SMiLE Sessions box set!

[Mike's Beard]

Hi my real name is Mike's Beard.

[The Shift]

Forget the economic crisis. Obama did not for nothing say that the USA still are an AAA country. F*ck Standard and Poor's, these are anti-cultural, underpriviliged, overpaid, tarot-card laying, tea leaf-reading, urine-watching, ball-gazing, and astrologically obsessed dimwits anyways, they do not merit nor will they have any place in the SMiLE saga at all. WE DO! THE REVOLUTION STARTS HERE AND WILL D*MN NOT BE TELEVISED!

And any self-respecting AAA country would release a $ 200 item of incomparable cultural significance. So will America. As Paul Williams wrote about the 1993 GV Box Set: eat peanut buttered sandwiches for a month if you must, this item is INDISPENSIBLE!

I am in my MOSES mood, folks. I will lead you out of Egyptian slavery, that ragged country where Kenny G. is Pharao's personal favourite court favourite (but then, what does that diminutive sociopath Pharaoh know, har har???). I will lead you through the Red Sea, which parted after the mighty Mark Linett and Alan Boyd commanded it to do so. And together we will enter that Promised Land of Canaän, where our collected HI-FI SETS are set up. And I will see the back parts of THE LORD on Mount Horeb. and HE will give me a couple of thousand copies of that SMILE SESSIONS BOX SET!

Did ye hear me? DID YE HEAR ME?

Ease off the double-shot espressos, maybe Don…

[tansen]

I wish we could have a 'Like' and a 'disLike' button on this forum. There are some really good posts on this forum, and some really bad ones. Would be nice to be able to express that without having to actually write a response

Hey, Tansen... we offer you insider knowledge about so many different cultures of the world, with an emphasis on Hans Brinker Country, and you want to judge anonymously? Sakkerloot! What's an intelligent bunch of people to do whilst waiting for THE archival release of the past 50 years? Flame each other because of individual likes/dislikes of contents that we don't even know yet? The only other option I see is opening a betting contest about the actual release date. But I am against gambling any way.

Well, Don. I was more thinking in positive terms. So if someone comes with a good remark or some good information, It'd be nice to show support via a like button - anonymous or not!

[The Heartical Don]

I wish we could have a 'Like' and a 'disLike' button on this forum. There are some really good posts on this forum, and some really bad ones. Would be nice to be able to express that without having to actually write a response

Hey, Tansen... we offer you insider knowledge about so many different cultures of the world, with an emphasis on Hans Brinker Country, and you want to judge anonymously? Sakkerloot! What's an intelligent bunch of people to do whilst waiting for THE archival release of the past 50 years? Flame each other because of individual likes/dislikes of contents that we don't even know yet? The only other option I see is opening a betting contest about the actual release date. But I am against gambling any way.

Well, Don. I was more thinking in positive terms. So if someone comes with a good remark or some good information, It'd be nice to show support via a like button - anonymous or not!

OK, I like you. Now you're part of my gang.

[tansen]

I wish we could have a 'Like' and a 'disLike' button on this forum. There are some really good posts on this forum, and some really bad ones. Would be nice to be able to express that without having to actually write a response

Hey, Tansen... we offer you insider knowledge about so many different cultures of the world, with an emphasis on Hans Brinker Country, and you want to judge anonymously? Sakkerloot! What's an intelligent bunch of people to do whilst waiting for THE archival release of the past 50 years? Flame each other because of individual likes/dislikes of contents that we don't even know yet? The only other option I see is opening a betting contest about the actual release date. But I am against gambling any way.

Well, Don. I was more thinking in positive terms. So if someone comes with a good remark or some good information, It'd be nice to show support via a like button - anonymous or not!

OK, I like you. Now you're part of my gang.

See how a like-button would be nice right here?

[The Heartical Don]

I wish we could have a 'Like' and a 'disLike' button on this forum. There are some really good posts on this forum, and some really bad ones. Would be nice to be able to express that without having to actually write a response

Hey, Tansen... we offer you insider knowledge about so many different cultures of the world, with an emphasis on Hans Brinker Country, and you want to judge anonymously? Sakkerloot! What's an intelligent bunch of people to do whilst waiting for THE archival release of the past 50 years? Flame each other because of individual likes/dislikes of contents that we don't even know yet? The only other option I see is opening a betting contest about the actual release date. But I am against gambling any way.

Well, Don. I was more thinking in positive terms. So if someone comes with a good remark or some good information, It'd be nice to show support via a like button - anonymous or not!

OK, I like you. Now you're part of my gang.

See how a like-button would be nice right here?

  yea mon - let's have sex!

[SMiLE Brian]

Forget the economic crisis. Obama did not for nothing say that the USA still are an AAA country. F*ck Standard and Poor's, these are anti-cultural, underpriviliged, overpaid, tarot-card laying, tea leaf-reading, urine-watching, ball-gazing, and astrologically obsessed dimwits anyways, they do not merit nor will they have any place in the SMiLE saga at all. WE DO! THE REVOLUTION STARTS HERE AND WILL D*MN NOT BE TELEVISED!

And any self-respecting AAA country would release a $ 200 item of incomparable cultural significance. So will America. As Paul Williams wrote about the 1993 GV Box Set: eat peanut buttered sandwiches for a month if you must, this item is INDISPENSIBLE!

I am in my MOSES mood, folks. I will lead you out of Egyptian slavery, that ragged country where Kenny G. is Pharao's personal court favourite (but then, what does that diminutive sociopath Pharaoh know, har har???). I will lead you through the Red Sea, which parted after the mighty Mark Linett and Alan Boyd commanded it to do so. And together we will enter that Promised Land of Canaän, where our collected HI-FI SETS are set up. And I will see the back parts of THE LORD on Mount Horeb. and HE will give me a couple of thousand copies of that SMILE SESSIONS BOX SET!

Did ye hear me? DID YE HEAR ME?

Do we get a rest stop at Kokomo, Mike Love's secret forever 1980s beach resort.

[The Heartical Don]

Forget the economic crisis. Obama did not for nothing say that the USA still are an AAA country. F*ck Standard and Poor's, these are anti-cultural, underpriviliged, overpaid, tarot-card laying, tea leaf-reading, urine-watching, ball-gazing, and astrologically obsessed dimwits anyways, they do not merit nor will they have any place in the SMiLE saga at all. WE DO! THE REVOLUTION STARTS HERE AND WILL D*MN NOT BE TELEVISED!

And any self-respecting AAA country would release a $ 200 item of incomparable cultural significance. So will America. As Paul Williams wrote about the 1993 GV Box Set: eat peanut buttered sandwiches for a month if you must, this item is INDISPENSIBLE!

I am in my MOSES mood, folks. I will lead you out of Egyptian slavery, that ragged country where Kenny G. is Pharao's personal court favourite (but then, what does that diminutive sociopath Pharaoh know, har har???). I will lead you through the Red Sea, which parted after the mighty Mark Linett and Alan Boyd commanded it to do so. And together we will enter that Promised Land of Canaän, where our collected HI-FI SETS are set up. And I will see the back parts of THE LORD on Mount Horeb. and HE will give me a couple of thousand copies of that SMILE SESSIONS BOX SET!

Did ye hear me? DID YE HEAR ME?

Do we get a rest stop at Kokomo, Mike Love's secret forever 1980s beach resort.

  oh yes, dear Smile Brian oh brother how art thou? Ye shall drink water from the Holy Well of Kokomo and then enjoy a Summer in Paradise, because I, the Lord, am cool towards my own Children of Israel. Ye need only to demonstrate your faith and loyalty, and ye shall have no need nor want... pray and ye shall be given, i.e. the Smile Sessions Clay Tablets... courtesy of Capitol Recors Inc., a community of craftsmen that still is a bit on the slowish side and therefore thinks that because the Children of Israel wandered the Deserts for Fourty Years, they can take as long as that to finally come up with the true Goodies... I shall give them light Punishment for that, if they Repent, that is, for their snail-like work rates...

[The Shift]

Don, Don, Don…  I hear a dram does wonders for countering the java effect. Come and have a nip & a pint at my local -  it's right next door.

And no, we can't have sex.

On a more topical topic note, given that BW's album's release is announced (albeit second hand) we might logically assume that review copies will be in the hands of journos before review copies of TSS, which means that even if the TSS Oct 4/ITKoD Oct 11 dates remain, the reviews of Brian's latest effort will beat those of TSS. Own goal?

[The Heartical Don]

Don, Don, Don…  I hear a dram does wonders for countering the java effect. Come and have a nip & a pint at my local -  it's right next door.

And no, we can't have sex.

On a more topical topic note, given that BW's album's release is announced (albeit second hand) we might logically assume that review copies will be in the hands of journos before review copies of TSS, which means that even if the TSS Oct 4/ITKoD Oct 11 dates remain, the reviews of Brian's latest effort will beat those of TSS. Own goal?

Ha... I feel better already. That schedule you propose is mystifying. Unless those in charge assume that the two releases (three, I should say, there's the 'regular' Smile 2-CD also) will target entirely different audiences, there will inevitably be a 'shot in the own foot' situation. I see that I phrased it wrongly: there will be such an embarrassment, because the audiences will be strongly overlapping anyway, whatever the gameplan is. The Smile double disk and the Disney album will both be reviewed by many, deservedly so. And BW will be competing with BW, inevitably.

All of which makes me doubt a Oct 4 release of the Sessions. That is sad. Will the oft-quoted 'this year' then come to mean: a couple of weeks before Christmas?

[seanmurd]

That schedule you propose is mystifying. Unless those in charge assume that the two releases (three, I should say, there's the 'regular' Smile 2-CD also) will target entirely different audiences, there will inevitably be a 'shot in the own foot' situation. I see that I phrased it wrongly: there will be such an embarrassment, because the audiences will be strongly overlapping anyway, whatever the gameplan is. The Smile double disk and the Disney album will both be reviewed by many, deservedly so. And BW will be competing with BW, inevitably.

All of which makes me doubt a Oct 4 release of the Sessions. That is sad. Will the oft-quoted 'this year' then come to mean: a couple of weeks before Christmas?

As it turns out, you were right to doubt the October 4th date, in light of the Oct. 11th date for the Disney album. The SMiLE box is now scheduled for 11/1 -- per an email I just received from Dave Curtis at Direct Current Music:

Hey Sean --

I just got the new EMI schedule and The Smile Sessions have been bumped AGAIN.

New street is November 1.

10/04/11   11/01/11   BEACH BOYS, THE   SMILE SESSIONS, THE (2 CD)
10/04/11   11/01/11   BEACH BOYS, THE   SMILE SESSIONS, THE (BOX SET)
10/04/11   11/01/11   BEACH BOYS, THE   SMILE SESSIONS, THE (VINYL)

Now, before the wailing and gnashing of teeth and rending of garments begins, let's look at the bright side of this: (a) We may be well outside the Grammy eligibility period for 2011 now, but we are still firmly within the "this year" promise of last March. (b) Rather than seeing this latest date change as a sign of chaos or "Smilepocalypse" as some might, I see it as possible corporate synergy, and perhaps one of the last logistical pieces of the puzzle to be worked out before official announcements can be made. In other words, Brian wants the Disney CD to sell, but he (or his handlers) know that all the buzz will belong to SMiLE this fall. What to do? Hold back a finished album until 2012, when there will be NO buzz for it? No -- the smarter thing to do would be to make sure the Disney CD is already OUT when the SMiLE box comes out, so that record stores (the few that remain) can keep a modest stack of Brian's little $9.99 CD right next to the mountain of SMiLE boxes on Nov. 1. If you're going to pony up for the SMiLE box, you're more likely to say, "Why not?" and pick up Brian's CD too.

Sound crazy, or counterproductive, or even self-cannibalizing? No, not really -- the Beatles do this all the time. "Ooh, The Beatles Anthology is finally coming out on DVD -- wait, what's this?? A new Ringo album? Out at exactly the same time?! What an amazing coincidence!" The Fabs often schedule solo projects to "latch onto" higher-profile Beatles releases, and I'm sure it helps sales some, or they wouldn't bother doing it. The downside of this later release date for me is that the announcement and track list can now be pushed back into September or even October -- although I'll hang onto Peter Reum's assertion that it would be coming soon. As always, optimism must outweigh pessimism, and as long as the extra time goes towards making the box as great as it can be, I'm all for the so-called "delays."

Edit: Dave has broken the news on the DC website: http://www.directcurrentmusic.com/dc-music-news-feed/2011/8/9/the-beach-boys-smile-sessions-bumped-again-to-november-1.html

[2 and a half]

The SMiLE box is now scheduled for 11/1

Beware the Ides of Cohen!! We're all doomed I tell you - Doomed!!! 

[Shady]

Pushed back a month

 

[Dunderhead]

LOL! Paging Phil Cohen to the smile thread, paging Phil Cohen to the smile thread.

Seriously, a couple of points.

1. I don't trust this website that's giving us these dates. Everyone has just decided that whatever that site says is the release date, but who the f*ck really knows. I'm hoping that it's just wrong and doesn't reflect reality, but if it is right....

2. Who the f*ck cares about Brian's Disney album? Not me. You know, sure, I'm sure it's tasteful and kinda cute. But f*ck it, I'd rather see the thing remain unreleased if it meant TSS was released a month earlier. The idea that they're pushing back this release so Brian can sell more copies of his Disney album is insulting.

3. f*ck this whole thing. I'm so sick of it, it's just a neverending run of bs. We were just told in this very thread by a supposed "insider" that the release was on schedule for the window we were all talking about, which was before October 4th. He also told us we'd have an announcement "soon". Of course now we're seeing the thing pushed back again. That's why I really hope this new date isn't accurate, I felt a little better about this when we were told the release was on schedule for the discussed window, but I'm pretty irked that within a week of that we see the thing pushed back out of the window.

4. If they are not releasing this before October 4th, they need to come asap and tell us what the f is going on. Stop jerking us around guys, it's getting ridiculous. I don't care what you say, you need to update us, alright? Enough is enough. I guess the bright side of this is that there can be only one more delay before the set is no longer on track for a 2011 release. And if we get to that point, I think it'll be clear that the project isn't happening.

But let's get some smile-boxset dreamers in here to rationalize this move and make excuses for Capitol's game playing for us. I can already hear it now "It's not game playing! It's called marketing strategy. They want to maximize sales of both albums. blah blah blah"

[seanmurd]

LOL! Paging Phil Cohen to the smile thread, paging Phil Cohen to the smile thread.

Seriously, a couple of points.

1. I don't trust this website that's giving us these dates. Everyone has just decided that whatever that site says is the release date, but who the f*ck really knows. I'm hoping that it's just wrong and doesn't reflect reality, but if it is right....

2. Who the f*ck cares about Brian's Disney album? Not me. You know, sure, I'm sure it's tasteful and kinda cute. But f*ck it, I'd rather see the thing remain unreleased if it meant TSS was released a month earlier. The idea that they're pushing back this release so Brian can sell more copies of his Disney album is insulting.

3. f*ck this whole thing. I'm so sick of it, it's just a neverending run of bs. We were just told in this very thread by a supposed "insider" that the release was on schedule for the window we were all talking about, which was before October 4th. He also told us we'd have an announcement "soon". Of course now we're seeing the thing pushed back again. That's why I really hope this new date isn't accurate, I felt a little better about this when we were told the release was on schedule for the discussed window, but I'm pretty irked that within a week of that we see the thing pushed back out of the window.

4. If they are not releasing this before October 4th, they need to come asap and tell us what the f is going on. Stop jerking us around guys, it's getting ridiculous. I don't care what you say, you need to update us, alright? Enough is enough. I guess the bright side of this is that there can be only one more delay before the set is no longer on track for a 2011 release. And if we get to that point, I think it'll be clear that the project isn't happening.

But let's get some smile-boxset dreamers in here to rationalize this move and make excuses for Capitol's game playing for us. I can already here it now "It's not game playing! It's called marketing strategy. They want to maximize sales of both albums. blah blah blah"

Well, you reacted the way I'd expect a sergeant to react. "Capitol, you are out of line, maggot! Drop and give me 20 -- and then tell me when SMiLE is coming out!!"

[Peter Reum]

They are obviously marketing iy for Christmas, which makes sense to me...I guess two albums within a week was not good for Capitol.  Patience......

[Shady]

They are obviously marketing iy for Christmas, which makes sense to me...I guess two albums within a week was not good for Capitol.  Patience......

It's a good idea actually..

Just a shame about the wait

[seanmurd]

They are obviously marketing it for Christmas, which makes sense to me...I guess two albums within a week was not good for Capitol.  Patience......

So, Peter, does this new 11/1 date still fit within the "window" you were referring to last week? And do you still feel that some kind of announcement will be forthcoming soon? I've been preaching "patience" as much as anyone, but I have to admit that secretly this is driving me a little nuts too...

[PhilCohen]

if you guys were expecting me to post something expressing outrage or surprise, sorry to disappoint you. I don't care anymore whether the box is released or not. I'm going to collect the many upcoming CD box archival projects by artists  and/or artist estates who treat the fans with respect.

[OBLiO]

Forget the economic crisis. Obama did not for nothing say that the USA still are an AAA country. F*ck Standard and Poor's, these are anti-cultural, underpriviliged, overpaid, tarot-card laying, tea leaf-reading, urine-watching, ball-gazing, and astrologically obsessed dimwits anyways, they do not merit nor will they have any place in the SMiLE saga at all. WE DO! THE REVOLUTION STARTS HERE AND WILL D*MN NOT BE TELEVISED!

And any self-respecting AAA country would release a $ 200 item of incomparable cultural significance. So will America. As Paul Williams wrote about the 1993 GV Box Set: eat peanut buttered sandwiches for a month if you must, this item is INDISPENSIBLE!

I am in my MOSES mood, folks. I will lead you out of Egyptian slavery, that ragged country where Kenny G. is Pharao's personal court favourite (but then, what does that diminutive sociopath Pharaoh know, har har???). I will lead you through the Red Sea, which parted after the mighty Mark Linett and Alan Boyd commanded it to do so. And together we will enter that Promised Land of Canaän, where our collected HI-FI SETS are set up. And I will see the back parts of THE LORD on Mount Horeb. and HE will give me a couple of thousand copies of that SMILE SESSIONS BOX SET!

Did ye hear me? DID YE HEAR ME?

So what you are really saying is that Thomas Jefferson was the re-incarnation of Moses. 

[37!ws]

seanmurd -- actually, the Fabs don't do that at all. Many of their projects over the past decade (at least!) were pushed back due to, say, a McCartney solo album or a George Harrison remaster series...the phrase "so they don't saturate the marketplace" always comes up.

Of course, it helps that until recently, all the stuff was still under the EMI umbrella. The Smile Sessions is a Capitol project, while the Disney album is by Disney. And I'm anxious to hear both, personally.

[Mike's Beard]

Exactly. Two different records companies are not going to compete with each over the same artist.

[Dunderhead]

I don't know what market saturation they think will occur. After all haven't people been saying the whole time that it doesn't matter what Capitol does because everyone will buy TSS no matter what? Now all of a sudden it matters? Uh...
They aren't even being released by the same label. And I'd really hate to think that Disney plopped down Brian's new album then and forced Capitol, in their infinitely misguided wisdom, to push back TSS, seeing as how they couldn't move the date up. The only place to go was back. That would be a real stinker. I'm not buying Brian's new album, especially after this development.

This is bogus guys. I'm really annoyed with this.

[seanmurd]

seanmurd -- actually, the Fabs don't do that at all. Many of their projects over the past decade (at least!) were pushed back due to, say, a McCartney solo album or a George Harrison remaster series...the phrase "so they don't saturate the marketplace" always comes up.

Actually, the Fabs DO coordinate releases all the time, and solo projects do often get released close to Beatle projects -- but I admit I'd have to scour the different release dates to produce actual examples. When you're talking about releasing a solo album (especially a minor one, like a live Ringo CD) next to a Beatles CD or DVD, "saturating the marketplace" doesn't even come close to being a problem -- it's more like a flea hitching a ride on an elephant.

[Heysaboda]

Did ye hear me? DID YE HEAR ME?

I hear ye, Don!

Hear Ye Hear Ye Hear Ye!

Order in the court, order in the court
The first one to speak is a monkey for a week.........