New Beach Boys release will make you 'SMiLE'

[Mahalo]

Aye, but some of us here would like to hear all 54,334 takes of George Fell Into His French Horn in stereo and mono and quad, with every false start, every three minute and seven minute edit... foder, I even want the 1978 disco mix of George...!

I forgot which section of part 2 Surf's Up I was listening to, but I noticed there was a moment where George Fell into his French Horn would've fit perfectly behind Brian's vocals...

[buddhahat]

And I agree with Chris Brown that Love To Say Dada is an interesting title as it says more about childhood/parenthood than water. I commented earlier in this thread (I think) that a session for Dada on the Secret Smile boot moves into another section after the 2nd part, and this 3rd section is very similar sounding to parts of Child Is Father To The Man (specifically the piano only version , where they sound like they're singing "Wood Chuck"). This, combined with the suggestive title, makes me wonder if Love To Say Dada was in some way connected to Child.

Again, you have to look at when DaDa was recorded, and when other Smile tracks were recorded.   In April, BW was recording Vegetables and a new CIFOTM for a possible single release.  DaDa was recorded in May.  I don't think anyone knows why, but it seems far more likely that it would be connected to Child and/or Vegetables than that it would have anything to do with water, given that work on The Elements had stopped months earlier and that it had already been announced that Smile was scrapped.  The ongoing insistence of many that DaDa = water just amazes me.

Oh I didn't realise Brian was working on Child as late April, just before dada. That is interesting, thanks Jeff.

[Dunderhead]

When was the child session in April? On AGD's site there are only 6 child sessions listed, all of them in 1966.

[willy]

A curious thing to chuck into the pot but, on a BBC interview with Van Dyke at the time of BWPS, he said that Brian supplied bars of music that Van Dyke filled up with words and, to paraphrase VDP, "Brian didn't 'write' ''Surf's Up', Brian 'wrote' 'Da Da'." In a tum-te-tum- de-de-de thing.

Could the 'Da Da' in 'ILTSDD' have possibly been a temporary wordfill in the absence of a proper title? Crikey I need to go and get some sleep...... 

[Jeff]

When was the child session in April? On AGD's site there are only 6 child sessions listed, all of them in 1966.

Maybe AGD can help here.  This is from memory, but the Child version that has the chirpy vocals and starts with that bit from Vegetables was recorded in April, I believe.  Maybe it was logged as a Vegetables session.

[Jeff]

Here's an old post from "Real Beach Boy" saying that it was recorded in March 1967.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=6699.25

[Andrew G. Doe]

When was the child session in April? On AGD's site there are only 6 child sessions listed, all of them in 1966.

Maybe AGD can help here.  This is from memory, but the Child version that has the chirpy vocals and starts with that bit from Vegetables was recorded in April, I believe.  Maybe it was logged as a Vegetables session.

All I can say is that ever since I've been a hard-core BB fan/researcher/your synonym for geek here, I've never seen any documentation for a "CIFTOTM" session in April 1967... or indeed 1967 at all. Don't see why there should be, seeing as Brian has the track edited and mixed to mono in November 1966.

[Jason]

It should be noted that the March 1967 session I referenced in the quoted post was indeed a Vega-Tables session, not a CIFOTM session, even though the "chorus" was the recorded piece. Should have noted that more clearly.

[PhilCohen]

Gosh. While I was getting out of my house, taking several walks(to get some oxygen as one forum member suggested), and heeding the advice from another forum member to not "kick any puppies" while I'm out there, you guys were still going on with your Capitol Records "Smile" CD release fantasies......even in the face of a discouraging silence from Brian Wilson & Capitol Records. I guess that some old habits die hard.

[Jeff]

When was the child session in April? On AGD's site there are only 6 child sessions listed, all of them in 1966.

Maybe AGD can help here.  This is from memory, but the Child version that has the chirpy vocals and starts with that bit from Vegetables was recorded in April, I believe.  Maybe it was logged as a Vegetables session.

All I can say is that ever since I've been a hard-core BB fan/researcher/your synonym for geek here, I've never seen any documentation for a "CIFTOTM" session in April 1967... or indeed 1967 at all. Don't see why there should be, seeing as Brian has the track edited and mixed to mono in November 1966.

I'm certainly not an expert, so I don't want to try to defend something that I can't defend.  But SOT 16 CIFOTM is an entirely different piece than the one that had been mixed to mono.  Different vocals, different track.

Also, the SOT 16 version begins with a bit that was only recorded for Vegetables in April or so (maybe March).  Maybe the SOT folks just tacked it on.  But otherwise, that certainly points to a spring recording date.

Anyway, I swear that I read a number of times that it was recorded in April (or maybe March or May) 1967, but as I say, I can't find specific evidence of this, so who knows.

[Jason]

It was recorded in March of 1967.

[Jeff]

Real, are you saying then that the second Child was recorded in March, but as a Vegetables session?

[18thofMay]

Gosh. While I was getting out of my house, taking several walks(to get some oxygen as one forum member suggested), and heeding the advice from another forum member to not "kick any puppies" while I'm out there, you guys were still going on with your Capitol Records "Smile" CD release fantasies......even in the face of a discouraging silence from Brian Wilson & Capitol Records. I guess that some old habits die hard.

Whilst walking try flapping your arms! You dont need a long neck to be a goose..

[Jason]

Real, are you saying then that the second Child was recorded in March, but as a Vegetables session?

Basically, yes. The "second Child" technically might have been considered a Vegetables session, however the only March 1967 date that was even close to a Vega-Tables session was, I believe, the March 31st one, listed as "Tones" on the AFM sheet. Even then it's "iffy". It might be April during regular Vega-Tables sessions. Either way, it wasn't a concerted attempt at a second real VERSION of CIFOTM, but more or less one of those repeated feels. Like how "Do A Lot" started out as part of Heroes and Villains and then ended up as part of Vega-Tables. It ties into the whole idea of Smile as a thematic work with repeated ideas.

[JaredLekites]

Sometimes it takes a little while...

...but the way it turns out will make you S M i L E

 

[PapaNez22]

With the permission and input from Misters Hunt & Lane, the SMiLE Shop is now on the book of face:



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Good to read this thread and read some folks I hadn't heard from in years.

It may be 10 years late...but it's better late than never right!?!

[PapaNez22]

Sometimes it takes a little while...

...but the way it turns out will make you S M i L E

 

Holy hell Jared! I remember you from when you were a wee kid back in the day! Good to see you still carry the torch my friend.

[bgas]

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Good to read this thread and read some folks I hadn't heard from in years.

It may be 10 years late...but it's better late than never right!?!

Almost makes me want to rejoin Facebook, but I'll pass.

[Andrew G. Doe]

When was the child session in April? On AGD's site there are only 6 child sessions listed, all of them in 1966.

Maybe AGD can help here.  This is from memory, but the Child version that has the chirpy vocals and starts with that bit from Vegetables was recorded in April, I believe.  Maybe it was logged as a Vegetables session.

All I can say is that ever since I've been a hard-core BB fan/researcher/your synonym for geek here, I've never seen any documentation for a "CIFTOTM" session in April 1967... or indeed 1967 at all. Don't see why there should be, seeing as Brian has the track edited and mixed to mono in November 1966.

Also, the SOT 16 version begins with a bit that was only recorded for Vegetables in April or so (maybe March).  Maybe the SOT folks just tacked it on.  But otherwise, that certainly points to a spring recording date.

Alternatively, it points to 1) the 'leggers doing exactly what the producers of the box set did with a Smile fragment, i.e. tacking it on to another, completely unrelated song... or 2) seeing as the opening of the SOT 16 track is patently a demo/practise, it was recorded much earlier: the booklet, FWIW, states it's take 5 of part 1 - which apparently isn't listed on SOT 17. However, on SOT 17 disc two, said piano track for the chorus, sans vocals, is included (as 'unknown take'), with a count-in where the "Vega-tables" vocal part was fairly obviously later added by the 'leggers. Nothing here to support a 1967 date.

Anyway, I swear that I read a number of times that it was recorded in April (or maybe March or May) 1967, but as I say, I can't find specific evidence of this, so who knows.

I've never read anything like that, nor do I know anyone - barring your good self - who says they have.

[buddhahat]

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Good to read this thread and read some folks I hadn't heard from in years.

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Great to see the Smile Shop on FB. I liked and joined, and put in my 2p in The Elements discussion!

Buddhahat/Ben Kirchner

[Andrew G. Doe]

Gosh. While I was getting out of my house, taking several walks(to get some oxygen as one forum member suggested), and heeding the advice from another forum member to not "kick any puppies" while I'm out there, you guys were still going on with your Capitol Records "Smile" CD release fantasies......even in the face of a discouraging silence from Brian Wilson & Capitol Records. I guess that some old habits die hard.

Oh my... this is going to be such fun.    I see a fish... in a barrel... now, where's my 12-gauge ?

[shelter]

Anyone know why Frank Holmes' site and email is down?

Frank had been selling Smile art prints from that site.  It's been down for months.

Rhetorical question... Has Capitol finally paid him so they have the rights to the original cover/booklet art?

Well, if Holmes owns the rights to the entire cover art (not just the drawings but the typography as well), I'd think that Capitol must have, as they're using the Beach Boys logo from the Smile cover on an official release.

[Dove Nested Towers]

Anyone know why Frank Holmes' site and email is down?

Frank had been selling Smile art prints from that site.  It's been down for months.

Rhetorical question... Has Capitol finally paid him so they have the rights to the original cover/booklet art?

Well, if Holmes owns the rights to the entire cover art (not just the drawings but the typography as well), I'd think that Capitol must have, as they're using the Beach Boys logo from the Smile cover on an official release.

Elementary!

[Dove Nested Towers]

Gosh. While I was getting out of my house, taking several walks(to get some oxygen as one forum member suggested), and heeding the advice from another forum member to not "kick any puppies" while I'm out there, you guys were still going on with your Capitol Records "Smile" CD release fantasies......even in the face of a discouraging silence from Brian Wilson & Capitol Records. I guess that some old habits die hard.

A very persuasive confluence of factors indicates otherwise. The silence doesn't strike me (& many others here) as "discouraging". For someone so well-informed you seem remarkably obtuse! No gratuitous offense intended.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Anyone know why Frank Holmes' site and email is down?

Frank had been selling Smile art prints from that site.  It's been down for months.

Rhetorical question... Has Capitol finally paid him so they have the rights to the original cover/booklet art?

Well, if Holmes owns the rights to the entire cover art (not just the drawings but the typography as well), I'd think that Capitol must have, as they're using the Beach Boys logo from the Smile cover on an official release.

Elementary!

Not elementary, rather inaccurate. - Frank had nothing to do with the title/artist typeface. Cam Mott established this some years ago.