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« Reply #325 on: February 11, 2006, 01:19:30 PM » |
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He does have a point, Wind Chimes isn't one of the better examples of Brian's production genius in its Smile incarnation. It benefitted from a minimalist version that appeared on Smiley Smile. The tune is more beautiful that way. Well we both have different definitions of beauty then. The smile version is upbeat, happy sounding and then goes into a rocking breakdown part and eventually goes into the beautiful "Whisperin winds send my wind chimes a tinklin". The Smile version of that section is my definition of beauty. I would say that arrangement shows brians genius in all forms. The upbeat verses, the rocking breakdown "bom bom bom" and then the beautiful accapella outro. Smiley smiles version is SO bland and has NO dynamics. |
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« Reply #326 on: February 11, 2006, 01:22:17 PM » |
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Brian produced the Smiley Smile version, man. Listen to the session tapes. Brian is clearly the man in charge of the Smiley Smile sessions.
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« Reply #327 on: February 11, 2006, 01:23:34 PM » |
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smile version is upbeat, happy sounding and then goes into a rocking breakdown part and eventually goes into the beautiful "Whisperin winds send my wind chimes a tinklin". That's the 2004 version. SMiLEY has no dynamics?  HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! That Chimes DEFINES dynamics. You have to actually TURN UP THE VOLUME TO HEAR THE ENDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What do you think dynamics are? Bland? It is one of the most malevolent and eerie pieces ever released by any artist! |
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« Reply #328 on: February 11, 2006, 01:24:59 PM » |
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Brian produced the Smiley Smile version, man. Listen to the session tapes. Brian is clearly the man in charge of the Smiley Smile sessions. Well maybe he was, but he was under enormous pressure from the band and the record company and sacrificed his visions of grandeur to make them happy and he lost himself in the process. |
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« Reply #329 on: February 11, 2006, 01:26:48 PM » |
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I don't know man, he seemed to be really into that minimalist sound, so much so that he accompanied the band to Hawaii for two shows and arranged all the material in the same minimalistic manner. The tapes are out there, listen to them. Smiley Smile is the natural evolution of Smile in Brian Wilson's mind.
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« Reply #330 on: February 11, 2006, 01:27:21 PM » |
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That's the 2004 version. Ummm well you clearly don't have the 66 smile sessions I have. I've heard it with my own ears. And yes it is the 2004 version of smile too, but it was intact in 66. |
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« Reply #331 on: February 11, 2006, 01:28:32 PM » |
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Yes, all those sections existed in '66. The "whispering winds" section on Smiley Smile's version of Wind Chimes is also a Smile-era recording.
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« Reply #332 on: February 11, 2006, 01:30:40 PM » |
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That's the 2004 version. Ummm well you clearly don't have the 66 smile sessions I have. I've heard it with my own ears. And yes it is the 2004 version of smile too, but it was intact in 66. I had all the sessions when you were listening to Van Hagar.  |
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« Reply #333 on: February 11, 2006, 01:31:19 PM » |
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Dude I have it all and some unbooted stuff too.
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« Reply #334 on: February 11, 2006, 01:31:52 PM » |
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Well, PM me!
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« Reply #335 on: February 11, 2006, 01:32:24 PM » |
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Brian seemed to be into, because he just wanted to make everyone happy. Why is that up until 2004 whenever Smile was mentioned in an interview he says it's a "bad area for me". He was obviously hurt that the rest of the guys didn't want to go along with his beautiful vision of Smile.
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« Reply #336 on: February 11, 2006, 01:33:32 PM » |
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The rest of the guys? They were all for it, except for Mike, who still did his work on the material. Believe me, they were mostly FOR him. Wasn't it Dennis Wilson who said that Smile was so good that it made Pet Sounds stink?
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« Reply #337 on: February 11, 2006, 01:33:43 PM » |
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Well the sessions I have Wind Chimes is pieced together exactly as I stated.
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« Reply #338 on: February 11, 2006, 01:34:58 PM » |
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Mike Love drove Van Dyke away, and Brian had no one left to bounce the ideas he was going for off of so he abandoned it.
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« Reply #339 on: February 11, 2006, 01:35:30 PM » |
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Brian seemed to be into, because he just wanted to make everyone happy. Why is that up until 2004 whenever Smile was mentioned in an interview he says it's a "bad area for me". He was obviously hurt that the rest of the guys didn't want to go along with his beautiful vision of Smile.
He associated SMiLE with his mental breakdown. SMiLEY and Love You are FAR weirder than SMiLE. Why were those allowed to be released by those mean mean men, the BB's? Van Dyke does not agree with that version of events, Mike. |
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« Reply #340 on: February 11, 2006, 01:35:51 PM » |
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Mike didn't drive anyone away. Van Dyke doesn't say that either.
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« Reply #341 on: February 11, 2006, 01:37:27 PM » |
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VDP SOLELY lays the blame for his departure at Brian's feet. He had a record contract and an album pending. He didn't have time to babysit Brian any more.
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« Reply #342 on: February 11, 2006, 01:38:02 PM » |
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Ian, check your PMs.
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« Reply #343 on: February 11, 2006, 01:40:25 PM » |
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I don't know man I've heard van dyke say he was getting pissed off by mike love and I have an interview of him saying " When it came to the point that I was getting in the way of brothers and their relationships, I decided to back out" or something to that extent.
Also Smiley Smiles credits say Produced by The Beach Boys. It was the first beach boys album that didn't credit brian as sole producer. And yes Love you is just as weird as Smiley, but it's a very good weird, where smiley is a bad vibe weird(for me at least). I love Love You. Brian had complete creative control over Love you and he didn't over Smiley. He might've had a lot of control of Smiley but not all of it.
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« Reply #344 on: February 11, 2006, 01:42:10 PM » |
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He did have complete control over Smiley Smile. In fact, the Smiley Smile sessions were considered Smile sessions!
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« Reply #345 on: February 11, 2006, 01:44:13 PM » |
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I dont know man I can't agree with you. We have conflicting sources of information.
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« Reply #346 on: February 11, 2006, 01:44:35 PM » |
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He did not have complete control of Love You. It was finished by Carl after Brian abandoned it.
VDP WAS pissed off by Mike, but you know, that didn't stop him from appearing again for Sail On Sailor, Day In The Life Of A Tre, and, yes, SUMMER IN PARADISE!!!!!!!!!!
VDP was tired of the weirdness Brian was exhibiting. Exactly what Mike was tired of.
The reason VDP and Mike dislike each other is because they are smilar.
They both used Brian to further their own artistic vision (witness Brian saying it was scary SMiLE because he felt VDP was "controlling" him).
Have you heard the SMiLEY sessions, Mike?
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« Reply #347 on: February 11, 2006, 01:45:37 PM » |
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I'm sorry, my information and sources are impeccable. That is how it went down.
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« Reply #348 on: February 11, 2006, 01:51:46 PM » |
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I think you guys are twisting the facts. Why isn't Brian credited as the sole producer if he had complete control? When Brian is credited as Sole producer, brians stamp is all over it. Everything up to Pet Sounds and the Smile sessions. And then boom a weird change of direction when brian isn't a sole producer on Smiley. And then finally when brian is credited as sole producer on Love you, the magic is back, his stamp is all over it. And not so much on any of the other records.
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« Reply #349 on: February 11, 2006, 01:54:14 PM » |
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It was Brian's idea to put the "Produced By The Beach Boys" tag on the album. Why, I don't know. Good old Brian, I guess.
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