New Beach Boys release will make you 'SMiLE'

[XY]

There must be the one or other unbooted gem in the vaults. Surprising really that nothing from the session with Paul McCartney turned up yet. At least a bit of studio chatter. Or was nothing recorded?
Or the 1967 remake of "False Barnyard", when Carl sang live with the Wrecking Crew. All that is available is the talking between takes.
And perhaps there was more work done after the SMiLE sessions than it's believed. After all, a SMiLE song or segment found it's way on every BB record 'til the announcement of a release in 1972. That was the real end. And didn't Bruce work on "Do You Like Worms?" in the late 70's?

[armona]

Already being discussed in another thread:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,9845.0.html

[Mikie]

Thanks Chris Moise, Million Units, Jasper, Cam(us)and others for the responses.

If this new SMiLE comp is anything close to the sound quality of the SOT 16-17 set, it'll be very nice. Always thought when they came out that the Japanese T2580 disc and the Vigotone and Purple Chick issues set the bar towards an eventual legit SMiLE release. 

[Roger Ryan]

This may have been covered somewhere else already, but what do we know that exists that has NOT been included on bootlegs since 1978? A three minute version of "Child Is Father To The Man"? Or the same with vocals?

To answer your question directly, a finished 3-minute edited backing track for "The Child Is Father Of The Man" was found in the vault and was considered for release on the ENDLESS HARMONY soundtrack as well as HAWTHORNE, CA. Obviously, it didn't make the cut. Close to a decade ago, I asked Mr. Boyd if there were any vocals and he replied "no", that it was just the backing track; it featured sections that had been booted but edited (by Brian in '66/'67) in a specific order. He didn't want to reveal the segments or the order it was edited in since that would "spoil the fun" if the track saw an eventual release. I asked if the available chorus vocals could be synched up to the backing track and he replied it was possible, but wouldn't consider it a likely option since he felt an archival release should be presented as such without attempts made to create things not found on the original tapes.

We know some folks on this board have heard the backing track (I haven't), but my understanding is that, apart from the chorus, no additional vocals were ever found (which makes sense given that Parks needed to write new verse lyrics for the song in '03).

[Mahalo]

Is this the version that is on Secret Smile? I would kind of like the BV's added on just becaus of how super awesome they are. Maybe if there was an "alternate versions" CD that was included, they could synch them up.

[Roger Ryan]

Is this the version that is on Secret Smile? I would kind of like the BV's added on just becaus of how super awesome they are. Maybe if there was an "alternate versions" CD that was included, they could synch them up.

I wouldn't know, but it wouldn't surprise me that the track finally leaked out. Something to keep in mind for those who have heard all the boots: chances are that we will be getting less in an official release, not more. For me, context is everything and that's what I'm looking forward to.

[Mahalo]

I agree...If it is like the Pet Sounds box set I will be super happy...lots more stuff on the bootleg circuit, but the set is pristine. I'm still drooling over it. Hell I took it out again last night just to look through the books because I am that excited for this SMiLE! whatever we are getting.

I am really looking forward to the quality of the music...what is often out there isn't that swell compared to the real deal. As Jasper said earlier, there may be something or another that has gone under the radar...I will keep an open mind.

What's the odds it is all 66/67? Could there be some stuff that was worked on until 72, or the Bruce tinkered Worms? Alternate versions CD, puhleeaase!!!

[Andrew G. Doe]

This may have been covered somewhere else already, but what do we know that exists that has NOT been included on bootlegs since 1978? A three minute version of "Child Is Father To The Man"? Or the same with vocals?

To answer your question directly, a finished 3-minute edited backing track for "The Child Is Father Of The Man" was found in the vault and was considered for release on the ENDLESS HARMONY soundtrack as well as HAWTHORNE, CA. Obviously, it didn't make the cut. Close to a decade ago, I asked Mr. Boyd if there were any vocals and he replied "no", that it was just the backing track; it featured sections that had been booted but edited (by Brian in '66/'67) in a specific order. He didn't want to reveal the segments or the order it was edited in since that would "spoil the fun" if the track saw an eventual release. I asked if the available chorus vocals could be synched up to the backing track and he replied it was possible, but wouldn't consider it a likely option since he felt an archival release should be presented as such without attempts made to create things not found on the original tapes.

We know some folks on this board have heard the backing track (I haven't), but my understanding is that, apart from the chorus, no additional vocals were ever found (which makes sense given that Parks needed to write new verse lyrics for the song in '03).

Brian's edit and mono mix of this track is dated 11/66, and IMHO, it stands alone, sans vocals, as a primo example of Brian's creativity during this period. Synching vocals would achieve nothing other than to prove it can be done.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I agree...If it is like the Pet Sounds box set I will be super happy...lots more stuff on the bootleg circuit, but the set is pristine. I'm still drooling over it. Hell I took it out again last night just to look through the books because I am that excited for this SMiLE! whatever we are getting.

I am really looking forward to the quality of the music...what is often out there isn't that swell compared to the real deal. As Jasper said earlier, there may be something or another that has gone under the radar...I will keep an open mind.

What's the odds it is all 66/67? Could there be some stuff that was worked on until 72, or the Bruce tinkered Worms? Alternate versions CD, puhleeaase!!!

My understanding is that Carl & Steve Desper took the tapes out of the vault in 1972, listened to them, shook their heads, made safeties and put them back in the boxes. No additional recording was done. Some additional work was done on "Been Way Too Long"  in 1980 (2/11 at Rumbo).

[Mikie]

Thanks, Roger!

[Jim V.]

I agree...If it is like the Pet Sounds box set I will be super happy...lots more stuff on the bootleg circuit, but the set is pristine. I'm still drooling over it. Hell I took it out again last night just to look through the books because I am that excited for this SMiLE! whatever we are getting.

I am really looking forward to the quality of the music...what is often out there isn't that swell compared to the real deal. As Jasper said earlier, there may be something or another that has gone under the radar...I will keep an open mind.

What's the odds it is all 66/67? Could there be some stuff that was worked on until 72, or the Bruce tinkered Worms? Alternate versions CD, puhleeaase!!!

My understanding is that Carl & Steve Desper took the tapes out of the vault in 1972, listened to them, shook their heads, made safeties and put them back in the boxes. No additional recording was done. Some additional work was done on "Been Way Too Long"  in 1980 (2/11 at Rumbo).

I gotta ask, why does "When Girls Get Together" get pulled out of the vault and released, but "Do You Like Worms" and "Can't Wait Too Long" get taken out, but then stay unreleased? Why Brian against both? Or did they just realize releasing songs like those would make tracks like "Sumahuma" and "Some Of Your Love" seem even more embarassing?

[hypehat]

The simple answer is that The Beach Boys are criminally insane.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I agree...If it is like the Pet Sounds box set I will be super happy...lots more stuff on the bootleg circuit, but the set is pristine. I'm still drooling over it. Hell I took it out again last night just to look through the books because I am that excited for this SMiLE! whatever we are getting.

I am really looking forward to the quality of the music...what is often out there isn't that swell compared to the real deal. As Jasper said earlier, there may be something or another that has gone under the radar...I will keep an open mind.

What's the odds it is all 66/67? Could there be some stuff that was worked on until 72, or the Bruce tinkered Worms? Alternate versions CD, puhleeaase!!!

My understanding is that Carl & Steve Desper took the tapes out of the vault in 1972, listened to them, shook their heads, made safeties and put them back in the boxes. No additional recording was done. Some additional work was done on "Been Way Too Long"  in 1980 (2/11 at Rumbo).

I gotta ask, why does "When Girls Get Together" get pulled out of the vault and released, but "Do You Like Worms" and "Can't Wait Too Long" get taken out, but then stay unreleased? Why Brian against both? Or did they just realize releasing songs like those would make tracks like "Sumahuma" and "Some Of Your Love" seem even more embarassing?

I think they needed a BW vocal, even as a duet.

[Mike's Beard]

I wouldn't mind seeing a bonus DVD within the package containing both archive and contemporary interviews with all the players in the Smile saga, esp Van Dyke Parks.

[Rocker]

Although I don't think it'll happen, I'd like to see a bonus disc with liveversions of Smile-songs the BBs did record over the years (unreleased ones of course)

[rab2591]

Although I don't think it'll happen, I'd like to see a bonus disc with liveversions of Smile-songs the BBs did record over the years (unreleased ones of course)

No, but like with the Good Vibrations Boxset I'm sure that they'll add plenty of goodies like this on a bonus disc.

[lance]

I wish I could be so sure.

[A Million Units In Jan!]

Wasn't there something years ago about some unheard of vocals showing up on some song due to 'tape bleed' from somebody's headphones? I believe it was CIFOTM. Brian erased the vocals for whatever reason, but you could still faintly hear them on a backing track? I know I read that somewhere, maybe on old SMiLE board....

[Andrew G. Doe]

Wasn't there something years ago about some unheard of vocals showing up on some song due to 'tape bleed' from somebody's headphones? I believe it was CIFOTM. Brian erased the vocals for whatever reason, but you could still faintly hear them on a backing track? I know I read that somewhere, maybe on old SMiLE board....

That was something Darian heard while researching BWPS. Not sure it was vocals, though, but my memory is hazy on that point.

[rab2591]

Wasn't there something years ago about some unheard of vocals showing up on some song due to 'tape bleed' from somebody's headphones? I believe it was CIFOTM. Brian erased the vocals for whatever reason, but you could still faintly hear them on a backing track? I know I read that somewhere, maybe on old SMiLE board....

That was something Darian heard while researching BWPS. Not sure it was vocals, though, but my memory is hazy on that point.

I remember it being a clarinet reciting the same melody as the lead vocals that Darian heard - I think. I'm also hazy on this....

[armona]

Probably heard it from this article:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct04/articles/smile.htm

As well as assembling existing material in a coherent order, Darian and Brian did their best to use all the available sources from the period. A poor-quality 1966 tape of Brian playing an early version of 'Heroes And Villains' supplied lyrics for two numbers, 'I'm In Great Shape' and 'Barnyard'. And while listening to the multitracks for the song 'Child Is Father Of The Man', Darian soloed a chorus lead vocal by Brian's late brother Carl and made discoveries which were later incorporated into the finished arrangements. Mark Linett explains: "When he's not singing, you can hear faint background vocal parts that no longer exist on the multitrack. They must have been in his headphones, and were picked up by the vocal mic. It could be that Brian decided he didn't need them, or that he was going to re-record them, but never did. You hear this sort of stuff throughout the tapes."

I'd sure like to know which CIFOTM session these multitracks were from.

[rab2591]

Jeesh, wonder why I thought it was a clarinet.

Virtually repeating what you quoted, but this is from an earcandy article by eric white:

"In conversation with him after the show, Sahanaja explained to me how he examined Carl Wilson's vocal on a multi-track of 'Child is Father of the Man' culled from the archives. He further isolated the headphone bleed from this track and was able to discern unheard backing tracks and vocal parts!"

http://www.earcandymag.com/smileliveRFH2-21-04.htm

[hypehat]

I heard a story about a clarinet, too - maybe that's for Look?

[rab2591]

I heard a story about a clarinet, too - maybe that's for Look?

Thanks! I just checked Priore's book and Darian was referring to 'Look!' when talking about the clarinet bleed.

It's great to know we are able to hear vocals for CITFOTM...even faintly....perhaps this will be a bonus track on SMiLE 2011???

[armona]

I certainly hope so. If Darian was listening to multitracks, the sound quality may be a quantum leap up from what is "out there" now for that song depending on which session tape he was listening to. There's excellent quality stuff that exists from the early sessions, but the stuff that has leaked out for the "final" version is all of relatively poor quality.