I'm guessing that Julia is not a fan of Brian Wilson solo.

I don't get the hatred for this album.  I really don't. Maybe Melinda was the catalyst for the teaming with Joe Thomas; so what? Melinda was the hero that rescued Brian from the clutches of the evil Dr. Landy. I think it's a great album. There aren't any tracks I have to skip over. A worthy followup to Orange Crate Art.

I remember there was a site (Ear Candy, I think it was) that had a parody page advertising a "Mike Love Presents Smile" back around the time that BWPS came out.

Yup!

I’m still waiting for Bruce Johnston Presents The Slim Shady LP…


except Bruce doesn’t “drop” the mic, he merely adjusts it

I DO think Mike should write new lyrics for Smile, record and release the album as Mike Love Presents Smile - everytime I see "BWPS" I think "Brian Wilson's Pet Sounds". For that matter, Mike could redo PS as well, make it more positive. "Caroline, Yes" for starters. "Wouldn't it Be Nice"? "It IS Nice"! "Heroes and Villains", of course, would become "Blondes and Brunettes". And in the interest of staying on top of things technology-wise (like Summer in Paradise atttempted to do), he could record the entire thing on an iphone with NO REAL MUSICIANS.

So is there a physical release for these songs or just online streaming/downloading?

I've heard Crumple Car already, that's not a new song per say, it's been around for at least 20+ years, maybe even longer. Its ok, nothing special.

I don't know what a crumple car is, but I used to have a band called Per Say. People would look at that and say "percy?"

I find it weird that we're discussing using Paley sessions stuff on a Beach Boys album, when it wasn't even deemed usable for what became Brian's next solo album, Imagination.

Really can't stand the host after the David Mark's "interview". Seems highly exploitative and unprofessional.

Enjoy it. I'll read the comments. Don't wish to support this guy.

Me, neither. I listed to both interviews with Marks, and that was too much.
Both the exploitive nature of the interview, and the host constantly begging for money.

I still don't get the hatred for this track. If it was a new Brian or Dennis track being unleashed, people would be praising it to the skies; but alas, it's one of those lesser Beach Boys.
I've got an idea for a compilation: "The Beach Boys' Greatest $#it", featuring songs from the solo albums of Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Carl Wilson. Gems like Pisces Brothers, Bright Lights, Waves of Love, and The Grammy.

If a Carl or Dennis collaborator, seemingly one who only wrote a few songs with either of them, then released a version of a song they wrote with Carl or Dennis where the lead vocal was either autotuned or otherwise processed into oblivion, mixed and arranged cheaply and poorly, if not possibly enhanced with A.I., all on the most mediocre song you could imagine, I would have no problem saying it sucks.

Indeed, the few scraps of Carl outtakes that have surfaced over the years have not been so great, such as that "This Is Elvis" song or that "You Oughta Know" demo.

"You Oughta Know"? Unfortunate title for a song.
"do you think of me when you fornicate with her" lol

I still don't get the hatred for this track. If it was a new Brian or Dennis track being unleashed, people would be praising it to the skies; but alas, it's one of those lesser Beach Boys.
I've got an idea for a compilation: "The Beach Boys' Greatest $#it", featuring songs from the solo albums of Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Carl Wilson. Gems like Pisces Brothers, Bright Lights, Waves of Love, and The Grammy.

I'm a huge CCR fan, but I have never owned a copy of Chronicle. I did buy Creedence Gold and More Creedence Gold years ago because they were cheap, but I have all the original studio albums, plus the two live albums released back in the day.

I don't think you're missing anything. Although Chronicle features the edited "Grapevine", I'm not sure if it is on the Gold compilations.

My father owned Chronicle on LP and I still have that copy. It was my introduction to everything CCR and I remember how amazing that picture of Fogerty on the front looked to me.

I do have a Collectables single of Grapevine, on orange vinyl. That recording always takes me back to when I was a drummer. I would put the album version on, and play along.

There is something special about CCR's "Grapevine". I mean the song itself is so great and I don't know if it's even possible to do a bad version of it but what CCR makes out of it is so totally different. It sounds like it's their song. Really cool. And I'm sure it's fun to drum along to it.

Yeah, it's a great one. Paul Revere and the Raiders did a version in the 80's that feels to me like a mashup of CCR's and Marvin's.

This is going to piss at least one of you off, but I bet Dae Lims could take this track and make it sound like a million bucks. (At the very least clean up the noise gate effect.)

I'm not pissed off or urinated cause I don't know who Dae Lims is.

I'm a huge CCR fan, but I have never owned a copy of Chronicle. I did buy Creedence Gold and More Creedence Gold years ago because they were cheap, but I have all the original studio albums, plus the two live albums released back in the day.

I don't think you're missing anything. Although Chronicle features the edited "Grapevine", I'm not sure if it is on the Gold compilations.

My father owned Chronicle on LP and I still have that copy. It was my introduction to everything CCR and I remember how amazing that picture of Fogerty on the front looked to me.

I do have a Collectables single of Grapevine, on orange vinyl. That recording always takes me back to when I was a drummer. I would put the album version on, and play along.

So Al's song is a tribute to Brian and Dennis? But not Carl?

Carl hadn't passed when it was written in tribute to Denny and Brian.

But it was just released...er...dropped NOW in 2024, so it feels like Al is overlooking the third Wilson brother.

So Al's song is a tribute to Brian and Dennis? But not Carl?

I'm a huge CCR fan, but I have never owned a copy of Chronicle. I did buy Creedence Gold and More Creedence Gold years ago because they were cheap, but I have all the original studio albums, plus the two live albums released back in the day.

Sounds like Jenny Clover is spots, more than Waves of Love to me. A nice little tune, but I'm not sure would have been able to sing in that range at times during the song w/o some sort of altered assistance.

"Wish I could have you back again" = "I'm running on the waves of love"

Same melody.

Arrangement wise "Wish" does sound like "Jenny Clover."

It's no coincidence that all three of these songs are Dvoskin "collaborations."

And I say "so what?"
How many times have the Beach Boys, including Brian...especially Brian...recycled old melodies?
I like this song. Maybe love it.
Thankful Al is still blessing us with new music.

I'd like to think I've mellowed over the years. And I'll say I agree with you on not caring about a recycled melody, especially as none of the above were hit songs. And yes, Brian definitely has definitely recycled many melodies. Also I'm super happy any of the guys are putting out new music.

However, you really think the production on this is good?

I've heard worse, much worse. My only complaint is the clarity of the vocal. It makes Al's voice sound kind of scratchy.

I absolutely love the copyright releases but loath the way the digital only releases are handled.  No announcements.  No rhyme or reason. 

Agreed.

Sounds like Jenny Clover is spots, more than Waves of Love to me. A nice little tune, but I'm not sure would have been able to sing in that range at times during the song w/o some sort of altered assistance.

"Wish I could have you back again" = "I'm running on the waves of love"

Same melody.

Arrangement wise "Wish" does sound like "Jenny Clover."

It's no coincidence that all three of these songs are Dvoskin "collaborations."

And I say "so what?"
How many times have the Beach Boys, including Brian...especially Brian...recycled old melodies?
I like this song. Maybe love it.
Thankful Al is still blessing us with new music.

I think it's a beautiful track. I love the lyrics, melody, and chords. For whatever reason it sounds nostalgic to me. I can definitely hear the vocal effects talked about above, but I'm still able to enjoy it.

I do think we're at the point with these guys where we probably don't have to sh*t on everything original these guys do. Al is 81 years old. The guy has every right to use auto-tune or a supposed cryptocurrency-AI-robot if he wants to in order to create the art he wants to create. And granted, we have every right to critique the art. But that being said, it's like if we were to critique an elderly professional painter's work because they used an iPad in their old age instead of real oil paints...yes you could critique it, but it's kind of a dick thing to do.

And no I'm not saying Al is some helpless old man putzing around the halls of a nursing home; but to keep things in perspective, he really is living in the latter years of his life, and he's just releasing some music for his fans...I doubt he's releasing this thinking he's going to blow up the Billboard top-40. Given how toxic this fandom is, I applaud Al for stepping out and releasing music in the face of what was clearly going to be a negative response (because whether it's Mike, Brian, or Al, we all have something negative to say about it).

And I realize that Al has the best voice of the remaining BBs and he should try to use it naturally. Well, none of us were in the recording studio with Al when he mixed this thing, so we have no idea what the reasons were for mixing it this way. Given the autotune on other Beach Boy related releases in the last decade, this is far from the worst I've heard.

Anywho, I honestly like the track, and it has a great vibe/atmosphere. Looking forward to his upcoming releases as well.

Exactly how I feel.

While we're at it, maybe even an expanded set of Carl's albums with some extras thrown in.  🤞🤞

2027 for Dennis, 2031 for Carl.

[The Drummer]

In 2010, a film about the last years of Dennis' life was announced to be in the works. It was called The Drummer and shooting was to begin in 2012. Aaron Eckhart was cast as Dennis, Vera Farmiga as Christine McVie and Chloë Grace Moretz as Shawn Marie Love. (Good casting, if you ask me...)
But later, Aaron Eckhart left the project, and the director / screenwriter / producer of the film, Randall Miller, went to jail due to criminal negligence after a woman died in an accident on a film he was shooting (Midnight Rider : The Gregg Allman Story). After that, The Drummer was never made, never heard of again.

I don't particularly like all those biopics (Bohemian Rhapsody and Back to Black are just awful), but The Drummer had potential and would have introduced Dennis to a whole new generation.

What I'd like to see, at least, is a good documentary about Carl's life. That would be a start. Carl's estate is sitting on a gold mine and they don't do anything with it. Carl should be considered one of the greatest singers of his (or any) generation, but I get the feeling that he's a little bit forgotten these days. It's not only sad, it's really unfair.  

It is unfair, but I'm sure people will say "Carl was such a private person, he wouldn't want all his dirty laundry out in the open". But doing a good documentary doesn't have involve digging into the dirt. And if they were to talk about his slide into substance abuse circa 1977/78, they can also point out that he cleaned up after the tour Down Under. They can discuss his battle with the draft board as testimony to Carl being a man of principle.

What I was saying before about the lack of motivation to do anything with Carl's work was pretty much implying that there is either laziness or a very odd conservative approach to cultivating Carl's legacy.

I don't like to assume, but there's also literally NO voice out there speaking for Carl or his work. There's nobody out there giving interviews talking about this stuff. There's no website. Nothing.

Now, it is Carl's sons that are essentially his "vote" at BRI, and so that *has* been a task that has involved some level of work or at least attention. I don't know how much they're involved beyond voting yay or nay. What we do know is that they've certainly not "rocked the boat" at BRI over the years, such that, when apparently one if the first if not the very first times Jonah and Justyn voted *against* Mike on any issue (BRI signing off on the "Love & Mercy" score/soundtrack), Mike made a bit stink about it in interviews.

But I really don't understand why there's ZERO out there from Carl's estate. They did a few charity events years ago, they did that "Best of" Carl CD that had solo and BB tracks on it a zillion years ago (You know how long ago that was? Brad Elliott wrote the liner notes.), but was a super short-run expensive item. I think they signed off on a super limited run Carl Rickenbacker as well, but I think even that was something in the works while Carl was still alive.

I'd argue there should be a Carl website and social media hubs, and they should be putting out albums of his demos, photo books, merch, etc, etc. But even if they didn't want to go that route, why not put out some Carl shirts and posters and raise more money for charity?

There is stuff the estate has, and/or could pursue, that would be worth releasing. Not too long ago a bit of a documentary surfaced on that creepy cult leader guy that headed that organization Carl was part of. I have no interest in watching that guy or organizaton, but plopped in the middle of that, excerpted on YouTube, is some great footage of Carl, including him singing a solo acoustic "I Wish For You" if I recall correctly.

That was such a tease. Put the entire performance out there!
This is why I often refer to Carl as the forgotten Beach Boy. The others all have someone keeping their image/memory/whatever out there.

Once again I gotta say that the Carl estate is so bizarrely non-existent when it comes to trying to do ANYTHING with his music/legacy. I'm not talking about any one specific track; I know "solo" stuff and "BRI" stuff can get sticky. But I'm pretty sure there are tons of Carl solo demos outside the purview of BRI that Carl's estate could have done something with. Release them as is, have someone (someone GOOD) overdub/finish them, etc.

There's no website with merch, no estate-programmed Spotify playlist, nothing.

I would imagine they feel his legacy is sufficiently served via Beach Boys releases/projects, but I think they should be working on Carl projects. A photo book. Something. Anything. I say this even knowing that it's possible a lot of his solo stuff is maybe slightly bland and akin to the "Beckley/Lamm/Wilson" stuff. That "You Oughta Know" solo Carl demo that was played awhile back sounded like a cross between BB '85 and the Beckley/Lamm/Wilson stuff. Not great, but not bad. But I'm sure they could put together a solid set of his stuff.

I love Carl's solo stuff, but you're right, the estate has done nothing. Didn't even offer any bonus tracks on the cd versions of his albums.

I’d love to think he’d put out a new album or EP or even a new single with a song he hasn’t released before. But I can’t see it. Nonetheless, my guess is that if it is a new album I’d expect it to have “Waves of Love”, “PT Cruiser”, “Loop de Loop” and maybe a version of “A California Saga” or something. And a new version of “Help Me Rhonda”? Probably.

I’m kidding. But yeah, at this point in time I feel we’d be lucky to hear his “Islands in the Sun” (which would be hilarious if it were based on “Islands in the Stream”) or “My Plane Leaves Tomorrow” (which Al apparently doesn’t even sing lead on).

He could sing "Islands in the Sun" with Dolly Parton.