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76  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Heroes and Villains: 1967 Japanese Single Liner-Notes... on: September 26, 2017, 02:05:36 PM
I was browsing the Internet for information on The Beach Boys' 1967 single-release of their song "Heroes and Villains."  While lost on Google Images; I found something very peculiar: an image of Japanese liner-notes provided with the original 45 RPM release of "Heroes and Villains." The existence of the notes weren't peculiar, but the contents were. I found them on this site: http://www.beachboys45.nl/Japan-Capitol-66-67.htm
Anyways, looking at the notes, I found mention of; not one, not two, but three songs that were meant to be on the discarded and shelved "Smile" LP, including a title that I've never read or seen mentioned anywhere else: "The Bronze Statuette." Yes, really. Here is an image, via attachment, of one of the pages of the liner-notes, and more information about other Beach Boys' Japanese single-releases are on the site that was linked:
77  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 24, 2017, 07:16:45 AM
I theorize that this was the work of a passionate fan who worked as a sound-engineer in the area, and therefore had some connections or acquaintances with The Beach Boys' accolades and/or distributors, you know, from being an obsessive with resources to give because of his sound-engineering abilities. Most of the tapes on the shelfs could be that of released-products; perhaps recordings from vinyl-record sources of those products, while those at the end of the bookshelf are 'special', in the sense they have found their way from insiders; perhaps Brian himself, to this man's archive; as a sort of 'token-of-appreciation', if you will. This sounds ridiculous, and I am reluctant to conclude such, but we do know for a fact the amount of missing tapes; masters, session-reels, compilation-reels, even missing overdub-reels that The Beach Boys have been incurred throughout their recording-career; and the fact that Mark Linnett is perhaps as curious of the possibilities as we are, we need to take this seriously.
78  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 24, 2017, 07:00:15 AM
It is perhaps meaningful to note that in this photograph; the only reels that seem unrelated to any released Beach Boys album are coloured white; i.e "Dumb Angel", "Remote | St. Paul", "| Brian |"; and that these reels are organized together at the very brink of the shelf; kept away from the original Beach Boy releases...
79  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 23, 2017, 06:42:37 AM
So to summarize, we have four basic theories so far:

1. Hoax
2. Superfan Shrine/tape library
3. Legit Safety Copies
4. Audio/Soundsystem Setup

Before I dig into my opinions on each one, I'd like to establish a few things:

* I've concluded the photo is from 1973 for a few reasons. Regardless of how the events that created this photo came together, every single released record by the group from Surfer Girl through Holland is shown in the photo. Whether hoax, superfan, sound system, or legit copies ... surely the "In Concert" album (and the albums that followed if applicable) would have been included.

Additionally, there are something like 50 white-box Scotch reels pictured ... these reels date from late '60s-early '70s and Scotch switched to different style boxes by the mid-'70s.

Further, the Polaroid comes from Ed Roach so we know it dates back to the pre-internet era at least. All of this leads me to comfortably say this photo must be from 1973.

* I'm going to go through each box in the photo and attempt to identify what they appear to be (all appear to be 10.5" reels, some are 1/2" and some are 1/4"):

TOP SHELF -
1. CONCERT LA/NY -  1/4" reel
2. HOLLAND - 1/4" reel, possibly minus fairytale?
3. SO TUFF - 1/4" reel,
4. SURF'S UP -  1/4" reel
5. SUNFLOWER - 1/4" reel
6. 20/20 - 1/4" reel
7. FRIENDS - 1/4" reel
8. WILD HONEY - 1/4" reel
9. SMILEY SMILE - 1/4" reel
10. PET SOUNDS - 1/4" reel, Duophonic version?
11. PARTY - 1/4" reel
12. SUMMER DAYS - 1/4" reel
13. TODAY - 1/4" reel
14. CHRISTMAS - 1/4" reel
15. ALL SUMMER LONG - 1/4" reel
16. SHUT DOWN VOL II - 1/4" reel
17. CONCERT - 1/4" reel
18. LITTLE DEUCE COUPE - 1/4" reel
19. SURFER GIRL(?) - 1/4" reel
presumably SURFIN USA and SURFIN SAFARI are in there but out of view

BOTTOM SHELF -
1. ADD SOME MUSIC TO YOUR DAY - 1/4" reel, unknown
2. LONDON - 1/4" reel, LIVE IN LONDON album
3. TRACKS - 1/4" reel, STACK-O-TRACKS album
4. PET SOUNDS - MONO -1/4" reel, mono version
5. SPRING - 1/4" reel
6. BELLIAGO / HOLLAND - 1/2" reel
7. VEGETABLES - 1/2" reel
8. SUMMER CONCERT - 1/2" reel
9. SURF'S UP - 1/2" reel
10. SUNFLOWER - 1/2" reel
11. REMOTE ST. PAUL - 1/4" reel
12. MISC BEACH BOY MATERIAL - 1/4" reel, single-only tracks, B-sides, etc?
13. BRIAN - 1/4" reel, Huh outside productions? who knows
14. BRIAN / DUMB ANGEL - 1/4" reel, S M I L E comp?
15. WOULDN'T IT BE NICE - 1/4' reel?

To summarize, we have what appears to be a complete archive of Beach Boys released albums on 10.5" 2-track 1/4" reels from SURFIN SAFARI to HOLLAND, plus SPRING.

We also have 1/2" tapes for all of the Brother-era albums (coinciding with the period in which the group began retaining physical ownership of their own mulit-tracks and masters), except SO TOUGH, and along with tapes labeled VEGETABLES and SUMMER CONCERT.

We also see a single tape for individual songs "Add Some Music" and "Wouldn't It Be Nice". Interestingly, these are both songs that we know multiple mixes were made of.

Additionally, we see two concert tapes (REMOTE ST PAUL and CONCERT LA/NYC), two possible comps (MISC BEACH BOY MATERIAL and BRIAN), along with a SMILE comp.

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Let's consider each theory:

1. HOAX -

I don't see this being an elaborate hoax for the reasons HeyJude pointed out above. Being that I believe it to be an authentic photo from 1973, this would be a crazy and expensive thing to do for a Polaroid opp. It's possible, but would have been done by a very organized crazy person.

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2. SUPERFAN TAPE LIBRARY -

I'm open to the superfan theory. This would make sense because all of the officially released albums are there, organized in order and looks similar to how a record collection might be organized.

This would have to be a super audiophile/recording/radio industry type for sure though. 1/2

But some of the tapes look pretty weird for a fan ("VEGETABLES" 4-track?).

How many fans at that time knew that Mt Vernon was Mike's childhood home? I ask because I believe there's a mistake on what appears to be a 1/2" reel for Holland: "BELLAGIO/HOLLAND" -- whoever was labeling the tapes might have mixed up the streets (Brian's vs Mike's ... i.e., it should say "MT VERNON/HOLLAND"). Was this info in the '71 Rolling Stone article?

How many regular folks would have a 1/2" recorder in 1973? The answer is very few. By the early '70s, 1/2" was used for 4-track tape dupe masters, private "demo"/cheap studios, and quad masters.

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3. LEGIT SAFETY COPIES -

I don't believe the presence of the SPRING album suggests any particular theory being more likely. If this is a legit archive, it is not for Capitol or Warners, it's for BRI and BRI would have been in possession of the tapes for this record at some point (or could have leased it to make a copy).

Elements supporting this theory:

* Concert LA/NYC is exactly in chronological order where IN CONCERT would be, but why is it labeled this way? This would make sense if the album was still in-progess. Possibly a safety copy of the original single LP IN CONCERT album that was shelved.

* The presence of 1/2" tapes. My best theory here is that these were some kind of quad experiments for the Brother albums (and "Vegetables" for some reason).

* "BELLAGIO"

Some tapes may have been included that someone in the group (Carl?) or working for the group deemed important, aside from the released material.

Things that don't add up: If these were real safety masters, you'd have two tapes for each album (side one and side two). For some kind of "backup of a backup" archive, I suppose it's possible that they used 1.0 mil tape and combined the two sides onto one tape. The only album this would not work with is Holland (including Fairy Tale -- it runs more than the approx 45 minutes you'd get on one 10.5" 1.0 mil reel at 15 ips).

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4. AUDIO/SOUND SYSTEM SETUP

I think this is plausible. The plaques sort of support it.


If this photograph does indeed show a collection or archive of Beach Boy safety-copies of some guy named Paul Bramsen who lived, or still lives, in St. Paul, Minnesota; is there any way of finding out if this person still owns this physical collection of tapes at his place?
80  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A portal to LA in 1966 has opened up in your kitchen! on: March 28, 2017, 05:25:21 PM
Hmm... no one said this was ever going to be easy...
81  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Cabinessence sequence done when? (Are verse vocals def. from 68?) on: February 23, 2017, 12:39:10 PM
So... any luck tracking down lost acetates?
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Cabinessence sequence done when? (Are verse vocals def. from 68?) on: February 19, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
No feb 8th session.  One on feb 7 for Heroes, one on feb 9 for Teeter Totter Love.

Thank you so much for such informative insight, Bicycle Rider
83  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Cabinessence sequence done when? (Are verse vocals def. from 68?) on: February 19, 2017, 04:23:59 PM
So was there a February 8th session held—regardless of it being a "Surf's Up," session?

If so... what was this session held for?
84  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Cabinessence sequence done when? (Are verse vocals def. from 68?) on: February 19, 2017, 12:06:15 PM
So was there a February 8th session held—regardless of it being a "Surf's Up," session?
85  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Cabinessence sequence done when? (Are verse vocals def. from 68?) on: February 14, 2017, 03:28:17 PM
*grabs popcorn*
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Cabinessence sequence done when? (Are verse vocals def. from 68?) on: February 14, 2017, 03:25:55 PM
Fellow Smile-ologists; is it unanimously agreed upon that- in fact- the December 16th, 1966 recording of "Surf's Up" is indeed a demo?
Also; a further inquiry—if sectional-overdubs for "Part 2" of "Surf's Up" were indeed recorded on top of Brian's "demo," wouldn't Brian have made an acetate of this recording?
My memory now drifts back—recalling what Siegel had written concerning "Surf's Up,"- noting that Brian played him an acetate-recording of this particular song... but was this merely an acetate recording of the December 16th "demo" or something entirely different?
To ensue further—are some-; or all(!)- of the alleged "missing" Smile-recordings are on acetate-records; since the tapes are lost(?)? We are aware of Brian's habit of cutting acetates of his Smile recordings, so the possibility isn't ruled out—is it?
87  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles on: February 08, 2017, 05:35:13 PM
Have you all listened to the mono mixes?
88  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Being For The Benefit Of Mister Kite— a new stereo mix on: January 31, 2017, 08:26:42 AM
I have never liked this song, the only song from this album I dislike. But this mix brings out the elements I love about this song - the bass playing is really all over the place and it deserves to be heard! And Lennon's voice, though it moves around it's so much crisper than what is heard on the record.

I do agree that the vocal panning makes me feel almost dizzy, but I also think it needs the movement. Perhaps just don't make the movement so harsh? Any other songs from Sgt Pepper you plan on working on? Or have worked on?

Great work and I look forward to hearing more!

And if it is of some help, I've done Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds, and am working on Getting Better.

The video for Lucy would be: https://vimeo.com/198778568
Same password still applies
89  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Being For The Benefit Of Mister Kite— a new stereo mix on: January 31, 2017, 08:24:20 AM
I have never liked this song, the only song from this album I dislike. But this mix brings out the elements I love about this song - the bass playing is really all over the place and it deserves to be heard! And Lennon's voice, though it moves around it's so much crisper than what is heard on the record.

I do agree that the vocal panning makes me feel almost dizzy, but I also think it needs the movement. Perhaps just don't make the movement so harsh? Any other songs from Sgt Pepper you plan on working on? Or have worked on?

Great work and I look forward to hearing more!

Thanks! The panning was me trying to visualize Lennon walking around Mr. Kite's parade, if you will. I might limit narrow the panning next time!
90  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Being For The Benefit Of Mister Kite— a new stereo mix on: January 30, 2017, 06:41:58 PM
It was pretty good. But 2 things:

1. Lennon's vocals sounded a little too much "in the background."
2. It is VERY distracting having the focus of the vocals and some other stuff keep gravitating back and forth between the left and right speakers. It makes me dizzy listening to it.

Regarding both of these propositions (they correlate)— I was trying to go for a whimsical stereo-panning effect on the vocals and organs. (That must contribute to why Lennon's voice might sound like it's in the background... to me— Lennon's voice is quite loud here). Thanks for such valuable, suggestive and constructive advice!
91  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Being For The Benefit Of Mister Kite— a new stereo mix on: January 27, 2017, 07:31:04 PM
I like the mix. The bass is a bit more upfront. Seems like it lost a bit of it's psychedelic qualities. Was that intentional?

No, not really. I guess it sounds less psychedelic because it's clearer(?)... I'd like to think so... is there anything specific you are describing? (I think wearing stereo-headphones would very much help)
92  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Being For The Benefit Of Mister Kite— a new stereo mix on: January 25, 2017, 07:21:29 PM
password: ItWas50YearsAgoToday

https://vimeo.com/201054230

Enjoy! And let me know what you make of it!
93  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds — a new stereo mix on: January 10, 2017, 03:19:58 PM
This my own stereo mix of Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds, created using digital multitrack stems.

https://vimeo.com/198778568

Password: ItWas50YearsAgoToday

My intent was to make it sound like the mono mix of Lucy, but also to be unique, while staying true to what was intended in 1967.
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos Of Mike Love You Can Find on: January 02, 2017, 12:44:01 PM
here's a weird photo of me with Mike Love



"Auto-pen? Never heard of it".

Photographer: "God dammit, Mike! Don't you dare start singing tha-"
Mike: "I HAVE A PEN! I HAVE AN APPLE!"

Fan: "Should've brought along some pencils..."
95  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Rock Band multitracks of \ on: January 02, 2017, 12:38:45 PM
 Please?
96  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Rock Band multitracks of \ on: January 01, 2017, 11:52:07 AM
You could reach me at my email, if you want
97  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Rock Band multitracks of \ on: December 31, 2016, 05:00:55 PM
Can anyone help me?
98  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / The Rock Band multitracks of "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" on: December 31, 2016, 02:29:00 PM
With six months approaching; I am preparing to remix The Beatles' seminal studio effort: "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band," utilizing new stereophonic-technology— but in order to do so; I must be able to work with the multitracks through a digital-medium— and it is of my understanding that the Rock Band multitracks allow me to do so. Is anyone kind enough to share me those multitrack files through G-Drive?
99  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Van Dyke Parks write all of the lyrics on Smile? on: December 31, 2016, 10:00:51 AM
It's not just Dom, but the 2005 book was where Parks claims that the Beatles had secretly heard SMILE tracks-in-progress.

W-what?! Are you sure that Mr. Parks claimed this?
100  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Petition beach boys NOT to play at Trumps inauguration on: December 24, 2016, 08:21:17 AM
Is it wrong for me to suppose that this is getting kind of idiotic? Undecided By that— of course— I mean; let's not affiliate politics with music that we enjoy; because people are being more torn apart from one another.
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