New Beach Boys release will make you 'SMiLE'

[PhilCohen]

I gotta admit, I have been into this SMiLE business for quite a while now, but I have no idea what "False Barnyard", "Barnshine", and "Air Dada" are. Or "All Day" for that matter. Could somebody explain or Possibly Make it so I finally knew what the merda these parts are supposed to be. I'm so confused on all this.

"All Day"(that title was announced by the engineer) is a bunch of very rough attempts at the "Love to Say Da Da" tune that never went past being backing track rehearsals(rehearsals that happened to be recorded). We're all happy when another fragment, another piece of the puzzle, another clue to the mystery, falls into the hands of collectors, but unless the compiler & engineer of Capitol's new collection find something significant, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel, clutching at straws, or whatever expression you choose. After listening to the various unofficial releases(and my homemade 2-CD collection of the best stuff) for years, I had pretty much given "Smile" listening(including Brian's 2004 version) a rest, when Al Jardine's announcement re-awakened my interest in "Smile". Remember:this was an attempt to record a (Likely) 38 to 40 minute pop music album for release on a 1960's vinyl record. The amount of music that exists, once existed, could possibly be located, or Brian Wilson intended to create, is not infinite.
                                    Let's hope that 6 months or so of "Smile" debate, discussion, analysis & speculation doesn't get us all burnt out by the time that Capitol's product arrives.

[XY]

"All Day"(that title was announced by the engineer) is a bunch of very rough attempts at the "Love to Say Da Da" tune that never went past being backing track rehearsals(rehearsals that happened to be recorded).

You forgot to add that it's Brian solo on piano. It's like when he recorded the Harpsichord for "Wonderful", many takes were needed until he got it, because he obviously didn't like homework. An early version of "Dada" or "Cool, Cool, Water".

[?]

We really need an index for this stuff...I just gave myself a headache going through bootlegs looking for All Day.  I didn't want to ask because I knew I had it somewhere.  Ugh.  Finally found it on Heroes and Villains Sessions volume 2.

[PhilCohen]

We really need an index for this stuff...I just gave myself a headache going through bootlegs looking for All Day.  I didn't want to ask because I knew I had it somewhere.  Ugh.  Finally found it on Heroes and Villains Sessions volume 2.

....and it's also on "Psychedelic Sounds".

[?]

Ah, yeah it is.  I wouldn't have even thought to look on there.  I only remembered the skits and chants being on that one.  We need an index!

[Jim V.]

So is "Air Dada" = "All Day"?

And still, what is "Barnshine" and "False Barnyard"?

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

So is "Air Dada" = "All Day"?

And still, what is "Barnshine" and "False Barnyard"?

Barnshine - the ho-down fade of H&V (which was originally the third part of "Old Master Painter/'Sunshine"). On one version of this fragment, vocals can be (barely) heard featuring "You Are My Sunshine" lyrics.

False Barnyard - same ho-down fade thing as mentioned above, sans extra vocals. Named so because it  was erroneously labeled "Barnyard" on many of the old boots.

[?]

Yep.  And Air Dada is the version of the second section of Love to Say Dada found on Secret Smile and The Big Grin.  Maybe other boots as well?  Can't remember offhand.

[Mark H.]

For old time sake how about a remastered version of "Here Come de Honey Dew Man".  I spent quite a bit of time contemplating that one as Holidays.

[Dove Nested Towers]

For old time sake how about a remastered version of "Here Come de Honey Dew Man".  I spent quite a bit of time contemplating that one as Holidays.

It was an inspired bit of hoaxery.   Ahh, early Smile bootleg memories....

[The Shift]

For old time sake how about a remastered version of "Here Come de Honey Dew Man".  I spent quite a bit of time contemplating that one as Holidays.

It was an inspired bit of hoaxery.  Ahh, early Smile bootleg memories....

Yup, I liked it so much I went out and bought Miles D's Porgy and Bess...

[?]

If they're going to include wacky semi-related bonus tracks, how about the full version of Alan Boyd's Geronimo Leaps song?  With a disclaimer, naturally.

[guitarfool2002]

I understand sensitivities and privacy and all of that, but things like the "Des Jones" reels of tape, and concealing the identity of the keeper of the Inside Pop film footage...

I missed this. Does someone claim to know who has the Inside Pop reels?

Apparently so, but no one is talking. And it was suggested but not confirmed if I remember, that those reels are *video only* and the audio tracks, which would have been separate perhaps as filmed by CBS News at that time, are not with the video. Which means it could be a stack of silent film.

If I remember, again, there were official efforts to contact and get the film from the collector but it failed. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I think people who have posted on this board were involved.

[guitarfool2002]

"All Day"(that title was announced by the engineer) is a bunch of very rough attempts at the "Love to Say Da Da" tune that never went past being backing track rehearsals(rehearsals that happened to be recorded).

You forgot to add that it's Brian solo on piano. It's like when he recorded the Harpsichord for "Wonderful", many takes were needed until he got it, because he obviously didn't like homework. An early version of "Dada" or "Cool, Cool, Water".

Many takes were needed because he played with feel, and he wanted a perfect feel, as we've heard before. That's why his recordings from 66-67 have a bit more humanity than the BWPS versions, at least to my ears.

When recording anything in the studio, taking dozens of takes to perfect an 8 bar solo, let's use as an example, is pretty much the way it works. Did Elvis do his homework when he did upwards of 50 takes on a simple song on some of his early RCA sessions, or was he going for the perfect one?

[Cam Mott]

"All Day"(that title was announced by the engineer) is a bunch of very rough attempts at the "Love to Say Da Da" tune that never went past being backing track rehearsals(rehearsals that happened to be recorded).

You forgot to add that it's Brian solo on piano. It's like when he recorded the Harpsichord for "Wonderful", many takes were needed until he got it, because he obviously didn't like homework. An early version of "Dada" or "Cool, Cool, Water".

Many takes were needed because he played with feel, and he wanted a perfect feel, as we've heard before. That's why his recordings from 66-67 have a bit more humanity than the BWPS versions, at least to my ears.

When recording anything in the studio, taking dozens of takes to perfect an 8 bar solo, let's use as an example, is pretty much the way it works. Did Elvis do his homework when he did upwards of 50 takes on a simple song on some of his early RCA sessions, or was he going for the perfect one?

And the Beach Boys were one of the few super groups of the time who were able/allowed as long as they wanted as often as they wanted in the studio to get-the-perfect-take/do-their-homework-in-the-studio. No producer pushing to get 3 or 4 songs finished in a single 3 hour session.

[Cam Mott]

I understand sensitivities and privacy and all of that, but things like the "Des Jones" reels of tape, and concealing the identity of the keeper of the Inside Pop film footage...

I missed this. Does someone claim to know who has the Inside Pop reels?

Apparently so, but no one is talking. And it was suggested but not confirmed if I remember, that those reels are *video only* and the audio tracks, which would have been separate perhaps as filmed by CBS News at that time, are not with the video. Which means it could be a stack of silent film.

If I remember, again, there were official efforts to contact and get the film from the collector but it failed. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I think people who have posted on this board were involved.

Jasper will know better but I thought it had come down to possibly the films had been routinely discarded years back by CBS. The sound was recorded separately but my memory is it was on film instead of video. Maybe not, anyway Jasper will know what is knowable.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I understand sensitivities and privacy and all of that, but things like the "Des Jones" reels of tape, and concealing the identity of the keeper of the Inside Pop film footage...

I missed this. Does someone claim to know who has the Inside Pop reels?

Apparently so, but no one is talking. And it was suggested but not confirmed if I remember, that those reels are *video only* and the audio tracks, which would have been separate perhaps as filmed by CBS News at that time, are not with the video. Which means it could be a stack of silent film.

If I remember, again, there were official efforts to contact and get the film from the collector but it failed. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I think people who have posted on this board were involved.

Nope, you're entirely correct.

[guitarfool2002]

Some of what I remember is what I was told at the time, that after the discussions and the discoveries of Oppenheim's film notes and all of that stuff, that someone working in an official capacity, and that could have been Alan Boyd, was contacted and attempts were made to contact the collector who *apparently* had the reels of Inside Pop film. Do I remember correctly that person wanted an unrealistic sum of money for the film, and the whole thing ended there? Or was that something else?

The frustrating thing was that the whole thing kind of stopped dead, in spite of all of the excitement and interest being generated online. I don't recall much of a follow-up, other than where it is now which is basically nowhere. It was similar to when someone who was supposedly Michael Vosse logged onto the Smile Shop, and was taking questions, but then some board drama erupted and the whole thing turned into chaos. Whether it was Vosse or not, it was kind of cool to get caught up in it, like the premiere of Smile at RFH when reports were coming in from those at the show.

[XY]

I'm the person who located the transcripts of all the "Inside Pop" film reels through the internet (God, I feel important now!).
And guitarfool2002 was great to take the time to look through them at New York University, find the Beach Boys notes + copy them.
But the reels were never discovered! Or am I missing something? I certainly hope so.

[guitarfool2002]

I'm the person who located the transcripts of all the "Inside Pop" film reels through the internet (God, I feel important now!).
And guitarfool2002 was great to take the time to look through them at New York University, find the Beach Boys notes + copy them.
But the reels were never discovered! Or am I missing something? I certainly hope so.

Interesting post, I'm not sure how to take it!

Just to set the record straight, I was not the one who found the transcripts at NYU and never claimed to be, but I remember who did on the Smile Shop, that's about all! All I ever did was what several others did at the time and tried to translate Oppenheim's notes and abbreviations into something that made sense to Smile, and I also had conversations with a few folks who were taking it to the next step in the process of actually locating the reels.

Whatever I wrote about contacting a collector is what I remember hearing at the time through the grapevine, which would suggest the tapes/films had been located.

[XY]

Oh, sorry for the unjustified roses. I think I'm getting senile. But I remember the guy's name: It's Dan!

[Cam Mott]

I'm the person who located the transcripts of all the "Inside Pop" film reels through the internet (God, I feel important now!).
And guitarfool2002 was great to take the time to look through them at New York University, find the Beach Boys notes + copy them.
But the reels were never discovered! Or am I missing something? I certainly hope so.

Interesting post, I'm not sure how to take it!

Just to set the record straight, I was not the one who found the transcripts at NYU and never claimed to be, but I remember who did on the Smile Shop, that's about all! All I ever did was what several others did at the time and tried to translate Oppenheim's notes and abbreviations into something that made sense to Smile, and I also had conversations with a few folks who were taking it to the next step in the process of actually locating the reels.

Whatever I wrote about contacting a collector is what I remember hearing at the time through the grapevine, which would suggest the tapes/films had been located.

It was Dan Lega who did the leg work in the Oppenheim archive. The last I heard was from the IP soundman who had asked a contact he still had and he was told that it was believed the materials had been discarded by CBS. Maybe a dumpster diver claimed them or maybe they are still just sitting in storage somewhere.

That was actually Michael Vosse posting on this board using the moniker "nemo". Did anybody save those posts?

[punkinhead]

i always forget I could prolly just type in Barnshine or False Barnyard on YouTube and i'll be able to hear what version/mix/take that's being discussed. 

[buddhahat]

I gotta admit, I have been into this SMiLE business for quite a while now, but I have no idea what "False Barnyard", "Barnshine", and "Air Dada" are. Or "All Day" for that matter. Could somebody explain or Possibly Make it so I finally knew what the merda these parts are supposed to be. I'm so confused on all this.

"All Day"(that title was announced by the engineer) is a bunch of very rough attempts at the "Love to Say Da Da" tune that never went past being backing track rehearsals(rehearsals that happened to be recorded). We're all happy when another fragment, another piece of the puzzle, another clue to the mystery, falls into the hands of collectors, but unless the compiler & engineer of Capitol's new collection find something significant, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel, clutching at straws, or whatever expression you choose. After listening to the various unofficial releases(and my homemade 2-CD collection of the best stuff) for years, I had pretty much given "Smile" listening(including Brian's 2004 version) a rest, when Al Jardine's announcement re-awakened my interest in "Smile". Remember:this was an attempt to record a (Likely) 38 to 40 minute pop music album for release on a 1960's vinyl record. The amount of music that exists, once existed, could possibly be located, or Brian Wilson intended to create, is not infinite.
                                    Let's hope that 6 months or so of "Smile" debate, discussion, analysis & speculation doesn't get us all burnt out by the time that Capitol's product arrives.

I remember reading that All Day was actually recorded after Love To Say Dada, which I always found surprising. So, is that not the case?

Also, wasn't All Day found on a Heroes reel and is therefore potentially related to Heroes?

That was actually Michael Vosse posting on this board using the moniker "nemo". Did anybody save those posts?

I remember reading those Vosse posts in a Smile shop archive. They were fascinating although I remember him being quite bemused that people were so obsessed with the music still.

Surely somebody saved that thread??!!

[bgas]

That was actually Michael Vosse posting on this board using the moniker "nemo". Did anybody save those posts?

Can't one of the mods simply go back and pull up the thread, or his posts, and repost them here?