Importcds.com 5 Cd set for US $88.52 plus s/h

Hmm....appealing. Anyone used this seller before?

Many times. All legit and good.

There’s a 10% coupon code available in the official site: GET10OFF.

But I’m waiting for the box set to be available in the uDiscover store, because there’s a $25 OFF available coupon: SUMMER25

Just got the 4LP at uDiscover. SUMMER25 coupon knocked 25% off.

Could you like us please? I am trying "SUMMER25" at https://store.udiscovermusic.com/ but "No Voucher >SUMMER25< found."


EDIT:
Nevermind - seems you need to be in the American store to use it.

I had to do the 5cd + the 4 LP.

Was on the fence about colored vinyl but in the end there’s nothing wrong with good old black.

Why both? Seems there isn't anything on the vinyl that isn't on the 5CD-set (except som shorter edits)?

Corrections welcome. Track lengths are sourced from the Beach Boys web store.

Great job man, thanks!

I don't see anything that warrants a purchase of anything more than the 5CD boxset - especially if the vinyl is digitally sourced. The main difference between the versions seems to be just shortening of tracks.

Who wants to do a comparison between the different editions? What's missing on the 5CD box and on which issues are the tracks found?

Nothing on the 2CD, 2LP, or 4LP editions is missing from the 5CD set.  There are about 18 tracks that are longer on the 5CD set.
I don't know what "which issues are the tracks found" means.

I'll explain. The way I understand it some tracks on the 5CD box seem to appear in other iterations on some of the other versions of Feel Flows. Would be interesting to find out the where these other versions would be found and what crosses over between the sets.

Who wants to do a comparison between the different editions? What's missing on the 5CD box and on which issues are the tracks found?

CD 5. Bonus Disc

Oh my god

How is it not possible for me to get the 5CD set, the 2 CD and the Vinyl box set

Wouldn't all material be found on the 5CD box set?

The vinyl/2CD sets seem to have a handful of unique edits.

Seems a litte strange. Is there anywhere that does a comparison?

CD 5. Bonus Disc

Oh my god

How is it not possible for me to get the 5CD set, the 2 CD and the Vinyl box set

Wouldn't all material be found on the 5CD box set?

MIKE LOVE AREN´t YOU GLAD vs BRIAN WILSON AREN´T YOU GLAD

THe WINNER IS MIKE LOVE

Is there a version where Brian sings the whole thing?

I'm presuming the silly "Mike vs. Brian" reference is to their recent live versions from their respective bands? If so, then neither of them are singing the entire song. Brian and Mike are both singing the "Mike part" in concert, with other band members doing the higher "Brian parts."

Riiight...

MIKE LOVE AREN´t YOU GLAD vs BRIAN WILSON AREN´T YOU GLAD

THe WINNER IS MIKE LOVE

Is there a version where Brian sings the whole thing?

Anyone know if SS is getting the same 180G reissue treatment as WH?

There's already a great pressing of the mono and stereo version of SS by Analogue Priductions. I have the stereo and it sounds excellent.

Just as a side note, I love your avatar - one of my favourite albums!

Color me excited.

Uh Yeah! Of course there is going to be tons of takes that were never released on this set! Surfin's getting it's due we have only heard take 1 and the master take so.... Dear Mods where did all these whiners come from about all these future projects, that are great that they are coming out? Boo hoo I can't have a Stereo Smile, well we don't need it, you want it so bad roll your own,as Alan Boyd has said before! Boo hoo were getting all the Hite Morgan sessions and not other stuff? This is getting out of hand. I'm proud if this new release and I can finally own it all now! It's a musical time capsule!

Word! Be happy with what you get.

Brad should be paying for this CD for me, he still holds my 30 bucks or so from the early 2000s for the pre-order of something equivalent.

Hmm, odd that this has not gotten more of a buzz.

This is all becoming very tiresome... Maybe I'm just Gettin' In Over My Head..

Oddly enough, GIOMH is an example of an album that had pitch correction (not necessarily auto-tune) used poorly, with 'Fairy Tale' as a great example (specifically 'and the flowers died').

No, that's just Brian hitting bad notes. I don't hear a trace of pitch correction on that song. Or the entire album for that matter,

You'd be surprised. ..

Interestingly, aside from anything to do with NPP, I've noticed that when artists do use autotune to "fix" a singer, it works best with tiny fixes. When someone is singing WAAAY off, autotune will make it sound far worse.

Very true. Even worse when the entire track is selected at once rather than individual phrases or notes.

Oh yeah, that will in most cases make it sound really artificial. Melodyne is a really great program/plugin for doing those subtle changes on individual notes/phrases. Tuning someone's vocal is so usual these days, and if the source (e.g. the vocal) is good, that tend to work great. Tuning a bad vocal on the other hand.. ick!

[So the conversation about the technology became a way to argue about things -- Brian being controlled, Brian doing inappropriate music, Brian no longer being able to sing -- that are a little uncomfortable to state outright, but which are easily implied.We had nearly as much debate about BW's vocals on BWPS, and again on BWRG. By that time, people had graduated to talking about "autotune." But again, it's a stand in for a bunch of other topics. To request that people actually address those topics, rather than rail against a technological specter, seems like a legitimate request.It's like the "Brian's handlers" talk. Let's imply something dark and ominous, without actually coming out and saying what we mean. Thankfully, that's ebbed a bit as folks like Ray have pointed out that Brian's "people" are essentially his wife and longtime PR person. Nothing too dark there.]

I remember when folks griped -- for years! -- about the "pro tools" on Imagination.

Of course, pro tools is just a digital recording suite, and doesn't necessitate that music sound any particular way. Bob Dylan has recorded multiple, rootsy albums using it.

So the conversation about the technology became a way to argue about things -- Brian being controlled, Brian doing inappropriate music, Brian no longer being able to sing -- that are a little uncomfortable to state outright, but which are easily implied.

We had nearly as much debate about BW's vocals on BWPS, and again on BWRG. By that time, people had graduated to talking about "autotune." But again, it's a stand in for a bunch of other topics. To request that people actually address those topics, rather than rail against a technological specter, seems like a legitimate request.

It's like the "Brian's handlers" talk. Let's imply something dark and ominous, without actually coming out and saying what we mean. Thankfully, that's ebbed a bit as folks like Ray have pointed out that Brian's "people" are essentially his wife and longtime PR person. Nothing too dark there.

Nailed it. Be prepared for all kinds of denials, charges of "conspiracy theorist!", attempts to spin and distort and double-talk and all the rest...but you just nailed it. That sums it up very well.

Pretty sad state of affairs among the fanbase, isn't it? The basic enjoyment that comes with being a fan replaced by those having some axe to grind (or...horrors...agenda) without having the guts to come right out and say it.


Cheers, Wirestone.

No.

With great respect to Clay Wirestone who I normally agree with, I don't get this at all from the majority of criticisms of the new album and its production. I'm slightly disturbed by the intolerant tone taken by guitarfool2002 recently (whose wrath I shall doubtless incur with this post). This questioning of people's honesty is fanning the flames of a argument that really doesn't need to happen. The long and the short of it is that some people like and some do not like the production of NPP. Live and let live.

You said this better than I ever could have. Wirestone and Guitarfool are ascribing motivations to posters whose opinions about No Pier Pressure don't line up with their own. It's like a McCarthy communist witch-hunt.

It's as though anybody who says anything negative about NPP has to a) apologize in advance with the "it's only my opinion" disclaimer and b) go into minute technical detail to explain their opinion on the album. If said poster only has a few posts to their name, they are part of the anti-Brian cabal.

This is all becoming very tiresome... Maybe I'm just Gettin' In Over My Head...

Very well said B00ts. I post my opinion about the tuning of vocals, as well as my general opinion about the album, and I pretty much feel witch hunted by guitar fool. I even politely come back saying that I intend to give examples, though I'm not in a hurry, but the examples are demanded right away, no excuses are good enough. Give me a frikkin' break! The fact is, because of guitarfool and his rather rude and disrespectful tone, it makes me not want to give examples. Talk about driving a true fan away from the message board. Oh wait, I'm not a true fan, I have an agenda! Sigh. Oh, and the few people who actually give examples, they are either a) too fresh on the board to voice an opinion or b) the agenda again.
Guitarfool, respectfully, I think you need to look at yourself from the outside a bit, especially considering you are a moderator here.

If someone doesn't like some or all of the album, that's their prerogative, their right.  They don't need to justify it, and those of you who want to argue to the death about it come across as insecure in your assessment of the album.  I chuckle when I hear some of you talk about an "agenda".  Just because someone doesn't like the album?  Any use of Autotune didn't detract from my enjoyment of the album, though I feel it's brave of Brian to point out that it was used - pretty much all pop albums use it or overuse it as the case may be.
I've never heard anyone say anything truly malicious about Brian here or anywhere; he is loved and adored.  The perceived slights against Brian are blown way out of proportion here. And let me say for the record, I don't have a bias - Brian is my hero and I consider myself a Brianista - proudly so.  I just don't need to put everyone else down to justify it.

Scott

You know, it’s funny how Scott laid it out there with these statements that actually echoed the thoughts and posts of mine (and a couple of others) earlier in this thread. And those thoughts failed to be acknowledged until Scott came along and then it was somehow legitimized. The same ones who thanked Scott for coming by with his thoughts ignored what I had to say above about having a right to dislike a few songs on NPP without having to justify it. You still don't get it. There's NO Agenda or “people on a mission” to destroy NPP or Brian. That’s a bunch of crap! What the hell would that gain a poster here (other than a bad rep)? People go out on a limb here to post unpopular thoughts and get ridiculed for it. Then you call B.S. if someone doesn't justify their stance. You call B.S. about Ottotune. You call B.S. about the Joe Thomas naysayers. You call B.S. unless everyone gets on their knees and bows to Brian with only positive thoughts about NPP and everything and everybody else associated with it. And I also don’t see a conspiracy here to “put down Brian one notch on a pedestal” Just ain’t happenin’ here, ya know? We're all just a bunch of rabid, dedicated, passionate fans and that's it! But there's gotta be an effing conspiracy, right? Oswald acted alone - so much for your conspiracy theory! No shooter was on the grassy knoll or anywhere else except the TSBD building! Shock! But....but.......where's the evidence to support my findings??

Brianista Mike

I agree Mikie, it's just insane. I really don't understand what people would gain from being "anti-Brian Wilson" or whatever. Where's the reward? I'm sure there are trolls like on any other message board, but I bet 98% of the members of this board are true Beach Boys fans. And I think it's ridiculous that just because I have not given any specific examples on places on NPP where vocals have been tuned (which btw two other people have done further up the thread), that makes me one of the people with a so-called agenda, making up excuses and what not? Pfft. I have the right to choose how I spend my time. I've been a fan of Brian Wilson and the boys for about 20 years, having about 5-600 CDs/LPs, and now because I criticize something that in my opinion is a poor piece of art, I'm the bad guy. Nah, I think I've done my share of supporting Brian Wilson throughout the years, whether that's by buying records, seeing him live several times, in posting here or the Smile Shop board, the old blue board, in the Cabinessence chat, and so on, to be able to also post my opinion and critique when I think it's due.

[Pet Sounds]

FWIW, I'm not taking a side in the pitch correcting debate.  I've only listened to the available tracks on my cell phone, which is no way to listen to music.  I just think this debate borders on ridiculous.

EoL

You listen to music on a fucking cell phone. And you have the gawl to put down Tansen for something you can't hear anyway. He has every right to either support or not support his claim that Tunafish exists on NPP. He has as much right as you taking the time out of your busy schedule insisting that he take time to prove it. He doesn't need to prove anything. If he says he hears it, he hears it - trust him. He doesn't need to justify hs findings - this ain't a court of law that requires evidence. BFD if you disagree. You don't need a professional or educated ear to hear anamolies with the production. And the debate over Autotune is ridiculous? No more than it is with your ridiculous post dog-piling on him for his sincere belief concerning the existence of pitch correction. It sounds like you indeed are taking sides with this issue. Go listen to NPP on a halfway decent stereo system with both of your ears or headphones before making comments, Mr. Audiophile.

Thanks Mikie, you are completely right. Whether I am right or wrong doesn't really matter, it boils down to whether or not I want to spend my time having to give examples to prove what I hear. Quite evidently some people here do not accept that notion.

Although better expressed than most, this may be one of the most inane threads of recent vintage, and that's saying something.

Thank f*** for common sense. No one can fart around here at the moment without a 5000 word response alleging a conspiracy theory. I spent an hour knocking out my own review of the album last night but have held it back fttb and bought shares in Kleenex - will post when they schedule a dividend announcement.

If someone doesn't like some or all of the album, that's their prerogative, their right.  They don't need to justify it, and those of you who want to argue to the death about it come across as insecure in your assessment of the album.  I chuckle when I hear some of you talk about an "agenda".  Just because someone doesn't like the album?  Or poor the poor guy who wondered if BW was playing his piano on Conan took so much grief for a not unreasonable question - even what looked like not-so-veiled threats of punishment from Mods.  (PS Brian played his piano when I toured with him on the 50th).

Scott

Word. You and Scott said it, John.

We live in an age of permanent backlash--a sad and seemingly unavoidable fact. Did the media start this, or did they pick it up from us once a general sense that the world was spinning out of control took hold, in (pick whatever year suits you), so that we would all be complicit in this primal tantrum?

What's clear about NPP is that it's a collection of songs that seeks to address psychic wounds and look for ways to heal them. Not paper them over, or treat them either superficially or meta-ironically. What we should be championing here is the fact that Brian's music--as always--wears its heart on its sleeve. That is why it's so valuable, even if it may not reach the same exalted heights of musical composition as Pet Sounds or Smile (or whatever).

That's still present. It's still intact. And it's the real reason why so many of us are here. We would do well to remind ourselves of this more often.

Awesome. It saddens me when people reduce music to such and such chord changes, processing and "but it's not Pet Sounds." Brian shares his heart and soul in his music. You know, "there's a lot of love" in there, as he would say. It's okay not to relate to some of it musically, but let's not stomp the gift into the ground in the process of discussing it.

Actually I want to common on one thing here. It's all well and nice that 'Brian shares his heart and soul' and that 'there's a lot of love in there', but to some of us music IS complex and/or clever chord changes, it IS production, it IS certain instrumentation, it IS complexity in arrangements - it IS what makes the music good to some of us. To me NPP fails on a lot of these points. That doesn't mean I do not respect and adore Brian Wilson, it just means I don't think NPP has the ingredients to what makes a great, or even a good album.

I ended it how exactly, by asking you to point out few examples of this pitch correction that you mentioned so strongly in criticizing the album?

Is it too much to ask you to provide a few examples so we can also try to hear what you're hearing as a negative about the album? Is it really that much to ask to give examples of what led you to tell everyone here what is wrong with the album in no uncertain terms?

If you read my original post, you will find that I wrote that I will try to provide you with some examples, but it's not high on my priority list. So yes, at this very moment, it is too much to ask.

Your own reply:

"Maybe it's not a lot to ask, but I do not feel the need to explain myself to you at all. You just ended this conversation."

You should consider explaining yourself to those who read your comments here about pitch correction and how the album is "unlistenable", and take me out of the equation entirely. Just explain what you said to those reading the comments and offer a chance to hear what you found so objectionable to call it unlistenable. Because it went from pitch correction, to songwriting, from not needing to explain yourself, to now trying to provide examples for board members to explain yourself, from saying it's not a lot to ask, to now clarifying how it is too much to ask just now...

I'm replying to what I'm reading, that's all. And it's spinning around in many different directions at this point.

Wow dude, you really like discussing huh?

I think you rather read my original post wrong, if you put some goodwill in, you can read it as me agreeing with Yorick on pitch shifting, as well as adding a comment about the album further more being unlistenable. That was the intent anyways. And yeah I do not feel the need to explain myself to you, when you clearly did not respect my original reply to you. You are the one who several times have mentioned 'It's not a lot to ask', 'Is it too much to ask..?', and my reply to your was in fact that at this point it definitely is. I'm not sure how you manage to be so confused, but let's leave it at that eh?

Give us a few examples from the album where pitch correction was such an issue for your listening experience, so we can try to understand where your comments were coming from.

Go back to my original reply to you, and you have your answer.

I ended it how exactly, by asking you to point out few examples of this pitch correction that you mentioned so strongly in criticizing the album?

Is it too much to ask you to provide a few examples so we can also try to hear what you're hearing as a negative about the album? Is it really that much to ask to give examples of what led you to tell everyone here what is wrong with the album in no uncertain terms?

If you read my original post, you will find that I wrote that I will try to provide you with some examples, but it's not high on my priority list. So yes, at this very moment, it is too much to ask.

Your own reply:

"Maybe it's not a lot to ask, but I do not feel the need to explain myself to you at all. You just ended this conversation."

You should consider explaining yourself to those who read your comments here about pitch correction and how the album is "unlistenable", and take me out of the equation entirely. Just explain what you said to those reading the comments and offer a chance to hear what you found so objectionable to call it unlistenable. Because it went from pitch correction, to songwriting, from not needing to explain yourself, to now trying to provide examples for board members to explain yourself, from saying it's not a lot to ask, to now clarifying how it is too much to ask just now...

I'm replying to what I'm reading, that's all. And it's spinning around in many different directions at this point.

Wow dude, you really like discussing huh?

I think you rather read my original post wrong, if you put some goodwill in, you can read it as me agreeing with Yorick on pitch shifting, as well as adding a comment about the album further more being unlistenable. That was the intent anyways. And yeah I do not feel the need to explain myself to you, when you clearly did not respect my original reply to you. You are the one who several times have mentioned 'It's not a lot to ask', 'Is it too much to ask..?', and my reply to your was in fact that at this point it definitely is. I'm not sure how you manage to be so confused, but let's leave it at that eh?

I ended it how exactly, by asking you to point out few examples of this pitch correction that you mentioned so strongly in criticizing the album?

Is it too much to ask you to provide a few examples so we can also try to hear what you're hearing as a negative about the album? Is it really that much to ask to give examples of what led you to tell everyone here what is wrong with the album in no uncertain terms?

If you read my original post, you will find that I wrote that I will try to provide you with some examples, but it's not high on my priority list, considering it will force me to listen more to an album I find quite unlistenable. So yes, at this very moment, it is too much to ask.

I dare any sound engineer on this board to tell me with a straight face that no vocals have been pitched on this album. It's crazy how some people in this thread proclaim no  has been used on this album, just because their ears aren't trained to detect it. Or the ones that start anal discussions about how it was not the  brand that was used.  is synonymous with pitched vocals and that's what we're talking about. Sorry for the rant, but knowing a lot about this stuff from working in professional sound studios all the time, it just irritates me to see this.

Word. There is so much pitching going on, it's out of this world. Further more, I'm sorry, but to me this album is unlistenable. I bought it for "In the Back of My Mind".

Back up the claim with examples so some of us can hear what you're saying? I have the album, most of us do, give me a few track times and phrases to key in on and I'll listen with my AKG studio 'phones.

Fair enough?

I'll try to find some time to do that guitarfool, but mind you it's not a prioritized task considering that I find the songwriting quite bad. But tuning has been used pretty much throughout the whole album, not by autotuning it I suspect, but manually in Melodyne or the likes. The anchor point for me is not the tuning however, but the overall (IMO) bad songwriting and production.

PS! I have four years in sound engineering school, and hold both a diploma and a bachelor in sound technology if it makes any difference.

No difference to me, never was in the first place - I wasn't the one who issued the original "dare" for sound engineers to chime in, that was Yorick. Take it up with him. I took up this dare and listed what's in my background regarding these sound issues as a direct reply.

Replying to your post directly, I asked for just a few examples of where you heard this "pitching" going on to the extent that it led you to post what you did. Not a full exploration of every phrase on the album, but if you're hearing this pitch correction to the point it is out of this world and to lead you to comment as you did using the word "unlistenable", I have to assume since you didn't mention the writing at all but rather the "pitching", that you had a few triggers that set you off while listening.

Just give us a few so we can understand where you're coming from with that level of criticism. It's not a lot to ask considering the tone of your post and the wording used.

Songwriting - Now the goalposts are being moved and the focus of criticism has changed entirely. Is it now that aspect of the album that makes it "unlistenable" for you? Because your original reply to Yorick seemed to agree with him on pitch correction being the most egregious point of criticism, to the point it was "unlistenable" and so much pitch correction was done to make it out of this world with its aftereffects on the tracks and songs in general.

Not a word was mentioned about the quality of songwriting until I asked for some examples of what I assumed you were keying in on to declare it unlistenable, and that was Yorick's points about pitch correction, which he issued as a dare for other sound engineers to debate.

If it's the use of pitch correction, at least give us a few - not all - examples of where we can hear what you're hearing as a negative. If it's more the songwriting quality overall than the pitch correction, that's a separate issue which is more subjective and formed on opinion which is a totally different type of discussion. I can't prove to others what is or isn't a "good" song to the point where it becomes fact that "this is a good song because...etc". I can't ask for examples of where or why a song isn't "good" as many so-called legendary songs may not be good songs to everyone, obviously.

So which is it? Pitch correction or songwriting that makes NPP unlistenable? One of those has an opportunity to offer examples and debate them. The other is far more opinion-driven and subjective depending on who is discussing it. Let's keep the game on the same playing field at least. That's not a lot to ask.

Wow! Dude, let's not try to over analyze everything here! I agreed with Yorick in the fact that pitch correction software has been used heavily on the vocals on this album, 'out of this world' was perhaps strong wording. The album being unlistenable was a comment on the songwriting and the album overall - hence the 'Further more' comment. Maybe it's not a lot to ask, but I do not feel the need to explain myself to you at all. You just ended this conversation.

I dare any sound engineer on this board to tell me with a straight face that no vocals have been pitched on this album. It's crazy how some people in this thread proclaim no  has been used on this album, just because their ears aren't trained to detect it. Or the ones that start anal discussions about how it was not the  brand that was used.  is synonymous with pitched vocals and that's what we're talking about. Sorry for the rant, but knowing a lot about this stuff from working in professional sound studios all the time, it just irritates me to see this.

Word. There is so much pitching going on, it's out of this world. Further more, I'm sorry, but to me this album is unlistenable. I bought it for "In the Back of My Mind".

Back up the claim with examples so some of us can hear what you're saying? I have the album, most of us do, give me a few track times and phrases to key in on and I'll listen with my AKG studio 'phones.

Fair enough?

I'll try to find some time to do that guitarfool, but mind you it's not a prioritized task considering that I find the songwriting quite bad. But tuning has been used pretty much throughout the whole album, not by autotuning it I suspect, but manually in Melodyne or the likes. The anchor point for me is not the tuning however, but the overall (IMO) bad songwriting and production.

PS! I have four years in sound engineering school, and hold both a diploma and a bachelor in sound technology if it makes any difference.

I dare any sound engineer on this board to tell me with a straight face that no vocals have been pitched on this album. It's crazy how some people in this thread proclaim no  has been used on this album, just because their ears aren't trained to detect it. Or the ones that start anal discussions about how it was not the  brand that was used.  is synonymous with pitched vocals and that's what we're talking about. Sorry for the rant, but knowing a lot about this stuff from working in professional sound studios all the time, it just irritates me to see this.

Word. There is so much pitching going on, it's out of this world. Further more, I'm sorry, but to me this album is unlistenable. I bought it for "In the Back of My Mind".