Al joining Mike and Bruce for Jones Beach show

[Rocker]

I think the problem with facebook etc. is that anybody can post. Ambha Love and Drew Jardine and all of them that way got to handle with some of the real stupid fans á la Brianistas, blueboarders and the typical youtube-discusser. There are only but a few reasonable people I guess and they probably also favor the ambiance of a message board such as this. But the insane, crazy people (apart from the Beach Boys themselves) are going the facebook way where they have a chance to let all their hate out with hope in mind that their uneducated (beach boy-) knowledge will lead to something; to what I don't know.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

The back procedure came before the tour extension.

Sounds right. When did the no more shows statement from Brian come? Early on I believe.

And I imagine Mike was already booking stuff for the M/B band when Al and Brian said, let's keep going...

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

You guys can't do a damn thing about what someone posts on their own social media anymore than you can control what asshole cuts you off in traffic. And you certainly can't control the opinion of a personally informed person. It's useless getting angry over it.

Guitarfool: put that $100 bill back in your pocket. No one wants it. Ambha doesn't have to prove her opinion to anyone. And with the ceaseless level of "fan" vitriol that's been aimed at her father since well before she was even born, we're lucky she went as easy as she did on the topic...... See, this is what history has proven: violence creates more violence... Even from behind a keyboard.

[KittyKat]

Gee, Ambha seemed like a sweet kid when she sang Sail On Sailor in concert a couple of years ago. I have a hard time believing that's really her saying those things on Facebook. Wouldn't be at all surprised it's somebody else writing that crap.

I've read a couple of verbal interviews with Ambha, and she is a feisty kid. It certainly sounds like it could be her. I'm not sure why people are jumping on her case. It's her dad. I'd be pissed too if people talked like that about my dad. The postings were made on Al's board and people were throwing down Mike right and left, even though it was Al's decision not to play that Jones Beach gig. And bringing all the C50 stuff into it.

As for Ambha talking about Brian not doing anything without others getting involved, I'm sure that's true. Al himself wasn't allowed to talk to Brian for several years, either by phone or even in person, at the Hawthorne monument dedication. I'm sure Mike can't just pick up the phone and talk to Brian. Heck, Brian has other people who were once close to him who can no longer reach him, including David Leaf and Van Dyke Parks. They may have Brian's number and if they call, Brian's answering machine screens all calls and they never get called back, or perhaps Brian "isn't in" and never returns their calls. To people who know Brian's past, it may seem like shades of what went on in his past. However, in Brian's "people's" defense, it could well be Brian's choice not to return phone calls, be they from Van Dyke Parks or Mike Love. Just like as regular people sometimes don't return phone calls to people they're not "in the mood" to hear from.

[Mikie]

You guys can't do a damn thing about what someone posts on their own social media anymore than you can control what asshole cuts you off in traffic.

Middle finger or verbal assaults no longer work. I have a real nice Louisville Slugger 36" baseball bat (solid ash) in the back seat of my car for assholes in traffic. Sounds fantastic (better than an aluminum bat or golf club) when it impacts glass!

As for Facebook? You can make snide comments with dirty graphics for all to see, then un-friend them. Never had to do it, but it's an option.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Also: suggesting that Ambha should not even be allowed to publish such statements on a public forum is likely to just stir the fire since she has how many decades of Mike bashing to point to? I mean just the amount of social media Mike bashing is absolutely staggering. Nor can I remember a single Mike fan (yes we do exist) ever suggesting that Mike bashers should not even be allowed to put their feelings out there in cyber-land. We should be wary of what such suggestions might someday lead to.... I suggest trying on the sort of thick skin Mike fans (and most "Beach Boys" fans) have to endlessly wear. It might be heavily informative.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

You guys can't do a damn thing about what someone posts on their own social media anymore than you can control what asshole cuts you off in traffic.

Middle finger or verbal assaults no longer work. I have a real nice Louisville Slugger 36" baseball bat (solid ash) in the back seat of my car for assholes in traffic. Sounds fantastic (better than an aluminum bat or golf club) when it impacts glass!

As for Facebook? You can make snide comments with dirty graphics for all to see, then un-friend them. Never had to do it, but it's an option.

But see: doesn't that make you much worse than an asshole who merely cuts someone off? Going around smashing windshields and rampaging with a bat? .... This is why things will likely never improve.

[HeyJude]

Also: suggesting that Ambha should not even be allowed to publish such statements on a public forum is likely to just stir the fire since she has how many decades of Mike bashing to point to? I mean just the amount of social media Mike bashing is absolutely staggering. Nor can I remember a single Mike fan (yes we do exist) ever suggesting that Mike bashers should not even be allowed to put their feelings out there in cyber-land. We should be wary of what such suggestions might someday lead to.... I suggest trying on the sort of thick skin Mike fans (and most "Beach Boys" fans) have to endlessly wear. It might be heavily informative.

I may have missed an instance of somebody saying one "shouldn't be allowed" to post something, but I think most folks are suggesting simply that it might, and I stress might, not be a good idea for about a hundred reasons.

Someone who has been on the internet since the 90s might be able to tell a youngin' that saying something totally subjective like "so and so is not an a-hole" isn't going to accomplish anything other than perhaps provide some sort of catharsis for the person posting it. Nobody whose opinion matters will have their minds changed.

[Mikie]

You guys can't do a damn thing about what someone posts on their own social media anymore than you can control what asshole cuts you off in traffic.

Middle finger or verbal assaults no longer work. I have a real nice Louisville Slugger 36" baseball bat (solid ash) in the back seat of my car for assholes in traffic. Sounds fantastic (better than an aluminum bat or golf club) when it impacts glass!

As for Facebook? You can make snide comments with dirty graphics for all to see, then un-friend them. Never had to do it, but it's an option.

But see: doesn't that make you much worse than an asshole who merely cuts someone off? Going around smashing windshields and rampaging with a bat? .... This is why things will likely never improve.

Didn't say I was the aggressor. I never cut people off. Just defending myself against other assholes and roadragers, that's all.  Like I do on this board....

[Wirestone]

If Brian Wilson sent Mike Love an e-mail that said no more shows, then the end of the tour is because of Brian Wilson and no one else.
  

And no one has ever said anything in haste or changed their minds before? If Brian Wilson tells you one day he is done with touring and the next day asks when you're booking more shows, which request do you honor?

The "no more shows" business smells like a red herring to me.

[Rocker]

Re: family ties


From facebook:



Sunday we got to play in our hometown of Los Angeles, Ca. at the LA Arboretum. LA shows are always extra special for two reasons. First, So-Cal is where it all started. Our first record on the radio, our first live appearance, our first fans some of which were in our audience the other night. The second is family and friends. For starters I got to dance Surfer Girl with my beautiful daughter Ambha and Kokomo with my wife Jacquelyne. I had such a wonderful visit with Marilyn Wilson who was there from the start! Cousin Carl's wife Annie and Dennis' wife Barbara also came by with her son Michael and his beautiful newborn! Backstage was filled with lifelong friends too. Billy Hinsche stopped by as did Johnny Tillotsen and Michael Lloyd. Topping it off, my pal Wink Martindale who introduced us to Los Angeles by spinning Surfin on the radio for the first time introduced us again to the over capacity crowd. Now it's off to the UK to rock Hampton Court tonight and tomorrow!

Peace and Love, ML

[Lowbacca]

Re: family ties


From facebook:



Sunday we got to play in our hometown of Los Angeles, Ca. at the LA Arboretum. LA shows are always extra special for two reasons. First, So-Cal is where it all started. Our first record on the radio, our first live appearance, our first fans some of which were in our audience the other night. The second is family and friends. For starters I got to dance Surfer Girl with my beautiful daughter Ambha and Kokomo with my wife Jacquelyne. I had such a wonderful visit with Marilyn Wilson who was there from the start! Cousin Carl's wife Annie and Dennis' wife Barbara also came by with her son Michael and his beautiful newborn! Backstage was filled with lifelong friends too. Billy Hinsche stopped by as did Johnny Tillotsen and Michael Lloyd. Topping it off, my pal Wink Martindale who introduced us to Los Angeles by spinning Surfin on the radio for the first time introduced us again to the over capacity crowd. Now it's off to the UK to rock Hampton Court tonight and tomorrow!

Peace and Love, ML

I must say, I've come to enjoy Mike's own messages on Facebook. Interesting. Insightful.

There's also a picture with him and Marilyn on Facebook, from the message Rocker quoted.

[Sheriff John Stone]

Ambha Love hasn't exactly led a sheltered life. She might be more sophisticated than most 18 year-olds. And, because her grammar might not be the best, I'm not about to dismiss her opinions or proclamations. And, we're not talking about rocket science here. I think she is capable of reading an email, understanding an email, and accurately relaying what the email said. Whether you believe her or not is another issue. Both Ambha and her father, based on THEIR INFORMATION, have now stated that Brian intimated - in some way - that he wanted the tour to end. To me that's critical because what Brian and hiswifeandmanagers want, they usually get. Either you believe Ambha and Mike, or you don't. If you don't, then you are basically saying that they are lying. And, nobody called out Mike for lying. We'll see about Ambha.

That being said, I agree that this is all terribly sad. Embarrassing and sad. I wish they would ALL cease and desist with this airing of dirty laundry in public. It doesn't accomplish anything positive. Let us here on the Smiley Smile message board fight it out for them! That's what we do best.

We are also experiencing something that we all have in common with The Beach Boys, and there ain't much. Whether we like it or not, children inherit many things from their parents. It might just take several years until it surfaces. I know this Ambha thing is just one instance, but do you get the feeling that this next Beach Boys' generation might go down a similar path as their parents? Eventually?

[Wirestone]

I do think it's funny that after talking for pages and pages about Al changing his mind, it seems to be beyond some people's powers of imagination to consider that Brian might have changed his own mind in this case.

[Nicko1234]

Ambha Love`s comments about the C50 don`t really tell us anything new and I find it slightly ironic that people are trying to judge her as a person for her Facebook posts. God knows what people would think of us as individuals based on some of the stuff we have contributed here. 

Be interesting to see what Mike has to say about Al`s no-show...

[Foster's Freeze]

Re: family ties


From facebook:



Sunday we got to play in our hometown of Los Angeles, Ca. at the LA Arboretum. LA shows are always extra special for two reasons. First, So-Cal is where it all started. Our first record on the radio, our first live appearance, our first fans some of which were in our audience the other night. The second is family and friends. For starters I got to dance Surfer Girl with my beautiful daughter Ambha and Kokomo with my wife Jacquelyne. I had such a wonderful visit with Marilyn Wilson who was there from the start! Cousin Carl's wife Annie and Dennis' wife Barbara also came by with her son Michael and his beautiful newborn! Backstage was filled with lifelong friends too. Billy Hinsche stopped by as did Johnny Tillotsen and Michael Lloyd. Topping it off, my pal Wink Martindale who introduced us to Los Angeles by spinning Surfin on the radio for the first time introduced us again to the over capacity crowd. Now it's off to the UK to rock Hampton Court tonight and tomorrow!

Peace and Love, ML

In a funny way it's almost as if Mike is saying in his post "look at everyone in the Beach Boys family that has my back!" LOL 

[southbay]

I miss these guys.

Yep, the Summer of 2012 was great. I think I'll just choose to think about that.

[Pretty Funky]

If Brian Wilson sent Mike Love an e-mail that said no more shows, then the end of the tour is because of Brian Wilson and no one else.
   

Highly unlikely Brian sent an email. Those that are around him would have made the decision and to be honest, whether we agree or not, they are the most qualified to make a judgement call.

[urbanite]

Whether it was him or someone acting on his behalf, if an e-mail was sent that said no more shows, then that's it.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Whether it was him or someone acting on his behalf, if an e-mail was sent that said no more shows, then that's it.

So then Brian says "It feels like I've been fired"?

Then Al commits (according to the internet at least) to a show with Mike and then backs out last minute with no explanation other than being sad that Live Nation did the inviting?

Something stinks here.

[Shady]

Whether it was him or someone acting on his behalf, if an e-mail was sent that said no more shows, then that's it.

So then Brian says "It feels like I've been fired"?

Then Al commits (according to the internet at least) to a show with Mike and then backs out last minute with no explanation other than being sad that Live Nation did the inviting?

Something stinks here.

Indeed

At one point I got a kick out of it but I honestly no longer do.

These guys know how to waste precious time

[SMiLE Brian]

Whether it was him or someone acting on his behalf, if an e-mail was sent that said no more shows, then that's it.

So then Brian says "It feels like I've been fired"?

Then Al commits (according to the internet at least) to a show with Mike and then backs out last minute with no explanation other than being sad that Live Nation did the inviting?

Something stinks here.

get M&B to make an album.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Whether it was him or someone acting on his behalf, if an e-mail was sent that said no more shows, then that's it.

So then Brian says "It feels like I've been fired"?

Then Al commits (according to the internet at least) to a show with Mike and then backs out last minute with no explanation other than being sad that Live Nation did the inviting?

Something stinks here.

get M&B to make an album.

Pipeline 2015 with Mike rapping over it?

I'll take it 


Ya know: F these guys!!!!

I think I'll stick to POB and Youngblood for a while.....

[Wirestone]

Whether it was him or someone acting on his behalf, if an e-mail was sent that said no more shows, then that's it.

Utter rot.

No one has the right or ability to change his or her mind? Or is it just Brian Wilson, and in a context that might make Mike look bad?

[DonnyL]

I often get the feeling that if Dennis were still alive, he'd still be in the touring Beach Boys.