangement of letters from the alphabet & I disbelieve in your particular arrangement of letters from the alphabet.

[Dead Parrot]

I won't argue with you about politics, but libertarian-socialism just sounds like an oxymoron to me.

You've never listened to Bill Hicks then.

[dmcguire70]

I believe in this particular arrangement of letters from the alphabet & I disbelieve in your particular arrangement of letters from the alphabet.

So you're improvising then?

[SMiLE Brian]

Just waiting for the SMiLE Sessions has been hard, but i will wait as long as necessary with the awesome other albums of the band until i hear the music of SMiLE.

[Chris Moise]

I agree. I'm In Great Shape had so much potential. Just listen to the piano demo. One of the most playful and original melodies I've ever heard. "Freshen air around my head/mornings tumble out of bed/eggs and grits and lickety-SPLIT. look at me jump I'm in the great shape of the open country...". I want more!

I can't imagine the 1966 model "I'm In Great Shape" resembled what is on BWPS. Brian's songs from that era had a verse/chorus/verse structure where the BWPS version is really a bunch of bits strung together. I'd bet the "eggs & grits" section was the verse or chorus and cycled through the song. Of course, there were Great Shape sessions we don't have tapes for so we don't really know how complete it was in 1966.

Speaking of...anyone know if the 'best' take of the short 'eggs & grits' instrumental was snipped off the reel? None of the 3 takes in circulation were the 'best' take or am I thinking of something else?

[homeontherange]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified.

From the video:

Entitlement is when someone feels as if someone owes him things or special treatment simply because he exists. People with this character trait feel entitled to privileges, special treatment, things other people have, respect, love, or whatever else they want. And when they don't get what they want, they feel that the one who is not giving it to them is wrong. Children first feel entitled to be in control, then they feel they're entitled not to suffer, not to worry, and not to adapt to rules and boundaries.

As much as you want this to be true, and as much as you like your little video, that's not how the relationship between businesses and customers work, sorry. They DO owe use whatever we want to be owed, and if they don't give us what we want, then we don't have to buy it. We're doing them a favor, not the other way around. We're buying their product, we're the consumer, and if they don't make us happy, then they don't get our money. Sorry!

You do realize that everyone who throws a childish hissy fit because they feel they are entitled to something they are not getting ALWAYS believes they are justified. A child who stops talking to his parents because they won't let him play on the computer has his own reason that he feel justifies their behaviour. Of course, you think you are right to be behaving this way - that's what the culture of entitlement is all about! Unfortunately, the business dynamic that you bring up to justify your ongoing tantrums is precisely what has caused this sort of culture in which you are clearly linked to, by concocting desires that can be instantly satisfied.

lol. This is the real problem with our country today. People like you who believe that billion dollar corporations are like they're parents. It's no longer "Honor your father and mother" it's "Honor your corporate overlord."

Actually, I believe that corporations are tyrannical in structure. I am a libertarian socialist or anarcho-syndicalist and therefore believe that the ownership (if you want to call it that) of any business should be held by the people who do the labour. This absurd straw man is only further evidence that you are incapable of behaving like a rational adult at this time. In fact, my position on business in general was made quite clear in the last sentence where I talk about how businesses typically concoct desires.

The fact that I am entirely anti-corporate, have spent the better part of my adult years taking part in activist culture that works to challenge corporate culture, does not change the fact that you are, indeed, a poster child for the culture of entitlement. In fact, if anyone can provide a glowing example for the kind of bad work that the corporate world has done, it's you.

I'm an anarchist too. Mutualist, to be more precise. I wonder how many Beach Boys fans are far-left like this. Feels like most are old grumpy conservatives to be honest.

sh*t, I felt totally sure about the 4th October date. Now, I don't know what to think.

[Andrew G. Doe]

As much as you want this to be true, and as much as you like your little video, that's not how the relationship between businesses and customers work, sorry. They DO owe use whatever we want to be owed, and if they don't give us what we want, then we don't have to buy it. We're doing them a favor, not the other way around. We're buying their product, we're the consumer, and if they don't make us happy, then they don't get our money. Sorry! Again, your logic here goes both ways. Why is Capitol entitled? Why is it that we just have to put up with whatever they do and shut our mouths? Maybe you should send your video to them, I think they could learn a little something.

Be very careful - remember what (almost) happened the last time consumers tried to actually buy stuff from Capitol. We might not be so lucky next time. The Hoff might be otherwise occupied. How tragic would that be ?

[The Heartical Don]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified. That's been my point all along, they aren't doing themselves any favors with their current approach and if they lose any sales, even just one, then it stands to reason they would have been better suited by a different approach.

Something bizarre's happening with this thread altogether. No offence Sgt Smile, I'm picking on your post here but there's plenty more much worse.

If it hadn't been for Al letting slip, we probably mightn't even know about this product yet.

Why not pretend you don't know about it, then it'll be a surprise when it does come out, and you and Phil can excuse yourselves buying it?

I'm gonna pretend I don't know about this thread for a while and maybe share an Islay malt with the Don…   

Ghost, Redklicktrout, you both stay a way from my sister in the meantime, y'hear?

Good call, makes eminent sense. You and DrBeachBoy are right. Capitol itself did not give us anything that we may now have to criticize the company for. Al Sardine couldn't hold his champagne that well, and had a case of loose lips; no harm done at all, he made us happy. I'm going to have a malt with Wee Helper. As long as 'this year' can refer to 2011, there's not a cloud on the horizon.

[tansen]

For all we know the tracklist might not even be complete, which in that case it would be ridiculous for Capitol to release one (imagine pissed off some people at this board if the early tracklist didn't fit the final product). Same can be said for the release date, they might not even know the exact date themselves yet.

[ghost]

I agree. I'm In Great Shape had so much potential. Just listen to the piano demo. One of the most playful and original melodies I've ever heard. "Freshen air around my head/mornings tumble out of bed/eggs and grits and lickety-SPLIT. look at me jump I'm in the great shape of the open country...". I want more!

I can't imagine the 1966 model "I'm In Great Shape" resembled what is on BWPS. Brian's songs from that era had a verse/chorus/verse structure where the BWPS version is really a bunch of bits strung together. I'd bet the "eggs & grits" section was the verse or chorus and cycled through the song. Of course, there were Great Shape sessions we don't have tapes for so we don't really know how complete it was in 1966.

Speaking of...anyone know if the 'best' take of the short 'eggs & grits' instrumental was snipped off the reel? None of the 3 takes in circulation were the 'best' take or am I thinking of something else?

My favorite "lesser track" of Smile (as we imagine it) would have to be Holidays. Ever since I heard those opening chords on that hissy tape version. It has a dynamic sound compared to the thing it became on BWPS. It doesn't sound as Disney & safe, but more of what VDP called cartoon-consciousness. Great Shape was cool on the sessions but not surprisingly it fell flat on BWPS - mostly just the poor use of effect on the trippy gravity just disappeared part.

[buddhahat]

Try splicing in Barnyard right in the middle of the tape explosion effect of Great Shape when it's at its loudest point-  It sounds like the perfect smile track

[37!ws]

"tape explosion effect" = reverb. All you do is make sure that the reel you're recording on also has its volume potted up on the mixing board. The further up it's potted, the wetter the reverb. Obviously, whoever put the effect on gradually potted up the music. Same effect that's on the "sections" track on disc 2 of the Good Vibrations set, the section immediately before "false Barnyard."