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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: November 02, 2017, 03:15:07 PM
I feel confident in this template, but am wondering where to place four other songs in the blank space provided:

1. Good Vibrations
2. —
3. —
4. Do You Like Worms
5. Heroes and Villains
6. The Old Master Painter

7. The Elements
8. I’m In Great Shape
9. Vega-Tables
10. —
11. —
12. Surf’s Up

The four remaining tracks are “Wonderful,” “Child is The Father of The Man,” “Cabin Essence,” and “Wind Chimes.”
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: November 02, 2017, 03:10:44 PM
Moine, just for yuks:

SMiLe

1. (Prayer/Gee) HEROES AND VILLAINS
2. DO YOU LIKE WORMS
3. I'M IN GREAT SHAPE
(The Barnyard Suite: I'm In Great Shape/Barnyard/Three Blind Mice/Whistle In)
4. THE OLD MASTER PAINTER
5. CABIN ESSENCE
6. WONDERFUL

7. (Look) CHILD IS FATHER OF THE MAN
8. SURF'S UP
9. VEGA-TABLES
10. (Holidays) WIND CHIMES
11. THE ELEMENTS
(The Elements Suite: Air; Country Air/Fire; Mrs O'Leary's Cow/Earth; I Wanna Be Around-Workshop/Water; I Love To Say Da Da)
12. GOOD VIBRATIONS

I love how you used “Country Air” as a part of “The Elements.”
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: November 01, 2017, 03:06:15 PM
Our Prayer
Heroes and Villains
Heroes and Villains Part 2
I'm In Great Shape
Barnyard
He Gives Speeches
Do You Like Worms?
Tones
Three Blind Mice
The Old Master Painter-You Were My Sunshine
Cabinessence
Bicycle Rider
Wonderful
Look
Teeter-Totter Love
My Little Red Book
I Don't Know
Child Is The Father Of The Man
Holidays
With Me Tonight
Indian Wisdom
Good Vibrations
Vega-Tables
Wind Chimes
Mrs. O'Leary's Cow
I Wanna Be Around-Workshop
Cool Cool Water-I Love To Say Da Da
Surf's Up
You're Welcome

That's pretty lengthy, although at the same time very thorough and covers a wide range of music that was recorded during or after the sessions for the album into an enjoyable list.
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: October 28, 2017, 06:05:51 PM
Hi Brian.
I come from the future, listen to this, just one time.
Then i will disappear Smiley

https://youtu.be/nwCdeF0RzSI
I've had to listen to it twice to process it... It's simply unbelievable. I could vividly imagine Paul McCartney trembling uncontrollably due to the sheer amazement of something like this being released in 1967.
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: October 28, 2017, 05:49:15 PM
Here's my new and improved sequence.
Side One-
1.   Good Vibrations
2.   Cabin Essence
3.   Do You Like Worms
4.   Heroes and Villains
5.   The Elements
6.   I’m In Great Shape
7.   Vega-Tables
Side Two-
8.   Holidays
9.   Wind Chimes
10.   Wonderful
11.   I Ran
12.   Child is The Father of The Man
13.   Surf’s Up
This track sequence or template intends to present the material recorded for the Beach Boys’ tentative “Smile” project from mid to late 1966 as a two-movement suite that was hinted by the project’s leader Brian Wilson in a 2004 interview.
This track sequence considers musical flow from one track to the next, collaborator Van Dyke Parks’ lyrics, artist Frank Holmes’ period artwork intended for the project, vintage acetate discs and tapes that consisted of arrangements of fragments meant to join as a song or tentative track compilations, Michael Vosse’s articles about “Smile” from 1966-67, some of The Beach Boys’ later musical output from 1967 and later that drew inspiration or borrowed from the discarded project (emphasis on “Smiley Smile”), Jules Siegel’s 1967 article written about “Smile,” Michael Vosse’s recollections about the project from a 1968 interview, Darian Sahanaja’s recollections about Brian Wilson’s original ideas for the project when working with Wilson in 2004, and Van Dyke Parks’ recollections about the project from interviews.
A note about “Heroes and Villains”: opens with the section: “Introduction,” commonly referred to as: “Chimes.” After the first two verses; segues to the section: “I’m In Great Shape…” followed by sections: “My Children Were Raised…” “At Three Score & Five…” respectively. Acapella barbershop vocals follow to the section: “Barnyard,” segueing to and finally ending on the section: “The Old Master Painter.”
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: October 28, 2017, 07:14:51 AM
Hi Brian.
I come from the future, listen to this, just one time.
Then i will disappear Smiley

https://youtu.be/nwCdeF0RzSI

Great work!
57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: October 26, 2017, 10:15:01 AM
Michael Vosse claimed that “Do You Like Worms” and “Cabin Essence” were once closely related, and omitted lines from “Do You Like Worms” seem to imply this (I’m going to paraphrase these lines): “The East or West Indies, we always got them confused.” I feel this might have been some form of commentary on the struggle of the Eastern migrant-workers on the song “Cabin Essence” and about the “Bicycle Rider”’s affect on the “...Church of the American Indian.” I recall Vosse elaborating further; stipulating that the “Bicycle Rider” and “Iron Horse”-sections once existed as a single-piece. Of course; this must have been an early-idea that was ditched in favour of having the two songs as being separate; hence why there isn’t surviving recordings or recollection of such recordings of the “East or West Indies” line. If you study the Durre Parks acetates; there is an acetate that goes from “Who Ran The Iron Horse?,” to “Bicycle Rider,” to the verse of “Heroes and Villains.” My conclusions that these pieces were related more than previously thought could be heavily deviated from truth, but I’m basing such conclusions from factual-information (the Vosse piece, lyric-drafts, acetate-edits). By the way, how was a connect between “Do You Like Worms” to “Holidays” even established?
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: October 25, 2017, 06:21:29 PM
Can we all agree that there is a possibility that “Our Prayer” was once meant to precede “Good Vibrations” during the early development of the project? After all, “Good Vibrations” is plastered all over the SMiLE album-sleeve.
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: October 25, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
I agree that  the change from "often wise" to simply "wise" is obvious but that was Brian's intent for SMiLE.  If you listened and followed the story told between H&V pt.1 and H&V pt.2 you'd become wise.  You'd be enlightened by Brian's vision of the past.  And like many fables the moral of the story is stated explicitly at the end.  Surf's Up, SMiLE summed up in one song.  One man's enlightenment caused by visions of the past.

Here's the Wiki definition of a fable:  "Fable is a literary genre: a succinct fictional story, in prose or verse, that features animals, legendary creatures, plants, inanimate objects, or forces of nature that are anthropomorphized (given human qualities, such as the ability to speak human language) and that illustrates or leads to a particular moral lesson (a "moral"), which may at the end be added explicitly as a pithy maxim."

Of course I agree that there will never be a FINAL  ABSOLUTE version of SMiLE circa 1967, but if you are looking for a simple/logical way to put the songs together in a manner that will make sense to a neophyte this sequence works wonders.  I get so tired of reading non-believers saying Brian lost the plot and it's a bunch of half finished acid alliteration.  I think this sequence gives the lie to that untruth.  It works extremely well sequenced as a simple US history/literature/music class taught with a lot of love and mercy.

One of your initial track-lists inspired me to make this thread.
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: October 25, 2017, 06:15:48 PM
SIDE A
1. Heroes and Villains
2. Mrs O'Leary's Cow
3. Do You Like Worms
4. Good Vibrations
5. Cabin Essence
6. Do You Like Worms
7. Look

SIDE B
8. the Fade from Vege-Tables
9.  Sloop John B
10.  Do You Like Worms
11.  all of the Psychedelic Sounds bootleg
12.  Wonderful (Rock Me Henry version)
13.  the verses of Cabin Essence repeated three times
14.  Old Master Painter

You forgot “God Only Knows,” obviously the most pivotal Beach Boys SMiLE-era track
61  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: October 22, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
Stop, stop, stop it with all this sequencing nonsense, nobody cares....
Thanks for the constructive-criticism. You do realize this is a Beach Boys forum; and people could talk about nearly everything related to The Beach Boys, especially Beach Boys’ music, and that’s what we are doing.
62  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: October 22, 2017, 12:41:54 PM
Prayer into Vibes, just as was originally intended. Sonically, harmonically, it just works.

I always thought that Prayer was superceded as 'intro to the album' later, when Brian decided to open the album with H&V instead.  He then recorded You're Welcome as the new intro.

So Prayer could have opened side 2.

Not sure about your I Ran folowing GV. I have it on good authority (from Darian), that the Wonderful / I Ran edit, and Barnyard / Old Master Painter edit are vintage ideas. He said Brian just slotted those bits together without a thought.

Other possible vintage edits are Bridge To Indians into Worms.

Regarding banding, I think there would have been some, but there woukd have also been some long sequences containing several songs / sections.. In my Smile questions thread the other day, I was chasing down that VDP quote about the album being a traditional 12 track album with banding.

Turns out it was something supposedly said to a certain now banned member who has been known to fabricate stuff when there was an agenda to be pushed.



It’s interesting that Darian has clarified that “Wonderful” into “I Ran” was a vintage-idea in 1966. That raises quite a few possibilities, however, I think that “I Ran” was eventually scrapped from the project, like “Holidays.”
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: October 22, 2017, 12:38:29 PM
Accidental-post.
64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: October 22, 2017, 11:45:19 AM
I thought I’d offer my own track-sequence as a way to start this thread rolling. Let’s get to it, shall we?

Our Prayer- edited version with 10 seconds omitted, based on a 1966 edit
1. Good Vibrations (inc. I Ran)
2. Cabin Essence
3. Do You Like Worms
4. Wind Chimes (inc. Holidays)
5. Wonderful

6. Heroes and Villains
7. The Old Master Painter
8. The Elements (inc. My Vega-Tables)
9. Child is The Father of The Man
10. Surf’s Up (inc. Our Prayer excerpt [the edited 10 seconds appear here])
65  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Your SMiLE sequence on: October 22, 2017, 11:39:45 AM
 Yes, this thread will become very hypothetical, perhaps much to the dismay of any avid-researcher, but through such hypotheticals, the goal is to be creative with the resources and information at one’s disposal in order to create a track-sequence for the proposed Smile project; if it were ever realized as a compilation of incomplete sessions considerate of the original intent behind the project, or as a completed-product In 1966/7.
 It’s late 1966, you’re at a press-party and have the opportunity to speak to Brian Wilson. You’re aware that any decision you make will greatly impact the course of the future. You only have one comment or advice to give; what would you tell Brian? To continue further; imagine you are at the helm of Brian’s social-circles, and have the opportunity to contribute your ideas to the new Beach Boys’ album; Smile. What ideas would you contribute to Smile? What would you change about the music, of anything?
And now to perhaps the reason why I started this thread; what track-sequence would you offer Brian for Smile in late-1966; just as he is completing the album for release on Christmas, 1966?
66  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does anyone have info about this Smile vinyl bootleg? on: October 14, 2017, 09:28:18 AM
(I've literally heard every second of music put out by whatever means, whatever else is there is either in a vault or no longer exists)

So you've heard With Me Tonight with the Bag Of Tricks percussion Billy?

Also the Durrie acetate dub of H&V incorporating  I'm In Great Shape?

So you sit in a big f*cking  jacuzzi with a big f*cking cigar listening to this sh*t then come on here like Lord f*cking Muck?

Billy, I'm shocked.........

I wish there is a way to “like” comments like these.
67  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: October 09, 2017, 11:52:02 AM
I reached out again to the owner of the tapes etc., this morning. He was in France and is returning next week and said he'll call me when he returns.  Head Spin
Have you gotten back to him yet, Mr. Bramsen?
68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why all the Mike Love hate on: October 09, 2017, 11:49:02 AM
I don’t hate the guy personally, I don’t know him, but I can’t help it but judge him over the way he names his albums... “Unleash The Love”? Seriously? We get it, his surname is Love, but he has to stop with the puns on his name... it’s getting redundant, for Love’s sake.
69  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: October 06, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
Mr. Bramsen, have you got back to the photographer and perhaps owner of those tapes shown in the picture that’s been discussed on this thread?
70  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: October 04, 2017, 05:38:36 PM
*BUMP*. Mr. Bramsen, have you contacted the alleged owner of the tapes in the photograph for any comments regarding the issue?
71  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 26, 2017, 04:57:13 PM
Vale and Hickory Violet,

I am very new to the board and am just getting into deep tracks and "deep facts." I had no idea of the Dumb Angel-Smile connection. Thanks for the info!

That's fine.  Brush up on your Smile facts and you may win a bronze statuette.
Or, wait for it, a reel containing 30 minutes more of Brian Wilson and Hal Blaine's "Vegetable Arguments."
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villains: 1967 Japanese Single Liner-Notes... on: September 26, 2017, 04:27:23 PM
Guys, I won't be tolerating offhand jokes on this thread anymore. We need to be talking about more pressing matters... like the contents of an uncovered manuscript that supposedly detail Mike Love's original 1966 lyrics to "The Elements: Water":

"Way back when well our master plan
Was havin' fun fun fun as america's band
Well we came out rockin' with rhonda and barbara ann
Singin' of surf and sand

Now when we look back over all the fun we had
If our lifestyle's over now it sure is sad
We gotta get back to livin' without a care
Give me sunshine water and an ozone layer

Paradise is a state of mind
Where mother nature nurtures and man is kind
We need a change now wouldn't it be nice
If we could bring back summer

Get us back our summer
Summer in paradise
(paradise)
Summer in paradise (paradise)

They chop down the forests
And in their haste leave a trail of destruction
And toxic waste is leavin' no one safe
In their home or their habitat
Can't let it go like that

Too much consumption and too much greed
When you consider all the people
That are livin' in need
Interdependence in this world is a natural fact
And we're all under attack

It's the eve of destruction or so they say
But mankind doesn't have to go that way
If we all get together we can make things right
And we can bring back summer

Get us back our summer
Summer in paradise
(paradise)
Summer in paradise (paradise)
Summer in paradise (paradise)
Summer in paradise

Surfers recycle now don't you know
Like evryone from california to kokomo
We're gonna keep on rockin'
And raisin' world consciousness
We gotta fix this mess

Looked in the future and what I saw
Was a world in harmony with natural law
There's trouble now but it will be alright if we can

Bring back summer
Get us back our summer
Summer in paradise

Summer in paradise (paradise)
Summer in paradise (paradise)
Summer in paradise (paradise)
Summer in paradise

Summer in paradise (paradise)
Summer in paradise

Summer in paradise (paradise)
Summer in paradise

Summer in paradise (paradise)
Summer in paradise."

*sniffles*, now that's songwriting...
73  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villains: 1967 Japanese Single Liner-Notes... on: September 26, 2017, 02:55:19 PM
I was browsing the Internet for information on The Beach Boys' 1967 single-release of their song "Heroes and Villains."  While lost on Google Images; I found something very peculiar: an image of Japanese liner-notes provided with the original 45 RPM release of "Heroes and Villains." The existence of the notes weren't peculiar, but the contents were. I found them on this site: http://www.beachboys45.nl/Japan-Capitol-66-67.htm
Anyways, looking at the notes, I found mention of; not one, not two, but three songs that were meant to be on the discarded and shelved "Smile" LP, including a title that I've never read or seen mentioned anywhere else: "The Bronze Statuette." Yes, really. Here is an image, via attachment, of one of the pages of the liner-notes, and more information about other Beach Boys' Japanese single-releases are on the site that was linked:

That 'title' is apprently a name of a prize given to them, not a song title.
Oh, okay! That makes much more sense!
74  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villains: 1967 Japanese Single Liner-Notes... on: September 26, 2017, 02:54:50 PM
Shocked

Can anyone translate the whole thing?
If you'd zoom in on the attachment, you could read some of the song-selections in bold, in English.

Well I mean yeah, I can see those, but I'm curious to know what the context for them is
Accidental-post.
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villains: 1967 Japanese Single Liner-Notes... on: September 26, 2017, 02:29:53 PM
Shocked

Can anyone translate the whole thing?
If you'd zoom in on the attachment, you could read some of the song-selections in bold, in English.
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