Mistakes in two-fer booklets

[Rocker]

Sorry if this has been discussed. I didn't see it or forgot about it.

I was just reading the booklet to "LDC/All summer long" and was wondering if there is any chance that the mistakes in those booklets will ever get corrected for new editions of the two-fers (of course I'd like even better if all albums were released individually). There is stuff like for "Carl's big chance" where the booklet says that Carl is playing on that with studio musicians which of course is not true, it's the boys themselves, except maybe for the saxophones. Unfortunately most people in the outside Beach Boys world think that after "Surfin' USA" the wrecking crew was playing on all BBs records because the boys couldn't do it, and to have such things written in the booklets only hardens that opinion. So any chance that something will happen ? Maybe all the albums will get a new treatment for the anniversary ?
Someone oughta write a book about the Beach Boys' instrumental role of their records. Maybe along the lines of C-Man's great website

[Heysaboda]

Sorry if this has been discussed. I didn't see it or forgot about it.

I was just reading the booklet to "LDC/All summer long" and was wondering if there is any chance that the mistakes in those booklets will ever get corrected for new editions of the two-fers (of course I'd like even better if all albums were released individually). There is stuff like for "Carl's big chance" where the booklet says that Carl is playing on that with studio musicians which of course is not true, it's the boys themselves, except maybe for the saxophones. Unfortunately most people in the outside Beach Boys world think that after "Surfin' USA" the wrecking crew was playing on all BBs records because the boys couldn't do it, and to have such things written in the booklets only hardens that opinion. So any chance that something will happen ? Maybe all the albums will get a new treatment for the anniversary ?
Someone oughta write a book about the Beach Boys' instrumental role of their records. Maybe along the lines of C-Man's great website

Some great points, Rocker.

Could you be so kind as to point me in the direction of C-Man's web site?  Thanks!

[bgas]

Sorry if this has been discussed. I didn't see it or forgot about it.

I was just reading the booklet to "LDC/All summer long" and was wondering if there is any chance that the mistakes in those booklets will ever get corrected for new editions of the two-fers (of course I'd like even better if all albums were released individually). There is stuff like for "Carl's big chance" where the booklet says that Carl is playing on that with studio musicians which of course is not true, it's the boys themselves, except maybe for the saxophones. Unfortunately most people in the outside Beach Boys world think that after "Surfin' USA" the wrecking crew was playing on all BBs records because the boys couldn't do it, and to have such things written in the booklets only hardens that opinion. So any chance that something will happen ? Maybe all the albums will get a new treatment for the anniversary ?
Someone oughta write a book about the Beach Boys' instrumental role of their records. Maybe along the lines of C-Man's great website

Where'd you get release information on new editions of the two-fers?

[joshferrell]

I would rather have mono/stereo releases with singles/b-sides and unreleased stuff instead of re-releasing the twofers

[Ron]

In the two fer liner notes, Brian is quoted as saying something like "We got the guitars to sound just like we wanted them to" when they're talking about "I Can Hear Music", which is credited as a Carl production, and supposedly Brian had nothing to do with it.  So either Brian's lying, or the Beach Boys were lying back in the day. 

[bgas]

In the two fer liner notes, Brian is quoted as saying something like "We got the guitars to sound just like we wanted them to" when they're talking about "I Can Hear Music", which is credited as a Carl production, and supposedly Brian had nothing to do with it.  So either Brian's lying, or the Beach Boys were lying back in the day. 

Or Brian knows what was done and is simply describing it, as he remembers...

[Paulos]

Sorry if this has been discussed. I didn't see it or forgot about it.

I was just reading the booklet to "LDC/All summer long" and was wondering if there is any chance that the mistakes in those booklets will ever get corrected for new editions of the two-fers (of course I'd like even better if all albums were released individually). There is stuff like for "Carl's big chance" where the booklet says that Carl is playing on that with studio musicians which of course is not true, it's the boys themselves, except maybe for the saxophones. Unfortunately most people in the outside Beach Boys world think that after "Surfin' USA" the wrecking crew was playing on all BBs records because the boys couldn't do it, and to have such things written in the booklets only hardens that opinion. So any chance that something will happen ? Maybe all the albums will get a new treatment for the anniversary ?
Someone oughta write a book about the Beach Boys' instrumental role of their records. Maybe along the lines of C-Man's great website

Some great points, Rocker.

Could you be so kind as to point me in the direction of C-Man's web site?  Thanks!

C-mans website - http://beachboysarchives.com/

[The Heartical Don]

I would rather have mono/stereo releases with singles/b-sides and unreleased stuff instead of re-releasing the twofers

Nice idea, pretty ambitious. I'd like to see that realized, but would it be viable commercially? Joe Public is satisfied with the annual summer hits compilation. Your plan would be attractive to us here, and people who resemble us (hopefully there are not that many, we must cultivate our obsessions and others must bake our daily bread and remind us of the beauty of boring normality from time to time).

[MBE]

I would rather have mono/stereo releases with singles/b-sides and unreleased stuff instead of re-releasing the twofers

Nice idea, pretty ambitious. I'd like to see that realized, but would it be viable commercially? Joe Public is satisfied with the annual summer hits compilation. Your plan would be attractive to us here, and people who resemble us (hopefully there are not that many, we must cultivate our obsessions and others must bake our daily bread and remind us of the beauty of boring normality from time to time).

Man they could do double CD's and triple vinyl sets on almost any Beach Boys album through 1980 and they would sell. The 2-fers kind of rob the albums of their own identity and the bare bones issues do nobody any favors either.

[The Shift]

I would rather have mono/stereo releases with singles/b-sides and unreleased stuff instead of re-releasing the twofers

Nice idea, pretty ambitious. I'd like to see that realized, but would it be viable commercially? Joe Public is satisfied with the annual summer hits compilation. Your plan would be attractive to us here, and people who resemble us (hopefully there are not that many, we must cultivate our obsessions and others must bake our daily bread and remind us of the beauty of boring normality from time to time).

Man they could do double CD's and triple vinyl sets on almost any Beach Boys album through 1980 and they would sell. The 2-fers kind of rob the albums of their own identity and the bare bones issues do nobody any favors either.

I agree that the 2-fers detract from the individuality of each album, but they're hardly bare bones issues – you get two albums for the price of one, after all, with a smattering of bonus tracks in the case of the Capitol era.

I know what you're getting at, but the 2-fers are bloody good value.

Doubt they'll re-issue the 2-fers again though given that they've been issued twice.

I'd expect an anniversary box set bringing them all together as, erm, 1-fers, with bonus tracks & discs, sometime next year, when Alan and Mark have recovered from SMiLE.

[The Heartical Don]

I would rather have mono/stereo releases with singles/b-sides and unreleased stuff instead of re-releasing the twofers

Nice idea, pretty ambitious. I'd like to see that realized, but would it be viable commercially? Joe Public is satisfied with the annual summer hits compilation. Your plan would be attractive to us here, and people who resemble us (hopefully there are not that many, we must cultivate our obsessions and others must bake our daily bread and remind us of the beauty of boring normality from time to time).

Man they could do double CD's and triple vinyl sets on almost any Beach Boys album through 1980 and they would sell. The 2-fers kind of rob the albums of their own identity and the bare bones issues do nobody any favors either.

I agree that the 2-fers detract from the individuality of each album, but they're hardly bare bones issues – you get two albums for the price of one, after all, with a smattering of bonus tracks in the case of the Capitol era.

I know what you're getting at, but the 2-fers are bloody good value.

Doubt they'll re-issue the 2-fers again though given that they've been issued twice.

I'd expect an anniversary box set bringing them all together as, erm, 1-fers, with bonus tracks & discs, sometime next year, when Alan and Mark have recovered from SMiLE.

Good call, John. As it is, I am happy with the two-fers. And I stick with my opinion that putting out single-album CDs with bonus stuff would be commercially risky (limited target audience, economic situation, and the horrible decline in good taste with today's youngsters).

[metal flake paint]

There is stuff like for "Carl's big chance" where the booklet says that Carl is playing on that with studio musicians which of course is not true, it's the boys themselves, except maybe for the saxophones.

IIRC the saxophone sound is actually a droning accordion, possibly played by Brian.

[Rocker]

Sorry if this has been discussed. I didn't see it or forgot about it.

I was just reading the booklet to "LDC/All summer long" and was wondering if there is any chance that the mistakes in those booklets will ever get corrected for new editions of the two-fers (of course I'd like even better if all albums were released individually). There is stuff like for "Carl's big chance" where the booklet says that Carl is playing on that with studio musicians which of course is not true, it's the boys themselves, except maybe for the saxophones. Unfortunately most people in the outside Beach Boys world think that after "Surfin' USA" the wrecking crew was playing on all BBs records because the boys couldn't do it, and to have such things written in the booklets only hardens that opinion. So any chance that something will happen ? Maybe all the albums will get a new treatment for the anniversary ?
Someone oughta write a book about the Beach Boys' instrumental role of their records. Maybe along the lines of C-Man's great website

Where'd you get release information on new editions of the two-fers?

No, it was just a thought. there's nothing planed as far as I know. Sorry if my post was misleading.


@heysaboda: As you probably saw Paulos has posted the link. It's a great website. Take a look at it.

IIRC the saxophone sound is actually a droning accordion, possibly played by Brian.

Well, I'd never heard about that. That's really interesting to me. Anyone can shed some more light on it ?

[Micha]

I would rather have mono/stereo releases with singles/b-sides and unreleased stuff instead of re-releasing the twofers

YES!!! Me too!

[Ron]

In the two fer liner notes, Brian is quoted as saying something like "We got the guitars to sound just like we wanted them to" when they're talking about "I Can Hear Music", which is credited as a Carl production, and supposedly Brian had nothing to do with it.  So either Brian's lying, or the Beach Boys were lying back in the day. 

Or Brian knows what was done and is simply describing it, as he remembers...

No, something more sinistar is afoot.  Here's the actual quote, from the Brian credited Liner notes....

"I wanted the instrumental track of “I Can Hear Music” to be smooth and subliminal. I used acoustic guitars. Carl wailed on the lead. His voice was gettin’ established fast in the group. "

[Alex]

Just remember, that liner note essay was written by a "Landified" Brian.

[MBE]

I would rather have mono/stereo releases with singles/b-sides and unreleased stuff instead of re-releasing the twofers

Nice idea, pretty ambitious. I'd like to see that realized, but would it be viable commercially? Joe Public is satisfied with the annual summer hits compilation. Your plan would be attractive to us here, and people who resemble us (hopefully there are not that many, we must cultivate our obsessions and others must bake our daily bread and remind us of the beauty of boring normality from time to time).

Man they could do double CD's and triple vinyl sets on almost any Beach Boys album through 1980 and they would sell. The 2-fers kind of rob the albums of their own identity and the bare bones issues do nobody any favors either.

I agree that the 2-fers detract from the individuality of each album, but they're hardly bare bones issues – you get two albums for the price of one, after all, with a smattering of bonus tracks in the case of the Capitol era.

I know what you're getting at, but the 2-fers are bloody good value.

Doubt they'll re-issue the 2-fers again though given that they've been issued twice.

I'd expect an anniversary box set bringing them all together as, erm, 1-fers, with bonus tracks & discs, sometime next year, when Alan and Mark have recovered from SMiLE.

I was talking about both issues of the 70's CD's and the 1994 Capitol Cd's They had no bonus cuts. The 1994 ones were cool to have on vinyl (rare as hell now and the best way to hear Stack O Tracks on wax) but even then I felt a little ripped that we didn't get the bonus cuts (except on Pet Sounds which makes that vinyl one really rare too).

[Andrew G. Doe]

Just remember, that liner note essay was written by a "Landified" Brian.

Just remember, those liner note intros weren't written by Brian at all.  

[Ian]

Right-in fact some of them have quotes from old Brian interviews-like where he discusses the Pet Sounds album and how he had Dennis sing a special way-this is from a 1966 interview. When he says Pet Sounds is the best album but Friends is his favorite-because he can listen to it any time, etc-that is from the 1970 Radio Pacifica interview, etc

[Micha]

In the two fer liner notes, Brian is quoted as saying something like "We got the guitars to sound just like we wanted them to" when they're talking about "I Can Hear Music", which is credited as a Carl production, and supposedly Brian had nothing to do with it.  So either Brian's lying, or the Beach Boys were lying back in the day. 

Or nobody lied and whoever typed those liner notes just got it wrong.

[hypehat]

Just remember, that liner note essay was written by a "Landified" Brian.

Just remember, those liner note intros weren't written by Brian at all.  

*Raises eyebrow*

[Andrew G. Doe]

Just remember, that liner note essay was written by a "Landified" Brian.

Just remember, those liner note intros weren't written by Brian at all.  

*Raises eyebrow*

I'll qualify: whoever wrote those intros doubtless asked Brian a few questions, salted his responses with a few archive interview comments and then re-wrote it in pretty fair Brianspeak. And evidently, whoever it was didn't know that Brian took no part whasoever in the recording of "ICHM".

[guitarfool2002]

The question needs to be asked, I suppose: How did that make it past the initial editing stage if the folks involved in the projects knew it was false?

It's the same issue I had with things like the Mojo Smile deal, where certain statements are simply wrong - not opinion, not interpretation - but factually wrong. Mojo is a third-party article, however. The Capitol two-fer liner notes were "official".

What gives?

[The Heartical Don]

The question needs to be asked, I suppose: How did that make it past the initial editing stage if the folks involved in the projects knew it was false?

It's the same issue I had with things like the Mojo Smile deal, where certain statements are simply wrong - not opinion, not interpretation - but factually wrong. Mojo is a third-party article, however. The Capitol two-fer liner notes were "official".

What gives?

Good call. These things never cease to surprise (and irritate) me. The two-fers certainly were no budget job (although their price is low). They were intended as a prestigious and authentic re-release of the BBs back catalogue, with the contractual restrictions valid at the time (I am talking 1991 here). Therefore, one may expect fault-free and authoritative notes to come with them.
I am certain that on this board alone there are a dozen or so folks, if not more, who could have done a sterling job there, and probably would have done the copy-editing for free, had they not been the first authors.

But no. Fate has it (as it had in the MOJO material) that for one reason or another, mistakes were allowed to creep in and persist.

[Ron]

I'm just saying it.  No cutesy rolling eyes smileys needed... the topic is "mistakes in two-fer booklets".  In THAT two-fer booklet, to the AVERAGE fan, Brian says he produced the song, and the credits to the song say Carl produced it.  That's a mistake.  I'm not a in the know, rub it in your face AGD'er, I'm just saying if you read the book Brian's lying, or the credits are lying.