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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence
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on: November 02, 2017, 03:15:07 PM
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I feel confident in this template, but am wondering where to place four other songs in the blank space provided:
1. Good Vibrations 2. — 3. — 4. Do You Like Worms 5. Heroes and Villains 6. The Old Master Painter
7. The Elements 8. I’m In Great Shape 9. Vega-Tables 10. — 11. — 12. Surf’s Up
The four remaining tracks are “Wonderful,” “Child is The Father of The Man,” “Cabin Essence,” and “Wind Chimes.”
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence
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on: November 02, 2017, 03:10:44 PM
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Moine, just for yuks:
SMiLe
1. (Prayer/Gee) HEROES AND VILLAINS 2. DO YOU LIKE WORMS 3. I'M IN GREAT SHAPE (The Barnyard Suite: I'm In Great Shape/Barnyard/Three Blind Mice/Whistle In) 4. THE OLD MASTER PAINTER 5. CABIN ESSENCE 6. WONDERFUL
7. (Look) CHILD IS FATHER OF THE MAN 8. SURF'S UP 9. VEGA-TABLES 10. (Holidays) WIND CHIMES 11. THE ELEMENTS (The Elements Suite: Air; Country Air/Fire; Mrs O'Leary's Cow/Earth; I Wanna Be Around-Workshop/Water; I Love To Say Da Da) 12. GOOD VIBRATIONS
I love how you used “Country Air” as a part of “The Elements.”
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence
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on: November 01, 2017, 03:06:15 PM
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Our Prayer Heroes and Villains Heroes and Villains Part 2 I'm In Great Shape Barnyard He Gives Speeches Do You Like Worms? Tones Three Blind Mice The Old Master Painter-You Were My Sunshine Cabinessence Bicycle Rider Wonderful Look Teeter-Totter Love My Little Red Book I Don't Know Child Is The Father Of The Man Holidays With Me Tonight Indian Wisdom Good Vibrations Vega-Tables Wind Chimes Mrs. O'Leary's Cow I Wanna Be Around-Workshop Cool Cool Water-I Love To Say Da Da Surf's Up You're Welcome
That's pretty lengthy, although at the same time very thorough and covers a wide range of music that was recorded during or after the sessions for the album into an enjoyable list.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence
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on: October 28, 2017, 05:49:15 PM
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Here's my new and improved sequence. Side One- 1. Good Vibrations 2. Cabin Essence 3. Do You Like Worms 4. Heroes and Villains 5. The Elements 6. I’m In Great Shape 7. Vega-Tables Side Two- 8. Holidays 9. Wind Chimes 10. Wonderful 11. I Ran 12. Child is The Father of The Man 13. Surf’s Up This track sequence or template intends to present the material recorded for the Beach Boys’ tentative “Smile” project from mid to late 1966 as a two-movement suite that was hinted by the project’s leader Brian Wilson in a 2004 interview. This track sequence considers musical flow from one track to the next, collaborator Van Dyke Parks’ lyrics, artist Frank Holmes’ period artwork intended for the project, vintage acetate discs and tapes that consisted of arrangements of fragments meant to join as a song or tentative track compilations, Michael Vosse’s articles about “Smile” from 1966-67, some of The Beach Boys’ later musical output from 1967 and later that drew inspiration or borrowed from the discarded project (emphasis on “Smiley Smile”), Jules Siegel’s 1967 article written about “Smile,” Michael Vosse’s recollections about the project from a 1968 interview, Darian Sahanaja’s recollections about Brian Wilson’s original ideas for the project when working with Wilson in 2004, and Van Dyke Parks’ recollections about the project from interviews. A note about “Heroes and Villains”: opens with the section: “Introduction,” commonly referred to as: “Chimes.” After the first two verses; segues to the section: “I’m In Great Shape…” followed by sections: “My Children Were Raised…” “At Three Score & Five…” respectively. Acapella barbershop vocals follow to the section: “Barnyard,” segueing to and finally ending on the section: “The Old Master Painter.”
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence
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on: October 26, 2017, 10:15:01 AM
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Michael Vosse claimed that “Do You Like Worms” and “Cabin Essence” were once closely related, and omitted lines from “Do You Like Worms” seem to imply this (I’m going to paraphrase these lines): “The East or West Indies, we always got them confused.” I feel this might have been some form of commentary on the struggle of the Eastern migrant-workers on the song “Cabin Essence” and about the “Bicycle Rider”’s affect on the “...Church of the American Indian.” I recall Vosse elaborating further; stipulating that the “Bicycle Rider” and “Iron Horse”-sections once existed as a single-piece. Of course; this must have been an early-idea that was ditched in favour of having the two songs as being separate; hence why there isn’t surviving recordings or recollection of such recordings of the “East or West Indies” line. If you study the Durre Parks acetates; there is an acetate that goes from “Who Ran The Iron Horse?,” to “Bicycle Rider,” to the verse of “Heroes and Villains.” My conclusions that these pieces were related more than previously thought could be heavily deviated from truth, but I’m basing such conclusions from factual-information (the Vosse piece, lyric-drafts, acetate-edits). By the way, how was a connect between “Do You Like Worms” to “Holidays” even established?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence
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on: October 25, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
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I agree that the change from "often wise" to simply "wise" is obvious but that was Brian's intent for SMiLE. If you listened and followed the story told between H&V pt.1 and H&V pt.2 you'd become wise. You'd be enlightened by Brian's vision of the past. And like many fables the moral of the story is stated explicitly at the end. Surf's Up, SMiLE summed up in one song. One man's enlightenment caused by visions of the past.
Here's the Wiki definition of a fable: "Fable is a literary genre: a succinct fictional story, in prose or verse, that features animals, legendary creatures, plants, inanimate objects, or forces of nature that are anthropomorphized (given human qualities, such as the ability to speak human language) and that illustrates or leads to a particular moral lesson (a "moral"), which may at the end be added explicitly as a pithy maxim."
Of course I agree that there will never be a FINAL ABSOLUTE version of SMiLE circa 1967, but if you are looking for a simple/logical way to put the songs together in a manner that will make sense to a neophyte this sequence works wonders. I get so tired of reading non-believers saying Brian lost the plot and it's a bunch of half finished acid alliteration. I think this sequence gives the lie to that untruth. It works extremely well sequenced as a simple US history/literature/music class taught with a lot of love and mercy.
One of your initial track-lists inspired me to make this thread.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence
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on: October 25, 2017, 06:15:48 PM
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SIDE A 1. Heroes and Villains 2. Mrs O'Leary's Cow 3. Do You Like Worms 4. Good Vibrations 5. Cabin Essence 6. Do You Like Worms 7. Look
SIDE B 8. the Fade from Vege-Tables 9. Sloop John B 10. Do You Like Worms 11. all of the Psychedelic Sounds bootleg 12. Wonderful (Rock Me Henry version) 13. the verses of Cabin Essence repeated three times 14. Old Master Painter
You forgot “God Only Knows,” obviously the most pivotal Beach Boys SMiLE-era track
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence
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on: October 22, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
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Stop, stop, stop it with all this sequencing nonsense, nobody cares....
Thanks for the constructive-criticism. You do realize this is a Beach Boys forum; and people could talk about nearly everything related to The Beach Boys, especially Beach Boys’ music, and that’s what we are doing.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence
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on: October 22, 2017, 12:41:54 PM
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Prayer into Vibes, just as was originally intended. Sonically, harmonically, it just works.
I always thought that Prayer was superceded as 'intro to the album' later, when Brian decided to open the album with H&V instead. He then recorded You're Welcome as the new intro.
So Prayer could have opened side 2.
Not sure about your I Ran folowing GV. I have it on good authority (from Darian), that the Wonderful / I Ran edit, and Barnyard / Old Master Painter edit are vintage ideas. He said Brian just slotted those bits together without a thought.
Other possible vintage edits are Bridge To Indians into Worms.
Regarding banding, I think there would have been some, but there woukd have also been some long sequences containing several songs / sections.. In my Smile questions thread the other day, I was chasing down that VDP quote about the album being a traditional 12 track album with banding.
Turns out it was something supposedly said to a certain now banned member who has been known to fabricate stuff when there was an agenda to be pushed.
It’s interesting that Darian has clarified that “Wonderful” into “I Ran” was a vintage-idea in 1966. That raises quite a few possibilities, however, I think that “I Ran” was eventually scrapped from the project, like “Holidays.”
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence
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on: October 22, 2017, 11:45:19 AM
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I thought I’d offer my own track-sequence as a way to start this thread rolling. Let’s get to it, shall we?
Our Prayer- edited version with 10 seconds omitted, based on a 1966 edit 1. Good Vibrations (inc. I Ran) 2. Cabin Essence 3. Do You Like Worms 4. Wind Chimes (inc. Holidays) 5. Wonderful
6. Heroes and Villains 7. The Old Master Painter 8. The Elements (inc. My Vega-Tables) 9. Child is The Father of The Man 10. Surf’s Up (inc. Our Prayer excerpt [the edited 10 seconds appear here])
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Your SMiLE sequence
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on: October 22, 2017, 11:39:45 AM
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Yes, this thread will become very hypothetical, perhaps much to the dismay of any avid-researcher, but through such hypotheticals, the goal is to be creative with the resources and information at one’s disposal in order to create a track-sequence for the proposed Smile project; if it were ever realized as a compilation of incomplete sessions considerate of the original intent behind the project, or as a completed-product In 1966/7. It’s late 1966, you’re at a press-party and have the opportunity to speak to Brian Wilson. You’re aware that any decision you make will greatly impact the course of the future. You only have one comment or advice to give; what would you tell Brian? To continue further; imagine you are at the helm of Brian’s social-circles, and have the opportunity to contribute your ideas to the new Beach Boys’ album; Smile. What ideas would you contribute to Smile? What would you change about the music, of anything? And now to perhaps the reason why I started this thread; what track-sequence would you offer Brian for Smile in late-1966; just as he is completing the album for release on Christmas, 1966?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does anyone have info about this Smile vinyl bootleg?
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on: October 14, 2017, 09:28:18 AM
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(I've literally heard every second of music put out by whatever means, whatever else is there is either in a vault or no longer exists)
So you've heard With Me Tonight with the Bag Of Tricks percussion Billy? Also the Durrie acetate dub of H&V incorporating I'm In Great Shape? So you sit in a big f*cking jacuzzi with a big f*cking cigar listening to this sh*t then come on here like Lord f*cking Muck? Billy, I'm shocked......... I wish there is a way to “like” comments like these.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
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on: October 09, 2017, 11:49:02 AM
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I don’t hate the guy personally, I don’t know him, but I can’t help it but judge him over the way he names his albums... “Unleash The Love”? Seriously? We get it, his surname is Love, but he has to stop with the puns on his name... it’s getting redundant, for Love’s sake.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images
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on: September 26, 2017, 04:57:13 PM
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Vale and Hickory Violet,
I am very new to the board and am just getting into deep tracks and "deep facts." I had no idea of the Dumb Angel-Smile connection. Thanks for the info!
That's fine. Brush up on your Smile facts and you may win a bronze statuette. Or, wait for it, a reel containing 30 minutes more of Brian Wilson and Hal Blaine's "Vegetable Arguments."
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villains: 1967 Japanese Single Liner-Notes...
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on: September 26, 2017, 04:27:23 PM
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Guys, I won't be tolerating offhand jokes on this thread anymore. We need to be talking about more pressing matters... like the contents of an uncovered manuscript that supposedly detail Mike Love's original 1966 lyrics to "The Elements: Water":
"Way back when well our master plan Was havin' fun fun fun as america's band Well we came out rockin' with rhonda and barbara ann Singin' of surf and sand
Now when we look back over all the fun we had If our lifestyle's over now it sure is sad We gotta get back to livin' without a care Give me sunshine water and an ozone layer
Paradise is a state of mind Where mother nature nurtures and man is kind We need a change now wouldn't it be nice If we could bring back summer
Get us back our summer Summer in paradise (paradise) Summer in paradise (paradise)
They chop down the forests And in their haste leave a trail of destruction And toxic waste is leavin' no one safe In their home or their habitat Can't let it go like that
Too much consumption and too much greed When you consider all the people That are livin' in need Interdependence in this world is a natural fact And we're all under attack
It's the eve of destruction or so they say But mankind doesn't have to go that way If we all get together we can make things right And we can bring back summer
Get us back our summer Summer in paradise (paradise) Summer in paradise (paradise) Summer in paradise (paradise) Summer in paradise
Surfers recycle now don't you know Like evryone from california to kokomo We're gonna keep on rockin' And raisin' world consciousness We gotta fix this mess
Looked in the future and what I saw Was a world in harmony with natural law There's trouble now but it will be alright if we can
Bring back summer Get us back our summer Summer in paradise
Summer in paradise (paradise) Summer in paradise (paradise) Summer in paradise (paradise) Summer in paradise
Summer in paradise (paradise) Summer in paradise
Summer in paradise (paradise) Summer in paradise
Summer in paradise (paradise) Summer in paradise."
*sniffles*, now that's songwriting...
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villains: 1967 Japanese Single Liner-Notes...
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on: September 26, 2017, 02:55:19 PM
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I was browsing the Internet for information on The Beach Boys' 1967 single-release of their song "Heroes and Villains." While lost on Google Images; I found something very peculiar: an image of Japanese liner-notes provided with the original 45 RPM release of "Heroes and Villains." The existence of the notes weren't peculiar, but the contents were. I found them on this site: http://www.beachboys45.nl/Japan-Capitol-66-67.htmAnyways, looking at the notes, I found mention of; not one, not two, but three songs that were meant to be on the discarded and shelved "Smile" LP, including a title that I've never read or seen mentioned anywhere else: " The Bronze Statuette." Yes, really. Here is an image, via attachment, of one of the pages of the liner-notes, and more information about other Beach Boys' Japanese single-releases are on the site that was linked: That 'title' is apprently a name of a prize given to them, not a song title. Oh, okay! That makes much more sense!
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