New Beach Boys release will make you 'SMiLE'

[buddhahat]

That was actually Michael Vosse posting on this board using the moniker "nemo". Did anybody save those posts?

Can't one of the mods simply go back and pull up the thread, or his posts, and repost them here?

When I checked them out they were archived from The Smile Shop, which this obviously used to be. There was quite a bit that was accessible including the Vosse Fusion article, but I don't think it's up anymore. I'm sure somebody here has probably saved that stuff. I'd sure like to read through the Vosse/Nemo posts if anybody cares to re - up them? Thanks in advcance!

[guitarfool2002]

That was a neat time for the Smile Shop, I remember working on an album project the week Vosse was posting and I couldn't wait to log in and read what was going on. Than, literally, some kind of chaos erupted and I think it was over.


I'll say this as a direct plea, on this board right now to clear it up - I think the Oppenheim film information was sorted out and forwarded to Alan Boyd or someone working with him at that time who could have the ability to acquire the film or copies of that film. He or an associate of his can answer the question yes or no of whether or not they contacted the collector who may or may not have had the collection of Inside Pop film. That would ultimately answer the question of whether the film exists, which I'll say again and which it seems has been backed up, that something does exist.

[buddhahat]

Would be lovely to see the smile footage in question.

Like most here, I'm not holding out too much hope for anything 'new' from this potential Smile release. I suspect it will be most likely less than we already have on all the separate boots.

Didn't aeszsche, who began working with Alan Boyd, confirm that there were no extra Smile outtakes in the vaults beyond some sort of free jazz noodling from one of the sessions, and this was only 6 months or so ago? Has Aeszsche (sorry can never spell that correctly) posted here in a while? That in itself might be quite telling.

[guitarfool2002]

there were no extra Smile outtakes in the vaults beyond some sort of free jazz noodling from one of the sessions, and this was only 6 months or so ago?

This interesting piece of vault info was reported in early 2005:

The 8 track tape with with the "I'm In Great Shape" track actually has about 20 takes on it - all playing the same thing - "fluttertone" and all, some with celeste, some with piano, some with a piano with the strings taped. I think three takes were leadered, and one (with taped strings) has a bass overdub. The tape is labeled simply "Brian and Van Dyke" with a little notation on the back saying "I'm In Great Shape." Couldn't say for sure whether that's a vintage notation or not.


This means there are extra Smile outtakes we haven't heard.

[A Million Units In Jan!]

I remember reading that All Day was actually recorded after Love To Say Dada, which I always found surprising. So, is that not the case?

No, 'All Day' was an early, early version done by Brian on piano in Jan or Feb. 

[smile-holland]

That was actually Michael Vosse posting on this board using the moniker "nemo". Did anybody save those posts?

Can't one of the mods simply go back and pull up the thread, or his posts, and repost them here?

couldn't find that specific topic, but searching on "Oppenheim" one gets some interesting results:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,1206.0.html
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2833.0.html
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,134.0.html
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,1831.25.html
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2618.msg49804.html#msg49804
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,724.msg20600.html#msg20600

[Chris Moise]

Didn't aeszsche, who began working with Alan Boyd, confirm that there were no extra Smile outtakes in the vaults beyond some sort of free jazz noodling from one of the sessions, and this was only 6 months or so ago? Has Aeszsche (sorry can never spell that correctly) posted here in a while? That in itself might be quite telling.

IIRC Alan Boyd mentioned finding the tracking session for the 1/67 DW "I Don't Know" session.

[Matt Bielewicz]

I only log into this board occasionally these days... and look what I missed since I was last here at the end of January! Bloomin' Typical...

Having also frequented various BB Internet boards over the last 16 years - including the original Cabinessence board, the Green Board, the blue 'American Band' board, and the various overlapping versions of the Smile Shop - I am amazed at this news, and also quite heartened to see some of the old names back. Mr Roger Ryan, Mr Cameron Mott, I think we first discussed SMiLE bootlegs in 1995 on Cabinessence. A pleasure to see you back, good sirs! Although in truth, perhaps you never went away, and it was I that disappeared... although not without writing the odd few interesting things on the way. I have honestly never had so much fun posting on an Internet discussion board as I did when I got home from Brian's '04 SMiLE premiere, and tried to make sense of what I'd just heard and seen on-line with everyone asking questions. And the same sense of fun pervaded everything I wrote subsequently...

I really hope Johns Hunt and Lane know about this, and that it makes them happy.

Whatever we eventually get from Capitol, and whenever we get it, it cannot fail to be interesting. If they merely release the old 88 mixes and edits in decent quality because that's all that can now be found, I will buy it. If there's more - and who really knows whether there will be? - I will buy that too. I don't think anyone who has been interested in this music for so long can really lose with this release. The esteemed Mr Doe is undoubtedly right that there will be disappointments along the way, and there will almost certainly be a vocal group of The Disappointed around here. But I will not be one of them...

...I will be at the door of a large record shop waiting for them to open up when the day comes, ready to buy - well, whatever it turns out to be - and with however much money is needed to buy it burning a hole in my hot, clenched fist. What other music can you say that about?

Wow; we live in interesting times. Again!

MattB

[A Million Units In Jan!]

That was actually Michael Vosse posting on this board using the moniker "nemo". Did anybody save those posts?

Can't one of the mods simply go back and pull up the thread, or his posts, and repost them here?

couldn't find that specific topic, but searching on "Oppenheim" one gets some interesting results:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,1206.0.html
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2833.0.html
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,134.0.html
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,1831.25.html
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2618.msg49804.html#msg49804
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,724.msg20600.html#msg20600

I looked at those links, and there are so many snippets and sections and re-records, etc. that I've forgotten about, or forgotten what they're called-Good Lord my head hurts.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I really hope Johns Hunt and Lane know about this, and that it makes them happy.

The 2 Jo(h)ns 2 know, and they are content.

[buddhahat]

there were no extra Smile outtakes in the vaults beyond some sort of free jazz noodling from one of the sessions, and this was only 6 months or so ago?

This interesting piece of vault info was reported in early 2005:

The 8 track tape with with the "I'm In Great Shape" track actually has about 20 takes on it - all playing the same thing - "fluttertone" and all, some with celeste, some with piano, some with a piano with the strings taped. I think three takes were leadered, and one (with taped strings) has a bass overdub. The tape is labeled simply "Brian and Van Dyke" with a little notation on the back saying "I'm In Great Shape." Couldn't say for sure whether that's a vintage notation or not.


This means there are extra Smile outtakes we haven't heard.

Thanks - I didn't know this. As I understand it, only 3 or 4 of these takes have been booted?

I remember reading that All Day was actually recorded after Love To Say Dada, which I always found surprising. So, is that not the case?

No, 'All Day' was an early, early version done by Brian on piano in Jan or Feb.  

and thanks for this info! Never made sense to me that All Day would be a later take when it was obviously less polished. Does have a groovy vibe to it with the bird whistles and all. My kids love this one shouting "Bird!" every time the whistles go.

[buddhahat]

I only log into this board occasionally these days... and look what I missed since I was last here at the end of January! Bloomin' Typical...

Having also frequented various BB Internet boards over the last 16 years - including the original Cabinessence board, the Green Board, the blue 'American Band' board, and the various overlapping versions of the Smile Shop - I am amazed at this news, and also quite heartened to see some of the old names back. Mr Roger Ryan, Mr Cameron Mott, I think we first discussed SMiLE bootlegs in 1995 on Cabinessence. A pleasure to see you back, good sirs! Although in truth, perhaps you never went away, and it was I that disappeared... although not without writing the odd few interesting things on the way. I have honestly never had so much fun posting on an Internet discussion board as I did when I got home from Brian's '04 SMiLE premiere, and tried to make sense of what I'd just heard and seen on-line with everyone asking questions. And the same sense of fun pervaded everything I wrote subsequently...

I really hope Johns Hunt and Lane know about this, and that it makes them happy.

Whatever we eventually get from Capitol, and whenever we get it, it cannot fail to be interesting. If they merely release the old 88 mixes and edits in decent quality because that's all that can now be found, I will buy it. If there's more - and who really knows whether there will be? - I will buy that too. I don't think anyone who has been interested in this music for so long can really lose with this release. The esteemed Mr Doe is undoubtedly right that there will be disappointments along the way, and there will almost certainly be a vocal group of The Disappointed around here. But I will not be one of them...

...I will be at the door of a large record shop waiting for them to open up when the day comes, ready to buy - well, whatever it turns out to be - and with however much money is needed to buy it burning a hole in my hot, clenched fist. What other music can you say that about?

Wow; we live in interesting times. Again!

MattB

Great post!

[Matt Bielewicz]

Mr Doe wrote:

>The 2 Jo(h)ns do know, and are content.

Thanks Andrew, good to know! And *I* dug the recent River Song reference, though I'll draw the line at calling anyone 'sweetie'... [EDIT: oh, sorry, that was Wee Helper making with the River Song references, not you. D'oh!]

Some people have expressed surprise that there are still unbooted SMiLE sessions. I don't think that has been seriously in doubt for years. The question is whether those sessions are available to Messrs Boyd and Linett so that they could potentially now be released officially, or whether they're *only* still in the hands of the shadowy 'collectors'!

Off the top of my head, I seem to remember Mark Linett saying, way, way back in the 90s on one of these boards (or I *think* it was - but it's a sure sign that you know far too much about a subject when you've forgotten more about it than you can still remember...!) that the mix of Vega-Tables on the 93 GV box set just came from tapes representing just *one* day's work on the song. I always took that to mean that there were tapes of other days' work on the song that weren't used to produce that mix, and that Mark had heard those but decided not to use them to produce the box set mix.

Although, of course, Mark never ACTUALLY said that, so I'm guilty of extrapolating information when it may not be correct to do so. And everyone interested in SMiLE has done that at one time or another, right?

There are loads of other things that we know must be out there, though. Bicycle Rider has already alluded to the actual takes of the remade False Barnyard. Years ago, I heard a tape (a cassette, not a reel) with just the between-takes chatter of that session (the takes themselves had been edited out), and as BR says, the full sessions must be 'out there'. The full 20-odd recorded take history of IIGS has also been mentioned on this thread, but as far as I know, that isn't circulating. (Not that I'd know if it was, before you ask - I've *never* been in any kind of 'inner circle' of traders, and, to be honest, preferred to stay that way, and clear of all the crazy politics! Just a man reading and writing stuff occasionally).

So the stuff is out there... but whether it will be released in the near future is as moot as ever, I would have thought...!

MattB

[juggler]

Matt,
I remember well your detailed posts about the Smile debut in Feb 2004.  That was an exciting time on the old Smile Shop board.  Here in California, it was mid-afternoon as reports trickled in from the first concert...  Holidays with lyrics!  Look with lyrics!  Unbelievable stuff... Everyone reading the board was blown away.  No one had really known what to expect.  In the days leading up to the first concert, there had been rumors that the music would be in movements, but no one around here knew exactly which songs had made the cut, let alone specific details about lyrics and playing order.

If Capitol's Smile 2011 really happens, I imagine things will be a bit different.  This time, things will likely unfold gradually, like they did with other major archival releases like the Good Vibrations 30 years box and the Pet Sounds Sessions.  First, there will be rumors about the overall nature of the package.  At some point, Capitol will have to issue a press release that gives some idea of what to expect.  A track listing will surface.  Copies will probably leak out to insiders or members of the media.  And then advance reviews will start appearing.   It'll still be a lot of fun, and I'm looking forward to it, but nothing will likely top the time everything came down to a single day in 2004. 

[Mikie]

Well...........I hope the new Smile release includes the early version of Vegetables with Van Dyke's lyrics "Tripped on a cornucopia, stripped the stalk green, and I hope ya like me most of all my favorite vegetable".

And what would a Smile Sessions set be without "George Fell Into His French Horn"? Or maybe "Brian talks about Smog"? Or........................OK, maybe not.

[Shady]

I'm by normal standards educated on smile, know the very basics, but you guys are just incredible, this is a brilliant thread.

If this release happens I just hope it's a massive box set with everything on it.

I wonder how they are going to do it, should be very interesting.

[guitarfool2002]

I only log into this board occasionally these days... and look what I missed since I was last here at the end of January! Bloomin' Typical...

I have honestly never had so much fun posting on an Internet discussion board as I did when I got home from Brian's '04 SMiLE premiere, and tried to make sense of what I'd just heard and seen on-line with everyone asking questions. And the same sense of fun pervaded everything I wrote subsequently...

Matt B., I just wanted to chime in and say that night was about as close as a group of people could ever expect to be around a shared experience via a message board. I'll never forget waiting to read the next post, and my mind being blown as your reports started coming in. I just wanted to thank you for your reporting that night, I think I put everything else aside for a few hours and joined in the fun, it was the next best thing to being there, and of course when I finally heard the tapes of that night the tears rolled down.

Cheers!

[guitarfool2002]

...the actual takes of the remade False Barnyard. Years ago, I heard a tape (a cassette, not a reel) with just the between-takes chatter of that session (the takes themselves had been edited out), and as BR says, the full sessions must be 'out there'. The full 20-odd recorded take history of IIGS has also been mentioned on this thread, but as far as I know, that isn't circulating. (Not that I'd know if it was, before you ask - I've *never* been in any kind of 'inner circle' of traders, and, to be honest, preferred to stay that way, and clear of all the crazy politics! Just a man reading and writing stuff occasionally).

I heard that "False Barnyard" material as well, and always wondered if the actual takes were eventually wiped or taped over but someone ran a journal reel, and that reel preserved the chatter between takes. Why else would it be edited that way?

[Dunderhead]

BWPS is what turned me into a hardcore BB fan. I remember knowing nothing about SMiLE, I think I picked up the record on buzz alone and it was the most bizarre music I had ever heard. I remember listening to that cd every time I drove anywhere for about a year. But once I read the liner notes to that I've been hooked. I think we tend to forget how great BWPS was, it seems less significant in the years since as I learn more about the original project, but looking back on it, it was a really great release.

I kind of envy you old-timers, building up anticipation over decades.

[Matt Bielewicz]

Fishmonk wrote:

>I kind of envy you old-timers, building up anticipation over decades.

Hey, I always feel like a newcomer here. I mean, I only got interested in Brian and the Beach Boys as a result of the Don Was 'I Just Wasn't Made For These Times' documentary. Before that, I knew ZIP about SMiLE.

And then I check the calendar, and I realise that film was nearly FIFTEEN YEARS ago. How'd that happen? 

But I expect everyone feels that way. Even some of the guys here who could have heard the original 'we're sure to sell a million units...' message when it was fresh and new!

I still think Brian's SMiLE, live AND recorded, was amazing. I could not be-LIEVE some of the people around and about who moaned about pianos and digital recording destroying the music. The original 66-67 music is amazing. The 2004 recordings and arrangements are, in my opinion, amazing too (because IT'S THE SAME MUSIC, lovingly arranged and recreated by the original artists and a group of people who worked VERY hard to make it as close as humanly possible to the original, 37 years on). So why not embrace both? You'll have a much nicer time...!

Enough of that, though, as that argument has been done to death...!

Mr GF2002 (is it Craig, I forget...?) and juggler, thanks for your words about the posting on February 20th, 2004. It was a blast, but only because the people here were such fun to discuss the concert with! Regarding the False Barnyard re-record session... didn't Bicycle Rider say upthread that he HAD heard (but did not possess) the COMPLETE session, as opposed to just the between-takes chat that we have heard at some point on our long journeys through this music?

MattB

[Andrew G. Doe]

Fishmonk wrote:
But I expect everyone feels that way. Even some of the guys here who could have heard the original 'we're sure to sell a million units...' message when it was fresh and new!

We have some former Capitol salesmen registered here ?  I never knew... 

Sorry Matt, me displaying the effects of insufficient tea first thing: said 'advert' was actually a track on an in-house Capitol album priming the company's salesmen on the upcoming January 1967 releases - not a radio ad as was originally thought.

[bgas]

We have some former Capitol salesmen registered here ?  I never knew... 

Sorry Matt, me displaying the effects of insufficient tea first thing: said 'advert' was actually a track on an in-house Capitol album priming the company's salesmen on the upcoming January 1967 releases - not a radio ad as was originally thought.

With the one known existing copy residing in a UK collector's house...

[Matt Bielewicz]

Thanks Andrew. I did know about it being an internal sales promo at one point, but like I said above, you know you've known a lot about a subject when you've forgotten more than you still know - if that sentence can *possibly* make any sense! Wasn't that why you did your web site - to keep all of this stuff in a location whence it was harder to be forgotten than unreliable organic grey matter?

Anyway, what I should have said was... there do seem to be people on here who would have been old enough to hear that announcement — if, of course, they'd been in the right place at the right time (ie. on Capitol's sales team).

Although, as far as I know, the famous (and, of course, absolutely NON-imaginary) Dick Reising has never actually signed up here...

I should have had MY tea before attempting such conjectural subjunctive intentionals (memorably summarised by my grammar tutor as 'woulda coulda shouldas'), too.

Anyway, back to the usual programme of SMiLE guesswork and misinformed speculation. What IS this CD or set - IF it eventually exists - going to have on it?

MattB

[Andrew G. Doe]

Although, as far as I know, the famous (and, of course, absolutely NON-imaginary) Dick Reising has never actually signed up here...
MattB

If so, it would be fairly conclusive proof of an afterlife. 

Not to mention a celestial www.

[Awesoman]

I haven't read this entire thread, but has there been an actual official announcement about *any* kind of significant release or are we just going by Al Jardine's little tease?