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76  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds: Billboard 1966... A Broader Picture on: April 26, 2018, 12:39:21 PM
best of the beach boys vol. 1 came out in july '66 and did not contain Barbara Ann - that song was on Vol. 2 which was july '67 best of release

I believe brian really hated that capitol in effect made him compete directly with himself, new material album (pet sounds) vs. his old top 10 hits now altogether on one LP, which capitol decided to promote in ways that didn't happen w/ pet sounds.  After all, the old material was a proven success and as such didn't require extra promotional effort at all--the LP title says it all, whereas pet sounds might well benefit from such continued effort
77  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Media Narrative of Brian's creative collapse Post-SMiLE on: March 21, 2018, 12:26:16 PM
I don't think there can be realistic dispute that SMILEY SMILE, WILD HONEY, and finally FRIENDS all are Brian Wilson produced Beach Boys albums, practically speaking if not nominally, but.......they are albums he produced bending more to the groups expressed desires (if not directly the labels too) of things they did not want to do and preferred instead.  No he could no longer produce the 'self-indulgent' shall we say types of works SMiLE certainly was (going to be), or even on the level of PET SOUNDS for that matter.  He lost, or forfeited that type of total control with the implosion of SMiLE.  After that, what else could be done?  The rest of the bandmembers were not (yet) to the point of taking over production reigns even to partial extent (that began with 20/20 though there is Dennis' BE STILL earlier),  so of course they had Brian continuing to produce since Capitol needed to release new product.  Brians once very creative vanguard was reduced to instances he was 'granted permission' for, hence the decline in output

Edit:  even as I say Capitol needed to release new Beach Boys product, by then in fact they'd certainly realized the newfound value of old product with a Best of Vol. 3, a 3-record deluxe set repackaging, plus Stack-O-Tracks which is both new and old at the same time.  This no-brainer strategy covers all possible marketing bases
78  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Media Narrative of Brian's creative collapse Post-SMiLE on: March 20, 2018, 12:40:10 PM
questioned VanDyke's lyrics?  More like rebelled against them, causing him (VDP) to forfeit the project and all the time spent on it.  (I think that the classic Beach Boys historical primer has it that Parks left not once but twice).  Danny Hutton said that Brian told him then point blank he cannot fight Mike (about him continuing to produce an album for Redwood, not just a 45) and it's hardly a stretch to imagine Brian also telling Van that too.  Brian needed a lyricist but an ally just as much it seems, both lost needlessly because VanDykes lyrics were the edgy part of SMiLE (it took Mike a little while but he was to realize that)

"Edit Edit: By the way, I like what you said about Brian's creativity being fueled by his control of their records" - that's not 'rocket science' as they say
79  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Media Narrative of Brian's creative collapse Post-SMiLE on: March 20, 2018, 12:13:33 PM
don't be confused, genuine or otherwise - just remember the Redwood debacle
80  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Media Narrative of Brian's creative collapse Post-SMiLE on: March 20, 2018, 09:43:58 AM
Brian lost control, over the Beach Boys and their records, with the SMiLE implosion (implosion I think's the best term to describe those events then).  His creativity was fueled by that control, record after record leading up to SMiLE, and when the others (primarily Mike Love) began successfully over-riding his plans and decisions that dissipated his creative desires (it certainly took the 'edge' off them), a gradual decline over the next couple albums, until in effect the others could eventually say 'we don't need you anymore' to produce records
81  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Questions about the demise of Smile on: February 20, 2018, 07:07:05 AM
early in 1967 David Anderle convinced Brian to start the Brother Records label, and it was this new label that facilitated solo beach boys recording projects for dennis & carl
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Do you have any regrets? on: February 08, 2018, 12:01:34 PM
I've seen the boys perform many times over the years, though not before 1970

but a particular regret I can name is not buying the Friends LP when it was a contemporary release

I bought Pet Sounds, Stack/Tracks, Wild Honey albums all at their original releases but Friends did not attract me back then, and worse yet it came and went in the record store bins in the blink of an eye.  To add insult to injury the very last sighting of it I recall was in the 88 cents bins as capitol was clearing out all stock, and I still didn't give in.  A couple years later I acquired a british pressing of Friends (which small comfort was a high quality pressing of it compared to many US records I bought at the time) because they hadn't deleted it (yet) over there.

But bottom line I now would rather I could say I had enough beach boys sense even then to've bought the US Friends release first pass
83  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: February 02, 2018, 07:17:16 AM
you don't like the Beach Boys LOVE?
84  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: February 01, 2018, 02:13:21 PM
needless to say we're here to point up the humour evident in them, as applicable, which can be counted upon
85  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: February 01, 2018, 11:25:38 AM
"....featured on The Beach Boys Love album, marked...."

which of course pre-dates The Beatles Love album considerably
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Duophonic Pet Sounds created from orig. L.A. Mono Mix? Missing Artifacts... on: January 25, 2018, 07:57:02 AM
one might argue that a 3.75 ips true stereo recording tape is better than any 7.5 ips duophonic tape.  the point was of course that particular reel tape is the best possible old duophonic source

ZT 2458 is the capitol number for Pet Sounds reel tape @ 7.5 ips speed;  they later down-graded the speed on Pet Sounds to 3.75 ips and re-assigned number Y1T 2458.  the beatles revolver album on reel tape got speed down-graded by capitol from 7.5 to 3.75 in just the same fashion back then
87  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Duophonic Pet Sounds created from orig. L.A. Mono Mix? Missing Artifacts... on: January 24, 2018, 01:07:57 PM
this was the best duophonic original release of Pet Sounds album:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Beach-Boys-Pet-Sounds-4-Track-Reel-To-Reel-ZT-2458-rare/302609521714?hash=item4674eedc32:g:pQ8AAOSwmblZw~5c

the tape playing speed of this edition is 7-1/2 IPS, but later Capitol got cheap and re-issued it at the slower and inferior 3-3/4 IPS (which no longer qualifies as the best)

Capitol released a few other Beach Boys reel tapes then but not one other at 7-1/2 (just this P.S.)
88  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bad news for Bruce? on: January 11, 2018, 06:51:51 AM
"Seems like horrific events like this are happening with increasing frequency all over these days, with mudslides, fires, crazy powerful hurricanes, ect. Scary."

yes, but....pheww....at least no more global warming
89  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: California Music on: January 08, 2018, 08:53:03 AM
fortunately the old RCA WDFFIL? single is a stereo pressing

the lead vocal Gloria Grinell shares with Terry Melcher.  Brians' voice is very prominent in the BGV's

I've always liked it
90  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who was the most spiritual of the Beach Boys? on: December 13, 2017, 07:24:08 AM
mike love certainly got it wrong calling GOK about as religious as the beach boys get

that'd be Our Prayer (brian's smile composition & recording)
91  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does anyone inadvertently copy The BBs' stage presence/movements? on: December 12, 2017, 07:30:36 AM
I mimic Mike Love's various gestures from old '60s song live shows we see, but to mock him I deliberately scramble them (so they make no sense), as if Mike Love himself got them out of sequence with a lyric he was singing then.  You'd be interested at how well this works among the right company.  But I imagine others so inclined do similarly
92  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Have you ever heard a Beach Boys song in a different language? on: December 08, 2017, 06:48:20 AM
NO GO SHOWBOAT = J'AI PAS LE TEMPS

Petula Clark sang this on a French record, but the lyrics were re-written so they've nothing to do with cars (so a translation of the title will have no connection)

this one can be found easily enough on compilation CD's
93  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What are some great books detailing the recording of Pet Sounds and Smile? on: October 06, 2017, 06:56:25 AM
here's the (subject) book you want
the author (aforementioned)
together with the principals (one admittedly only on the bookcover photo)
altogether in one 2005 image (I love it)

http://www.sofein.com/mess/2005/images/3men.jpg
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The only negative review on Pet Sounds I can't stand... on: October 02, 2017, 08:09:15 AM
the most insipidly idiotic of them is that 'the melodies are not especially beautiful' - Caroline, No is exquisite

i'll use this opportunity to debunk an old even generally accepted remark about Pet Sounds "happy songs sell records, sad songs sell beer",  because I can think of many as I'm sure you can sad songs that made the chart top 10 (i'll allow Caroline No happens not to be one of them, since it was a 45)
95  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 22, 2017, 08:36:47 AM
there's about as much authenticity in this so-called reel session tape storage rack as Bruce Johnston's old remark about a beach boys album called The Fading Rock Group Revival

in other words a fan who kept 10-1/2" dia. reel tapes of beach boys albums decided to store them in a faux BRI session multi replica as a gag, pulling our legs with that photo a bit like bruce did with that goofy comment

mr. desper might bear me out in that the boxes there for those 10-1/2" dia. reels probably contain not the 1/2" width tape as I originally thought, but the much more consumer standard 1/4" width tape (with a pad piece for filler), my x-ray BS detector sniffs this out
96  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 22, 2017, 07:44:43 AM
it's rather faint but on there is a label for the aforementioned Bob Rolle as 'Robert D. Rolle'
97  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 21, 2017, 10:32:18 AM
the upper rack seems to be straight LP releases.  there're two concert ones and i'll assume one is live in London.  strange stack-o-tracks isn't represented there

the lower rack has the weirder titling i.e., one tape is add some music but there's another called sunflower (we know the historic reason for this).  but I maintain it doesn't have to make sense, a fan is just goofing around and creating intriguing though ultimately false tape appearances, having seen as I say a photo of the real mc-coy containing numerous odd (to us) titlings (among the familiar) a knowledgeable fan could guess at

98  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 21, 2017, 09:40:07 AM
off to the far left in that photo one can actually see a bit of commercial reel-to-reel tape releases (perhaps not beach boys, the label printing's just too small)

those boxes are for 10 inch diameter reels and are about double the thickness of the 1/4" tape boxes at the bottom so i'll say they hold 1/2" width tape.  1/2" blank tape on 10-1/2" reels is not a very common consumer recording format but it is/was out there

the question of why not buy the beach boy albums on commercially released pre-recorded tapes instead of a fan dubbing his own record albums onto the larger reel format need not be relevant.  those of us who had fancy reel recorders then did such things all the time (it didn't have to make any particular sense).  also, over the years the commercially available pre-recorded beach boy album tapes were quite scattershot in quality, the oldest ones on capitol being double-album pairings on one reel at the inferior 3-3/4 IPS speed (only pet sounds was a single 7-1/2 IPS release in 1966 and that was brief and hard to find).  The brother/reprise ones went back and forth between 3-3/4 and 7-1/2 speeds illogically (except from a tape cost standpoint) album to album title

my guess is what we're seeing here is a kind of fan beach boy tape library copycat open reel setup.  he'd seen some old private photographs (perhaps from Brian) and set out to create his own version of it from memory
99  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why has the song \ on: August 25, 2017, 06:50:52 AM
given the nature of this thread it would appear natural simply to retitle the song

ALMOST FORGOTTEN
100  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: August 24, 2017, 08:14:56 AM
the correct CD to listen to (late at night under candlelight) having just been identified for us (as if there's any doubt)

I will identify the correct Belgium craft beer that was alluded to - BROEJEL (a bock lager), chill well
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