Ouch!....Al Opens Up Again.

[Shady]

Al is certainly bitter, isn't he?

The 50th Anniversary Tour had a set end date; people need to get over it and move on. Don't want to see the Mike and Bruce show? Don't see it. Go see Brian, Al, and David (and possibly Blondie).

Let's just all accept that Mike Love and Bruce Johnston should go around the world calling themselves "The Beach Boys"

Personally I don't find that easy to accept

[Jason]

I don't think they should be called "The Beach Boys" without Dennis.

[KittyKat]

I don't understand people who hate Mike and Bruce being disappointed that they went their separate way. Aren't you glad you don't have to hear them?  You also can't force people to get along. I think the license issue has been discussed into the ground. In any case, I'm not sure why anyone would want more "Spring Vacation" types songs that another BB album would inevitably bring.

[hypehat]

I don't understand people who hate Mike and Bruce being disappointed that they went their separate way. Aren't you glad you don't have to hear them?  You also can't force people to get along. I think the license issue has been discussed into the ground. In any case, I'm not sure why anyone would want more "Spring Vacation" types songs that another BB album would inevitably bring.

I want to hear all of them! The issue isn't that I don't want to hear Mike, the issue is I want to hear Mike, Brian, Al, David, Bruce (and Blondie on certain dates). As do the public, cos they sent a Beach Boys album to #3. I don't want to hear two separate bands doing the same thing at a lesser level and not making records. I mean, Brian's making a Beach Boys album in all but name right now!


(obligatory 'Brian wrote the crap bits of Spring Vacation' disclaimer)

[Mike's Beard]

Al should let it go because he's the best one off of any of them. He can still sing pretty close to the way he was when he was young, or at least better than Brian and Mike. He participated in a recording with Bono.. 

I was agreeing with you up until this.

[smilethebeachboysloveyou]

I don't understand people who hate Mike and Bruce being disappointed that they went their separate way. Aren't you glad you don't have to hear them?  You also can't force people to get along. I think the license issue has been discussed into the ground. In any case, I'm not sure why anyone would want more "Spring Vacation" types songs that another BB album would inevitably bring.

I want to hear all of them! The issue isn't that I don't want to hear Mike, the issue is I want to hear Mike, Brian, Al, David, Bruce (and Blondie on certain dates). As do the public, cos they sent a Beach Boys album to #3. I don't want to hear two separate bands doing the same thing at a lesser level and not making records. I mean, Brian's making a Beach Boys album in all but name right now!


(obligatory 'Brian wrote the crap bits of Spring Vacation' disclaimer)

The solution is clear: what those of us who want to see all of the surviving Beach Boys performing together again (and I count myself among those) need to do is see both groups and then find a brain surgeon who can combine our memories of the two shows together so that we remember them as a single show.

[Mikie]

Al is certainly bitter, isn't he?

The 50th Anniversary Tour had a set end date; people need to get over it and move on. Don't want to see the Mike and Bruce show? Don't see it. Go see Brian, Al, and David (and possibly Blondie).

Yeah but some people won't get over it and that is okay too.  The fact that this new Brian Wilson album should've been the second Beach Boys album since the reunion is enough to make some fans myself included very angry.  It doesn't mean we won't support the band but we have a right to retain our anger if that is our predisposition.  

Naaaaah, see, it's been driven into the ground about 50 times already and it's real boring. This horse has been beaten to death over and over again. How long does it take to vent your frustration? It's funny how the same people lay low and become lurkers for awhile but invariably, as soon as the subject concerning the end of the C50 comes up, they  come out of the woodwork and put in their 10 cents. They can't resist the temptation! Like approaching it from one more angle might convince the Beach Boys or change anyone's mind. It's hilarious (and did I say boring?).  

[Mikie]

The 50th Anniversary Tour had a set end date; people need to get over it and move on. 

Post-o-the-week!

[SurfRiderHawaii]

The 50th Anniversary Tour had a set end date; people need to get over it and move on.  

Post-o-the-week!

Not! I vote for the OSD "I kinda miss the old bastard".

I think the FINAL break-up of the band we are fanatics about and the subject of this board is fair game. After allk people are still rehashing Smile after 46 years. The C50 ended last year.  Keeps coming up in seemingly every Mike and Al interview......

[Jim V.]

Al is certainly bitter, isn't he?

The 50th Anniversary Tour had a set end date; people need to get over it and move on. Don't want to see the Mike and Bruce show? Don't see it. Go see Brian, Al, and David (and possibly Blondie).

Yeah but some people won't get over it and that is okay too.  The fact that this new Brian Wilson album should've been the second Beach Boys album since the reunion is enough to make some fans myself included very angry.  It doesn't mean we won't support the band but we have a right to retain our anger if that is our predisposition.  

Naaaaah, see, it's been driven into the ground about 50 times already and it's real boring. This horse has been beaten to death over and over again. How long does it take to vent your frustration? It's funny how the same people lay low and become lurkers for awhile but invariably, as soon as the subject concerning the end of the C50 comes up, they  come out of the woodwork and put in their 10 cents. They can't resist the temptation! Like approaching it from one more angle might convince the Beach Boys or change anyone's mind. It's hilarious (and did I say boring?).  

This bothers you, yet you have defended Cam Mott, who pretty much exclusively only participates in discussions about either the death of SMiLE and Mike's role in it or Mike not being responsible for this last demise of The Beach Boys in 2012.

[Mikie]

Al is certainly bitter, isn't he?

The 50th Anniversary Tour had a set end date; people need to get over it and move on. Don't want to see the Mike and Bruce show? Don't see it. Go see Brian, Al, and David (and possibly Blondie).

Yeah but some people won't get over it and that is okay too.  The fact that this new Brian Wilson album should've been the second Beach Boys album since the reunion is enough to make some fans myself included very angry.  It doesn't mean we won't support the band but we have a right to retain our anger if that is our predisposition.  

Naaaaah, see, it's been driven into the ground about 50 times already and it's real boring. This horse has been beaten to death over and over again. How long does it take to vent your frustration? It's funny how the same people lay low and become lurkers for awhile but invariably, as soon as the subject concerning the end of the C50 comes up, they  come out of the woodwork and put in their 10 cents. They can't resist the temptation! Like approaching it from one more angle might convince the Beach Boys or change anyone's mind. It's hilarious (and did I say boring?).  

This bothers you, yet you have defended Cam Mott, who pretty much exclusively only participates in discussions about either the death of SMiLE and Mike's role in it or Mike not being responsible for this last demise of The Beach Boys in 2012.

Cameron Mott thinks and speaks for himself - he doesn't need me or anyone else to defend him. Cam Mott's been around these boards since the days of the 56K dial-up modem and the inception of the Internet, and was a Beach Boys fan many, many years before that. I agree with much of the stuff he posts and disagree a little with other stuff. He's stubborn like a mule, and usually doesn't waver in his position on things Beach Boys (ask HeyJude). I respect him for his extensive research and knowledge of Smile and his vast knowledge of Mike Love's lawsuit procedings against Brian concerning Sea Of Tunes residuals. I don't have any issues with Cam as I don't with most of the people on this board. But I'm sure he'll be reading your disenchanting post about him and will respond accordingly. Or not.

[Jim V.]

Al is certainly bitter, isn't he?

The 50th Anniversary Tour had a set end date; people need to get over it and move on. Don't want to see the Mike and Bruce show? Don't see it. Go see Brian, Al, and David (and possibly Blondie).

Yeah but some people won't get over it and that is okay too.  The fact that this new Brian Wilson album should've been the second Beach Boys album since the reunion is enough to make some fans myself included very angry.  It doesn't mean we won't support the band but we have a right to retain our anger if that is our predisposition.  

Naaaaah, see, it's been driven into the ground about 50 times already and it's real boring. This horse has been beaten to death over and over again. How long does it take to vent your frustration? It's funny how the same people lay low and become lurkers for awhile but invariably, as soon as the subject concerning the end of the C50 comes up, they  come out of the woodwork and put in their 10 cents. They can't resist the temptation! Like approaching it from one more angle might convince the Beach Boys or change anyone's mind. It's hilarious (and did I say boring?).  

This bothers you, yet you have defended Cam Mott, who pretty much exclusively only participates in discussions about either the death of SMiLE and Mike's role in it or Mike not being responsible for this last demise of The Beach Boys in 2012.

Cameron Mott thinks and speaks for himself - he doesn't need me or anyone else to defend him. Cam Mott's been around these boards since the days of the 58K dial-up modem and the inception of the Internet, and was a Beach Boys fan many, many years before that. I agree with much of the stuff he posts and disagree a little with other stuff. He's stubborn like a mule, and usually doesn't waver in his position on things Beach Boys (ask HeyJude). I respect him for his extensive research and knowledge of Smile and his vast knowledge of Mike Love's lawsuit procedings against Brian concerning Sea Of Tunes residuals. I don't have any issues with Cam as I don't with most of the people on this board. But I'm sure he'll be reading your disenchanting post about him and will respond accordingly. Or not.

So he's worth standing up for, but all these other people, they can't think for themselves, huh? Really. You know that for a fact. Smells like bullshit to me.

[Mikie]

I never said that other people here can't think for themselves. So don't bother putting words in my mouth and turning and twisting things around to your liking. If you think it's bullshit, you're entitled to your opinion. Dudn't really matter to me one way or the other, Sourdudejim. I know that for a fact. 

[Andrew G. Doe]

And I thought people had retired the set end date canard. Even AGD admits that Mike put the kibosh on the whole thing, and that the other parties wanted to continue.

I did ? Damn, the short-term memory loss is worsening - care to remind me of where and when I said that, please ?

[Lonely Summer]

I don't understand people who hate Mike and Bruce being disappointed that they went their separate way. Aren't you glad you don't have to hear them?  You also can't force people to get along. I think the license issue has been discussed into the ground. In any case, I'm not sure why anyone would want more "Spring Vacation" types songs that another BB album would inevitably bring.

I want to hear all of them! The issue isn't that I don't want to hear Mike, the issue is I want to hear Mike, Brian, Al, David, Bruce (and Blondie on certain dates). As do the public, cos they sent a Beach Boys album to #3. I don't want to hear two separate bands doing the same thing at a lesser level and not making records. I mean, Brian's making a Beach Boys album in all but name right now!


(obligatory 'Brian wrote the crap bits of Spring Vacation' disclaimer)

The solution is clear: what those of us who want to see all of the surviving Beach Boys performing together again (and I count myself among those) need to do is see both groups and then find a brain surgeon who can combine our memories of the two shows together so that we remember them as a single show.

No, THIS is the post of the week!

[Disney Boy (1985)]

Actually the one guy in all this who always acts as a gent is David Marks. No backbiting from him and he stood to lose a lot more than Al with the C50 ending.

Absolutely.  I don't know the full details of Al's relationship with Mike on the C50 tour or whether he was somehow led to believe that the C50 lineup would continue, so I can't say whether his bitterness is justified or not.  Still, he does not come off well when he refers to Mike that way, especially since Mike has avoided saying anything critical of Al since the end of the C50 tour as far as I can remember.

David Marks may seem like the nicest guy - and I'm not disputing that he is - but, let's be fair, we didn't hear anything from or about him in over four decades. The others have all been granted lots more opportunity to make idiots of themselves in public....

[runnersdialzero]

i heard david used to smoke cigarettes and once called another man a "nitwit" durng a heated argument

[Cam Mott]

Al is certainly bitter, isn't he?

The 50th Anniversary Tour had a set end date; people need to get over it and move on. Don't want to see the Mike and Bruce show? Don't see it. Go see Brian, Al, and David (and possibly Blondie).

Yeah but some people won't get over it and that is okay too.  The fact that this new Brian Wilson album should've been the second Beach Boys album since the reunion is enough to make some fans myself included very angry.  It doesn't mean we won't support the band but we have a right to retain our anger if that is our predisposition.  

Naaaaah, see, it's been driven into the ground about 50 times already and it's real boring. This horse has been beaten to death over and over again. How long does it take to vent your frustration? It's funny how the same people lay low and become lurkers for awhile but invariably, as soon as the subject concerning the end of the C50 comes up, they  come out of the woodwork and put in their 10 cents. They can't resist the temptation! Like approaching it from one more angle might convince the Beach Boys or change anyone's mind. It's hilarious (and did I say boring?).  

This bothers you, yet you have defended Cam Mott, who pretty much exclusively only participates in discussions about either the death of SMiLE and Mike's role in it or Mike not being responsible for this last demise of The Beach Boys in 2012.

Did I miss one? You are right that I'm not much into arguing with other people's musical tastes.

[Cam Mott]

Cam Mott's been around these boards since the days of the 58K dial-up modem and the inception of the Internet, and was a Beach Boys fan many, many years before that. I agree with much of the stuff he posts and disagree a little with other stuff. He's stubborn like a mule,

Somebody's gonna get a big smmmmooooch.

[2 and a half]

You think this is tough? You should try being a Bucks Fizz fan.

Haha! Good one

[JohnMill]

Al is certainly bitter, isn't he?

The 50th Anniversary Tour had a set end date; people need to get over it and move on. Don't want to see the Mike and Bruce show? Don't see it. Go see Brian, Al, and David (and possibly Blondie).

Yeah but some people won't get over it and that is okay too.  The fact that this new Brian Wilson album should've been the second Beach Boys album since the reunion is enough to make some fans myself included very angry.  It doesn't mean we won't support the band but we have a right to retain our anger if that is our predisposition.  

Naaaaah, see, it's been driven into the ground about 50 times already and it's real boring. This horse has been beaten to death over and over again. How long does it take to vent your frustration? It's funny how the same people lay low and become lurkers for awhile but invariably, as soon as the subject concerning the end of the C50 comes up, they  come out of the woodwork and put in their 10 cents. They can't resist the temptation! Like approaching it from one more angle might convince the Beach Boys or change anyone's mind. It's hilarious (and did I say boring?).  

To tell you the truth, some of us actually have lives outside of this message board and can't be bothered checking in more than once or twice a week.  That is the long and the short of it with me anyhow.  I have my viewpoint am entitled to it and will continue to espouse it.  It has nothing to do with lurking or anything you insinuate, in fact quite the opposite as my life does not revolve around this band nor do I obsess about things over which I have no control.  Unhappy about it?  Yes I most certainly am that.  But beyond that?  I could care less honestly.

[Mikie]

My life does not revolve around this band nor do I obsess about things over which I have no control.  Unhappy about it?  Yes I most certainly am that.  But beyond that?  I could care less honestly.

But.........the way I see it, you are indeed obsessing about things for which you have no control.  Right here on this very message board, concerning the end of the Beach Boys C50 tour. And I think you do care, otherwise you wouldn't keep espousing on it.

And that's fine.  We're all of course entitled to our opinions and viewpoints here.  Carry on, chap!

[JohnMill]

My life does not revolve around this band nor do I obsess about things over which I have no control.  Unhappy about it?  Yes I most certainly am that.  But beyond that?  I could care less honestly.

But.........the way I see it, you are indeed obsessing about things for which you have no control.  Right here on this very message board, concerning the end of the Beach Boys C50 tour. And I think you do care, otherwise you wouldn't keep espousing on it.

And that's fine.  We're all of course entitled to our opinions and viewpoints here.  Carry on, chap!

See I don't see it that way.  To me obsessing would be equivalent to starting new threads on a regular basis about one particular topic.  Now have I in the past posted links to recent articles where one or more members of The Beach Boys speak about the end of the C50?  Indeed I have.  But that is one of the purposes of a message board, posting relevant news for other fans to read.

I've accepted the fact that the C50 lineup is probably never getting back together again for the exact same reasons AGD mentioned perhaps in this thread because there were just too many compromises necessary to facilitate the reunion the first time around.  Maybe money will eventually talk and change some minds but even that is doubtful.  As a fan right now I don't know where I am with this band.  I have most (if not all) of their catalog, will likely continue to buy archival releases in the future but can honestly also say that I'm not as high on them as I was prior to and during the C50.   The aftermath of the C50 really bummed me out to the point where I can honestly care less about what the individual band members are doing with their lives right now.  To me both M&B and BAD are poor man's versions of "The Beach Boys" and unless Brian Wilson releases a real stunner of a record next year I'll probably save my money to go and see someone else.

What I don't need at the moment (or quite frankly at any time) is some petty marionette constantly chiding and backbiting towards me for expressing how I feel.  The truth of it is, my prediction is at some point I'll just walk away from this message board entirely and that will be the end of my hardcore fandom regarding The Beach Boys.  No I won't be putting up my collection for sale at a yard sale anytime soon but a big part of who I was as a Beach Boys fan died with the end of the C50.  Maybe it's because for a band that is supposed to be all about family, proved at least in my eyes to be anything but. 

So while we all are entitled to our opinions and viewpoints it just seems to me that the whole fucking thing doesn't even matter anymore.  At the heart of things I guess what has happened is I got pissed off to the point of apathy.  I come back here every once and awhile mainly to check The Beatles thread or see what guitarfool has posted but beyond that the whole fucking thing to me is just sad.  I'd rather embrace and support bands that you know are still together.  Unfortunately the band that for a long time meant so much to me personally no longer qualifies in that regard.  So you maybe f*** it all should be my final word on the matter, at least I hope it is.

[SMiLE Brian]

Good points John Mill, the C50 blowup still eats at me as well.

I honestly find some fan aspects of the BBs community to less than charming at times. I call for civility and respect on boards like SS.

[Cam Mott]

People could look at it as getting 150% of a 50th Anniversary reunion and be extra grateful while hopeful for more at some point.