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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My SMiLE Mix! [repost] on: December 07, 2019, 01:30:15 PM
bam.

I’ll listen to it! Welcome to the club! It’s very difficult to leave.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: September 24, 2019, 02:14:51 PM
I don't think there was anything new in the Durrie Parks acetates..?  Apart from the H&V sequence..?  Although seeing the full list are we sure that wasn't just sections put next to each other for reference..?


Hello.  There's no mention in that auction list of the different edit of H&V..?

Also it looks to me like this:

Disc 1/Side A/  1.  0:42-1:10 portion of “Cabin Essence” (20/20 version.)/ 2. “Heroes & Villains Verse (Master Take)” (with two more seconds of count-off  than box set .) 

really describes sections just next to each other for convenience rather than a true edit of a song..?  Which makes me wonder if the alt H&V is indeed a proper mix or just sections put next to each other for reference.

Yeah, I just sequenced them like that. Sort of like that time Wilson played all those various sections to his friends. The track-listing is really arbitrary due to the fragmented and confusing nature of the material. It doesn’t necessarily delve into what a true edit of “Heroes and Villains” could’ve been in 1966; hence why I called this project a ‘compilation’ more than anything else.

Yeah, there wasn’t anything revelatory on those acetates in regards to what Brian planned for “Heroes and Villains”, and I am sure he sequenced all those tracks like that for reference; all though he did it a bunch of times for some reason. I just sequenced them like that because that’s what Wilson did, but I cannot say he did those things to plan out how “Heroes and Villains” was going to sound as product. I merely a presentation of things Wilson executed, and sometimes extrapolated what he intended for things like “The Elements” where there wasn’t much execution. No one truly knows what Wilson had in mind, because Wilson himself wasn’t certain and kept changing ideas until he scrapped the album altogether to focus on a single that also kept incessantly evolving to the point of frustration and the decay of the project.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: September 24, 2019, 09:02:49 AM
Hello.  There's no mention in that auction list of the different edit of H&V..?

Also it looks to me like this:

Disc 1/Side A/  1.  0:42-1:10 portion of “Cabin Essence” (20/20 version.)/ 2. “Heroes & Villains Verse (Master Take)” (with two more seconds of count-off  than box set .) 

really describes sections just next to each other for convenience rather than a true edit of a song..?  Which makes me wonder if the alt H&V is indeed a proper mix or just sections put next to each other for reference.

Yeah, I just sequenced them like that. Sort of like that time Wilson played all those various sections to his friends. The track-listing is really arbitrary due to the fragmented and confusing nature of the material. It doesn’t necessarily delve into what a true edit of “Heroes and Villains” could’ve been in 1966; hence why I called this project a ‘compilation’ more than anything else.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: September 21, 2019, 08:00:48 AM
Hi! I listened to the stereo remix of side 1 you made. While it was interesting in some parts, especially when I was able to hear some new details, there were some wierd sound effects (i.e.Carls voice in Cabinessence almost sounds like the duophonic sound) here and there that made the listening experience so-so. The mixing was O.K. The part before Vegetables and the song itself was wonderful in stereo though

I really prefer your mono mix, it's kind of this continous listening experience of SMiLE that I really wished (and believe) SMiLE was supposed to be, but without the messy parts in the stereo part.

I have to be clear though, I still listen to the mono-mix. Quite often actually. I'm really thankful that you gave this contribution to all of us!

Yeah, some of the parts were really haphazard in stereo, including Carl’s verses in “Cabin Essence”. Apparently he ADT’d his vocals, so the clarity of that effect was accented a bit messily. Glad you enjoyed the mono.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: September 13, 2019, 07:35:42 PM
Just a friendly bump. Would appreciate any feedback regarding the stereo-mix.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: September 12, 2019, 03:55:05 PM
Listening to the mix again and a thought came to my mind. The parallels between this album and Brian himself are really intriguing:

Brian, in '66/'67, had this outward appearance of being cool, hip, positive guy. SMiLE cover art has this appearance of being hip, happy, and #1 (sporting a banner of a #1 hit song). Yet inwardly, Brian was going through so much turmoil, ups and downs, highs and lows. SMiLE, inwardly, is an album of beauty, love, loss, highs and lows, etc. Brian was reading philosophy and interested in health and nature, and all of this gets infused into SMiLE. And of course it's no surprise that the psyche of the artist would be mirrored in his work, but it's the next part that is really interesting: in the end both Brian and the album seemed to collapse from the pressure. And oddly enough, they both ended up being revived decades later in their own ways.

I don't want it to sound like I'm reading too much into all this, but it's just a thought that crossed my mind. Stellar work Old Master Painter! It's great to hear those puzzle-like edits of the H&V/Cabinessence material. I have always wondered what such an edit would sound like, and I could never piece such an edit together myself.

Also, I feel that you might enjoy the stereo-mix as it offers something unique editing-wise.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: September 12, 2019, 01:10:56 PM
Listening to the mix again and a thought came to my mind. The parallels between this album and Brian himself are really intriguing:

Brian, in '66/'67, had this outward appearance of being cool, hip, positive guy. SMiLE cover art has this appearance of being hip, happy, and #1 (sporting a banner of a #1 hit song). Yet inwardly, Brian was going through so much turmoil, ups and downs, highs and lows. SMiLE, inwardly, is an album of beauty, love, loss, highs and lows, etc. Brian was reading philosophy and interested in health and nature, and all of this gets infused into SMiLE. And of course it's no surprise that the psyche of the artist would be mirrored in his work, but it's the next part that is really interesting: in the end both Brian and the album seemed to collapse from the pressure. And oddly enough, they both ended up being revived decades later in their own ways.

I don't want it to sound like I'm reading too much into all this, but it's just a thought that crossed my mind. Stellar work Old Master Painter! It's great to hear those puzzle-like edits of the H&V/Cabinessence material. I have always wondered what such an edit would sound like, and I could never piece such an edit together myself.

Well, I couldn’t have described Wilson’s relationship with his own work as succinctly as you have. It’s been great working on this, and I thank you for listening to it!
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: September 12, 2019, 08:35:04 AM
".... in a variety of ways that might seem convoluted to some people"

don't worry about that, everyone knows SMiLE was born convoluted

I can be rest assured if you can be rest assured



Thank you. Making this really put Wilson’s dilemma into perspective...
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: September 11, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
I know that this thread has been dormant for a long time, but I figure that it's better for me to post this here than elsewhere. I also don't want to irk a bunch of people who'll probably look at this and say: "oh, gosh. Not another post about a Smile fan-mix by the same guy!" Yeah, I get it. I've really been known around here for tweaking and approaching this work in a variety of ways that might seem convoluted to some people - but real-life and the priorities that lie ahead are getting in the way as well. I was fairly satisfied by my mono-mix last year: but I was trying make the material sound uniform as a stereo-presentation that I think would serve the material the best way I possibly can. I get very fixated on a few small-details - and I cannot let my perspective of working on this get in the way of acknowledging the even more generous and dedicated Beach Boys and Smile-heads who are invigorated by the vision of what could've been salvageable guided by Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks' transformational intentions and ideas behind the making of this music - some of which's work that is present on this version. I'd like to thank SonicLoveNoize, Syd Barrett, and the YouTuber 'teksälf musics' whose "Good Vibrations" video seems to be blocked by YouTube. With that came the mounting task of filling in the empty-tracks where stereo-stems or mixes are not available - as in the 1966 recording of "Heroes and Villains", "Barnyard", and my edit of "The Elements"-suite comprising of collages made from the "Psychedelic Sounds" recordings Brian and his friends made in 1966 to test out ideas for in-between song skits and dialogue. It's really the most I could do owing appreciation to this community for fostering appreciation for such magneficient music, and I can be rest assured that this will be my last. Enjoy.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Rv2GsnVXrnMY9JijIAr8AaYGIqGMWFQB
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: March 23, 2019, 08:51:16 PM
Sorry to revive the dead again, but I just made this mix available on YouTibe so more people could get the chance of hearing it.
https://youtu.be/JQx7jnfGHek
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE: Bygone Mix on: February 26, 2019, 02:20:51 PM
I’ve always loved Very Extremely Dan’s analysis and track-list. I shall check it out and give feedback! Good job!
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: February 26, 2019, 12:59:11 PM
I liked "The Elements" most of all in your mix. In fact, I stole that idea of "Air Pollution-segment "(Brian's smog monologue) into my own version! You may listen it here if interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6WmN2ifggE.

Thank you. I used every “Element”-related recording (in my opinion) during the construction of this mix, so I’m glad you liked it.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: February 25, 2019, 07:55:10 AM
The Good Vibrations and Heroes and Villians Stereo Extractions are amazing! They are my go to now! I like the Safety Reels Mix, Acetate sounds too scratchy. The Overall Mix for the songs is cool. It's like a Schizophrenic Jigsaw Puzzle.  Smiley

Thanks. A full stereo mix for the album will come very soon.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: February 24, 2019, 07:17:44 PM
Bump.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: February 23, 2019, 08:02:41 PM
I added a third folder in the Google Drive folder called “Stereo Single Reels”, which contain electronically-extracted stereo-mixes of “Good Vibrations” and the February 1967 version of “Heroes and Villains” (made by iHeartMikeLove and TheOneBeachBoysManiac respectively) mastered and re-worked to sound as true to the original mono-mixes as possible. This took a lot of hours of my time, so I would really appreciate if you all could give feedback. The rest of the stereo version of my fan-mix is intended to sound like this, so any advice would really help.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: February 18, 2019, 02:14:34 PM
Not a big fan of Heroes and Villains, Cabin Essence, Do You Like Worms, and I'm In Great Shape being jumbled up like that

Fair criticism. This is a pretty interesting compilation in terms of how it presents that material.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: February 17, 2019, 05:42:56 PM
I hope a Google Drive link will be sufficient. I also completed many of the steeeo tracks, but assembly and mixing will take a lot longer than planned. Hopefully by this year everything will be complete. Till then, enjoy the album in mono!

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Wxvp80itEiATVzbZt8JwDCxxa_ZR8i0L
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 31, 2019, 04:38:14 PM
Thanks for the replies. I will prepare FLAC files after completing a stereo mix, which is going to be a rather extensive project.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 12, 2019, 08:03:56 AM
Would you guys want to hear a stereo version of this mix?
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 10, 2019, 07:55:26 AM
So, what do you guys think?
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 09, 2019, 06:41:28 PM
Does Google Drive work for you guys?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Ht6i5A6riidrTVP7uGgEz8PBvQLOY3DR
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 09, 2019, 05:02:36 PM
A very nice choice of materials for Side B that courageously goes against "common wisdom" regarding placement of certain segments (DYLW <--> Wind Chimes).

That said, my gut sense is that DYLW is the prelude to H&V and thus should precede it on Side A, and that Wind Chimes should be the first cut on Side B, which could then nicely unfold as you have it (but w/o DYLW and going directly into that really nice "Great Shape" mashup which does a great job of showing how so many segments could be slammed up against each other to interesting effect).

Domenic Priore suggested in LLVS that "Wind Chimes" could have been the follow-up single to GV. I think it might have done OK if it had followed the Cantina version of H&V, maybe in the late spring of '67. Think of it as an ethereal response to "Penny Lane," but with a much more killer bass line.

Thank you! I had actually considered placing “Wind Chimes” as the opener of “Side B”, and it would not be a bad choice either. The track list is more arbitrary than anything for tracks such as “Heroes and Villains”, “Cabin Essence”, “The Old Master Painter” “Do You Like Worms?”, and “I’m In Great Shape”.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 09, 2019, 07:56:29 AM
I'd love to have this as an MP3 or flac if possible!

I’ll upload this mix onto a file-sharing site someday.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 08, 2019, 02:05:14 PM
I finished Side B. Give it a listen and let me know what you think.

https://vimeo.com/310210928

The password is: “smile”
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 08, 2019, 10:48:13 AM
I feel that my mix would be a good basis for an album that could have been released in early 1967, and coupled with the “Cantina” mix of “Heroes and Villains” with the flip-side being “You’re Welcome” as a single, The Beach Boys would have firmly established themselves as innovative and at the forefront of the sixties’ pop-revolution.
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