New Beach Boys release will make you 'SMiLE'

[rab2591]

I think a fellow poster said it best (when Brian's camp announced the release date for BWRG) saying "I have no reason to live for the next 3 months" - I'll be anxiously waiting for the day I finally have a remastered recording of 'Holidays', 'Look!', and 'Do You Dig Worms'.

This question has probably been asked in the previous 33 pages, but what are the chances we will get a mono mix in addition to the stereo mix in this set (like they did with Pet Sounds Sessions)?

Considering what turned up on the GV box, I was going to ask what the chances are of getting a stereo mix in addition to the mono mix?

I just figured the majority of the SMiLE set would be in stereo considering the Pet Sounds Sessions tracks were all in stereo - save the one bonus mono disc. It will be interesting to see what format they use.

[Austin]

If they're completed BW mono mixes, then bring it. Otherwise, I'll take stereo. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all the mono mixes that were on the PS box set were either Brian's original mixes, or alternate/working mixes that didn't have enough stems to make stereo versions out of.

But mixing anything on this upcoming set in mono where stereo is possible would strike me as a bit silly. This isn't 1966 -- mixing technology is way beyond what it was 45 years ago, and Brian (presumably) won't be doing the mixing, so why pretend to make something it isn't?

[rab2591]

I think the majority of the songs would sound good in proper stereo. But songs like 'Holidays', 'I Wanna Be Around/Workshop', 'Barnyard', 'Windchimes', and 'Wonderful' (especially wonderful) have so few instruments in them that it would sound rather silly to have them in stereo...it would end up sounding like the recent Beatles stereo remasters - and those are terrible.

I hope they give us all stereo studio highlights, all stereo tracks, and a bonus disc of mono tracks.

EDIT: on second thought, proper stereo masters for 'Holidays' and 'Windchimes' would probably sound really good.

I implore everyone here to find a copy of the Wrightfan/Warnakey mono mix of SMiLE....such a great mix.

[Ron]

To be fair, Brian never was big on mixing anyways, was he?  I've always heard that his mix of Pet Sounds was rushed and just kind of an afterthought almost to the work that he put in recording the album. 

[Chris Brown]

To be fair, Brian never was big on mixing anyways, was he?  I've always heard that his mix of Pet Sounds was rushed and just kind of an afterthought almost to the work that he put in recording the album. 

Yep, it was apparently done very haphazardly, all kinds of unintended noises and such.  So bad that they made him go back and clean it up. 

After learning that, it's a bit funny to read Anderle saying that on Pet Sounds, Brian was "a man who really cared about his mixes" (or something to that effect), when comparing to the rougher sound of Wild Honey.  Like you alluded to in another thread, Ron, Brian probably didn't think about mixing that much after the recording was done because he figured that he had done all the necessary balancing of voices and instruments during the recording process.

[Dunderhead]

God Everyday I come on here thinking "is today the day? is today the official announcement?"

Also, can we talk about what the title "I Love To Say Da Da" means? Does anybody have any idea where that came from? It's been pointed out that it has the letters LSD in order, but that seems like a stretch because of the fact that there are two 'd's. The title had to have had some meaning to Brian, some reason why it piqued his interest. What is Da Da?

One more thing, does anybody remember the story of Brian's meeting with Thomas Pynchon? Didn't one of the Vosse Posse bring Pynchon to Smile-era party to listen to Brian's acetates? I've been reading Pynchon's Vineland, which is about 60s pop culture nostalgia, and I couldn't help but remember something about Wilson and Pynchon not getting along or something.

[Chris Brown]

God Everyday I come on here thinking "is today the day? is today the official announcement?"

Also, can we talk about what the title "I Love To Say Da Da" means? Does anybody have any idea where that came from? It's been pointed out that it has the letters LSD in order, but that seems like a stretch because of the face that there are two 'd's. The title had to have had some meaning to Brian, some reason why it piqued his interest. What is Da Da?

One more thing, does anybody remember the story of Brian's meeting with Thomas Pynchon? Didn't one of the Vosse Posse bring Pynchon to Smile-era party to listen to Brian's acetates? I've been reading Pynchon's Vineland, which is about the 60s pop culture nostalgia, and I couldn't help but remember something about Wilson and Pynchon not getting along or something.

I've always thought that the title "I Love To Say Da Da" was an extension of Brian's childhood/innocence theme that was fairly pervasive in his work at that time (as the second movement of BWPS very aptly demonstrates).  I doubt it would have been the actual song title once the song was completed, but damn if Brian didn't come up with some cool working titles for Smile songs!

All I remember about the Pynchon story was that it was told in an interview with either Anderle or Vosse, and that Brian either didn't like him or was intimidated by him.  I don't remember which it was (I'm inclined to say the latter), but either way, it wasn't a pleasant meeting.

[buddhahat]

God Everyday I come on here thinking "is today the day? is today the official announcement?"

Also, can we talk about what the title "I Love To Say Da Da" means? Does anybody have any idea where that came from? It's been pointed out that it has the letters LSD in order, but that seems like a stretch because of the fact that there are two 'd's. The title had to have had some meaning to Brian, some reason why it piqued his interest. What is Da Da?

One more thing, does anybody remember the story of Brian's meeting with Thomas Pynchon? Didn't one of the Vosse Posse bring Pynchon to Smile-era party to listen to Brian's acetates? I've been reading Pynchon's Vineland, which is about 60s pop culture nostalgia, and I couldn't help but remember something about Wilson and Pynchon not getting along or something.

Here's some info about the meeting with Pynchon:

http://www.thomaspynchon.com/gravitys-rainbow/extra/siegel.html

And I agree with Chris Brown that Love To Say Dada is an interesting title as it says more about childhood/parenthood than water. I commented earlier in this thread (I think) that a session for Dada on the Secret Smile boot moves into another section after the 2nd part, and this 3rd section is very similar sounding to parts of Child Is Father To The Man (specifically the piano only version , where they sound like they're singing "Wood Chuck"). This, combined with the suggestive title, makes me wonder if Love To Say Dada was in some way connected to Child.

God Everyday I come on here thinking "is today the day? is today the official announcement?"

If this smile release is going to happen, isn't it likely that Brian would release his Disney album first before allowing any announcements to be made about Smile, for fear that the latter might overshadow the former? I can't remember how it worked for BWPS vs GIOMH but wasn't GIOMH released first?

[BJL]

God Everyday I come on here thinking "is today the day? is today the official announcement?"

Also, can we talk about what the title "I Love To Say Da Da" means? Does anybody have any idea where that came from? It's been pointed out that it has the letters LSD in order, but that seems like a stretch because of the fact that there are two 'd's. The title had to have had some meaning to Brian, some reason why it piqued his interest. What is Da Da?

Dada was also a major contemporary art movement in the earlier part of the 20th century, enough so that, especially given the circles he was floating in at the time, Brian may have known the reference.  The dada movement was about humor, rejecting the violence and insanity of modern life, and deconstructing ideas about what art was supposed to be.  Duchamp's famous urinal is a good example.  Smile is not exactly dadaist, but its a reference that would make a degree of sense. 

[Andrew G. Doe]

If this smile release is going to happen, isn't it likely that Brian would release his Disney album first before allowing any announcements to be made about Smile, for fear that the latter might overshadow the former? I can't remember how it worked for BWPS vs GIOMH but wasn't GIOMH released first?

TLOS - sessions end 4/07, released 9/07
BWRG - sessions end 2/10, released 9/10

I'd say you're looking at a release date for BWRD of August, September.

GIOMH was released 6/04 (three months before BWPS), but of course there was a good reason for that.

[Cam Mott]

I believe that Pynchon story came from Jules Siegel.

[letsmakeit31]

Sorry if this is said before in this thread, But hasn't most of the Smile tracks been already out offically in mono via the Good Vibrations Box set in 93??. Only a couple of tracks are missing from the box set e.g. Fire, CITFTTM, Old Master Painter.

[The Shift]

Aye, but some of us here would like to hear all 54,334 takes of George Fell Into His French Horn in stereo and mono and quad, with every false start, every three minute and seven minute edit... foder, I even want the 1978 disco mix of George...!

[letsmakeit31]

Aye, but some of us here would like to hear all 54,334 takes of George Fell Into His French Horn in stereo and mono and quad, with every false start, every three minute and seven minute edit... foder, I even want the 1978 disco mix of George...!

Ha ha, This is something we all want to hear!!! Can't wait to hear the 1978 disco mix If we can't then we will all have to make our own edit's 

[Shady]

Seriously doubt this release is going to happen 

[bgas]

Seriously doubt this release is going to happen 

you're wrong

[The Heartical Don]

Seriously doubt this release is going to happen 

you're wrong

Right-O! Sorry for you, Shady, but 1671 SSnet fans can't be wrong!

[Ron]

They're kinda running out of exciting ideas to release, so I can see this happening.  No way in hell they'd release that 78 if they didn't have something planned.

[Andrew G. Doe]

They're kinda running out of exciting ideas to release, so I can see this happening.  No way in hell they'd release that 78 if they didn't have something planned.

So being asked to contribute to Record Store Day had nothing to do with it ?    It's possible we're all reading too much into three words on a piece of brown paper.

Of course, it's also possible we're not. 

[king of anglia]

Anyone know why Frank Holmes' site and email is down?

[juggler]

Anyone know why Frank Holmes' site and email is down?

Frank had been selling Smile art prints from that site.  It's been down for months.

Rhetorical question... Has Capitol finally paid him so they have the rights to the original cover/booklet art?

[king of anglia]

That's what I was thinking. His email's gone down too though.

[Jeff]

And I agree with Chris Brown that Love To Say Dada is an interesting title as it says more about childhood/parenthood than water. I commented earlier in this thread (I think) that a session for Dada on the Secret Smile boot moves into another section after the 2nd part, and this 3rd section is very similar sounding to parts of Child Is Father To The Man (specifically the piano only version , where they sound like they're singing "Wood Chuck"). This, combined with the suggestive title, makes me wonder if Love To Say Dada was in some way connected to Child.

Again, you have to look at when DaDa was recorded, and when other Smile tracks were recorded.   In April, BW was recording Vegetables and a new CIFOTM for a possible single release.  DaDa was recorded in May.  I don't think anyone knows why, but it seems far more likely that it would be connected to Child and/or Vegetables than that it would have anything to do with water, given that work on The Elements had stopped months earlier and that it had already been announced that Smile was scrapped.  The ongoing insistence of many that DaDa = water just amazes me.

[guitarfool2002]

God Everyday I come on here thinking "is today the day? is today the official announcement?"

Also, can we talk about what the title "I Love To Say Da Da" means? Does anybody have any idea where that came from? It's been pointed out that it has the letters LSD in order, but that seems like a stretch because of the fact that there are two 'd's. The title had to have had some meaning to Brian, some reason why it piqued his interest. What is Da Da?

Dada was also a major contemporary art movement in the earlier part of the 20th century, enough so that, especially given the circles he was floating in at the time, Brian may have known the reference.  The dada movement was about humor, rejecting the violence and insanity of modern life, and deconstructing ideas about what art was supposed to be.  Duchamp's famous urinal is a good example.  Smile is not exactly dadaist, but its a reference that would make a degree of sense. 

I have to agree with the Duchamp reference, as far as the Dada movement - the absurdity of painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa seems to have been something that Brian would have found humorous, or maybe he never even saw Duchamp, who knows...I just think the absurd nature of the Dada art was in line with Brian's concept of absurd humor at that time.

The interesting part of this is how I think someone like Van Dyke, who was more educated in the world of art, or even Anderle, who was an artist himself, would have introduced Brian to some of those things which you might get while studying art but not growing up in Hawthorne than hitting the road as a professional musician. I thought mentioning Dada as an obscure play on words sounded like classic Van Dyke Parks. Brian's working titles were more along the lines of "Carol K" or "Your Ass Is Grass And I'm A Lawnmower" just a year or so before Smile.

I compare it to how Paul McCartney was introduced to a lot of the art and literature he would claim as an influence through Jane Asher's family, who were into the fine arts. I could be WAY off on this.

[Ron]

They're kinda running out of exciting ideas to release, so I can see this happening.  No way in hell they'd release that 78 if they didn't have something planned.

So being asked to contribute to Record Store Day had nothing to do with it ?    It's possible we're all reading too much into three words on a piece of brown paper.

Of course, it's also possible we're not. 

I'm rolling my eyes at you in real life, as opposed to a emoticon.