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DennisWilsonIsMyHero
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What's the deal with this song? I haven't seen much, if any discussion of it. Was it meant to end up on Smile?
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It's not a song. It's a quote from a Hallmark gift book (they used to make cutesy little books to be given like greeting cards). The artwork including it got used as the back cover of Smiley Smile, with all the color sucked out of it.
I don't recall anyone ever talking about the Hallmark book in a BB thread ever. I did find a copy at the (deceased) Book Castle in Burbank, and I have that page scanned in full color, if anyone is interested!
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Quote from: onkster on June 19, 2009, 12:00:08 PM
It's not a song. It's a quote from a Hallmark gift book (they used to make cutesy little books to be given like greeting cards). The artwork including it got used as the back cover of Smiley Smile, with all the color sucked out of it.
I don't recall anyone ever talking about the Hallmark book in a BB thread ever. I did find a copy at the (deceased) Book Castle in Burbank, and I have that page scanned in full color, if anyone is interested!
Please, do... then I can direct the next person who asks me about it to that page. As opposed to shouting at them, very loudly.
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Didn't the rumor of this song title start in the Timothy White book? Or did it start somewhere else, and he just perpetuated it?
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Quote from: onkster on June 19, 2009, 12:00:08 PM
It's not a song. It's a quote from a Hallmark gift book (they used to make cutesy little books to be given like greeting cards). The artwork including it got used as the back cover of Smiley Smile, with all the color sucked out of it.
I don't recall anyone ever talking about the Hallmark book in a BB thread ever. I did find a copy at the (deceased) Book Castle in Burbank, and I have that page scanned in full color, if anyone is interested!
Yeah, please scan and post it. I've never heard this story before, and the album does not have any credits for the front or back cover. Do you know when this Hallmark book was released? Does it have a copyright date?
On another note, who was Barry Turnbull, who, according to the back cover of the album, came up with the title Smiley Smile?
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Quote from: A Million Units In Jan! on June 19, 2009, 01:17:06 PM
Didn't the rumor of this song title start in the Timothy White book? Or did it start somewhere else, and he just perpetuated it?
Said rumor was up and running long before Tim White came along - I recall it from at least 1975.
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June 19, 2009, 02:41:07 PM »
I don't have the whole book anymore, just the page.
But my recollection of the book was it had a nouveau psychedelic look to it, so I'm guessing it was contemporary--'66, '67. It was filled with other, similar homilies.
I'll dig up the scan and post it this weekend!
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Re: Indian Wisdom
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June 19, 2009, 02:44:57 PM »
I hope I didn't ruffle any feathers...
I take it this subject has been beat to death already. The reason I was asking was because I came across it listed as the track title to an instrumental piece. I've never heard the piece before and have no idea what it was intended for.
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Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I live I will kill you. If I die you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor.
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Quote from: DennisWilsonIsMyHero on June 19, 2009, 02:44:57 PM
I hope I didn't ruffle any feathers...
I take it this subject has been beat to death already. The reason I was asking was because I came across it listed as the track title to an instrumental piece. I've never heard the piece before and have no idea what it was intended for.
Does said intrumental piece feature a kinda plunky guitar/mandolin ?
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June 20, 2009, 12:41:38 AM »
That's most likely what he's referring to. Although I believe the instrument providing the "guitar solo" in the song is actually a bouzouki.
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Ah, right... well, the track in question is a
Friends
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isn't it on the Smile Project cdrom?
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Re: Indian Wisdom
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on June 19, 2009, 01:27:31 PM
Quote from: A Million Units In Jan! on June 19, 2009, 01:17:06 PM
Didn't the rumor of this song title start in the Timothy White book? Or did it start somewhere else, and he just perpetuated it?
Said rumor was up and running long before Tim White came along - I recall it from at least 1975.
I remember it was listed in Byron Preiss's book. That was 1978, I believe.
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Quote from: punkinhead on June 20, 2009, 10:07:49 AM
isn't it on the Smile Project cdrom?
yeah, which is somewhat misleading.
Is Little Red Book from the Smile period too? Someone told me it was also from Friends
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Quote from: hypehat on June 21, 2009, 03:08:23 AM
Quote from: punkinhead on June 20, 2009, 10:07:49 AM
isn't it on the Smile Project cdrom?
yeah, which is somewhat misleading.
Is Little Red Book from the Smile period too? Someone told me it was also from Friends
Rumor was it was Brian's valentine's present to Marilyn, 2/14/67, but I'm most relaibly informed it's a
Friends
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At long last, here's a scan--the upload box was full, so I had to finagle another way.
Here 'tis:
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Quote from: onkster on June 21, 2009, 06:11:05 PM
At long last, here's a scan--the upload box was full, so I had to finagle another way.
Great, thanks onkster.
And if anyone knows more about this gift book, please stand up!
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on June 21, 2009, 03:30:03 AM
Quote from: hypehat on June 21, 2009, 03:08:23 AM
Quote from: punkinhead on June 20, 2009, 10:07:49 AM
isn't it on the Smile Project cdrom?
yeah, which is somewhat misleading.
Is Little Red Book from the Smile period too? Someone told me it was also from Friends
Rumor was it was Brian's valentine's present to Marilyn, 2/14/67, but I'm most relaibly informed it's a
Friends
outtake. And yes, I must change the session date on 10452.
Thanks as always, Andrew
And that photo's great, onkster!
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on June 19, 2009, 12:02:13 PM
...As opposed to shouting at them, very loudly.
But that's the only thing that keeps you out of the pool halls!
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I spent hundreds of hours in there, searching, searching; never buying anything, until finally I had to have a lung removed. I never made it all the way to the back. I think from a certain point on it was just a matte painting.
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The Indian Wisdom quote - is it Native American or from India?
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Well I never.... Gobsmacked.
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Me thinks, India.
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In fact, the Hallmark book from which Indian Wisdom is derived--is indeed from that Hallmark stand at the front of Book Castle.
Much amazing stuff was there--including a signed first edition of "Tropic of Cancer", just sitting in the racks for $20. I was out of work at the time, but should have gone into hock to get it. Regrets, regrets...
I always wonder if the Indian Wisdom thing was Brian's idea--following his pattern of lifting odd things from ordinary pop culture--or whether it was a graphic artist's idea. I'm betting on the former.
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That is a really wonderful mid-'60s image and sentiment (even apart from its association with the album-that-wasn't) and a perfect embodiment of the Smile album aesthetic. Gives me goose bumps. Do you know if those gift books had titles or any other individual identifying data? I would dearly love to find a copy.
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