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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al's show in Florida cancelled! on: August 15, 2019, 07:12:41 AM
regarding Carls age when he sang God Only Knows, there could be a spontaneous audience debate, I suppose (that'd make even Al reticent)

because the simple birth-session years don't tell the story so accurately

Carl was 19 years 4 months old, having been born in December of '46, with the GOK sessions completed in april '66
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Favorite Beach Boys Moments on: August 14, 2019, 01:17:52 PM
in the 'water-chant' section of Cool,Cool, Water where the vocals are random and scat there's a moment when Carls voice just soars right out of nowhere, i'll listen to that song repeatedly focusing on that beautiful sound (among all the other beautiful sounds)
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Quentin Tarantino Prepping New Movie Tackling Manson Murders on: August 07, 2019, 08:15:57 AM
Stones OUT OF TIME from their 1967 'Flowers' catch-all L.P.  That was a song they gave to Chris Farlowe

critics say the movie doesn't have a plot, they'll never get it.  It worked just terrifically for me as a fairy-tale, justifying its title

John Dykstra (yes THE John Dykstra) did the special effects, like when Bruce Lee left an indelible impression on a car door
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: July 24, 2019, 08:49:04 AM
I forgot in my earlier post describing the tre movie "Charlie Says"  that the composer credit for the music heard in the soundtrack is.....Andy Paley
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: July 24, 2019, 08:43:13 AM
if one listens to (Brians production of) WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE? by California Music (mid-'70s) where Terry Melcher sings the line "Get back, Loretta" you'll understand the same voice heard on SNJ

HEY LITTLE COBRA was just brought up (because Terry sings on it) and that's a song when it comes on an oldies station I can't resist singing along with, the inane hot rod lyrics are such a joyous challenge (to remember extemporaneously), "The stingrays and jags are so far behind I took my cobra out of gear and let it coast to the line".  Then I burst into laughter, foolish fun
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: July 24, 2019, 07:31:37 AM
on SNJ there's obvious difference between Carl singing "This call is probably mine" and the lines Terry sings.  I really like the way Al comes in later with "And now she's trippin' on some Chinese junk"
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: July 24, 2019, 06:55:31 AM
"I had no idea about this. Can you point out any specific examples/timecodes of Terry's voice in SNJ? "

the two lines in SOMEWHERE NEAR JAPAN that Terry Melcher sings himself are "My engine's all burnt out, my crew has all...."

his voice has this kind of a tenor howling quality to it, not exactly nasal, for lack of a better way to describe.  once you realize it you'll notice it all over PR & Raiders records background vocals, and IMO it worked terrifically together w/ Mark Lindsay

the very first time I played Still Cruisin' when CD came out I said to myself "What is Terry Melcher doing singing verse on a Beach Boys recording?", his voice always jumps out at me.  Then I looked and realized he produced SNJ

In the new movie "CHARLIE SAYS"  Terry Melcher (and Dennis) are portrayed.  They are both there (somewhat briefly) not because they add anything substantial to the story the movie wants to tell (which is the girls of mansons family imprisoned in solitary confinement are still spouting his insane apocalyptic blather even years afterwards, prefaced by "Charlie says.....", and their treatment), but because the association with the famous was a turning point for Manson and can't be written out.  BTW the film is excellent IMO and even contains a surprise ending, something that'd be impossible for anyone who reads up on the horrible Manson story
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: July 23, 2019, 08:46:13 AM
the very last things Terry produced for PR & Raiders were their Christmas album (Past & Present, on which you can hear him sing a lot) and then finally the 45 version of PEACE OF MIND

Then the Mark & Terry relationship was severed (Mark produced himself the next 45's CINDERELLA SUNSHINE & TOO MUCH TALK, with the Goin' To Memphis album being handled by Chips Moman), and the following void for Terry somehow got filled with increased association w/ Dennis, plus interest in Charles Manson both songs and as a possible recording artist (1968)
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: July 23, 2019, 08:02:54 AM
Terry Melcher sang lead vocal on Bruce & Terry's (previously unreleased 45) recording of HELP ME, RHONDA.  The old story has it that Brian told Terry the Beach Boys were going to re-record it as a single (at that point only the album HMR version was done) and he'd prefer B&T scrap their plans to do the same then, which Terry complied.  You can hear this unreleased recording on a recent CD compilation for B&T, where Terry clearly sings the opening song line as "Well since she put me down I went out to relieve my head"

On SOMEWHERE NEAR JAPAN Terry sings a few lines too.  His voice is unmistakable, the same voice one hears singing along with Mark Lindsay on a number of Paul Revere & Raiders tunes which he of course produced
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Honkin' Down the Highway Single/LOVE YOU Marketing on: July 19, 2019, 08:38:14 AM
Mike Love's offense has a double thrust - #1 to get Brian off of Redwood time and onto the Beach Boys album production.  #2 came next, when he heard the recorded DARLIN' track (for Redwood) and realizing how good it was and wanting it back for the Beach Boys

those two things although separate motives were joined (and accomplished unfortunately) when he led the way in halting further Redwood recording.  Despite the DARLIN' title lyric having inspired Brian from Danny Hutton's conversational jargon
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Honkin' Down the Highway Single/LOVE YOU Marketing on: July 18, 2019, 09:25:22 AM
DARLIN' was commandeered by Mike from a planned/produced Redwood single into a Beach Boys product.  The exact same thing doesn't necessarily apply to TIME TO GET ALONE

No doubt Brian did not foresee an issue coming with DARLIN' since the melody was already appropriated from an earlier outside production THINKING 'BOUT YOU BABY for Sharon Marie which came out as a Brian produced Capitol 45 a couple years year.  Ironically Sharon Marie (Esparza) was a girlfriend of Mike's then (i.e., it's OK for Brian to give away a song they composed to an outsider as long as it's one of Mike's girls LOL)

Redwood vocals were recorded for both songs but the ones for DARLIN' were erased, presumably forever, when the Beach Boys replaced them.  TIME TO GET ALONE was to be the Redwood B-side and their vocals weren't immediately erased since the song was not a Beach Boys priority like DARLIN' was. With the loss of DARLIN' as their entry onto Brother records Redwood abandoned their association (supposedly they really wanted a full album of songs, not just a 45, and Mike told Danny Hutton that Brian simply doesn't have time for that production), and TTGA as a Redwood product finished or otherwise was left behind.  The Redwood TTGA vocals can be found today on a Three Dog Night anthology CD.  Later on of course the Beach Boys needing Brian produced material for 20/20 album used that Redwood backing track for new vocals

12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: April 03, 2019, 06:38:32 AM
the speeding up of CN was most probably done at the time for the 45 single release, in other words that's what Murry & Capitol felt was necessary if a Brian Wilson solo record was going to have the best radio play chance

the speed change was merely carried over when it was placed on the PS album now as a group effort
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BBs members sharing outfits on: March 26, 2019, 09:59:29 AM
the early striped shirt period has already been mentioned, but don't forget the earlier (and obvious) woolen Pendleton shirt time, circa surfin safari
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: why are songs repeated on the early albums, ie. \ on: March 22, 2019, 07:21:53 AM
their fans, if not the record buying public in general, are entitled to value-for-money when buying a new 45 not the same old flip-side that it seems a joke.  we got love was mastered but not released at that time which could've been the flip to child of winter instead of SC


"It is when music publishers and record companies make the effort to seize upon or create opportunities for their copyrights."


still sounds like we don't want to bother spending the money (for a new flip-side) as articulated by accountants (creative type perhaps) instead of a music artist
 

 
   
 

15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: why are songs repeated on the early albums, ie. \ on: March 21, 2019, 01:36:22 PM
"That's not what was Reprise was doing with Susie Cincinnati."

sure it was

same difference - saving money.  capitol did it ("exploiting catalog" = saving money, or trying to make more on what you already have out there). reprise did it so as not to master anything new on a 45 they probably had little confidence in it the time, and save the flipside new mastering expense
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: why are songs repeated on the early albums, ie. \ on: March 21, 2019, 11:02:08 AM
there's a slightly more contemporary equivalent to this old LP practice

I'm referring of course to SUSIE CINCINNATI that appeared as the perpetual 45 B-side

and it's not like the guys didn't have plenty of finished but unreleased tracks to substitute in its place at that time
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: March 19, 2019, 10:14:11 AM
that is almost true
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: No Endless Summer on: March 14, 2019, 08:20:48 AM
a point probably not lost on the suits @ Capitol records, but Endless Summer was a double LP of the old mixes, no new remastering and certainly no songs in stereo for the first time.  Yet a huge success although technically retarded.  It took the new CD era to motivate somebody finally dig out the old multi's and stage tapes
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New movie Charlie Says, with Dennis, Gregg Jakobson and Terry Melcher on: March 14, 2019, 08:13:47 AM
3 different movies about Charles manson, waiting to see each:

BIGGER THAN THE BEATLES

ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWODD

CHARLIE SAYS

the first title has the most Beach Boy characterization I'm told (of course they all do)

the last film may have the best title IMO, if one's well acquainted with the manson details
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Hal Blaine on: March 11, 2019, 07:27:19 AM
everyone loves Hal Blaine
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smile Songs Used In Other Albums on: February 19, 2019, 07:09:49 AM
beach boys song chords are a well-known tonic for what ails 'ya.  that's a given (for fans)
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: February 13, 2019, 01:44:01 PM
copyright of a composition vs. copyright of the recording, an interesting distinction

brings to mind Brians I'M WAITING FOR THE DAY which had a copyright in 1964 but not recorded (for Pet Sounds) until 1966 (with the usual Mike Love tampering with the lyrics).  what was submitted for copyright back in 1964, a title and a written lyric?  probably.  a chord sheet or note chart?  probably not
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: February 12, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
actually I think it's neither, since recording sessions for a song can span years (cabinessence certainly wasn't entirely 1968)

copyright, or more accurately publishing date are the official base
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: February 12, 2019, 01:18:34 PM
technically the 20/20 sessions digital release last year jumped the 50 year copyright extension gun, since while Friends LP was 1968 (for Wake The World sessions), 20/20 originally was 1969

so now that we're over a month into 2019 what (other) 1969 material still needs such extended copyright protection?  BreakAway

that would seem to be it.  with a stretch one could include the UK 45 single version of Cottonfields which's of course a 1970 release there (recorded in 1969).  the US 45 also is a 1970 release but it's the 20/20 version which's already been covered on the sessions.  over a year went by for them to release it as a single from the album (probably a capitol move, although that doesn't exactly explain why Al went ahead with his revised recording)

so mssrs boyd & linnet could take a breather and give us nothing more until 2020, for the copyright extension release of Sunflower material.  And there's certainly a ton there

With that overload my conjecture is some of it (sunflower)--that which's known to have earlier recording dates--could jump the gun and come out at the end of this year.  while the other half of material would be a 2020 copyright extension release.  that fragments sunflower so maybe they'll scotch my idea.  a quandary with no singularly good answer

p.s.:  it seems confusion could be had between the calendar year 2020, vs. the title of the beach boys album



25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Remembering Carl on: February 07, 2019, 09:57:37 AM
yes in May '84 I saw their show where Carl sang Heaven (it was in Monterey I think)
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