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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's Hand in Vocal Arrangements on: March 28, 2017, 11:23:15 PM
Completely off-topic, but I was interested in this quote from that Carl interview:
And yet, I don't mind if [Brian] doesn't make any more music. That's fine with me. I don't care if he makes hits or not. My interest in Brian is that I love him as a human being and as a brother, as I love all my family. I want him to have some joy and satisfaction in life, and he's not getting that. I'm not discouraging him by any means, but the main thing is that he have a nurturing, loving life. That's all that matters anyway.<<<

It pleased me to read that, that's all.
There's another quote in there that's quite prophetic: "We could make a good commercial album with an outside producer, but if you're talking Good Vibrations quality, you're talking us with Brian." Of course they did make a good commercial album in 1985 with Steve Levine.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Looking back on Brian's best studio recordings of the last decade on: March 28, 2017, 11:21:14 PM
I think OCA, the song and the album, were both pretty much perfect!  Always loved the Gershwin instrumental at the end, seems a proper coda for the album, given its two progenitors....
Absolutely! Sure would love to hear the outtakes from the sessions.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love You Re-Appreciation Thread #1: Introduction on: March 28, 2017, 11:19:12 PM
I will never get people's obsession with this album. I'm not one of those who consider Pacific Ocean Blue a masterpiece, but it is much, much better than this trainwreck. Dennis' album is the work of a mature artist; LY is the creation of a child. BTW, I used to think the full title of the album was "The Beach Boys Love You", but I always see it referred to now as just "Love You", so which is it?

you probably think the wall is a masterpiece too  Roll Eyes
No, actually, I hate it! Most overrated double album in history!
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Looking back on Brian's best studio recordings of the last decade on: March 27, 2017, 11:36:58 PM
Van Dyke's voice is really bad. OCA is well off with Brian.
Yes. Love the "wall of Brian's" on that album. And Van Dyke wrote some lovely melodies for that album. They are quite challenging songs to sing - yes, I do sing along with that album.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Would Mike Love Be A More Prolific Writer As A Beach Boy? on: March 27, 2017, 11:34:19 PM
I don't think Mike has any great desire to record a full album anymore. He's fine with just releasing the occasional song online, i'm sure he knows that a Mike Love album is not going to be a big seller in 2017. Brian's albums usually have decent first week sales, then drop off the charts very fast. But if Mike is serious about releasing a solo album, the best bet would to self-release it and sell it at Beach Boys concerts. It would probably sell pretty well as a souvenir at shows. Maybe he could put out a comp, a sort of best of, going back to his first solo recordings in the 70's, all the way up to the present.
I wonder if Al will ever do another album?
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love You Re-Appreciation Thread #1: Introduction on: March 27, 2017, 11:27:53 PM
I will never get people's obsession with this album. I'm not one of those who consider Pacific Ocean Blue a masterpiece, but it is much, much better than this trainwreck. Dennis' album is the work of a mature artist; LY is the creation of a child. BTW, I used to think the full title of the album was "The Beach Boys Love You", but I always see it referred to now as just "Love You", so which is it?
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Looking back on Brian's best studio recordings of the last decade on: March 23, 2017, 09:46:04 PM
Back in 1995, it was difficult for me to get into "Orange Crate Art" that much. But in the last 5-10 years, I've grown to dig it a lot more. It's not perfect. But I like it, and I like that it's only 50% Brian-esque and has Brian singing on stuff that otherwise isn't precisely like what he would do on his own. Yes, VDP's arrangements are sometimes too ornate and the arrangement/production at times sounds a bit, I don't know what to call it, like 5% of the way towards elevator music?

But the songs, the compositions themselves, are mostly quite good, and I think Brian's arrangements and vocal performances are great. Great vocal stacks, even with some technological help (still sounds better than modern-day autotuning). As f**ked up as Brian may have still been only a few years removed from the Landy situation, and yet he still knocks out the arrangement and vocals on something like "San Francisco" that probably nobody else much on this planet could have done just like that.

I still laugh just a bit to myself thinking of the one story of someone back circa 1995 yelling out to Mike at a BB show to do "Orange Crate Art." That makes me laugh for some reason.
It took me a few listens to get into OCA, I guess I was expecting something similar to the 1988 solo album. But after a few listens, it hit me, knocked me out. Thought Brian's vocals were very impressive. And one story about the album always makes me laugh, when Brian asked Van Dyke "why am I singing on this album?" and Van Dyke replied "because I hate the sound of my own voice!"  LOL
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Looking back on Brian's best studio recordings of the last decade on: March 23, 2017, 09:42:39 PM
I really like Hold Back Time, go figure! A fun hooky song with some dazzling wordplay from Van.


I do like the song, just wish the vocals were a bit more together. Or maybe they wanted it to sound the way it turned out, two singers singing not always together.
9  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Chuck Berry has died. on: March 23, 2017, 09:38:03 PM
I wanted to post again about Chuck, even though I already did, because I don't feel like it was enough. This is having a bigger impact on me than I ever thought it would. Simply put, the man is directly and indirectly responsible of 99% of the music that has made a huge impact on my life. People call Elvis the "King of Rock & Roll". Nope. Chuck Berry was the king of Rock & Roll. The style of music that would come to be known as Rock & Roll was already taking shape, but Chuck solidified the art form. He was one of the earlier Rock & Roll musicians to write his own words and music. And what a writer he was. "It was a teenage wedding and the old folks wished them well. "It was clear that Pierre did truly love the mademoiselle". Dear God, that is genius! Who would ever think to rhyme the words "wished them well" with "mademoiselle"? I remember a quote from Bruce Springsteen regarding a verse from the song Nadine that goes "I saw her from the corner when she turned and doubled back, and started walkin' toward a coffee colored Cadillac". He said "I've never seen a coffee colored Cadillac, but I know exactly what one looks like!". That sums up Chuck as a lyricist to me. Chuck's words painted a picture that you could clearly visualize in your head. Johnny B Goode is probably the first "local boy done good" guitar hero story.
I don't think it's possible to overstate how great he was. The guitar playing, the lyrics, even the way he sang them. He knew how to phrase what he was singing for maximum impact. And as a live performer - when he had the right musicians behind him - he was hard to beat. He knew how to work a crowd, give them what they want, a lot of charisma and charm.
Amen. I agree with every single thing you said. Seriously, I don't think people realise the enormity of losing Chuck Berry. Maybe some of the older musicians like Paul McCartney or really any surviving member of a band from the "British Invasion". But the majority of people today have no idea who Chuck Berry is, and that's a damn crime. People like Chuck(and Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino Bo Diddly, etc) should be taught in school. People don't appreciate what Chuck meant, and continues to mean, to modern day music.
PBS had a really nice special about Fats  acouple years ago; great introduction for those just learning about his music. For Chuck, the go to film is always going to be "Hail! Hail! Rock 'N' Roll" from 1987. They got just about everything you could want to know about the man in that film, and he had the best musicians possible (including Johnny Johnson) backing up him. I wish someone had done something similar with Little Richard while he was still performing, but there is a lot of footage of him out there, so a definitive biofilm could still be made. The mainstream media today is still so much in love with the rock artists of the 60's - Dylan, McCartney, Stones, etc - there is always something to report - a new album, new tour, new release of archive material. The music business turned into a multi-million dollar business during their peak years, somehow the 50's stars were overshadowed by their students.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Looking back on Brian's best studio recordings of the last decade on: March 22, 2017, 11:08:24 PM
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Orange Crate Art Ė I want to like this album. It was such a great concept and on the first listen the songs struck me as the type that I could spend a while getting to know. But I didnít put the time in because Brianís vocals distracted me. Iíll go back to it eventually. I definitely feel like this album as the potential to grow on me when I get past the vocals.

Doesn't help that after the best song ("San Francisco"), the album COMPLETELY falls off the rails.

Yeah, I do seem to remember that during the first time I heard OCA I felt like I was all "let's just see what comes next" and then I just wanted off the OCA cart after a certain point  LOL.  Just gave it it another listen and youíre right, thatís where the wheels come off indeed.  I will say that Sail Away and San Francisco are both really great songs. They got lost among the weeds the first time around.
How can anyone not love Movies is Magic? I love the whole album, the one minor gripe being the poor harmonizing on Hold Back Time. I will take Brian's output from 1988-98 over most of what has come since. I hadn't listened to OCA or IJWMFTT in a long time, put them on last winter, and kept going back to them. BW88 will always be special to me, being Brian's first solo album after many years of rumours; Imagination is just a nice listen.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Americas Band video on: March 20, 2017, 02:57:55 PM
Maybe they should use that name - "America's Band". They could even follow through on what it implies, and back up Gerry Beckley and Dewey Bunnell.
12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Happy birthday Chuck Berry! + new album on: March 20, 2017, 02:49:44 PM
The last album he did, Rockit, 1979, was pretty good. The songs were good, but the production felt a little too smooth or polished, but that's how a lot of music sounded in 1979. I've been hearing talk of a new album from him since the summer of 1985, when USA Today had a feature story on him. Every few years, the rumour would resurface. Glad it is finally coming out.
13  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Chuck Berry has died. on: March 20, 2017, 02:47:39 PM
I wanted to post again about Chuck, even though I already did, because I don't feel like it was enough. This is having a bigger impact on me than I ever thought it would. Simply put, the man is directly and indirectly responsible of 99% of the music that has made a huge impact on my life. People call Elvis the "King of Rock & Roll". Nope. Chuck Berry was the king of Rock & Roll. The style of music that would come to be known as Rock & Roll was already taking shape, but Chuck solidified the art form. He was one of the earlier Rock & Roll musicians to write his own words and music. And what a writer he was. "It was a teenage wedding and the old folks wished them well. "It was clear that Pierre did truly love the mademoiselle". Dear God, that is genius! Who would ever think to rhyme the words "wished them well" with "mademoiselle"? I remember a quote from Bruce Springsteen regarding a verse from the song Nadine that goes "I saw her from the corner when she turned and doubled back, and started walkin' toward a coffee colored Cadillac". He said "I've never seen a coffee colored Cadillac, but I know exactly what one looks like!". That sums up Chuck as a lyricist to me. Chuck's words painted a picture that you could clearly visualize in your head. Johnny B Goode is probably the first "local boy done good" guitar hero story.
I don't think it's possible to overstate how great he was. The guitar playing, the lyrics, even the way he sang them. He knew how to phrase what he was singing for maximum impact. And as a live performer - when he had the right musicians behind him - he was hard to beat. He knew how to work a crowd, give them what they want, a lot of charisma and charm.
14  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Chuck Berry has died. on: March 20, 2017, 02:44:50 PM
The greatest concert I ever saw was 1995, Chuck Berry and Little Richard at the Puyallup Fair. Both still had it! Chuck opened and went through that great catalog of songs, had a great band backing him up, the love flowed from the stage to the crowd and back. Then Richard came out with his great band and rocked us again. Hard to top that. I've always wanted to be able to sing like Richard - I can't. Always wanted to play guitar like Chuck - well, i'm working on it.
Lucky! You're right that Little Richard is great singer. I dubbed him best rock'n'roll voice. 3D
Yes, even in 2002 - the last time I saw him - he sounded great. Love his piano playing, too.
15  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Chuck Berry has died. on: March 18, 2017, 09:09:01 PM
Today, we have lost not just a mere legend, but arguably one of the most important music figures of the 20th Century.

Chuck Berry was somebody who wasn't without controversy. But he was the man who perhaps more than anyone else shaped the burgeoning genre that is Rock & Roll, and may very well have been the single most influential musician and guitarist of the last 70 years.

To me and many others, Chuck was, is and always will be the King of Rock & Roll. He did more for the genre (musically, culturally, lyrically and its definition) than any other person - not to take anything away from the other giants of the genre, such as Little Richard, Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis. Although he was 90 years old, he remained active to the end, working on what would turn out to be his final album - and his first album since 1979.

So much has been said already about Chuck by so many, particularly from later rock icons that came in his wake, and who arguably owe Chuck with their careers. This is why there has been a great outpouring of grief not just from fans and music aficionados, but from all the famous professionals that were influenced by him. We have well and truly lost a musical titan.

In the top tier of rock and roll legends, we are now left with just Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis and Fats Domino. Appreciate them while they're still around.

But for now, we shall mourn Chuck Berry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XSaKQlBZuE

The greatest concert I ever saw was 1995, Chuck Berry and Little Richard at the Puyallup Fair. Both still had it! Chuck opened and went through that great catalog of songs, had a great band backing him up, the love flowed from the stage to the crowd and back. Then Richard came out with his great band and rocked us again. Hard to top that. I've always wanted to be able to sing like Richard - I can't. Always wanted to play guitar like Chuck - well, i'm working on it.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was Pet Sounds out of print? on: March 17, 2017, 07:17:32 PM
I've always liked cassettes as a convenient format to carry around with me; and in the old days, many of us recorded our albums onto cassette so as not to wear out the vinyl with overplaying. As for the new vinyl, the fad has worn off for me. Some of the pressings are bad, and the price keeps going up. 10 years ago, I could buy a new vinyl album for around $15. Now they are up around $25. Why spend that much when I can get the cd for around $10? I still buy vinyl, but it is mostly vintage vinyl. NM pressing of a lot of older albums are not hard to find, and I find that original pressing generally sound better than the new stuff. Of course it may cost you in some cases...and sometimes not. It helps that my tastes are eclectic, i'm not necessarily looking for the same records everyone else is. A couple weeks ago, I picked up good copies of several albums at a thrift store: Burton Cummings (solo debut), Hamilton, Joe Frank and Reynolds "Fallin' In Love", The Who "Who's Next", and "The Blue Ridge Rangers". Was very happy with my purchases.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Do you have anything signed by Carl? on: March 17, 2017, 06:56:50 PM
I had Carl sign his first album for me in June 1983, along with a flyer promoting the BB's 20th anniversary tv special - it aired that summer on our local PBS. I am so thankful I got to meet the man, would never part with either item.
And to this day, Carl and Brian are the only members I have met.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was Pet Sounds out of print? on: March 16, 2017, 09:24:09 PM
I've noticed lately that people are admitting to collecting cassettes. I was a late convert to cd, so I have some unusual cassette releases in my collection, including Ultimate Christmas, Summer in Paradise, Stars and Stripes, I Just Wasn't Made For These Times, Orange Crate Art, and Imagination. I've also got the 1972 CATP/PS release on a double play cassette.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Bizarre Songs - Create an Album on: March 16, 2017, 09:19:53 PM
These remind me of those weird GH comps from the late 1960s.

Just make sure to add Frosty The Snowman in the tracklist, directly after some psychedelic Smiley Smile tracks for full effect. And for a modern twist, after Frosty, be sure to add Summer of Love.
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20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: March 16, 2017, 09:17:33 PM
Tomorrow I go out and buy a Beach Boys compilation for the hell of it. Tucked inside the CD booklet is a golden ticket. I, along with 5 others, have been selected to go to a private viewing of Brian Wilson performing Love You in LA on April 11 of this year.

You arrive at Brian's house, you get ushered into a living room with stacks of speakers, tables full of cake and steak (all you can eat), and there is Brian in his black leather recliner getting ready for this momentous concert. Everyone sits down and Brian proceeds to tell the story about Love You; he talks about recording the demos, about him writing the lyrics and thinking of all the instrumentation. He sits there munching on a vanilla ice cream cake while telling you how excited the other guys were when they heard the demos. He has the biggest smile on his face. He finally gets up and sits down in front of a moog connected to all 70 speakers in the room. But it's so quiet you could hear a pin drop.

Then, the air in the room hums with deep vibrations from the moog, the bass is so deep you can feel it in your chest, and the drums sound like they're tearing through spacetime itself. And Brian bellows a deep "hey!" to kick off 'Let Us Go On This Way'

As you sit there eating a mouth watering steak while listening to music made by god himself, you realize that from this point on your life will never be the same. You realize that Love You is the greatest collection of songs ever assembled in the history of music. And if this happened to even the most ardent hater of Love You, this experience would make them realize that Love You is a gift from god, the greatest synth-symphony ever created by man.

I'd be thankful for the steak, and the rare opportunity to attend such an intimate performance.  And I think Brian's band might even be able to inject some life into some of the LY tracks, but I'd be patiently waiting to see if Brian does any other deep cuts after the LY portion of the show ends.

The only scheduled aftershow entertainment is a few drinks during a viewing of Mike's Rock and Roll hall of fame speech.

In all seriousness, it's not everyone's cup of tea, I can totally get that. I really like BB85 and I think most would scoff at such an admission Grin to each their own.

Actually, BB85 has really grown on me.  Having grown up during that 80s pop era probably helps.  But, I found myself listening to it quite a bit last summer.  In fact, it might be second only to TWGMTR in post Holland spins.
BB85 has some excellent Carl vocals, and the songs are mostly pretty good. LY, on the other hand, has some of the worst vocals the Boys ever committed to wax. And call me what you want, but I just can't get into a guy singing "pat, pat, pat her on her butt".
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs That Would Have Been Better With Different Lyrics on: March 15, 2017, 09:15:02 PM
I was listening to Take A Load of Your Feet the other day and it struck me to how catchy the song is, but how embarrassingly goofy the lyrics are. This is one example of a Beach Boys song that will sing along to in the car, but I would be embarrassed to be caught listening to by anyone. It does not have the same flair as other goofy songs Ė even ones like Lazy Lizzie and Hey Little Tomboy. The world's number one vocal group singing about feet? WTF?

Then I heard Bruceís Tears in The Morning, and that is another one where I love the music and the way the background vocals interact, but I am not a huge fan of the lyrics.

What are some of the Beach Boys songs that you would like a lot more if the lyrics were better?

I agree that Take a Load Off Your Feet's lyrics are embarrassing, but I can't find a damn thing wrong with the lyrics to Tears In the Morning.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was Pet Sounds out of print? on: March 15, 2017, 09:13:06 PM
When Carl is asked in that 1989 interview about PS, I believe the interviewer is referencing the first *CD* release of PS. It had already been released in Japan as of 1989, but didn't get the big main worldwide/US release on CD until 1990.

But I don't know if PS was completely out of print in 1989. I recall buying a brand new copy on cassette (just to have for portable listening) around 1987 or so.

I don't know when all of the Capitol stuff went out of print on vinyl in the 80s (or if it did), but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of that stuff stayed in print on cassette during the period of time after vinyl fell out of favor but before the CDs were released.
I'm sure it did. It was kind of a strange time for music collecting. I recall all the fuss made about the Beatles cd's being the British albums, but you could still buy the US albums on vinyl for a couple years after that, and on cassette for quite a long time, until cassettes finally were phased out.

Yep, unknown to many (especially with the buzz when Apple allowed release of the US albums in CD sets in the 2000s) is that Apple allowed the US albums to stay in print (complete with later era 90s Apple logos) on cassette for years after the UK CDs came out and the catalog was "standardized." I recall seeing "new old stock" of US albums (the cassettes had blue spines) into the late 90s at record stores.

Even weirder is that Apple allowed the unique Canadian albums (e.g. "Long Tall Sally", the Canadian album with the "Second Album" style cover) to stay in print on cassette in Canada into the 90s as well.

Back to the BBs: I have all sorts of weird cassette compilations, some (but not all) of which came from vinyl counterparts. My favorite is "Golden Harmonies", which includes the "Pet Sounds" instrumental....
I remember seeing those cassette comps; California (And Other) Girls was one I always saw at the drug store (with the cover of BB Rarities).
23  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: frankie valli on: March 14, 2017, 09:50:36 PM
The cast of Jersey Boys are doing a concert up here in the next month or so. Probably a better bet than seeing the man himself.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was Pet Sounds out of print? on: March 14, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
When Carl is asked in that 1989 interview about PS, I believe the interviewer is referencing the first *CD* release of PS. It had already been released in Japan as of 1989, but didn't get the big main worldwide/US release on CD until 1990.

But I don't know if PS was completely out of print in 1989. I recall buying a brand new copy on cassette (just to have for portable listening) around 1987 or so.

I don't know when all of the Capitol stuff went out of print on vinyl in the 80s (or if it did), but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of that stuff stayed in print on cassette during the period of time after vinyl fell out of favor but before the CDs were released.
I'm sure it did. It was kind of a strange time for music collecting. I recall all the fuss made about the Beatles cd's being the British albums, but you could still buy the US albums on vinyl for a couple years after that, and on cassette for quite a long time, until cassettes finally were phased out.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl Wilson /Myrna Smith songwriting demo tapes? on: March 14, 2017, 09:44:15 PM
Would also like to hear any Wilson/Bachman recordings. I enjoyed "This is Elvis" with Myrna singing. Interesting that it was first released as a Carl Wilson recording; now I see Spotify has correctly filed it under Myrna's name.
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