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[The Heartical Don]

Love the inscription on the run-out grove on the single " this doesn't have to be perfect "

Ah, that was a fine tradition... I have numerous LPs with 'A Porky Prime Cut' inscribed. Forgot what or whom it refers to...

[Andrew G. Doe]

the end of CabinEssence sounds like Steve Hoffman's Pet Sounds - which does make me wonder if he's done similiar work here?

I very much doubt Mr. Hoffman has anything to do with this 45.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Yipes, all this stuff about stretchy tapes syncing could please stop now. Here's why.
It's obvious that whatever analog multitracks have been found over the years have been digitized along the way to avoid further degradation from wear, time, and, yes, okay, I guess stretching. Therefore, any mixes done from them in 1993 or now would sync. The timing in digital audio multitracks doesn't drift.
We got enough mysteries without this fake one. 

That's exactly what I'm saying! I think you misunderstand. As this new mix synchs exactly with the '93 digital master of the 20/20 track, then this pretty much proves this is where it comes from, as any new mix from the older analog tapes would not synch.

And on closer inspection I'm going with what others are saying. The end is a new mix from the '66 multis. If you try to synch this up, it is going out of phase by the first 'Coollee'

I just didn't listen far enough in yesterday.

Anyway, if people are fed up of this I'll shut up gladly. I'm really happy with the mix, I think they've done a fantastic job with what is available to them.

[hypehat]

It's infuriating, as we're hardly dealing with the highest quality source. MP3's of cheap, coloured vinyl. I'm sure if Mojo had stuck it on a CD, we'd be able to get a lot more out of it.

Listening to the vinyl on headphones last night, I do think they're new mixes, but then I am an eternal optimist. Where's yrplace when we need him....

Also, I think they'd started digitising the tape library three or four years ago? Although it's obviously possible the album masters were done earlier as they were all ready and hadn't gone anywhere, unlike the vast majority of the BB's tapes.

[chris.metcalfe]

Ah, that was a fine tradition... I have numerous LPs with 'A Porky Prime Cut' inscribed. Forgot what or whom it refers to...

George Peckham of the UK.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

I don't know if this is germane to anything being done with the SMiLE tracks or not.
But there is a new software called CEDAR.. and you can seperate things locked together
on one track. I have never used it, and I know the results can vary from excellent to poor.
Depending on whats locked together on the one track.

All the tons of info related to SMiLE but I have not heard anyone say anything about
whether they are using cedar or not..

In theory you could take a single desirable overdub and seperate it from everything else
shape it in protools and use it on any take you wanted..



Does anyone know if they have been using it, it would open up all kinds of possiblities if they did.

It's only the tape synching I'm shutting up about.....

I think I mentioned yesterday that extraction software may have been used on Truck Driving Man, but having listened to one channel of the 20/20 mix, it does seem to be pushed louder when in mono. So not too sure.

And I'd have nothing against them using Cedar if it's done tastefully and well, and judging from these two mixes I don't think we have to worry.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I hear better quality mastering, I certainly hear (or deduce) new edits, I'm pretty sure I hear a hard pan to one channel of the stereo version in there somewhere: what I'm not hearing is any new mixing, just some re-EQing. I await knowing exactly what is going on in there.  

[AllIWannaDo]

the end of CabinEssence sounds like Steve Hoffman's Pet Sounds - which does make me wonder if he's done similiar work here?

I very much doubt Mr. Hoffman has anything to do with this 45.

howdy aha, okay o well.
But can you see where i'm coming from (with cabinessence) tho, theres defntly a click noise just before the ending exactly at 2.24 - this HAS to be an edit noise, the fade out afterwards is a new mix and sounds different to whats before - i think the end is a complete brand new mix, now im guessing here but.... if this has been recorded at a separate date to the earlier sections would mean this section has been rediscovered, mixed and added on the end in place of what we used to have?

what do you reckon, seems plausible for me?

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Where's yrplace when we need him....

Probably reading this thread and laughing

[Iron Horse-Apples]

the end of CabinEssence sounds like Steve Hoffman's Pet Sounds - which does make me wonder if he's done similiar work here?

I very much doubt Mr. Hoffman has anything to do with this 45.

howdy aha, okay o well.
But can you see where i'm coming from (with cabinessence) tho, theres defntly a click noise just before the ending exactly at 2.24 - this HAS to be an edit noise, the fade out afterwards is a new mix and sounds different to whats before - i think the end is a complete brand new mix, now im guessing here but.... if this has been recorded at a separate date to the earlier sections would mean this section has been rediscovered, mixed and added on the end in place of what we used to have?

what do you reckon, seems plausible for me?

The fade section was finished in '66, complete with vocals. Those multitracks are not missing. It's only the '68 multi's with Carl's vocal and possibly some sweetening that are missing AFAIK

And yes, it is a new mix of the fade.

But not the verses.

They've done what they could with what they had.

[Andrew G. Doe]

the end of CabinEssence sounds like Steve Hoffman's Pet Sounds - which does make me wonder if he's done similiar work here?

I very much doubt Mr. Hoffman has anything to do with this 45.

howdy aha, okay o well.
But can you see where i'm coming from (with cabinessence) tho, theres defntly a click noise just before the ending exactly at 2.24 - this HAS to be an edit noise, the fade out afterwards is a new mix and sounds different to whats before - i think the end is a complete brand new mix, now im guessing here but.... if this has been recorded at a separate date to the earlier sections would mean this section has been rediscovered, mixed and added on the end in place of what we used to have?

what do you reckon, seems plausible for me?

How about surface noise from a coloured vinyl 45 ? 

[Andrew G. Doe]

The fade section was finished in '66, complete with vocals. Those multitracks are not missing. It's only the '68 multi's with Carl's vocal and possibly some sweetening that are missing AFAIK

AFAYK...

[Andrew G. Doe]

Where's yrplace when we need him....

Probably reading this thread and laughing

My understanding is, he's currently engaged on a major archival project that demands his undivided attention. Allegedly. 

[The Shift]

Where's yrplace when we need him....

Probably reading this thread and laughing

My understanding is, he's currently engaged on a major archival project that demands his undivided attention. Allegedly.  

I have noticed him lurking recently… maybe one day soon he'll throw us a bone  

… or maybe he only drops by to pick up advice!







 

[AllIWannaDo]

The fade section was finished in '66, complete with vocals. Those multitracks are not missing. It's only the '68 multi's with Carl's vocal and possibly some sweetening that are missing AFAIK

AFAYK...

AFAYK? hahah erm what does it mean?

cool so i can see the end is a new edit and theyv spliced it onto the rest which has been tidyd up/cleaned/eq'd. what a shame theyv not got the rest - i love it.
was positive that click was an edit noise, I've had the same with using protools/editing before, think it because the splice may not have been crossfaded to the midge fly's zipper into the old mix. i of course may be wrong

Great job, real shame bits are missing to not allow the same happening with the rest of the song that happens with the end

[Andrew G. Doe]

Where's yrplace when we need him....

Probably reading this thread and laughing

My understanding is, he's currently engaged on a major archival project that demands his undivided attention. Allegedly.  

I have noticed him lurking recently… maybe one day soon he'll throw us a bone  

Oh, I would be extraordinarily surprised if he didn't have a lurk now and then to see what latest mad notion we'd hatched based on shaky evidence, personal prejudices and a lavish supply of complete fantasy. I'm surprised he's got anything done for falling down laughing. Friend of mine took a peek recently, and offered this pearl from the Real World:

"You people should get out more".  

[Andrew G. Doe]

The fade section was finished in '66, complete with vocals. Those multitracks are not missing. It's only the '68 multi's with Carl's vocal and possibly some sweetening that are missing AFAIK

AFAYK...

AFAYK? hahah erm what does it mean?

cool so i can see the end is a new edit and theyv spliced it onto the rest which has been tidyd up/cleaned/eq'd. what a shame theyv not got the rest - i love it.
was positive that click was an edit noise, I've had the same with using protools/editing before, think it because the splice may not have been crossfaded to the midge fly's zipper into the old mix. i of course may be wrong

Great job, real shame bits are missing to not allow the same happening with the rest of the song that happens with the end

I'm sure extensive use has been made of the bifurcated double sploshing flange, as pioneered by Sir George Martin back in the mid-60s.

[18thofMay]

Where's yrplace when we need him....

Probably reading this thread and laughing

My understanding is, he's currently engaged on a major archival project that demands his undivided attention. Allegedly.  

I have noticed him lurking recently… maybe one day soon he'll throw us a bone  

Oh, I would be extraordinarily surprised if he didn't have a lurk now and then to see what latest mad notion we'd hatched based on shaky evidence, personal prejudices and a lavish supply of complete fantasy. I'm surprised he's got anything done for falling down laughing. Friend of mine took a peek recently, and offered this pearl from the Real World:

"You people should get out more".  

Or stop the devotion to one book!

[Wrightfan]

You know...is it me or is Mike's "over and over" section sped up at the end? Sounds like it.

[Chris Moise]

If it stays in digital sync with the '93 digital master of the 20/20 track then it shares a common digital source which means it absolutely is not a new mix from the multi-tracks. At least for the portions of the track that stay in sync. The tag could certainly be a remix but the main part of the track isn't. If this is really one channel of the 1968 stereo mix with the tag a new mix from a multi-track then it might not be the most auspicious start for the box.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

If it stays in digital sync the '93 digital master of the 20/20 track then it shares a common digital source which means it absolutely is not a new mix from the multi-tracks. At least for the portions of the track that stay in sync. The tag could certainly be a remix but the main part of the track isn't. If this is really one channel of the 1968 stereo mix with the tag a new mix from a multi-track then it might not be the most auspicious start for the box.

I just don't think they had much to work with if they wanted the lead vocals on there.
I think they've done a lovely job, it sounds like a mono mix circa 1967 by a producer at the top of his game.

[Chris Moise]

I just don't think they had much to work with if they wanted the lead vocals on there.
I think they've done a lovely job, it sounds like a mono mix circa 1967 by a producer at the top of his game.

That"s a good point. If it's down to just using the standard 1968 stereo mix on 20/20, especially if the surrounding tracks are true mono mixes, then it might be the only other option. I haven't heard it yet save for on my el cheapo PC speakers. Generally I don't like doing things like tacking on remixed intros (or outros) tacked on the vintage mixes.

[bgas]

 It's only the '68 multi's with Carl's vocal and possibly some sweetening that are missing AFAIK

So. What are the chances that, given Carl's notorious privacy as to his "private" life, that the 68 multis are stored away somewhere in his belongings; uncatalogued and unknown even to his children?
He took them home, "locked them away" and forgot about them

[The Heartical Don]

The fade section was finished in '66, complete with vocals. Those multitracks are not missing. It's only the '68 multi's with Carl's vocal and possibly some sweetening that are missing AFAIK

AFAYK...

AFAYK? hahah erm what does it mean?

cool so i can see the end is a new edit and theyv spliced it onto the rest which has been tidyd up/cleaned/eq'd. what a shame theyv not got the rest - i love it.
was positive that click was an edit noise, I've had the same with using protools/editing before, think it because the splice may not have been crossfaded to the midge fly's zipper into the old mix. i of course may be wrong

Great job, real shame bits are missing to not allow the same happening with the rest of the song that happens with the end

I'm sure extensive use has been made of the bifurcated double sploshing flange, as pioneered by Sir George Martin back in the mid-60s.

Yeah. That's what I told my mum yesterday: use that bifurcated double sploshing flange more often in the kitchen. She totally, like, agreed with me, man.

[Paul2010]

You know...is it me or is Mike's "over and over" section sped up at the end? Sounds like it.

That's what I noticed as well. Definately higher pitched than on the stereo mix or the beginning of the fade section. Not sure wether it's only Mike's vocal, or the whole song speeding up.