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[AllIWannaDo]

People May i Interupt and ask what's the Problem My friends are discussing.
I'd love to join in , i know thats just a Personal Matter of opinion i'm suggesting but I'd be really grateful to all those concerned

[Shady]

If anyone still hasn't got the link PM me and I'll sort you out

[Ebb and Flow]

The only Cabin Essence tape that has ever been confirmed missing is Carl's '68 lead...which has now been confirmed as just a single track doubled via ADT (Which is why simply folding down the 20-20 mix sounds so awful).  The chorus and the coda vocals were recorded in '66 and they have the multis for these sections...confirmed by the contents of Secret Smile.

My guess: one of the channels of the 20-20 version for Carl's part + new mix for everything else.

[Roger Ryan]

The only Cabin Essence tape that has ever been confirmed missing is Carl's '68 lead...which has now been confirmed as just a single track doubled via ADT (Which is why simply folding down the 20-20 mix sounds so awful).  The chorus and the coda were recorded in '66 and they have the multis for these sections...confirmed by the contents of Secret Smile.

My guess: one of the channels of the 20-20 version for Carl's part + new mix for everything else.

This could be down to EQ'ing, but the "doyn, doyn" backing vocals sound higher in the mix on this version and Carl's lead is definitely treated to a little extra reverb on the "folks sing a song of the grange" line. Also, the chorus features better isolation of the individual instruments (I can finally hear the cello properly) which could be down to EQ'ing again. I feel about 60% certain that Dennis is actually mixed higher and 99% certain that Mike is as well on the coda (not just the result of EQ'ing).

Certainly some kind of multi-tracks exist for this song since the backing track was issued in true stereo in '93. The boots all seem to feature takes with chorus vocals and Mike's coda vocal, so I'm thinking those are around.

I don't want to put too fine a point on it - as AGD says, the liner notes should reveal all in a few months.

[homeontherange]

Both of these mixes (?) are absolutely excellent!

[CenturyDeprived]

Could someone Please Make my day with these tunes?

[18thofMay]

I love them!!

[WWDWD?]

Pardon Me, bu could someone please help me out too. Thank you!

[Wrightfan]

Just heard the two.

Cabin Essence: Not sure if it's true mono but it's different that's for sure, ESPECIALLY the ending.

Wonderful: Those yodels have never sounded better...and this is on scratchy vinyl!

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS SET ANY LONGER! RELEASE THIS NOW! 

[18thofMay]

Is this edition available in Australia??

[Chris Brown]

The only Cabin Essence tape that has ever been confirmed missing is Carl's '68 lead...which has now been confirmed as just a single track doubled via ADT (Which is why simply folding down the 20-20 mix sounds so awful).  The chorus and the coda were recorded in '66 and they have the multis for these sections...confirmed by the contents of Secret Smile.

My guess: one of the channels of the 20-20 version for Carl's part + new mix for everything else.

This could be down to EQ'ing, but the "doyn, doyn" backing vocals sound higher in the mix on this version and Carl's lead is definitely treated to a little extra reverb on the "folks sing a song of the grange" line. Also, the chorus features better isolation of the individual instruments (I can finally hear the cello properly) which could be down to EQ'ing again. I feel about 60% certain that Dennis is actually mixed higher and 99% certain that Mike is as well on the coda (not just the result of EQ'ing).

Certainly some kind of multi-tracks exist for this song since the backing track was issued in true stereo in '93. The boots all seem to feature takes with chorus vocals and Mike's coda vocal, so I'm thinking those are around.

I don't want to put too fine a point on it - as AGD says, the liner notes should reveal all in a few months.

I'm with you, I think there is good aural evidence that this is a new mix rather than just a left channel reduction.  Whatever they did though, it sounds incredible, especially the chorus and the coda.  Mono really brings out the driving power of both sections.

[thevigilanteoflove]

Could someone please PM me the two songs? I realize this is my first post but I've been reading this board every day for about a year, and this seems like the best time to finally get involved. Thanks!

[groganb]

Yipes, all this stuff about stretchy tapes syncing could please stop now. Here's why.
It's obvious that whatever analog multitracks have been found over the years have been digitized along the way to avoid further degradation from wear, time, and, yes, okay, I guess stretching. Therefore, any mixes done from them in 1993 or now would sync. The timing in digital audio multitracks doesn't drift.
We got enough mysteries without this fake one. 

[bgas]

This thread makes my brain bleed. I may not be around this forum much when the actual box set comes out.

It's likely most heads will have imploded and no one will be around

[Chris Brown]

This thread makes my brain bleed. I may not be around this forum much when the actual box set comes out.

It's likely most heads will have imploded and no one will be around

It'll be like 2/20/04 times fifty.

[Jason]

This thread makes my brain bleed. I may not be around this forum much when the actual box set comes out.

It's likely most heads will have imploded and no one will be around

Except on the blueboard. They'll be defending TLOS and Gershwin over this. Not that those aren't good or even great (Gershwin), but...not Smile.

[monicker]

Greetings,

I realize that it is probably gauche for a new member to Plea for that Mojo. But i'm a former member from ye olden days of the ol' Smile Shop board. Used to post a lot circa 2002-2005-ish. Went away for a long, long time, but started lurking when the box set was announced. I tried to register here in March but, for some unknown reason, i never received confirmation of my registration request being approved, so i figured new members weren't being accepted. Glad i decided to try to log-in today for the hell of it and discover that i could.

Anyway, i would be most appreciative and indebted to any kind soul who can Please Me tonight.

Oh, and hello to all the old folks from yesteryear.

[DjJazzyOwen]

Please May someone tell me what all the fuss is about?

[Andrew G. Doe]

I'm with you, I think there is good aural evidence that this is a new mix rather than just a left channel reduction. 

Really ?

My ears, which granted are 55 years old and have inhaled, tell me it's probably not a new mix. Not entirely sure what it is, but ProTools and the like are wonderful things.

[vintagemusic]

I don't know if this is germane to anything being done with the SMiLE tracks or not.
But there is a new software called CEDAR.. and you can seperate things locked together
on one track. I have never used it, and I know the results can vary from excellent to poor.
Depending on whats locked together on the one track.

All the tons of info related to SMiLE but I have not heard anyone say anything about
whether they are using cedar or not..

In theory you could take a single desirable overdub and seperate it from everything else
shape it in protools and use it on any take you wanted..

Does anyone know if they have been using it, it would open up all kinds of possiblities if they did.

[The Heartical Don]

I don't know if this is germane to anything being done with the SMiLE tracks or not.
But there is a new software called CEDAR.. and you can seperate things locked together
on one track. I have never used it, and I know the results can vary from excellent to poor.
Depending on whats locked together on the one track.

All the tons of info related to SMiLE but I have not heard anyone say anything about
whether they are using cedar or not..

In theory you could take a single desirable overdub and seperate it from everything else
shape it in protools and use it on any take you wanted..

Does anyone know if they have been using it, it would open up all kinds of possiblities if they did.

Hmmm... sorry, but isn't this 'too much dabbling'?

[Austin]

I don't know if this is germane to anything being done with the SMiLE tracks or not.
But there is a new software called CEDAR.. and you can seperate things locked together
on one track. I have never used it, and I know the results can vary from excellent to poor.
Depending on whats locked together on the one track.

All the tons of info related to SMiLE but I have not heard anyone say anything about
whether they are using cedar or not..

In theory you could take a single desirable overdub and seperate it from everything else
shape it in protools and use it on any take you wanted..

Does anyone know if they have been using it, it would open up all kinds of possiblities if they did.

Hmmm... sorry, but isn't this 'too much dabbling'?

It certainly can be, though obviously depends on the usage. I'm receptive to such software being used to isolate the spare overdub or two from a master tape for an otherwise-intact multitrack, but aside from the work done on The Beatles: Rock Band, I've yet to hear a mono-to-true-stereo remix that sounds releasable.

[vintagemusic]

I don't know if this is germane to anything being done with the SMiLE tracks or not.
But there is a new software called CEDAR.. and you can seperate things locked together
on one track. I have never used it, and I know the results can vary from excellent to poor.
Depending on whats locked together on the one track.

All the tons of info related to SMiLE but I have not heard anyone say anything about
whether they are using cedar or not..

In theory you could take a single desirable overdub and seperate it from everything else
shape it in protools and use it on any take you wanted..

Does anyone know if they have been using it, it would open up all kinds of possiblities if they did.

Hmmm... sorry, but isn't this 'too much dabbling'?

Well it depends, if you seperated the drums, bass and Keyboards all on their own tracks
you would have much more control during a new mix, or if you could seperate vocals locked in
with backing tracks, or vocals  locked in with other vocal parts, whatever you seperate you could
more fully control during any new mix, I would think it could be more of a godsend than too much
dabbling, the ability to seperate things.


I only thought of this because people were commenting on a backround vocal part flown in
over the top of the Wonderful promo single in Mojo magazine.

As Austin mentioned, the Beatles engineers used that CEDAR software and seperated bass and drums
locked together on one track and things like that, it was quite sensational.

[AllIWannaDo]

Like a Proud Mother i awoke to see my 2 children back home, I'm very happy and excited

Wonderful there is a yoddle I'd not been aware of before thats quite hi in the mix around the 50sec mark?
Cabin Essence - also sounds like its been spliced with a new vocal mix (over original backing?) coming in around 1.58
at 2.24 there is a 'slight' click noise as if its a new mix? from here to the end to me this sounds new, or re-eq'd, slightly diferent reverb tone to what I'm used to as well


Sound quality and seperation is a step up from what I've heard previously - on the whole first impression is I'm excited. But I'm also aware these still dont sound from beginning to end as max hi fidelity original source music? it's done incredibly well tho? the end of CabinEssence sounds like Steve Hoffman's Pet Sounds - which does make me wonder if he's done similiar work here?

excited

[Rob Dean]

Love the inscription on the run-out grove on the single " this doesn't have to be perfect "