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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 04, 2019, 06:22:08 AM
"The password for the video is “smile”"

who'd've thunk?
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Keepin' the \ on: December 27, 2018, 11:27:02 AM
"....the band's massive post-Holland artistic decay...."

I like it when a phrase turns up every now and then that really hits the nail on the head

I've told people, even those only half-interested, that there's no greater consecutive (studio) album release difference in approach, style, and performance to be found anywhere than Beach Boys HOLLAND vs.  15 BIG ONES

WTF's echoing for an eternity
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: (suspended) on: November 05, 2018, 08:22:37 AM
"When the claims of a participant contradict things that are established, proven, on the record, it is our responsibility as music historians to ask why. That is all."

I've never heard a phrase of such pompous, self righteous wind-bag blather like that ever before.  That is all?  That is enough!
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: November 02, 2018, 07:30:59 AM
perhaps this needs a new thread topic instead but i'll start here

Brian Wilson plays the entire Christmas album (plus favorites)

with special guests Al Jardine and Blondie Chaplin

my local concert date is Nov. 30 at Chicago Theatre.  radio advertisements for it began yesterday

Brain Wilson is termed in the announcement 'co-founder of the Beach Boys', but since Al Jardine's also present then they have all the real group founders IMO, no need to quantify it further

now they don't say WHICH Christmas album, and by my count there are 3.  perhaps they want to keep it vague (and in the general public eye, as opposed to hardcore fans, it doesn't matter which), side-stepping the point for the time being that Mike won't be there to sing Little Saint Nick, if it's played at all.

I just hope he performs CHILD OF WINTER, which of course isn't from any album per se.  He does that one and the hardcore fans will be satisfied in one fell swoop (besides it's been my favorite since it first was heard on Chicago radio just 2 days before the holiday itself back then).  On that one it may not matter at all that Mike originally had (most of) the lead.

you can hear in the radio spot Brian singing we wish you a merry Christmas, but strangely his voice is kept low in the mix throughout and that's about all one can be sure of
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys studio disasters and screwups? on: September 27, 2018, 12:51:36 PM
brian & tandyn @ whiskey-a-go-go supposedly 1970:
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What would have been a fair price for Sea of Tunes? on: September 06, 2018, 01:51:58 PM
we've of course read that when news of Murry's impending SOT publishing sale got out at the time, the band tried to put the funds together to make a counter-offer to keep it in the family.  but it did not happen because either they fell $hort or technically too late to scuttle the Almo deal

Murry viewed the beach boys song catalog as a passing fad that'd lost its value.  the dismal performance of recent Breakaway no doubt convinced him of that.  but I wonder if he was enticed, because everyone in the business knew who he was and what he owned

I think he had become enormously disappointed and yes, something of an axe to grind with Brian.  I wonder if he had held on to the catalog instead, would he have been able to get along with the likes of Nick Grillo and especially Jack Reilly, who in a few years turned their fortunes around

had administering the publishing (admittedly large songlist) become too much of a daily chore that a person getting into his '60s was just not able.  I can only say for sure he acted like he had no confidence or appreciation in the lasting beauty of Brian'd composed
57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Very First Beach Boys Release on: August 20, 2018, 01:09:04 PM
in '67 I bought Pet Sounds on vinyl, but soon traded it to a friends' friend (don't ask)

I bought stack-o-tracks in '68 and found it fascinating

major part of the reason I got rid of my first PS was I's getting heavily into reel-to-reel tapes, getting a concord deck from allied radio for Xmas '67, so I was on the lookout for pre-recorded reel albums of which many stores sold here

I wanted a beach boys and a beatles tape but all my selections were limited to the 7-1/2 IPS speed (early on I learned 3-3/4 tapes were too inferior).  For the beatles capitol made Revolver @ 7-1/2, and Pet Sounds for the beach boys that speed too (and only those albums, a frustrating situation which did change some years on).  I played the dickens out of both those tapes on my concord, which graduated to a Tandberg 64X before too long.  And listened almost always through headphones (I must be the only person who enjoyed duophonic stereo via headphones, shame on me)

the capitol double disc BB compilation Close-Up would be next and I so regret not getting Friends during the brief time it was a new release.  However when Sunflower came out I was the only one in my gang who bought it new, so it got borrowed out a lot
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How much acutal tape splicing did Brian do himself? on: August 14, 2018, 10:36:10 AM
for the more tricky tape edits - was a visual aid ever resorted to in identifying the precise point at which to make the (blade or scissors) cut?

for a tape traveling @ 15 IPS, there is some latitude

the visual aid might be a magnetic fluid that's lightly wiped or sprayed onto the tape oxide - one brand I recall the name of was 'Magna-See' (but there were a couple others, maybe FerroSheen).  With judicious application it momentarily lets you see the recorded waveforms of the track, to identify peaks/valleys the engineer can tie into what is heard at the playback head (at that moment).

the Beatles SHE LOVES YOU is said to have 7 splice points, editing back and forth between several song takes.  Most people should be able to take an educated guess where one or two of them maybe giving it a critical listen - Ringo's high-hat cymbal seems to come and go arbitrarily at a probable edit point.  My long-standing belief is that's the true reason a stereo mix of that song was never released, i.e., those 7 edit points are tolerable in a dense mono mix, but when a more discrete stereo was attempted they called too much attention to themselves for public consumption
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: July 31, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
the shirt issue really spoils the event, visually, so at least we have radio to thank for (reminds me of a song title)

something more important this brings to mind is late George Harrison and how he'd describe his former Beatle years as "a shirt I used to wear but don't anymore"
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definite Smiley Smile Message Board's Song Ranking - Ranking Process on: July 24, 2018, 11:12:51 AM
1.  CAN'T WAIT TOO LONG (2-fer version)
2.  COOL, COOL WATER (alternate version)
61  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Be Here In The Mornin' Question on: July 13, 2018, 08:29:01 AM
"This symbol “~” has many uses. In math, if placed above the equal sign, it means approximately equal. In the dictionary it is used as a pronunciation guide. In logic notation it means a negation.  "

for 'approximately equals' expression in math I've used just the equals sign, but curve both (parallel) lines, not place a tilde above a normal equals.  simpler
62  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Be Here In The Mornin' Question on: July 12, 2018, 11:35:01 AM
Herr Desper -

why do you place a tilde before your initials instead of over?
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Had SMiLE been released, what would Brian have subsequently done? on: June 27, 2018, 08:55:58 AM
by I've rather saturated myself with listens to all of both Sunshine Tomorrow CD's

enough so that I feel confident making this statement, that had SMiLE album been finished & released originally and been any level of success, that no Brian would not have produced an album then like Wild Honey
64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: June 11, 2018, 09:03:52 AM
"They always seem to be playing “Rock and Roll Music” when I tune in, and it’s always the single version. "

,,,,,and may no one ever play any other RnRM version!

(song title appearing in another previous post "Al This Is That" - interesting mis-spelling, al things considered)

65  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: June 07, 2018, 11:40:40 AM

would they take a request for, and play......

(we can take bets on this)

Two Step Side-Step
66  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if...? on: May 29, 2018, 12:57:50 PM
of the 3 hypo-theticals the monterey pop question seems to have the most viability

(if there're other online dialogues already done that tackle that very point I've not seen it)

Monterey pop was a spur of the moment decision, yes they were scheduled and for some time, then brian abruptly cancelled

If SMiLE had been released by that date then of course the beach boys would've played MP

but the SMiLE  album no show has many more reasons behind it (all of them bad) than the concert no-show IMO, yet the two are inevitably related

in summary:
as we have come to understand from a modern vantagepoint there was no way SMiLE  could've been released originally--Brian overwhelmed himself to the point he totally lost so much simple focus, and group project support went down the tubes with it

if endless summer hadn't been released?  are you kidding me?  Capitol  had already released so many BB compilations and knew nothing more than to keep on doing so ad nauseum.

but Monterey pop?  that on the other hand was a distinct and black/white possibility.  Despite naysayers saying they might not've been polished enough, well, they certainly had a great many successfull perfomances under their belts by then.  Mike Love preferred to being paid and distrusting the event promotors?  IMO they'd have done it if Brian had instead insisted. 

67  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The craziest BB comp we are ever likely to see on: May 23, 2018, 07:03:27 AM
yeah that's undeniably weird, but I noticed something about the song selection

and that is that it's close to just one song from each BB album up through Friends
68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012 on: May 15, 2018, 02:23:03 PM
I believe there's definitely should be something--new that is--so that the Beach Boys can go out with a certified bang

and it's definitely not gleaning through every last bit of unidentified old tapes to try to pull another archival song recording rabbit out of the hat.  I say that as tantalizing as some of that old material can prove to be
69  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds: Billboard 1966... A Broader Picture on: May 10, 2018, 07:16:26 AM
you forgot an important point there, that the A Hard Days Night soundtrack LP was on the united artists label, not capitol

an album called Something New (gee I wonder what could that be).  capitol marketing department really earned their pay
70  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds: Billboard 1966... A Broader Picture on: May 09, 2018, 09:18:16 AM
"I don't have a problem with Capitol releasing a "best of" compilation in 1966"

the point is I'd be certain Brian certainly did have a big problem with it while recording pet sounds.  He should definitely not have been forced by the label to compete with himself that way.

the more I think on it I'd say capitol records did in fact tell brian and the guys they were preparing such best ofs, just enough to hold it over brians head if he didn't finish PS or SMiLE real soon then that these were going to be there chosen releases
71  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Something's coming...Stay tuned on: May 09, 2018, 09:09:36 AM
that location of course is the famous Abbey Road studios crosswalk
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds: Billboard 1966... A Broader Picture on: April 30, 2018, 11:31:43 AM
when Brian says "I've done only one or two tunes and I hate them" undoubtedly he's referring to In My Childhood, and about the other I wonder if it was what we now refer to as Trombone Dixieland

Right or wrong (or somewhere in between) the Wikepaedia site speaks of Best of BB Vol. 2  as being released in July '67 because the SMiLE album failed to materialize.  If the Best Of BB vol. 1 was planned even while pet sounds was being recorded (as Nick Venet seems to say above) then it stands to reason Vol. 2 was LP 'ammunition' capitol prepared similarly early-on (certainly before the SMiLE collapse it seems)

makes me wonder how much Brian was informed while he was recording pet sounds (of Vol. 1), and recording SMiLE (of Vol. 2).  Did capitol keep their compilation plans totally secret--that's a helluva thing

I know it's been written that their Party! album was a time-buying concoction for Brian to prepare pet sounds.  Ironically it also furnished the lead track to Best Of BB Vol. 2 later (Barbara Ann)

My conclusion, for the time being, is things stink as regards the you're-only-as-good-as-your-last-record confidence and album subterfuge capitol displayed during that timeframe
73  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Are the Arthur Miller books any good on: April 27, 2018, 08:52:13 AM
scrutinizing that bogus dennis/manson supposed old photo the dead giveaway is denny's facial hair, typical of mid-'70s NOT 1968 when he knew manson.  it almost seems as if whoever photoshopped this selected a particular dennis image for the purpose of matching mansons level of facial hair
74  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Caribou Ranch (1975) fanmix on: April 27, 2018, 08:48:27 AM
the other night based on this discussion I went back and gave rolling...heaven some fresh listens and I get a bit of a kick out of it.  It is NOT BAD, trite if fun brian Wilson style, and great album filler material as may be needed IMO
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds: Billboard 1966... A Broader Picture on: April 27, 2018, 08:45:02 AM
I have to say I'm confused about things you say in your response above

perhaps you'd actually meant "seems that SMiLE would never be finished"  (which certainly was the case because it wasn't in the end).  the first compilation was of course released a couple months after pet sounds and titled volume 1 inferring that capitol had a volume 2 up their corporate sleeves also at the time (wonder if the track line-up was settled on that early) even though release came later (7/'67) two months before smiley smile

perhaps what's really confused is what's exactly said, or meant, in the old steven gaines book

stepping back for a moment now it seems to me the actual 66-67-68 album releases are 'falling all over themselves' to use an expression, and logic may be hard to apply (Capitol records & brian Wilson now working cross-purposes in effect)
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