"I Was Made to Love Her" on Wild Honey and Carol Kaye's claims

[Mr. Wilson]

What about The Standells story..??Like to read it..Had most of their LP'S + played their songs in my band in High School..Also The Raiders were faves back then..Both kinda punk for their day..!!

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

Also, about Carol--

She was very nice to me as well, basically wrote a book to me about recording bass in the mid 60s that was great.  But once I asked her about a credit, boom, I was banned.

She just has that sore spot, but yeah, she can be very helpful, which is why it is frustrating.  With so few WC members left in this world, it is nice to get in as many remembrances as we can.

[Jon Stebbins]

There's a fresh Carol Kaye thread on Brian's board where they are calling out us "historian types" for doubting poor Carol. Facts are such a problem for sheep when they don't fit the established myth.

[SMiLE Brian]

There's a fresh Carol Kaye thread on Brian's board where they are calling out us "historian types" for doubting poor Carol. Facts are such a problem for sheep when they don't fit the established myth.

Blueboarders need to accept the fine work beach boys historians like you and AGD have done in breaking the Myths.

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Anyone here watch Jeopardy?  They had a 'Wrecking Crew' category a couple nights ago.  The BBs, CK and Hal B. all made it into the questions.
http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=3770

I wonder if Carol wrote a nasty letter to Alex Trabek about that?  "Alex, we were NOT called the Wrecking Crew.  You are a sad case."

[guitarfool2002]

OK...I asked Bruce who played the Motown-style bass on the BBs' version of IWMTLH, and without prompting from me, his answer was:
Ron Brown.

Thought so! Very nice to see that confirmed after years of discussion and guessing. No one else in the core band played bass that way.

[guitarfool2002]

Does anyone know when they started getting called that?  Did it start with Hal Blaine's book in the 1990's?  Did Hal coin it himself, or did he refer in his book as to why he used that name, or did someone he worked with coin the phrase?

It's all Hal. I remember when he came to a Beach boys convention in Oakland and gave a talk and signed books for the fans. He said that he came up with "Wrecking Crew" because he believed that the older studio musicians were thinking that he and other young studio musicians were going to wreck the music industry.

What year was that? The name was around in the 80's, I do know that, and it was credited to Hal. The term "Wrecking Crew" isn't used as much, but back in the day it referred to either the demolition workers who would tear down a building before new construction would start, or any person or group who was called in to clean house.

[Dave Modny]

Does anyone know when they started getting called that?  Did it start with Hal Blaine's book in the 1990's?  Did Hal coin it himself, or did he refer in his book as to why he used that name, or did someone he worked with coin the phrase?

It's all Hal. I remember when he came to a Beach boys convention in Oakland and gave a talk and signed books for the fans. He said that he came up with "Wrecking Crew" because he believed that the older studio musicians were thinking that he and other young studio musicians were going to wreck the music industry.

What year was that? The name was around in the 80's, I do know that, and it was credited to Hal. The term "Wrecking Crew" isn't used as much, but back in the day it referred to either the demolition workers who would tear down a building before new construction would start, or any person or group who was called in to clean house.

A quick Google search shows a Blaine reference to the term, quoted in a book, as early as 1977.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22wrecking+crew%22+blaine&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UanZTtanLsbMtgfZwqH3Bg&ved=0CBcQpwUoBA&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1962%2Ccd_max%3A1%2F1%2F1986&tbm=bks

[guitarfool2002]

Does anyone know when they started getting called that?  Did it start with Hal Blaine's book in the 1990's?  Did Hal coin it himself, or did he refer in his book as to why he used that name, or did someone he worked with coin the phrase?

It's all Hal. I remember when he came to a Beach boys convention in Oakland and gave a talk and signed books for the fans. He said that he came up with "Wrecking Crew" because he believed that the older studio musicians were thinking that he and other young studio musicians were going to wreck the music industry.

What year was that? The name was around in the 80's, I do know that, and it was credited to Hal. The term "Wrecking Crew" isn't used as much, but back in the day it referred to either the demolition workers who would tear down a building before new construction would start, or any person or group who was called in to clean house.

A quick Google search shows a Blaine reference to the term, quoted in a book, as early as 1977.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22wrecking+crew%22+blaine&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UanZTtanLsbMtgfZwqH3Bg&ved=0CBcQpwUoBA&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1962%2Ccd_max%3A1%2F1%2F1986&tbm=bks

Nice find! And a few entries down the page is a Modern Drummer piece from 1982 where Hal mentions "some people called us the Wrecking Crew..." or something similar, suggesting maybe Hal wasn't the first to use it but he got it from someone else back in the day. Yet more often I've seen Hal get the credit for the nickname.

[DonnyL]

Different people have different sensitivities, and these kinds of interactions can be handled more delicately and diplomatically.  

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I suspect the name was inspired by the Dean Martin movie title, since they played on his records.  It also is suggestive of the kind of sound they made when they played those big Spector sessions.

[Mikie]

Guitarfool, "Wrecking Crew" has been around for years and years, DECADES before the 80's. The wrecking crew used a wrecking ball to knock down old buildings and stuff. They still do I think, but most do it with more precision, using dynamite and other explosives. Hal just used that term to kind of dramatically describe the young rock & rollers coming in and 'wrecking' the music business.

The question of Hal that I always liked - Hal always answered it pretty much the same way:

Q: Was Dennis Wilson's ego bruised - was he jealous that you played on Beach Boys records?

A: Dennis loved it. He was driving in his car or hanging out on his boat while I was making records and I was earning $35 in the afternoon, he was making $3,500 or $35,000 that night onstage.

[stack-o-tracks]

Guitarfool, "Wrecking Crew" has been around for years and years, DECADES before the 80's. The wrecking crew used a wrecking ball to knock down old buildings and stuff. They still do I think, but most do it with more precision, using dynamite and other explosives. Hal just used that term to kind of dramatically describe the young rock & rollers coming in and 'wrecking' the music business.

The question of Hal that I always liked - Hal always answered it pretty much the same way:

Q: Was Dennis Wilson's ego bruised - was he jealous that you played on Beach Boys records?

A: Dennis loved it. He was driving in his car or hanging out on his boat while I was making records and I was earning $35 in the afternoon, he was making $3,500 or $35,000 that night onstage.

Never heard that quote. Funny stuff.

[guitarfool2002]

Guitarfool, "Wrecking Crew" has been around for years and years, DECADES before the 80's. The wrecking crew used a wrecking ball to knock down old buildings and stuff. They still do I think, but most do it with more precision, using dynamite and other explosives. Hal just used that term to kind of dramatically describe the young rock & rollers coming in and 'wrecking' the music business.

I know what an actual wrecking crew is, I already posted that above, "back in the day" meaning well before the 80's. I mentioned the 80's because that is the earliest *I Personally* remember seeing that term relating to the musicians who played for Spector, and it was in an article about a Spector reissue in the 80's, probably in Goldmine since I used to read it back then. Now an article from '77 mentions it with Hal, as does Modern Drummer in '82 where Hal suggests someone else gave them that name.

I didn't just fall off the turnip truck.
Or maybe I did and I don't realize it yet...

[stack-o-tracks]

So wait if there was no "Wrecking Crew," if I decided to name my band that.... You don't think Carol Kaye would write me an angry email do you? God forbid I be labeled a thief and a pirate. That would be devastating to me.

[Andrew G. Doe]

There's a fresh Carol Kaye thread on Brian's board where they are calling out us "historian types" for doubting poor Carol. Facts are such a problem for sheep when they don't fit the established myth.

Really ? I finally bailed there recently because I couldn't stand the luminous stupidity of certain posters any more. Guess they'll be burning our books soon, Jon... 

[SMiLE Brian]

There's a fresh Carol Kaye thread on Brian's board where they are calling out us "historian types" for doubting poor Carol. Facts are such a problem for sheep when they don't fit the established myth.

Really ? I finally bailed there recently because I couldn't stand the luminous stupidity of certain posters any more. Guess they'll be burning our books soon, Jon... 

Last people to burn books like that were those pesky nazi germans.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Different people have different sensitivities, and these kinds of interactions can be handled more delicately and diplomatically.  

Like calling someone a liar and a thief for no other reason than pointing out that your recollection is wrong ? Very delicate, most diplomatic. Why do you think her name won't make it past the Bloo filter, hmmmmmmm ?  

Also: http://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=carol+kaye

[Andrew G. Doe]

There's a fresh Carol Kaye thread on Brian's board where they are calling out us "historian types" for doubting poor Carol. Facts are such a problem for sheep when they don't fit the established myth.

Really ? I finally bailed there recently because I couldn't stand the luminous stupidity of certain posters any more. Guess they'll be burning our books soon, Jon... 

Last people to burn books like that were those pesky nazi germans.

Well... they did give us the Beetle. 

[The Heartical Don]

There's a fresh Carol Kaye thread on Brian's board where they are calling out us "historian types" for doubting poor Carol. Facts are such a problem for sheep when they don't fit the established myth.

Really ? I finally bailed there recently because I couldn't stand the luminous stupidity of certain posters any more. Guess they'll be burning our books soon, Jon... 

Last people to burn books like that were those pesky nazi germans.

Well... they did give us the Beetle. 

...and fine beers and Bratwurst...

[Paulos]

This site on Jamerson is interesting regarding Carol stealing credit

http://www.bassland.net/jamerson.html

[hypehat]

Also: http://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=carol+kaye

[Mikie]

That's funny. 

[bgas]

There's a fresh Carol Kaye thread on Brian's board where they are calling out us "historian types" for doubting poor Carol. Facts are such a problem for sheep when they don't fit the established myth.

Really ? I finally bailed there recently because I couldn't stand the luminous stupidity of certain posters any more. Guess they'll be burning our books soon, Jon... 

Last people to burn books like that were those pesky nazi germans.

Well, actually, no. The last people to burn books are generally christian folks who can't stand anything they don't like being printed in books; it happens every few years...

[SMiLE Brian]

There's a fresh Carol Kaye thread on Brian's board where they are calling out us "historian types" for doubting poor Carol. Facts are such a problem for sheep when they don't fit the established myth.

Really ? I finally bailed there recently because I couldn't stand the luminous stupidity of certain posters any more. Guess they'll be burning our books soon, Jon... 

Last people to burn books like that were those pesky nazi germans.

Well, actually, no. The last people to burn books are generally christian folks who can't stand anything they don't like being printed in books; it happens every few years...

Also Beatles LPs over one sarcastic comment from John Lennon about being bigger than Jesus.