New Beach Boys release will make you 'SMiLE'

[Andrew G. Doe]

I haven't read this entire thread, but has there been an actual official announcement about *any* kind of significant release or are we just going by Al Jardine's little tease? 

We're going by the fact that when contacted by the interviewer for further details, Capitol declined to supply them. Note, they didn't deny what Alan said. I'm guessing Alan jumped the gun on an official announcement. I'm also guessing there are a lot of unhappy folk at the Tower right now.

[The Shift]

They needn't be that unhappy. It ain't gonna cost them any sales.

What they might have to do though is tighten security as I'm sure a few folk will be curious about what outtakes etc they might be able to snaffle and put out on the black market!

[guitarfool2002]

That was a needed reality check - for now we're going mostly on Al Jardine's word in an interview, minus the official confirmation. Better than nothing, but still...

An interesting point to consider: Despite all of the speculation on where they may have been, where exactly ARE the Smile multi-track tapes in 2011? I didn't think Capitol owned any parts of the actual master tapes, but rather whatever mixes Brian or whoever gave to them to release. Even that infamous shot of the Beach Boys tape library showing Smile titles on the labels - those boxes of reels were not at Capitol when that photo was taken.

[PhilCohen]

That was a needed reality check - for now we're going mostly on Al Jardine's word in an interview, minus the official confirmation. Better than nothing, but still...

An interesting point to consider: Despite all of the speculation on where they may have been, where exactly ARE the Smile multi-track tapes in 2011? I didn't think Capitol owned any parts of the actual master tapes, but rather whatever mixes Brian or whoever gave to them to release. Even that infamous shot of the Beach Boys tape library showing Smile titles on the labels - those boxes of reels were not at Capitol when that photo was taken.

The recordings from "Pet Sounds" onwards are owned by Brother Records,and they are under a long-term license to Capitol. The settlement of a 1967 lawsuit(Brother vs.Capitol) gave Brother the ownership from "Pet Sounds" onwards.

[Andrew G. Doe]

That was a needed reality check - for now we're going mostly on Al Jardine's word in an interview, minus the official confirmation. Better than nothing, but still...

An interesting point to consider: Despite all of the speculation on where they may have been, where exactly ARE the Smile multi-track tapes in 2011? I didn't think Capitol owned any parts of the actual master tapes, but rather whatever mixes Brian or whoever gave to them to release. Even that infamous shot of the Beach Boys tape library showing Smile titles on the labels - those boxes of reels were not at Capitol when that photo was taken.

The recordings from "Pet Sounds" onwards are owned by Brother Records,and they are under a long-term license to Capitol. The settlement of a 1967 lawsuit(Brother vs.Capitol) gave Brother the ownership from "Pet Sounds" onwards.

The released masters, yes. The ownership of the unreleased material is slightly more complex, however Smile is pretty straightforward - Capitol bankrolled the sessions, they own the tapes.

[Fun Is In]

I wonder who will be writing the "liner notes" for whatever the release turns out to be?

[?]

That was a needed reality check - for now we're going mostly on Al Jardine's word in an interview, minus the official confirmation. Better than nothing, but still...

An interesting point to consider: Despite all of the speculation on where they may have been, where exactly ARE the Smile multi-track tapes in 2011? I didn't think Capitol owned any parts of the actual master tapes, but rather whatever mixes Brian or whoever gave to them to release. Even that infamous shot of the Beach Boys tape library showing Smile titles on the labels - those boxes of reels were not at Capitol when that photo was taken.

The recordings from "Pet Sounds" onwards are owned by Brother Records,and they are under a long-term license to Capitol. The settlement of a 1967 lawsuit(Brother vs.Capitol) gave Brother the ownership from "Pet Sounds" onwards.

The released masters, yes. The ownership of the unreleased material is slightly more complex, however Smile is pretty straightforward - Capitol bankrolled the sessions, they own the tapes.

How would that have affected their Reprise deal in the 70's?  They were supposed to supply Smile as part of that agreement, so how would that have been possible if Capitol still owned it?

[Andrew G. Doe]

That was a needed reality check - for now we're going mostly on Al Jardine's word in an interview, minus the official confirmation. Better than nothing, but still...

An interesting point to consider: Despite all of the speculation on where they may have been, where exactly ARE the Smile multi-track tapes in 2011? I didn't think Capitol owned any parts of the actual master tapes, but rather whatever mixes Brian or whoever gave to them to release. Even that infamous shot of the Beach Boys tape library showing Smile titles on the labels - those boxes of reels were not at Capitol when that photo was taken.

The recordings from "Pet Sounds" onwards are owned by Brother Records,and they are under a long-term license to Capitol. The settlement of a 1967 lawsuit(Brother vs.Capitol) gave Brother the ownership from "Pet Sounds" onwards.

The released masters, yes. The ownership of the unreleased material is slightly more complex, however Smile is pretty straightforward - Capitol bankrolled the sessions, they own the tapes.

How would that have affected their Reprise deal in the 70's?  They were supposed to supply Smile as part of that agreement, so how would that have been possible if Capitol still owned it?

Damn good point, and one I've obviously not considered.

[The Shift]

That was a needed reality check - for now we're going mostly on Al Jardine's word in an interview, minus the official confirmation. Better than nothing, but still...

An interesting point to consider: Despite all of the speculation on where they may have been, where exactly ARE the Smile multi-track tapes in 2011? I didn't think Capitol owned any parts of the actual master tapes, but rather whatever mixes Brian or whoever gave to them to release. Even that infamous shot of the Beach Boys tape library showing Smile titles on the labels - those boxes of reels were not at Capitol when that photo was taken.

The recordings from "Pet Sounds" onwards are owned by Brother Records,and they are under a long-term license to Capitol. The settlement of a 1967 lawsuit(Brother vs.Capitol) gave Brother the ownership from "Pet Sounds" onwards.

The released masters, yes. The ownership of the unreleased material is slightly more complex, however Smile is pretty straightforward - Capitol bankrolled the sessions, they own the tapes.

How would that have affected their Reprise deal in the 70's?  They were supposed to supply Smile as part of that agreement, so how would that have been possible if Capitol still owned it?

Damn good point, and one I've obviously not considered.

Esp as they worked on Surf's Up using 66/67 tapes, for the 71 release.  Interesting...

[Andrew G. Doe]

That was a needed reality check - for now we're going mostly on Al Jardine's word in an interview, minus the official confirmation. Better than nothing, but still...

An interesting point to consider: Despite all of the speculation on where they may have been, where exactly ARE the Smile multi-track tapes in 2011? I didn't think Capitol owned any parts of the actual master tapes, but rather whatever mixes Brian or whoever gave to them to release. Even that infamous shot of the Beach Boys tape library showing Smile titles on the labels - those boxes of reels were not at Capitol when that photo was taken.

The recordings from "Pet Sounds" onwards are owned by Brother Records,and they are under a long-term license to Capitol. The settlement of a 1967 lawsuit(Brother vs.Capitol) gave Brother the ownership from "Pet Sounds" onwards.

The released masters, yes. The ownership of the unreleased material is slightly more complex, however Smile is pretty straightforward - Capitol bankrolled the sessions, they own the tapes.

How would that have affected their Reprise deal in the 70's?  They were supposed to supply Smile as part of that agreement, so how would that have been possible if Capitol still owned it?

Damn good point, and one I've obviously not considered.

Esp as they worked on Surf's Up using 66/67 tapes, for the 71 release.  Interesting...

Drat, and double drat. Muttley !!!

[c-man]

That was a needed reality check - for now we're going mostly on Al Jardine's word in an interview, minus the official confirmation. Better than nothing, but still...

An interesting point to consider: Despite all of the speculation on where they may have been, where exactly ARE the Smile multi-track tapes in 2011? I didn't think Capitol owned any parts of the actual master tapes, but rather whatever mixes Brian or whoever gave to them to release. Even that infamous shot of the Beach Boys tape library showing Smile titles on the labels - those boxes of reels were not at Capitol when that photo was taken.

The recordings from "Pet Sounds" onwards are owned by Brother Records,and they are under a long-term license to Capitol. The settlement of a 1967 lawsuit(Brother vs.Capitol) gave Brother the ownership from "Pet Sounds" onwards.

The released masters, yes. The ownership of the unreleased material is slightly more complex, however Smile is pretty straightforward - Capitol bankrolled the sessions, they own the tapes.

How would that have affected their Reprise deal in the 70's?  They were supposed to supply Smile as part of that agreement, so how would that have been possible if Capitol still owned it?

Damn good point, and one I've obviously not considered.

Esp as they worked on Surf's Up using 66/67 tapes, for the 71 release.  Interesting...

Drat, and double drat. Muttley !!!

I'm sure it was pretty simple:  even though Capitol bankrolled the sessions for Pet Sounds, Good Vibrations, SMiLE, Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Friends, and 20/20, the rights to those all went to Brother once the Capitol contract was up, probably as part of the settlement of the 1967 lawsuit..  Hence Warners was able to re-release all the previously released stuff mentioned above, and hoped to release SMiLE, via their distribution deal with Brother.  However...whomever wrote that deal apparently forgot to include Break Away, and that's how Capitol was able to include it on Spirit Of America. 

[mistermono]

Someone posted this at the Steve Hoffman forum. It's new to me. Can anyone confirm?

Also, the raw footage for the Leonard Bernstein TV special was located several years ago. The film elements for all the footage shot for the Leonard Bernstein Special, ended up in a film library in (of all places) Germany, complete with directors logs. That was found about 5 years back, requests to copy: granted, and passed onto Capitol.

[Dunderhead]

Someone posted this at the Steve Hoffman forum. It's new to me. Can anyone confirm?

Also, the raw footage for the Leonard Bernstein TV special was located several years ago. The film elements for all the footage shot for the Leonard Bernstein Special, ended up in a film library in (of all places) Germany, complete with directors logs. That was found about 5 years back, requests to copy: granted, and passed onto Capitol.

whoa what??!!!
That's major news if it's true, is it confirmed at all?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Someone posted this at the Steve Hoffman forum. It's new to me. Can anyone confirm?

Also, the raw footage for the Leonard Bernstein TV special was located several years ago. The film elements for all the footage shot for the Leonard Bernstein Special, ended up in a film library in (of all places) Germany, complete with directors logs. That was found about 5 years back, requests to copy: granted, and passed onto Capitol.

Why copy for Capitol ?  Doesn't make sense - CBS, yes.  I'm getting a funny feeling this is a Chinese whispers version of the searching 'we' did a while back. Could be wrong, but it's odd that it's not surfaced until now. Is this a recent post on Hoffman ?

[mistermono]

Why copy for Capitol ?  Doesn't make sense - CBS, yes.  I'm getting a funny feeling this is a Chinese whispers version of the searching 'we' did a while back. Could be wrong, but it's odd that it's not surfaced until now. Is this a recent post on Hoffman ?

Posted last night. See post 613: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?p=6233926&highlight=germany#post6233926

As soon as I saw it I thought, "gotta post this over at Smiley Smile for the straight dope." 

[A Million Units In Jan!]

Why copy for Capitol ?  Doesn't make sense - CBS, yes.  I'm getting a funny feeling this is a Chinese whispers version of the searching 'we' did a while back. Could be wrong, but it's odd that it's not surfaced until now. Is this a recent post on Hoffman ?

Posted last night. See post 613: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?p=6233926&highlight=germany#post6233926

As soon as I saw it I thought, "gotta post this over at Smiley Smile for the straight dope." 

I just read it, and I'm thinking that it's just a mistake that the poster made. Over the years, there have been so many things we've heard and then forgotten it starts to all blend together in your head! I think that he's probably 'remembering' the directors notes that were found describing what was filmed.

[Dunderhead]

Why copy for Capitol ?  Doesn't make sense - CBS, yes.  I'm getting a funny feeling this is a Chinese whispers version of the searching 'we' did a while back. Could be wrong, but it's odd that it's not surfaced until now. Is this a recent post on Hoffman ?

Posted last night. See post 613: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?p=6233926&highlight=germany#post6233926

As soon as I saw it I thought, "gotta post this over at Smiley Smile for the straight dope." 

I just read it, and I'm thinking that it's just a mistake that the poster made. Over the years, there have been so many things we've heard and then forgotten it starts to all blend together in your head! I think that he's probably 'remembering' the directors notes that were found describing what was filmed.

This was my thought too, it just sounds way to good to be true. But we can still dream can't we?

[Andrew G. Doe]

I've weighed in with my considered opinion: let's see what ripples ensue.

[Cam Mott]

Why doesn't someone ask the poster for more detail or invite him over here?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Why doesn't someone ask the poster for more detail or invite him over here?

Phase Two.  

It is my earnest hope to be proven wrong in this instance... but something just feels wrong.

[?]

Why copy for Capitol ?  Doesn't make sense - CBS, yes.  I'm getting a funny feeling this is a Chinese whispers version of the searching 'we' did a while back. Could be wrong, but it's odd that it's not surfaced until now. Is this a recent post on Hoffman ?

Posted last night. See post 613: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?p=6233926&highlight=germany#post6233926

As soon as I saw it I thought, "gotta post this over at Smiley Smile for the straight dope." 

I just read it, and I'm thinking that it's just a mistake that the poster made. Over the years, there have been so many things we've heard and then forgotten it starts to all blend together in your head! I think that he's probably 'remembering' the directors notes that were found describing what was filmed.

I agree.  This has already pretty much been debunked over there, linking to a post made by Alan Boyd here in late 2006 stating that the footage had not been found.  I'd love to find out otherwise, but the available evidence says no.

[Cam Mott]

Why doesn't someone ask the poster for more detail or invite him over here?

Phase Two.  

It is my earnest hope to be proven wrong in this instance... but something just feels wrong.

I haven't been to the other board, I don't know the context or anything but you know....

[Ebb and Flow]

Wouldn't Boyd or any of the other Honored Guests have chimed in here with news of obtaining what is basically the Holy Grail of SMiLE/BB artifacts?

[Cam Mott]

You would think but there are two issues, the discovery and the delivery. It may be discovered but not delivered to Capitol.

It's pretty sketch but it don't hurt [or cost anything] to check it out.

[Chris Brown]

What a bombshell that would be, but I'm with Ebb and Flow here - if true, I can't imagine that such news wouldn't be conveyed by someone like Alan Boyd, or that we wouldn't hear a thing about it for several years after it actually occurred.