I think big news is coming...

[hypehat]

Guys! Guys! Gather round! Ron has an opinion!

[jardine (no relation]

All I hope is that they don't use the word "chick" on the new album.

[Shady]

It wasn't too long ago Mike released "santas goin to Kokomo", we love him but he's capable of anything

[drbeachboy]

But John, i'm showing you evidence that the best songs they ever did were all Chick songs.  So then you praise the sh*t out of one album, and I illustrate to you again that it's an album full of chick songs, and you still won't make the simple concession that the best music they ever did was about chicks.  

LOL

What's going on, man?  Just admit it.  You want the Beach Boys to sing some chick songs.  


Here's what's really going on : It's the music that people feel, not the lyrics.  One of the brilliant things that Brian and the boys were always able to pull off, was that they could sing a song about a girl in a bikini, but yet have so many lush vocals on top of it, beautifully recorded guitars and drums, backing vocals so expressive it sounded like waves washing up on a beach, and just general happiness, youthfulness, and warmth, that anybody that heard it loved it whether or not they were into the lyrics or not.

So one of my pet peeves is people who think that lyrics have to be 'intellectual' to make a good song.  They so clearly do not, and sometimes it gets so heavy that it hurts the song.  I would love nothing more than for the boys to record a bunch of awesome songs like the 64,65,66 period.  Well recorded, nice instrumentation, beautiful backing vocals, and then hell make them about chicks!  That's the Beach Boys!  

It's an Endless Summer, you know.  

I won't make that concession because I don't think the best music The Beach Boys ever recorded was about chicks.  A great deal of it was but our paths are going to diverge on this issue.  I love the music The Beach Boys wrote previous to SMiLE but I also regard SMiLE as the greatest music ever recorded period.  Not only by The Beach Boys but by anyone period.  At the risk of plagiarizing a well known Beach Boys author (probably Dom again but not sure) nowhere else are the harmonies so rich, the music so intricate and the songwriting so spectacular.  Lyrics don't need to be intellectual to make a good song but when someone knocks it out of the park like Van Dyke Parks did with SMiLE, they knock it out of the park.  "Surf's Up" in my opinion is the greatest song ever recorded period.  So that is why we are having this disagreement.

Again, nobody but diehards like us would agree with what you said. I love Surf's Up, but by no means do I consider it the best song they ever made. As albums as a whole, I don't even agree that Pet Sounds and Smile would rank in my top 5 favorite albums, nor would the average fan. If it were true, you would hear much more of those albums played in concert.

[JohnMill]

But John, i'm showing you evidence that the best songs they ever did were all Chick songs.  So then you praise the sh*t out of one album, and I illustrate to you again that it's an album full of chick songs, and you still won't make the simple concession that the best music they ever did was about chicks.  

LOL

What's going on, man?  Just admit it.  You want the Beach Boys to sing some chick songs.  


Here's what's really going on : It's the music that people feel, not the lyrics.  One of the brilliant things that Brian and the boys were always able to pull off, was that they could sing a song about a girl in a bikini, but yet have so many lush vocals on top of it, beautifully recorded guitars and drums, backing vocals so expressive it sounded like waves washing up on a beach, and just general happiness, youthfulness, and warmth, that anybody that heard it loved it whether or not they were into the lyrics or not.

So one of my pet peeves is people who think that lyrics have to be 'intellectual' to make a good song.  They so clearly do not, and sometimes it gets so heavy that it hurts the song.  I would love nothing more than for the boys to record a bunch of awesome songs like the 64,65,66 period.  Well recorded, nice instrumentation, beautiful backing vocals, and then hell make them about chicks!  That's the Beach Boys!  

It's an Endless Summer, you know.  

I won't make that concession because I don't think the best music The Beach Boys ever recorded was about chicks.  A great deal of it was but our paths are going to diverge on this issue.  I love the music The Beach Boys wrote previous to SMiLE but I also regard SMiLE as the greatest music ever recorded period.  Not only by The Beach Boys but by anyone period.  At the risk of plagiarizing a well known Beach Boys author (probably Dom again but not sure) nowhere else are the harmonies so rich, the music so intricate and the songwriting so spectacular.  Lyrics don't need to be intellectual to make a good song but when someone knocks it out of the park like Van Dyke Parks did with SMiLE, they knock it out of the park.  "Surf's Up" in my opinion is the greatest song ever recorded period.  So that is why we are having this disagreement.

Again, nobody but diehards like us would agree with what you said. I love Surf's Up, but by no means do I consider it the best song they ever made. As albums as a whole, I don't even agree that Pet Sounds and Smile would rank in my top 5 favorite albums, nor would the average fan. If it were true, you would hear much more of those albums played in concert.

I would argue that Pet Sounds is a lot of people's favorite album of all time. 

[Wirestone]

My lord. The level of disconnect here from any sort of reality, let alone generally accepted levels of aesthetic appreciation, boggles the  mind. Let's just run through these things.

1.) Drop the "chicks" schtick. It's really fucking stupid. It is demeaning to women, and it makes you look like crass assholes.

2.) The Beach Boys are actually known by many -- if not most -- 20 and 30-somethings as the band that recorded Pet Sounds. The album is legendary. And that is as it should be.

3.) The fun and sun stuff is stupid. It was cool for a couple of years in the 60s, but it certainly isn't now. The group continues to be popular in spite of that stuff, not because of it.

4.) To even consider that SIP and TLOS are on the same level requires a suspension of disbelief so vast I'm surprised said poster is able to function in the physical world.

5.) Not everyone who likes this band is a white, straight male in his 50s and 60s who plans to vote for Mitt Romney. Failure to appreciate this reflects poorly on you, not on the people with other viewpoints.

6.) I can't believe someone in a forum like this actually has to argue that Pet Sounds is the band's best work.

7.) Yes, there are people who believed this reunion was a bad idea. This thread proves why.

[jardine (no relation]

"Chicks" dig it.

[Ron]

I mean seriously.  You guys are so full of sh*t.  The reason Joe Blow likes the Beach Boys is because he's a Music Fan.  You couldn't pay me to read Dom whatever his name is's book about the two types of music fans.  The arrogance it must take (and this is coming from ME, think about that!)... the arrogance it must take to think that you know better than hundreds of millions of 'joe blows' is mind numbing.  

The only thing different about the Smile album, and the rest of Brian's music, is the Smile stuff has LESS timeless appeal.  You think 200 years from now, in music appreciation class, they're going to be playing "Cabinessence" ?  Hell no, they're going to be playing Good Vibes, they're going to be playing Surfer Girl, they're going to be playing I get Around.  

Deal with it.  The Beach Boys are legends not because a bunch of stuck-up 'music fans' like them, they're legends because JOE BLOW likes them!  

How people miss this is beyond me.  


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBbZuilQt20

[Ron]

It wasn't too long ago Mike released "santas goin to Kokomo", we love him but he's capable of anything

And Brian tried to release 'Smart Girls'.  Three times. 

[JohnMill]

My lord. The level of disconnect here from any sort of reality, let alone generally accepted levels of aesthetic appreciation, boggles the  mind. Let's just run through these things.

1.) Drop the "chicks" schtick. It's really f*cking stupid. It is demeaning to women, and it makes you look like crass assholes.

2.) The Beach Boys are actually known by many -- if not most -- 20 and 30-somethings as the band that recorded Pet Sounds. The album is legendary. And that is as it should be.

3.) The fun and sun stuff is stupid. It was cool for a couple of years in the 60s, but it certainly isn't now. The group continues to be popular in spite of that stuff, not because of it.

4.) To even consider that SIP and TLOS are on the same level requires a suspension of disbelief so vast I'm surprised said poster is able to function in the physical world.

5.) Not everyone who likes this band is a white, straight male in his 50s and 60s who plans to vote for Mitt Romney. Failure to appreciate this reflects poorly on you, not on the people with other viewpoints.

6.) I can't believe someone in a forum like this actually has to argue that Pet Sounds is the band's best work.

7.) Yes, there are people who believed this reunion was a bad idea. This thread proves why.

I don't know if The Beach Boys are popular in spite of songs like "Surfin' USA" and "I Get Around".  I think that might be taking it a bit too far.  I was explaining to someone the other night that when you record songs that are so deeply embedded into the fabric of a generation or era it can carry your legacy essentially forever.  I honestly think those songs play both ways.  There are things about those songs that do sound very entrenched in the era in which they recorded and I can see that being off putting to some.  However, if you spin the coin, nostalgia sells man and there are lot of people who either lived through the era of surf, hamburger stands and drive ins or just have an appreciation for it in general and they love that stuff.  It also doesn't hurt that when it comes to The Beach Boys a lot of those songs just plain out rock.

Don't underestimate nostalgia.  The Johnny Rockets in my local mall still does a brisk business every weekend and it ain't just the hamburgers.  If that was true the Burger King right down the hall would be filled up too and it rarely is.  

[Shady]

It wasn't too long ago Mike released "santas goin to Kokomo", we love him but he's capable of anything

And Brian tried to release 'Smart Girls'.  Three times. 

Totally different circumstances

[Zach95]

I REALLY hope no one at Capital even looks at this thread.  For some of you saying you wouldn't enjoy something like TLOS or, even if unlikely, PET SOUNDS, you've gone completely off the deep end.  By the way, for those of your who see Pet Sounds as an album primarily about girls and girls only...you haven't really listened to and/or appreciate that record for what it really is.

[JohnMill]

I mean seriously.  You guys are so full of sh*t.  The reason Joe Blow likes the Beach Boys is because he's a Music Fan.  You couldn't pay me to read Dom whatever his name is's book about the two types of music fans.  The arrogance it must take (and this is coming from ME, think about that!)... the arrogance it must take to think that you know better than hundreds of millions of 'joe blows' is mind numbing.  

The only thing different about the Smile album, and the rest of Brian's music, is the Smile stuff has LESS timeless appeal.  You think 200 years from now, in music appreciation class, they're going to be playing "Cabinessence" ?  Hell no, they're going to be playing Good Vibes, they're going to be playing Surfer Girl, they're going to be playing I get Around.  

Deal with it.  The Beach Boys are legends not because a bunch of stuck-up 'music fans' like them, they're legends because JOE BLOW likes them!  

How people miss this is beyond me.  


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBbZuilQt20

But what you are missing is you can also argue that The Beach Boys music was on the verge of becoming irrelevant outside of being purely a nostalgia kick until fans started discovering "Pet Sounds" and "SMiLE" in the late eighties and nineties.  It's not too far fetched to think that without the rediscovery of that period of Beach Boys music, the only thing to talk about outside of the nostalgia kick when it comes to this band would be "Kokomo" and their appearances on "Home Improvement" and "Full House".  

Taking that into account without the rediscovery of "Pet Sounds" and "SMiLE" we might not be talking about a Beach Boys reunion tour at all because the rediscovery of those albums raised the group's profile to where it hadn't been in decades to where there would be actual interest in this band outside of a pure nostalgia act.  As much as the nostalgia trip is going to sell tickets to this reunion tour, you can easily argue that the appeal of "Pet Sounds" and "SMiLE" will sell more than a few tickets to individuals who otherwise would have no interest in seeing this band at this point in their careers.

[Ron]

My lord. The level of disconnect here from any sort of reality, let alone generally accepted levels of aesthetic appreciation, boggles the  mind. Let's just run through these things.

1.) Drop the "chicks" schtick. It's really f*cking stupid. It is demeaning to women, and it makes you look like crass assholes.

2.) The Beach Boys are actually known by many -- if not most -- 20 and 30-somethings as the band that recorded Pet Sounds. The album is legendary. And that is as it should be.

3.) The fun and sun stuff is stupid. It was cool for a couple of years in the 60s, but it certainly isn't now. The group continues to be popular in spite of that stuff, not because of it.

4.) To even consider that SIP and TLOS are on the same level requires a suspension of disbelief so vast I'm surprised said poster is able to function in the physical world.

5.) Not everyone who likes this band is a white, straight male in his 50s and 60s who plans to vote for Mitt Romney. Failure to appreciate this reflects poorly on you, not on the people with other viewpoints.

6.) I can't believe someone in a forum like this actually has to argue that Pet Sounds is the band's best work.

7.) Yes, there are people who believed this reunion was a bad idea. This thread proves why.

1.  Chicks is not demeaning to women.  It's demeaning to stuck up women, which are likely the type you associate with since you're such a stuck up 'Music Fan'.  Get  real.  Chicks LOVE being called Chicks.
Similarly, I don't get upset when a girl calls me "Dude".  It's not demeaning, you're mind numb if you think it is.  Sorry.  It's fact.  Grow some balls.  Your later political comments show me that you likely don't have any.  
2. Pet Sounds is about Chicks.  Thank you for proving my point.  
3. The Fun in the Sun stuff is the only thing played on the radio.  The group is #3 (according to Melinda) in radio royalties.  Fun in the sun is only stupid if you're lonely in the dark.  Keep arguing.  
4. I didn't say Summer In Paradise was anything.  I specifically talked about the albums from '64 to '66.  Apologize for lying about me.
5.  Not every Dr. Dre fan is a 20 year old black guy who voted for Obama.  What's your point?
6. Pet Sounds is an album about chicks.  thank you for proving my point.  Also, the name of the forum is "Smiley Smile".  You make no sense.  
7.  This thread does prove there are people who think this reunion is a bad idea... because there are lots of arrogant 'music fans' (i mean, really? Really?) like you on forums like this.  

BTW, KOKOMO is better than Cabinessence.  

Discuss.  

[Ron]

It wasn't too long ago Mike released "santas goin to Kokomo", we love him but he's capable of anything

And Brian tried to release 'Smart Girls'.  Three times. 

Totally different circumstances

LOL.  I suppose.  So, Mike records something crazy, boo.  Brian records something crazy... that's o.k., he was being abused. 

Lets regroup.

It wasn't too long ago, Brian recorded, released, toured to support "Fairy Tale". 

[JohnMill]

It wasn't too long ago Mike released "santas goin to Kokomo", we love him but he's capable of anything

And Brian tried to release 'Smart Girls'.  Three times. 

Totally different circumstances

LOL.  I suppose.  So, Mike records something crazy, boo.  Brian records something crazy... that's o.k., he was being abused. 

Lets regroup.

It wasn't too long ago, Brian recorded, released, toured to support "Fairy Tale". 

I like "Fairy Tale" especially the coda.

[Ron]

My lord. The level of disconnect here from any sort of reality, let alone generally accepted levels of aesthetic appreciation, boggles the  mind. Let's just run through these things.

1.) Drop the "chicks" schtick. It's really f*cking stupid. It is demeaning to women, and it makes you look like crass assholes.

2.) The Beach Boys are actually known by many -- if not most -- 20 and 30-somethings as the band that recorded Pet Sounds. The album is legendary. And that is as it should be.

3.) The fun and sun stuff is stupid. It was cool for a couple of years in the 60s, but it certainly isn't now. The group continues to be popular in spite of that stuff, not because of it.

4.) To even consider that SIP and TLOS are on the same level requires a suspension of disbelief so vast I'm surprised said poster is able to function in the physical world.

5.) Not everyone who likes this band is a white, straight male in his 50s and 60s who plans to vote for Mitt Romney. Failure to appreciate this reflects poorly on you, not on the people with other viewpoints.

6.) I can't believe someone in a forum like this actually has to argue that Pet Sounds is the band's best work.

7.) Yes, there are people who believed this reunion was a bad idea. This thread proves why.

I don't know if The Beach Boys are popular in spite of songs like "Surfin' USA" and "I Get Around".  I think that might be taking it a bit too far.  I was explaining to someone the other night that when you record songs that are so deeply embedded into the fabric of a generation or era it can carry your legacy essentially forever.  I honestly think those songs play both ways.  There are things about those songs that do sound very entrenched in the era in which they recorded and I can see that being off putting to some.  However, if you spin the coin, nostalgia sells man and there are lot of people who either lived through the era of surf, hamburger stands and drive ins or just have an appreciation for it in general and they love that stuff.  It also doesn't hurt that when it comes to The Beach Boys a lot of those songs just plain out rock.

Don't underestimate nostalgia.  The Johnny Rockets in my local mall still does a brisk business every weekend and it ain't just the hamburgers.  If that was true the Burger King right down the hall would be filled up too and it rarely is.  

What it comes down to is, John, the Boys and Capitol Records know what the public wants.  Wirestone will be really, really depressed when this new album comes out, and Brian and co. will continue counting their millions.  Tonight Wirestone will listen to "A Day in the Life of a Tree", and Brian Wilson, the man who wrote it, will watch American Idol then get in bed with his wife.  

Just sayin'.  Stop being a Stan, Wirestone.  

[Shady]

Did somebody just say Kokomo is better than cabin essence

[joe_blow]

 The Beach Boys are legends not because a bunch of stuck-up 'music fans' like them, they're legends because JOE BLOW likes them!  

Well put!

[lee]

I don't really know what to expect as far as the new album but I'm guessing it will be closer to their "surf and sun" songs than anything else. I'm just hoping that they do mix up the live sets rather than just performing Sounds of Summer live. That (to me) would make this tour a wasted opportunity.  It's a celebration of 50 years of music, not a celebration of '62-65. You can go see the Mike & Bruce touring Beach Boys any year to hear that set.

[drbeachboy]

My lord. The level of disconnect here from any sort of reality, let alone generally accepted levels of aesthetic appreciation, boggles the  mind. Let's just run through these things.

1.) Drop the "chicks" schtick. It's really f*cking stupid. It is demeaning to women, and it makes you look like crass assholes.

2.) The Beach Boys are actually known by many -- if not most -- 20 and 30-somethings as the band that recorded Pet Sounds. The album is legendary. And that is as it should be.

3.) The fun and sun stuff is stupid. It was cool for a couple of years in the 60s, but it certainly isn't now. The group continues to be popular in spite of that stuff, not because of it.

4.) To even consider that SIP and TLOS are on the same level requires a suspension of disbelief so vast I'm surprised said poster is able to function in the physical world.

5.) Not everyone who likes this band is a white, straight male in his 50s and 60s who plans to vote for Mitt Romney. Failure to appreciate this reflects poorly on you, not on the people with other viewpoints.

6.) I can't believe someone in a forum like this actually has to argue that Pet Sounds is the band's best work.

7.) Yes, there are people who believed this reunion was a bad idea. This thread proves why.

You are the one disconnected here. I'll agree that Pet Sounds is great and sophisticated, but it is not what people go hear when they see The Beach Boys. Get over it. You want them perceived the way you want and not how they actually are. Come to think of it, they may have gotten it right and we are wrong. At least they didn't deceive themselves in thinking that their best music was necessarily their most popular music. Even Brian realized his Smile music would not appeal to the main demographic that listened to their music and pulled the plug on it. There is a reason that for 50 years people still go to their shows; for the joy that Brian's early and mid-60s music gives to them.

[Ron]

Did somebody just say Kokomo is better than cabin essence

ON EVERY LEVEL, Nerd!


LOL

Sorry, somebody's got to bring some of you guys back to reality.  On every, f*cking, level.  

I guess you could argue the production was better on Cabinessence.

Hell even BRIAN WILSON thinks Kokomo is better than Cabinessence.  

It's fact, it's fact.  There's only 1 song Brian regrets not being on.  

J/K about the Nerd thing, just trying to get some conversation going, this place is unbelievably boring. 

[Ron]

I don't really know what to expect as far as the new album but I'm guessing it will be closer to their "surf and sun" songs than anything else. I'm just hoping that they do mix up the live sets rather than just performing Sounds of Summer live. That (to me) would make this tour a wasted opportunity.  It's a celebration of 50 years of music, not a celebration of '62-65. You can go see the Mike & Bruce touring Beach Boys any year to hear that set.

Lee, we've gotten way off track, this originally started with some just stating that they want the new album to sound like the stuff from '64 to '66, then all hell broke loose because we didnt' say we wanted it to sound like '66 to '67.

I'm positive the new album will have many styles, and i'm positive when they tour they'll play plenty of stuff from Smile and Pet Sounds, as well as the 70's stuff.  They'll also do Kokomo with Uncle Jessie at most venues. 

[JohnMill]

My lord. The level of disconnect here from any sort of reality, let alone generally accepted levels of aesthetic appreciation, boggles the  mind. Let's just run through these things.

1.) Drop the "chicks" schtick. It's really f*cking stupid. It is demeaning to women, and it makes you look like crass assholes.

2.) The Beach Boys are actually known by many -- if not most -- 20 and 30-somethings as the band that recorded Pet Sounds. The album is legendary. And that is as it should be.

3.) The fun and sun stuff is stupid. It was cool for a couple of years in the 60s, but it certainly isn't now. The group continues to be popular in spite of that stuff, not because of it.

4.) To even consider that SIP and TLOS are on the same level requires a suspension of disbelief so vast I'm surprised said poster is able to function in the physical world.

5.) Not everyone who likes this band is a white, straight male in his 50s and 60s who plans to vote for Mitt Romney. Failure to appreciate this reflects poorly on you, not on the people with other viewpoints.

6.) I can't believe someone in a forum like this actually has to argue that Pet Sounds is the band's best work.

7.) Yes, there are people who believed this reunion was a bad idea. This thread proves why.

You are the one disconnected here. I'll agree that Pet Sounds is great and sophisticated, but it is not what people go hear when they see The Beach Boys. Get over it. You want them perceived the way you want and not how they actually are. Come to think of it, they may have gotten
it right and we are wrong. At least they didn't deceive themselves in thinking that their best music was necessarily their most popular music. Even Brian realized his Smile music would not appeal to the main demographic that listened to their music and pulled the plug on it. There is a reason that for 50 years people still go there shows; for the joy that Brian's ealy and mid-60s music gives to them.

You really think that is the reason why people went to see BWPS or even the "Pet Sounds" tour?  

*Dear god please don't let this conversation turn into a serious music fans go to see Brian Wilson and Joe Public goes to see Mike & Bruce*

[joe_blow]

Have there been any quotes by Brian yet stating that The Beach Boys sound BETTER than his band?