New Beach Boys release will make you 'SMiLE'

[rab2591]

highly unlikely, but is there any chance Brian's camp will put out a special edition BWPS (complete with vocals-only/instrumentals-only tracks) around the time SMiLE 2011 hits the shelves?

[The Shift]

I thought the Carl false Barnyard was on Secret Smile, although I may be wrong on that.

I think (going from memory, as always, and it'll probably be wrong as it usually is) that it first surfaced on Long Lost Surf Songs... was it Vol 3?
And I think it sat there unnoticed for a few years after that disc's release until some sharp-eared, handsome, hyper intelligent young man noticed it. Understandable - the audio's not to hot really.  Still would be useful now to identify the source of that boot material.
Unfortunately the disc is locked away in a temporary box room while the decorators have-at the living room.

[juggler]

So, we're almost a week into this story... And a Smile release from Capitol is major freakin' news....

So, how is it that it has not yet been noticed by the likes of Billboard and Rollingstone.com???

[rab2591]

Since nothing is official they have no reason to waste time reporting on it - I assume.

When they get more of a confirmation from Capital I think they'll start writing.

http://www.music-news.com/shownews.asp?H=Beach-Boys-Smile-to-be-released?&nItemID=39142

[Roger Ryan]

Since nothing is official they have no reason to waste time reporting on it - I assume.

When they get more of a confirmation from Capital I think they'll start writing.

http://www.music-news.com/shownews.asp?H=Beach-Boys-Smile-to-be-released?&nItemID=39142

...and I sure hope that the reporting is better than found at that link! Not only do they not attribute Al's quotes to him (treating his responses as just part of a news release), but referring to BWPS as from a couple of years ago along with implying that tracks like "Good Vibrations", "Heroes & Villains" and "Surf's Up" leaked out is ridiculous.

Also, the idea being presented that this is the real Beach Boys version coming out strongly suggests that it will be a finished album. Folks are only going to be disappointed. It would be better to present the upcoming release as the original sessions which Brian Wilson replicated in order to present a finished album. Awkward but truthful.

[rab2591]

Since nothing is official they have no reason to waste time reporting on it - I assume.

When they get more of a confirmation from Capital I think they'll start writing.

http://www.music-news.com/shownews.asp?H=Beach-Boys-Smile-to-be-released?&nItemID=39142

...and I sure hope that the reporting is better than found at that link! Not only do they not attribute Al's quotes to him (treating his responses as just part of a news release), but referring to BWPS as from a couple of years ago along with implying that tracks like "Good Vibrations", "Heroes & Villains" and "Surf's Up" leaked out is ridiculous.

Also, the idea being presented that this is the real Beach Boys version coming out strongly suggests that it will be a finished album. Folks are only going to be disappointed. It would be better to present the upcoming release as the original sessions which Brian Wilson replicated in order to present a finished album. Awkward but truthful.

It's a great example of why RollingStone and Billboard aren't reporting anything as of yet.

[Runaways]

they'll wait for an official release i'm sure

[bgas]

I thought the Carl false Barnyard was on Secret Smile, although I may be wrong on that.

I think (going from memory, as always, and it'll probably be wrong as it usually is) that it first surfaced on Long Lost Surf Songs... was it Vol 3?
And I think it sat there unnoticed for a few years after that disc's release until some sharp-eared, handsome, hyper intelligent young man noticed it. Understandable - the audio's not to hot really.  Still would be useful now to identify the source of that boot material.
Unfortunately the disc is locked away in a temporary box room while the decorators have-at the living room.

You mean, IF you had it, it would be locked in that room, right?

[A Million Units In Jan!]

I've heard the Carl live vocal rerecord of the "false Barnyard" tag, so it definitely exists.  As does the 3 minute Child.  The last was booted on Goodbye Surfing I believe (in poor quality), and I thought the Carl false Barnyard was on Secret Smile, although I may be wrong on that.

You are talking about 'Barnshine', aren't you? I always thought that was Mike singing the lyrics. Unless this is something else I'm forgetting about. Cripes, starting to talk again about all these snippets is confusing!

[A Million Units In Jan!]

Add to the wishlist the Jasper D. studio photos that never saw the release they were promised to buyers of the "portfolios". I'd *love* to see them as part of a Smile archive release.

For those listening: Please release the Jasper Smile photos.

Aren't the photos ruined? I thought that was part of the reason that 'BE' gave for not being able to get those out to people. Unless he was talking out of his ass and just decided to take the money and run, which is entirely possible.

[bgas]

Add to the wishlist the Jasper D. studio photos that never saw the release they were promised to buyers of the "portfolios". I'd *love* to see them as part of a Smile archive release.

For those listening: Please release the Jasper Smile photos.

Aren't the photos ruined? I thought that was part of the reason that 'BE' gave for not being able to get those out to people. Unless he was talking out of his ass and just decided to take the money and run, which is entirely possible.

I think you have to presume from the git-go, that anything BE says/has said( that's not info taken directly fom Capitol's archives) is a bald-faced lie.


As to the new Smile set; While not totally germane to the recordings, I'd like Capitol to include the original promo recording they did that says "We'll sell a million units in january".  Or is it that readily available somewhere? ( old-timers setting in, maybe)

[Les P]

highly unlikely, but is there any chance Brian's camp will put out a special edition BWPS (complete with vocals-only/instrumentals-only tracks) around the time SMiLE 2011 hits the shelves?

After BWPS was released, Melinda posted on the blueboard about her frustration with Nonesuch's promotional effort, and said that the Nonesuch contract was for (I think) 7 or 8 years (I'm pretty sure that's how she posted it, not knowing offhand the exact number of years...but I'm sure others here can correct me).  If that's correct, then it is conceivable BWPS would be available for release in 2011 on another label (Capitol, perhaps???)   

[Andrew G. Doe]

highly unlikely, but is there any chance Brian's camp will put out a special edition BWPS (complete with vocals-only/instrumentals-only tracks) around the time SMiLE 2011 hits the shelves?

After BWPS was released, Melinda posted on the blueboard about her frustration with Nonesuch's promotional effort, and said that the Nonesuch contract was for (I think) 7 or 8 years (I'm pretty sure that's how she posted it, not knowing offhand the exact number of years...but I'm sure others here can correct me).  If that's correct, then it is conceivable BWPS would be available for release in 2011 on another label (Capitol, perhaps???)  

Don't somehow see Capitol acquiring the rights to BWPS and then re-promote it this year. Suppress it, maybe.  

[rab2591]

Ok, so since I'm guessing that this will be a strictly 66/67 SMiLE compilation - how will they treat the song 'Surf's Up'? Without the finished coda? This is a part I'm a bit foggy on - Did Brian have the "A Childrens song...." lyrics conceived before or after he scrapped SMiLE? And if it was conceived before he scrapped it could they use the '71 version of 'Surf's Up' just to make the song more complete in the 2011 set?

[sparkydog1725]

indeed. I wonder how Mike will feel about giving his opinion knowing that many of the people reading his interview/statement will think he's full of merda.

I think it's important that the guys all promote this if they want it to sell. I think Mick Jagger's full-of-it, too, but he (& Keith) made himself pretty accessible for the Exile reissue (which was mainly packaged air IMHO) and probably really helped sell it.

[Shady]

Oh my god, what have I missed?

Is smile being released, can somebody fill me in

[exposedbrain]

I understand sensitivities and privacy and all of that, but things like the "Des Jones" reels of tape, and concealing the identity of the keeper of the Inside Pop film footage...

I missed this. Does someone claim to know who has the Inside Pop reels?

[Les P]

highly unlikely, but is there any chance Brian's camp will put out a special edition BWPS (complete with vocals-only/instrumentals-only tracks) around the time SMiLE 2011 hits the shelves?

After BWPS was released, Melinda posted on the blueboard about her frustration with Nonesuch's promotional effort, and said that the Nonesuch contract was for (I think) 7 or 8 years (I'm pretty sure that's how she posted it, not knowing offhand the exact number of years...but I'm sure others here can correct me).  If that's correct, then it is conceivable BWPS would be available for release in 2011 on another label (Capitol, perhaps???)  

Don't somehow see Capitol acquiring the rights to BWPS and then re-promote it this year. Suppress it, maybe.  

True!  But it did occur to me that maybe the BW camp would drive the bargain: OK, we'll approve a Smile package but only if BWPS is included (they did somehow get BW's version of "California Feeling" on "Beach Boys Classics").  I know, highly unlikely!

[pixletwin]

highly unlikely, but is there any chance Brian's camp will put out a special edition BWPS (complete with vocals-only/instrumentals-only tracks) around the time SMiLE 2011 hits the shelves?

After BWPS was released, Melinda posted on the blueboard about her frustration with Nonesuch's promotional effort, and said that the Nonesuch contract was for (I think) 7 or 8 years (I'm pretty sure that's how she posted it, not knowing offhand the exact number of years...but I'm sure others here can correct me).  If that's correct, then it is conceivable BWPS would be available for release in 2011 on another label (Capitol, perhaps???)  

Don't somehow see Capitol acquiring the rights to BWPS and then re-promote it this year. Suppress it, maybe.  

True!  But it did occur to me that maybe the BW camp would drive the bargain: OK, we'll approve a Smile package but only if BWPS is included (they did somehow get BW's version of "California Feeling" on "Beach Boys Classics").  I know, highly unlikely!

That version of California is not THE version of California Feeling that everyone wants to hear that Brian recorded.

[Shady]

Just read an Article.

Hop this happens, wow 

[Les P]

highly unlikely, but is there any chance Brian's camp will put out a special edition BWPS (complete with vocals-only/instrumentals-only tracks) around the time SMiLE 2011 hits the shelves?

After BWPS was released, Melinda posted on the blueboard about her frustration with Nonesuch's promotional effort, and said that the Nonesuch contract was for (I think) 7 or 8 years (I'm pretty sure that's how she posted it, not knowing offhand the exact number of years...but I'm sure others here can correct me).  If that's correct, then it is conceivable BWPS would be available for release in 2011 on another label (Capitol, perhaps???)  

Don't somehow see Capitol acquiring the rights to BWPS and then re-promote it this year. Suppress it, maybe.  

True!  But it did occur to me that maybe the BW camp would drive the bargain: OK, we'll approve a Smile package but only if BWPS is included (they did somehow get BW's version of "California Feeling" on "Beach Boys Classics").  I know, highly unlikely!

That version of California is not THE version of California Feeling that everyone wants to hear that Brian recorded.

I know, but my point was that they got BRI to OK a then-recent Brian Wilson solo recording on a Beach Boys release (when there was already a BB version of the same song in the archives, as well as a vintage 1974 Brian demo).

[PhilCohen]

By the way, it occured to me that there is another reason why Capitol wouldn't want the compiler or engineer of the "Smile" compilation interviewed so early, or want the tracklisting revealed: If there is nothing in the new compilation that fans(or bootleggers) don't already have, then bootleggers(whether actual silver disc manufacturers or merely download websites) would be able to create the same collection, before Capitol could get their version to stores & online dealers.
                                   Remember: years ago Mike Love explained the absence of an official "Smile" CD, by saying "You've got it all already."

[Jim V.]

I gotta admit, I have been into this SMiLE business for quite a while now, but I have no idea what "False Barnyard", "Barnshine", and "Air Dada" are. Or "All Day" for that matter. Could somebody explain or Possibly Make it so I finally knew what the sh*t these parts are supposed to be. I'm so confused on all this.

In other news, while at first I hoped they would somehow be able to present SMiLE in some kind of "finished" way, I realized that probably isn't going to happen. So I figured they should treat it like Dylan's The Basement Tapes and maybe do an album called The SMiLE Sessions which should count as an album in The Beach Boys canon, featuring the best possible versions of every single song, with Brian's approval of course. So if Brian feels the Smiley Smile version is the essential take of "H&V" for SMiLE then so be it. Same with the '71 "Surf's Up", and so on.  Then in a separate "deluxe" treatment give us all other valuable outtakes and alternates.

I guess what I mean is I just want this to be a concise collection for the public to get the essence of SMiLE, but also a larger collection for us Smiley Smiler's to feast upon. I know I already wrote something like this, but yeah.

[willy]

Oh who knows. Let's wait and see.

[Dunderhead]

If they have some really great material waiting to be heard, if they had recovered the inside pop tapes, lost acetates, or missing tapes I'm sure anything worthwhile on them would appear on this compilation. Even if it's not a sessions collection it would seem odd if any of this lost material was recovered it wouldn't be released on a special SMiLE themed 50th anniversary release. There doesn't seem to be any better time to release that stuff so if it exists I don't think it would be held back. Either way I think this release will confirm the status of all the rumored material once and for all.