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176  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did The Association fill the void left by The Beach Boys from 1967-68? on: November 18, 2015, 01:45:26 PM
The Association's 1st producer Curt Boettcher was "using the band's sound as his own creative plaything".  Hmmm, sounds like a power struggle to me.  He gave the group--then unknown on a rinky-dink label--2 chart topping hits (ACM & C)and what does that get him in the end?----Fired.  I've also read Associations members when queried about this in more recent years say they really don't remember why Curt was let go, except that they wanted to take a stab at producing their own sound just the way they wanted.  The resulting album was RENAISSAINCE with a beautiful lead single NO FAIR AT ALL which although a favorite of mine didn't give the same chart results as its predecessors (the band had nice flute solo's when other acts stuck with the tried and true guitar solo, which worked once but not repeatedly).  My own take on all this was the label VALIANT was about to be sold to Warner Bros. at that time and the late Mr. Boettcher didn't want to go along with the act on that point for reasons unknown
177  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Belles of Paris on: November 17, 2015, 07:12:06 AM
even though Dennis really trashes the M.I.U. album in later interviews I'm so glad nevertheless to hear his voice on MY DIANE.  and the way the melody of MD is subtly worked into the arrangement of STEVIE on the Caroline Now! tribute CD is the coolest of cool

that of all the BB tribute CD's is far and away the best in my strong opinion
178  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Belles of Paris on: November 16, 2015, 01:10:45 PM
BOP - what a dreck of a song

The MIU album does have solid winners, PITTER-PATTER my personal favorite followed closely by HEY, LITTLE TOMBOY.  Brians vocals on MATCHPOINT....LOVE and LITTLE GIRL....TONIGHT are excellent, plus everybody loves MY DIANE (don't they?).  I have fond memories of the scant couple times I heard PEGGY SUE over the local radio stations when it was offered as the lead single.  But the subject track offers absolutely nothing not worth skipping over when you play the L.P.
179  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Murry not crediting each other properly on: November 12, 2015, 06:42:34 PM
yes, but I also think Murry wanted to maintain a relationship at least as much.  if not production efforts, Brian liked it when Murry particularly dug one of his new compositions
180  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Murry not crediting each other properly on: November 12, 2015, 11:58:41 AM
those exact answers are unavailable, though the point already has been well-made that nominal producers have been so credited on records although their input apparently was less valuable than Murry's

Brian liked to have Murry around in the studio (apparently even after his firing, or should I say dismissal) but as he grew he liked it less and less.  Nothing terribly outrageous there.

Other artists that Brian produced then did not have hits as good as those recordings were, unfortunate but unfortunately also a telling point.  Because Murry was omitted from the recording process of those I wouldn't go so far as to say

modifying my post (due to an intervening one), call it a firm belief if you want but I'd say Murry never sought any formal production credit even if his input approached the 50/50 threshold (on this song or that)
181  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Murry not crediting each other properly on: November 12, 2015, 11:07:31 AM
I suppose I s/b flattered my informed outlook is considered by someone intimate, but I assure you it can be gleaned otherwise
182  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Murry not crediting each other properly on: November 12, 2015, 10:50:30 AM
in the Made In California booklet Murry is in fact given producer credit there on the early recordings, like '409' (his name was not on the original Capitol 409 45)

Murry's studio abilities were lacking, but Brian's abilities initially were only in vocal arrangements (where he blew everyone else out of the water) and songwriting (to a degree).  They worked as a team (Murry & Brian) in the studio initially until Brian got the chops to do all things a producer should do himself (at which point Murry was fired, an inelegant exit but perhaps gradual was not Brian's way).  Brian was less than articulate for a time so Murry 'helped' fill the silence with his paternal comments welcome or not

183  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Murry not crediting each other properly on: November 12, 2015, 09:20:48 AM
there's contention that on the early recordings Murry could've claimed co-producer credit--that's the issue of this topic discussion--if he'd wanted to assert himself there.  Brian was a neophyte and Murry had to facilitate his sons' songwriting & recording desires insofar as possible.  Although things changed before too long Brian was more comfortable having Murry at the sessions too,  so his input may or may not've warranted co-producer credit sometimes.  Fortunately I think, he didn't pursue this.  Murry agreed that recording at studios completely of their own choosing (instead of @ Capitol) was beneficial as it gave them unique control of the final recorded product--provided Capitol footed the bill (the spectre hanging over Murry's head was getting the session bills forwarded to him for SOT to pay).  If Murry had lost and recording returned to Capitol's studios then we'd almost certainly see nothing but albums with 1 hit single plus 10 filler tracks--the usual formula then.  
184  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Murry not crediting each other properly on: November 12, 2015, 08:14:15 AM
Nick Venet told Murry the label would no longer pay for anymore sessions outside of Capitol's own studios, so Murry made a deal with Nick contingent on the chart performance of the very next 45 - Little Deuce Coupe (which was recorded outside).  If it went top 10 Nick would back-off and pay for the session, if it did not make top 10 Murry would have to get Brian to return to Capitol's studios (because in the final analysis it'd be Murry who'd have to foot the recording bill out of publishing royalties).  Murry won and Nick didn't bring up the subject again (or at least for another 4 years, at which time Murry was no longer involved in those matters).

Why Brian Wilson & Murry Wilson didn't have co-producer credits on the record labels - because simply it'd look stupid.  Murry knew this intuitively
185  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How much money have BB co-songwriters earned? on: November 10, 2015, 09:53:49 AM
Tony Asher rattled off a figure--don't recall what exactly it was except it seemed a paltry amount (if accurate) to me--years ago that was probably in the Gaines HEROES & VILLAINS book, of what aggregate amount his Pet Sounds album lyrics profited him over the years

of course that was years ago and with the increased pet sounds song and release activity since then his frown may've been turned upside-down
186  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top Five Favorite Beach Boy Tunes on: November 05, 2015, 10:49:07 AM
little girl I once knew
all this is that
all dressed up for school
Marcella (the same only different)
she knows me too well
187  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sunny Down Snuff and Stand or Fall recording dates on: November 04, 2015, 06:56:02 AM
'in those olden days' physical tape splices were professional SOP, all recording studio engineers were well practiced in the art of making a deft tape splice on the standard splicing block hardware.  one might speculate it came as a natural outgrowth of acetate-based tape (pre-mylar) which occasionally broke anyway (accidentally without intent ) and the necessitated repair job to keep takes from being lost or compromised.  in the manual splicing procedure sometimes an additional tool played an assistive role--a liquid suspension aerosol sprayed on the tape such as one then marketed under the trade name 'Magna-See" (I believe that was 3M's product, but there were others as it was a simple formula).  It evaporated quickly and harmed nothing (except for a little clean-up perhaps) but for several seconds time it allowed a visual appearance of the recorded tape wave-forms on the tracks.  So the engineer could visually see where the best exact spot to cut the tape might be.  The professional machines were not built with a 'pause' control button like consumer got accustomed to and made their edits with (I suppose there might be pro models that did have one but they're in the minority and definitely not utilized for such purposes)
188  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS’ PARTY! Uncovered and Unplugged on: October 23, 2015, 12:56:32 PM
nothing to be sorry about.  That ('Al Jardine') voice's Dean's
189  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS’ PARTY! Uncovered and Unplugged on: October 22, 2015, 01:18:17 PM
couldn't disagree more, it was apparent to me that voice's Deans without guessing upon first hearing (I saw Jan & Dean at shows going way back too).  remember Dean had to adopt a guise since he was forbidden to sing on competitors records like the Beach Boys, so just appropriating Al's role in the script makes sense in addition to the comic aspect.  (put another way, it is just the same voice as every time I've heard Dean speak during some dialogue included on a CD, and bears no resemblance to anytime I've ever heard Carl speak likewise).  Al comes in not as himself of course but goofing under another (phoney) name a moment later in the dialogue
190  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS’ PARTY! Uncovered and Unplugged on: October 22, 2015, 11:08:26 AM
".sure sounds like Carl to me saying, "Hi, this is Alan Jardine, and this scene takes place at a typical Beach Boys party" or something to that effect.

yeah, its carl mocking jardine's bit on cassius love vs sunny wilson. I doubt dean would have remembered that obscure reference, but he is a weird guy...
"

no it's Dean Torrence, reading from a prepared script so there's no need for him to remember an obscure reference.  the voice is unmistakeable from hearing him shoot the breeze on various Jan & Dean compilations
191  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Specifics on Brian's extraction from Landy on: October 21, 2015, 01:28:49 PM
crumbiest online dictionary fer sure
192  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS’ PARTY! Uncovered and Unplugged on: October 21, 2015, 09:23:23 AM
right, my (name) mis-spelling (there's just so close, geographically)
193  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS’ PARTY! Uncovered and Unplugged on: October 20, 2015, 01:29:35 PM
"....Carl identifying himself as Al, saying something like, "hi this is Al Jardine...."

I'd know Dean Torrance's speaking voice anywhere and that's definitely him, not Carl and certainly not Al.  As for Brian's voice, he's the one saying "that's MY door".  Regardless, that spontaneous ridiculing of the script really bowls me over (ROTFL as they say), and if they came up with a new double disc primarily of old material just like that, well, they could pretty much skip the filler songs IMO

as for who said "you brought the records" I wasn't able to pinpoint w/ certainty since the voice is such a caracature, though I might've offered it was Dennis since it's spoken w/ so much gusto
194  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: October 20, 2015, 09:26:22 AM
those shirts both Brian & Mike're wearing could double as focus test patterns in some technical jurisdictions.  certainly breaks up the visual monotony
195  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS’ PARTY! Uncovered and Unplugged on: October 20, 2015, 07:43:02 AM
Listening to that scripted dialogue on the Made In California boxed-set from the party sessions--Dean Torrence identifying himself as Al Jardine, Dennis' mechanical "Come In" reply to the knocking sound effect, plus "Hey Dave, YOU BROUGHT THE RECORDS!" are all positively a scream to me.  Give me more of that hilarious nonsense
196  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Specifics on Brian's extraction from Landy on: October 19, 2015, 09:33:10 AM
crummy is correctly spelled crumby
197  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Specifics on Brian's extraction from Landy on: October 15, 2015, 11:48:55 AM
the Beach Boys song with the weightiest Landy songwriting credit (IMO) MALE EGO seems to've been lost over the years, perhaps as a result of these legal proceedings
198  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Wooden Spoons on: October 13, 2015, 02:05:36 PM
LITTLE DEW SCOOP

KNARLIN'

ALL THIS IS SAP
199  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: October 05, 2015, 08:30:10 AM
no, I say nobody's got the reading of that lyric line right yet -

"OUT DOIN' IN MY HEAD"  means the guy has been trying to 'out-do' her put-down of him, mentally of course.  Think of a good come-back line, top her in other words (preparing of their next encounter)
200  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Now \ on: September 18, 2015, 12:45:26 PM
on MIC the new (2012) true stereo WILD HONEY mix pretty much suppresses the sharply up-front tambourine shakes/slaps from the original mono 45
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